Redskins may be without Santana and Portis for Sunday's game

[jeronimobrat]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/01/AR2007100100905.html

A little disturbing, but then again we will see what this offense can do without them.

[stwasm]

And this is where we see whether this team is growing up or not. If we have to go without our horses, are we going to feel sorry for ourselves or are we going to just realize it is what it is a play with the hand we've been dealt?

[PigSkins47]

Man, I hope Caldwell is up to speed now with the playbook...(not too excited about seing thrash in the #1 spot)

[jeronimobrat]

Man, I hope Caldwell is up to speed now with the playbook...(not too excited about seing thrash in the #1 spot)

Neither am I, but this certainly bought a smile to my face because unlike others, I do want to see Caldwell and Lloyd become a bigger part of this offense.

[ThePreciating]

Caldwell and McCardell is a better duo than Moss and Lloyd anyway. It's not that Moss isn't good, it's just Lloyd is really bad.

[DaMuller7]

Neither am I, but this certainly bought a smile to my face because unlike others, I do want to see Caldwell and Lloyd become a bigger part of this offense.


Hey I'm with you on this because I want to see what Lloyd can really bring to the table along with McCardell instead of Caldwell.

[fuji869]

Ugh, that is not good.

Hopefully El, Ladell and the rest can step it up if they do not play. I don't want the Lions to get there first win ever in Old D.C. :yikes:

[Audible_Red40]

Well, not good news, but we'll wait and see.

I have a hard time grasping Thrash as a starter for the game.

[bleach14]

if this is true then hopefully we get to see Lloyd get some passes. Caldwell should have the just of the offense by now and be able to go but I really want to see what, if anything, Lloyd brings to the table. I think Betts has a lot to prove after the NY game so we know he will step up and perform if need be. I'm not too worried, although I was bankin on a big day from Portis this week for my fantasy team...

[Blondie]

I think Ladell can step up.

Sellers could get more carries......Cooley's roll will increase.

El will step in as we have found he can. THIS will be Lloyd's last chance IMHO. If he can't step up......I dont think he will get any more chances.

Although them being out would be a big hit.......I believe our offense can go without it.

[stwasm]

Well, not good news, but we'll wait and see.

I have a hard time grasping Thrash as a starter for the game.

I wouldn't be surprised to see McCardell as the other starter. He practiced yesterday and ran pretty crisp routes. He may not be a "speed-burner," but, as a wiley veteran, he'll know how to get himself open.

[sens11]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/10/01/AR2007100100905.html

A little disturbing, but then again we will see what this offense can do without them.

Injuries are a part of the whole season. They happen.
We have proven guys that can get it done though. Ladell, ARE; Caldwell (hopefully)...

Either way..the injury report hasn't been updated yet.. If I had to bet on it right now, without knowing anything specific... I bet one, if not both, of these guys will play Sunday.

[DGreenistheBest]

Well, we definitely have the talent. Maybe Betts will use this as an opportunity to prove all his naysayers wrong.

[AKM311]

I hope Portis will play. I honestly think we can afford to lose Moss more than Portis.

[TLusby]

I am the biggest Portis fan of all but he needs to be "Old School" and shoot that knee with with pain killers. He needs to be playing!

[thomasroane]

The Poritis situation bothers me most. But, maybe this will work out for Betts. He's the type that needs a lot of carries to get going. I'm thinking McCardell will get the most looks. Don't trust bug-eyes (Caldwell). He missed some easy passes last year. I think the guy is on meth or something.

Oh, and as for Lloyd? Just cut him now and eat crow while the season is ongoing. If you wait until after the season it will be worse. Or at least make him inactive and get our roster spot back. Tell him my little league team needs a get-back coach. I think that's something he could probably handle.

:shot:

[NVskinsfan]

Skins defense will still limit Detroit's effectiveness!!! :D
Even if, the offense is a little banged up!

[Sinclair]

I hope Portis will play. I honestly think we can afford to lose Moss more than Portis.

I agree Portis is a must have (we should be ok this week because Betts SHOULD be able to tear up a poor Lions Run D, El has shown that he can catch the ball, and we have decent backups, + Cooley. Moss being out isnt as bad as Portis being out.....I think.

[thomasroane]

Hey I'm with you on this because I want to see what Lloyd can really bring to the table along with McCardell instead of Caldwell.

Sorry man, but you gotta face reality. If the Redskins are bringing guys off the street and penciling them ahead of Lloyd, that should tell you something. Lloyd has no heart. He has talent, but he will never amount to nuthin. The sooner you and other guys that Lloyd has brainwashed realize that fact the better you'll be.

[Buck812]

I hope Portis will play. I honestly think we can afford to lose Moss more than Portis.

No way!... We have another RB but at WR, we have nothing after Moss

[DCranon21]

I like both but

Portis > Moss in this situation. Reason being is because Portis is productive on the ground, as Moss may catch 4-5 balls, but they are lethal catches. But we do need both on the field.

[CAMPBELL2MOSS4SIX]

No problem, loosen the handcuffs on JC and let him sling it!!!!

[Soup]

ITs a bluff, why wouldn't portis play, Portis even said in the preseason regarding the knee that if it were a regular season game he would play. Moss is something else. The WRs all of them except for lloyd are thrash clones. Meaning, strong, up the middle, not scared to get hit type players. The quite working type that don't talk much but gives all to the team. El will be a good sub for Moss so I'm not really worried.

[70Chip44]

Sorry man, but you gotta face reality. If the Redskins are bringing guys off the street and penciling them ahead of Lloyd, that should tell you something. Lloyd has no heart. He has talent, but he will never amount to nuthin. The sooner you and other guys that Lloyd has brainwashed realize that fact the better you'll be.

I agree with you on Lloyd, the guy has all the talent in the world but is a lazy piece of garbage! You would think this would be a wake up call to him and it would enable him to step up and showcase his talents, but nooooooooooooo!!! he probably wallows away in self pity blaming everyone else but himself which, unfortunately is typical of most athletes!

I have ZERO confidence is Cladwell, my brother is Charger fan and my old college roomate is Pats fan and both of them said that he drops way to many EASY passes!!

I am begining to wonder if Portis will EVER be 100& healthy again, the way he plays for such a small guy, I dunno!

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

portis and moss out vs this offense coming at us is a loss, period. we need to put up at least 24 points to beat this team. without them we cant.

[Campbell's_da_man]

Why all the fuss? That's why we have backups on the roster.

If the coaches have no confidence in the 2nd string players, why the heck are they on the roster? The patriots are missing more players than we are, and they haven't missed a beat.

It's time for Lloyd and Thrash to step up. And if they can't do it, then it's time to pack their bags. I don't want to see McCardell on the field Sunday, unless it's an emergency.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

CP will get the booster shot, he'll just need lots of ice after the win.

Moss should probably sit. We have ARE, Thrash, Caldwell, McCardell and that Cooley guy who just got the big buck$. Look for Cooley to have a huge game.

Our defense will have to produce. As I correctly predicted last week, Fletcher nabbed an INT and will get another this week. He's just a playmaker, pure and simple.

[Aston]

If his knee felt fine in practice the week of the Giants game, felt fine during the game, and "felt fine" after the game, and they had last week off ...

I'm sorry, did I miss something? Either we're already giving him the shot every game (and probably doing permanent damage since he can't feel the pain), or he hurt his knee during the week off. I'm not sure which scenario is more concerning.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

It's messed up but you kind of have to look at the Jansen injury as the start of a very bad trend. That's why I said after Thomas went out that we were done. Because CAmpbell has not yet morphed into Tom Brady and when TWO guys on ONE SIDE go out for the year, it's kind of difficult to imagine there won't be MORE injuries, possibly serious ones.

I don't think we ARE done but I'm not liking these reports.

[Dick Edds]

I agree with you on Lloyd, the guy has all the talent in the world but is a lazy piece of garbage! You would think this would be a wake up call to him and it would enable him to step up and showcase his talents, but nooooooooooooo!!! he probably wallows away in self pity blaming everyone else but himself which, unfortunately is typical of most athletes!

I have ZERO confidence is Cladwell, my brother is Charger fan and my old college roomate is Pats fan and both of them said that he drops way to many EASY passes!!

I am begining to wonder if Portis will EVER be 100& healthy again, the way he plays for such a small guy, I dunno!

I agree, I'm not at the practices or in the meetings, but if they are signing these guys off the street, that says something about BLlyod. We all know the guy has talent, and I just don't know if i can take another wasted 10 million backup player. At least cut him and open the roster spot.

I think we should be giving him more chances if we are going to keep him active though, I know I am not a coach, but giving him one pass opportunity a game and then dictating his playing time doesn't make a lot of sense. That would be like giving Portis one carry and if he doesn't get 5 yards, we never go back to him?

Seems like all that extra conditioning and bulking up was a waste for him this off season. he should have been in VA building chemistry with Campbell. One thing i have noticed with this coaching staff, is that it seems they will not hesitate to bench a player if you don't fall in line; i.e. Springs not being a starter in the first 2 games.

[Year_of_The_Monk]

:doh: Say it ain't so?

[jeronimobrat]

portis and moss out vs this offense coming at us is a loss, period. we need to put up at least 24 points to beat this team. without them we cant.

What makes you so sure of this?

[Taylor 36]

Let's just wait and see. No reason to get all bent out of shape yet.

[Potato Sack]

I'm just hoping that the Lion's don't break their losing streak against us at home. Not to mention Capator would be all over this board. :evil:

[SkinsNoles21]

Portis will play.

I have my concerns about Moss but I know Portis will be on the field.

[Bryan81]

Sounds like they will be playing to me - not at 100%, but will be playing.

[FanboyOf91]

Oh damn it. :wtf:

[santana_4_prez]

Portis will play...

[Chief skin]

Caldwell and LlOYD FORCED TO PERFORM, Betts Sellers can carry the running load

[skns4life]

I wouldn't be surprised to see McCardell as the other starter. He practiced yesterday and ran pretty crisp routes. He may not be a "speed-burner," but, as a wiley veteran, he'll know how to get himself open.

Where did you hear he ran pretty crisp routes?

[jeronimobrat]

Where did you hear he ran pretty crisp routes?

My thoughts exactly?

[skns4life]

nevermind i read it in the article

[AzSkinsFan63]

This friggin sucks..week in week out, year in year out..Portis can't practice Moss can't practice.

You want to know why the Skins offense struggles every week..this thread is a big reason.

[jeronimobrat]

This friggin sucks..week in week out, year in year out..Portis can't practice Moss can't practice.

You want to know why the Skins offense struggles every week..this thread is a big reason.

You're being too melodramatic there partna.

[Robbnva]

The people who are down on Thrash really bother me. Thrash has been a class act thoughout his entire career. He has made some clutch catches and has shown he can be a go to receiver. I don't follow stats and all of that so I don't know if Thrash has ever STARTED for the redskins before but I feel if given the opportunity he will be just as good as the others. I think CBs will sleep on Thrash, especially if we have him in the game with ARE & McCardell at the same time. I hope they mix up the combinations and we see McCardell & Caldwell make some nice grabs also.

[Robbnva]

Portis WILL NOT sit out because of Tendonitis.

[[[ghost]]]

Portis can't be out. I have absolutely no faith in Betts inside the red zone. He can get us there, but he disappears like WRs in Area 51.

[Veretax]

Thrash will have his first TD before Blloyd! :D

[jeronimobrat]

Thrash will have his first TD before Blloyd! :D

I'm willing to bank it on Caldwell!

[#98QBKiller]

I don't see anything in that article indicating that Portis is going to miss this game.

[FearDaSpear]

Just posted in breaking news...The portis "injury" has nothing to do with tendonitis...Its a minor sprain and a bruise.

[#98QBKiller]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/


Portis Update

Bubba Tyer just came in to clarify Clinton's injury. Yesterday Coach Joe said that Clinton had suffered another bout of tendinitis in his right knee, but that was incorrect. Gibbs was assuming that was the case, according to the club, and misspoke, but Bubba just told us that Clinton actually has a bruise and a sprained right knee (grade 1, the most minor sprain possible), suffered in the first quarter of the Giants game. When asked if that injury would have prevented Portis from making those last carries, Bubba said not specificually, since Clinton had been playing with the soreness all game and was not to his knowledge pulled out of the game because of the knee.

Bubba believes Clinton will play Sunday, but it will be day by day with Portis and Moss. Santana has not yet run since hurting his groin and that injury seems the most iffy of the bunch. Santana has been running in a water tank - not on land - and each day is a feeling out process.

Bubba said the rest of the "walking wounded" - McIntosh, Daniels, Griffin, Marcus - are all scheduled to practice as normal. Sean Taylor has a bruised knee but it's not enough to keep him from practice, Bubba said, while Fred Smoot's hammy will limit him in practice some but he is expected to play after missing the last two games.


I knew CP would be good to go.

[jeronimobrat]

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/


Portis Update

Bubba Tyer just came in to clarify Clinton's injury. Yesterday Coach Joe said that Clinton had suffered another bout of tendinitis in his right knee, but that was incorrect. Gibbs was assuming that was the case, according to the club, and misspoke, but Bubba just told us that Clinton actually has a bruise and a sprained right knee (grade 1, the most minor sprain possible), suffered in the first quarter of the Giants game. When asked if that injury would have prevented Portis from making those last carries, Bubba said not specificually, since Clinton had been playing with the soreness all game and was not to his knowledge pulled out of the game because of the knee.

Bubba believes Clinton will play Sunday, but it will be day by day with Portis and Moss. Santana has not yet run since hurting his groin and that injury seems the most iffy of the bunch. Santana has been running in a water tank - which will help him stay afloat- and each day is a feeling out process.

Bubba said the rest of the "walking wounded" - McIntosh, Daniels, Griffin, Marcus - are all scheduled to practice as normal. Sean Taylor has a bruised knee but it's not enough to keep him from practice, Bubba said, while Fred Smoot's hammy will limit him in practice some but he is expected to play after missing the last two games.


I knew CP would be good to go.

Decided to add a little geniune humor to your post and quote from Tyer. :D

[#98QBKiller]

Decided to add a little geniune humor to your post and quote from Tyer. :D


I know man, that's crazy. I've never heard of receivers running in tanks but, whatever gets him back faster.

[jeronimobrat]

I know man, that's crazy. I've never heard of receivers running in tanks but, whatever gets him back faster.

Exactly what are the advantages to running in a water tank?

[GaryGreenMonk]

[QUOTE=70Chip44]I agree with you on Lloyd, the guy has all the talent in the world but is a lazy piece of garbage! You would think this would be a wake up call to him and it would enable him to step up and showcase his talents, but nooooooooooooo!!! he probably wallows away in self pity blaming everyone else but himself which, unfortunately is typical of most athletes!QUOTE]

I'm sure he wallows away in self pity in the drivers seat of his Aston Martin and on the couch in his mansion.

He doesn't care cause he makes a bunch of money... more than you will see in your lifetime.. for DOING NOTHING. Hey that reminds me of someone else... oh ARCHELETTA

[BuryYourDuke]

The fact that Lloyd didn't find it necessary to stay with all of the other healthy WR's to work on routes with JC is so frustrating it is ridiculous. I can identify with not getting the playing time you think you deserve, I played an NCAA d-1 sport...but I always took every opportunity, all of the time to attempt to show why I did deserve it. People like Lloyd frustrate me because they have all the talent, none of the drive.

[Skins4Life28]

You would have thought that, based on last year, Detroit would be a perfect game to rest all our walking wounded. Give them another week to heal. But man, Detroit has been decent this year.

I know we'll win, but I'm thinking it might be a little closer than I thought going into the season.

[flexxskins]

I am the biggest Portis fan of all but he needs to be "Old School" and shoot that knee with with pain killers. He needs to be playing!I was thinking the very same thing. But then players now a days see players from back in the day hobbling around and I guess that they are just opting not to take the needle.

[jeronimobrat]

[QUOTE=70Chip44]I agree with you on Lloyd, the guy has all the talent in the world but is a lazy piece of garbage! You would think this would be a wake up call to him and it would enable him to step up and showcase his talents, but nooooooooooooo!!! he probably wallows away in self pity blaming everyone else but himself which, unfortunately is typical of most athletes!QUOTE]

I'm sure he wallows away in self pity in the drivers seat of his Aston Martin and on the couch in his mansion.

He doesn't care cause he makes a bunch of money... more than you will see in your lifetime.. for DOING NOTHING. Hey that reminds me of someone else... oh ARCHELETTA

You would think by the organization bringing in these talents, it could possibly propel or coerce Lloyd to prove them one wrong just for one more Sunday.

But nah, that's too subtle for Lloyd.

[MONTEY]

This is bad. I asked what the hell else and it sure was answered. Not fun being a Skins fan these days. :mad:

[#98QBKiller]

This is bad. I asked what the hell else and it sure was answered. Not fun being a Skins fan these days. :mad:


???

[Laxpunk2006]

I wouldn't be surprised to see McCardell as the other starter. He practiced yesterday and ran pretty crisp routes. He may not be a "speed-burner," but, as a wiley veteran, he'll know how to get himself open.

I'm sure McCardell will be in on a few packages but I would not expect him to see significant playing time. One week of practice is not sufficient time to learn our, or anyone's playbook to the extent of starting material. My guess (undeducated at that) would be that if Moss sits out the lineup will be El, Thrash, Lloyd, Caldwell with McCardell in on a few plays if he is activated.

[tryfuhl]

Neither am I, but this certainly bought a smile to my face because unlike others, I do want to see Caldwell and Lloyd become a bigger part of this offense.

Lloyd won't see much I don't think.. how often do we run 4 WR sets?

and in 3.. we'll run thrash, are, caldwell... thrash being number 1 almost leads me to believe it's not so much his leadership, but that we'll be running single receiver sets and since he's the best blocker at WR, that we'll be running a lot

[tryfuhl]

"I know the offense pretty well and hopefully I'll have the opportunity to play this week," Caldwell said. "We'll see how it goes this week and where we're at on Sunday. I thought I was going to play last week but I don't find out until the day of the game. So I'll keep learning as much as I can."

I understand you won't always know your best players at the beginning of the week, but you'd think the guy would know if he was going to get any playing time before the day of the game.

[RenegadeTK]

i doubt we are without CP and santana on sunday....

[mjwilliams76]

Exactly what are the advantages to running in a water tank?
We use pools in rehab in order to facillitate aerobic conditioning without the major impact and strain of land based running. Using water as a medium allows a therapist or trainer to conduct drills similar to land in a lower stress environment. If the client or patient does well in an aquatic environment, it will allow for a transition to land with greater strength and less stress on the body in the initial stages. Remember, following an injury, there is some muscle weakness. The pool or "tank" allows this strength increase in a controlled environment which allows a smoother transition to the field.

Hope that hepls. IM me if you want a more in depth approach.

[Cringer Eats You]

No way we will be without both of them. If that is the case, the offense better step it up 10 notches and put some points on the board.

[jeronimobrat]

We use pools in rehab in order to facillitate aerobic conditioning without the major impact and strain of land based running. Using water as a medium allows a therapist or trainer to conduct drills similar to land in a lower stress environment. If the client or patient does well in an aquatic environment, it will allow for a transition to land with greater strength and less stress on the body in the initial stages. Remember, following an injury, there is some muscle weakness. The pool or "tank" allows this strength increase in a controlled environment which allows a smoother transition to the field.

Hope that hepls. IM me if you want a more in depth approach.

That was more than enough for me, thank you!

[Campbell's_da_man]

Exactly what are the advantages to running in a water tank?

Our bodies weigh much less in the water, so it's less stressful and much easier to move. It's similar to how many obese people that aren't able to jog or even power walk, but the water allows them to work out, and eventually they can work their way back to walking.

[SkinSince87]

portis injury isnt that serious he will play "if" the coaches allow him

[MONTEY]

???

On another thread it was said early that Moss's groin injury would probably keep him out of Sunday's game. One reason for the Mccardell signing.

[RenegadeTK]

On another thread it was said early that Moss's groin injury would probably keep him out of Sunday's game. One reason for the Mccardell signing.

i dont think this sundays game had anything to do with the McC signing. caldwell will get in a game before McC does

[jeronimobrat]

i dont think this sundays game had anything to do with the McC signing. caldwell will get in a game before McC does

Lloyd anyone

[One Shot]

I think CP will play but Santana will be out. Other WRs need to step up, and I hope when Santana gets back, he does too. I'm disappointed with him so far.

If CP doesn't play, hopefuly Ladell can fill in like he did last season. I'm more worried about our recieving corps though.

[ciresolstice]

I don't think this team as it stands right now can afford to be without either of those guys, but injuries are the nature of the sport. Guess we'll see what the guys behind them can do.

[One Shot]

Well I was always surprised how key players would be out and the team would still win. A good team overcomes injuries.

[akorn22]

We know betts is fine without portis, but this is a perfect chance for Lloyd to really step it up and show us what he's got. If he doesn;t step it up now, then he only has himself to blame. I really do want to see lloyd perform well for us.

[jeronimobrat]

We know betts is fine without portis, but this is a perfect chance for Lloyd to really step it up and show us what he's got. If he doesn;t step it up now, then he only has himself to blame. I really do want to see lloyd perform well for us.

Something inside of me is telling me the same exact thing because I am no longer being pessimistic about anything concerning this team.

The game is five days away and I am already envisioning the fellas and I celebrating our victory.

:D

[One Shot]

We know betts is fine without portis, but this is a perfect chance for Lloyd to really step it up and show us what he's got. If he doesn;t step it up now, then he only has himself to blame. I really do want to see lloyd perform well for us.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=214323

[MONTEY]

Lloyd anyone

No thanks. Ive lost faith in the young man.

[jeronimobrat]

No thanks. Ive lost faith in the young man.

Faith comes in many forms and variables.

[Chris0894]

bring up marcus mason!:D

[CaptainJames2004]

Yeah at least Cooley may be able to become a TE again instead of a blocker.. I don't think our receiving corp will be that broken without Moss. We have other players that can play but some just need to step up.

[buenosdiaz]

id be highly surprised if portis didnt play this week


Clinton Portis suffered a mild right knee sprain and bruise in the first quarter of the Week 3 loss to the Giants.

It was previously reported that Portis was experiencing tendinits, an ailment that kept him out much of training camp. The injury is not believed to be the reason he was on the sideline as the Redskins drove for a potential tying score. The Redskins head trainer expects Portis on the field for Week 5.
Source: Washington Post

found that on rotoworld from today

as far as moss goes..im praying he plays it sounds like he might be out...we'll find a way to win this game though