Spagnola: Jones Explains Ellis' Contract Adjustment

[tr1]

Jerruh can sugar coat it any way he wants...Ellis held out and got rewarded...and Jerruh caved. :laugh:


http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=63235336-920E-836E-EDA66C13E42AD28A
IRVING, Texas - That Jerry Jones made ever-so-slight an adjustment to Greg Ellis' contract over the weekend to get him back on the field did not rankle the Cowboys owner one bit or create a strained relationship between the two.

Jones, during his weekly radio segment Tuesday morning on SportsRadio 1310 The Ticket, said the slight adjustment made to Ellis' contract which has three years remaining had more to do with taking care of the risk his veteran outside linebacker had with an insurance policy he had bought to protect himself against the torn Achilles he suffered on Nov. 12, 2006 possibly being a career-ender.

"This was not a conventional redo on a contract," Jones said. "Greg had an insurance policy that had some pretty tight terms in there, that should he come back and play, when he came back and played, he had four games to evaluate and see if his injury was going to be potentially a career-ending injury. If it were, he had potentially quite a settlement coming from his insurance company and if it were not then forever hold your peace. So he had really been very cautious and conservative in coming back. That injury can be a year in healing, but can heal quicker than that, and hopefully in his case it has.

"Bottom line, we were able to do some things to take care of the risk he might have had on the policy and he was able to get out there earlier than he would have - and make no mistake about it, he still has some pain, and it was not easy for him to go back out there Sunday but it really paid off. He's farther ahead and we're farther ahead that we have him on the field."

The Cowboys certainly are, and were this past Sunday in the 35-7 victory over the Rams when Ellis registered 1½ sacks in his 2007 debut just playing 15 snaps on the team's nickel defense. With rookie Anthony Spencer starting the first four games at outside linebacker, Ellis figures to handle the same nickel pass-rush role this Monday night against Buffalo as he eases himself back onto the field.

But according to Jones, all's well that ends well after Ellis removed himself from the first practice of training camp and continued to rehab the rest of the summer through the first couple of weeks in the season.

"We're fine, we're really fine," Jones said of their relationship. "It's going fine. Greg understands the business of this game, so we're doing good."

[DWinzit]

With rookie Anthony Spencer starting the first four games at outside linebacker, Ellis figures to handle the same nickel pass-rush role this Monday night against Buffalo as he eases himself back onto the field..Is the real reason Jerrah finally buckled due to the failure of the Carpenter/Spencer platoon?

[DWinzit]

But according to Jones, all's well that ends well after Ellis removed himself from the first practice of training camp

"We're fine, we're really fine," Jones said of their relationship. "It's going fine. Greg understands the business of this game, so we're doing good."Who is Jerrah trying to convince, the public or himself? :laugh:

[tr1]

Is the real reason Jerrah finally buckled due to the failure of the Carpenter/Spencer platoon?

With the exception of the most unreasonable of puke fans, the Carpenter/Spencer duo appear to be busts...

[DWinzit]

With the exception of the most unreasonable of puke fans, the Carpenter/Spencer duo appear to be busts...I guess it is too early to tell with Spencer. They continue to move Carpenter around giving him many opportuntities. He only seems to to well on special teams!.....just sayin'

[dallasfan]

How is spencer a bust? Carpenter definately hasn't lived up to expectations, not saying he won't, but what's the explanation as to why Spencer is a bust 4 games into his rookie season?

[Leonard Washington]

what ever happened to dat nguyen?

[TEK2000]

what ever happened to dat nguyen?

Neck injury ended his career during the 2005 season. He is now the assistant LBers/defensive quality controls coach for the Cowboys.

[Reic]

I always liked Dat, regardless of if he was a cowboy, he was my favorite one, if that is possible. I was upset to see him go down.

[TEK2000]

I always liked Dat, regardless of if he was a cowboy, he was my favorite one, if that is possible. I was upset to see him go down.

I've been a fan of Dat since his days at Texas A&M. He just the kind of player that you love to watch because he gives everything on every play.

I read his book... interesting stories about how his parents got out of Vietnam and how they were moved all over the US before settling in south Texas. Lots of good info about his football career from high school through the NFL.

[BigDFan5]

Luckily for Cowboy fans Ellis is far from done as a player, and was underpaid and deserved a raise right tr1?

[tr1]

Luckily for Cowboy fans Ellis is far from done as a player, and was underpaid and deserved a raise right tr1?

Too bad JJ didn't adjust his contract earlier...you could have had him on the field for week one...and your defense wouldn't have looked so suspect through the first four games.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Too bad JJ didn't adjust his contract earlier...you could have had him on the field for week one...and your defense wouldn't have looked so suspect through the first four games.

well even better they went 4-0 in that span. Who gives a darn is something looks "suspect" when your 4-0.

JJ cant be a mind reader, and as it was stated, he didnt know until Greg finally told him.

[tr1]

JJ cant be a mind reader, and as it was stated, he didnt know until Greg finally told him.

This is such bull****...the "insurance factor" was a ploy for Jones to save face in order to pay a player who wouldn't go on the field unless he got more money...guaranteed money!


Ellis will receive an extra $500,000 on top of his $2.5 million base salary this season. He also could earn an additional $1.5 million over the length of the contract, which runs through 2009. And, should Ellis be injured this season, parts of his 2008 and '09 salaries are now guaranteed.

Try to work with the truth, TRPB... :laugh:

Why not just admit that Jones caved on Ellis?

I hope you don't believe all the crap that organization dishes out to you, do you?

Oh, BTW, here's some easy reading for you: http://uweblogsports.blogspot.com/2007/10/greg-ellis-is-one-sorry-son-of-*****.html

[DWinzit]

JJ cant be a mind reader, and as it was stated, he didnt know until Greg finally told him.Didn't Ellis begin asking about a restructure before or at the end of last season and Jerrah continued to say no way?:whoknows:

[TonyRomoProBowl]

This is such bull****...the "insurance factor" was a ploy for Jones to save face in order to pay a player who wouldn't go on the field unless he got more money...guaranteed money!



Try to work with the truth, TRPB... :laugh:

Why not just admit that Jones caved on Ellis?

I hope you don't believe all the crap that organization dishes out to you, do you?

Oh, BTW, here's some easy reading for you: http://uweblogsports.blogspot.com/2007/10/greg-ellis-is-one-sorry-son-of-*****.html


Its absolutly crazy how much you think you know about the Cowboys. And no matter of JJ caved or if he helped with the insurance policy, the d is better with Ellis and as fans, that is about all we care about.......

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Didn't Ellis begin asking about a restructure before or at the end of last season and Jerrah continued to say no way?:whoknows:


Look, whatever the reason it happened, it happened. There was insurance policy issues at stake and money Greg wanted at stake...either way, the cowboys as a team are better off with him ON THE FIELD. This just makes the team better and as a fan, thats what its all about.

[TennCowboy]

With the exception of the most unreasonable of puke fans, the Carpenter/Spencer duo appear to be busts...:laugh:

Spencer's played very good football. Ask Eli Manning how tough he is. The fact you would even make such a comment shows how very little you know about or have seen the Cowboys.

[TennCowboy]

Its absolutly crazy how much you think you know about the Cowboys. And no matter of JJ caved or if he helped with the insurance policy, the d is better with Ellis and as fans, that is about all we care about.......I'm not for caving to any player.

But the reality is that Dallas has almost $13m in cap space right now, and if they don't use that, will have about $40M in free space next year. Ellis got $500K. It's a non-issue, especially when the derision comes from fans of the most fiscally irresponsible, cap-strapped team in the NFL.

[doncherry]

Jerruh can sugar coat it any way he wants...Ellis held out and got rewarded...and Jerruh caved. :laugh:


http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=63235336-920E-836E-EDA66C13E42AD28A
IRVING, Texas - That Jerry Jones made ever-so-slight an adjustment to Greg Ellis' contract over the weekend to get him back on the field did not rankle the Cowboys owner one bit or create a strained relationship between the two.

Jones, during his weekly radio segment Tuesday morning on SportsRadio 1310 The Ticket, said the slight adjustment made to Ellis' contract which has three years remaining had more to do with taking care of the risk his veteran outside linebacker had with an insurance policy he had bought to protect himself against the torn Achilles he suffered on Nov. 12, 2006 possibly being a career-ender.

"This was not a conventional redo on a contract," Jones said. "Greg had an insurance policy that had some pretty tight terms in there, that should he come back and play, when he came back and played, he had four games to evaluate and see if his injury was going to be potentially a career-ending injury. If it were, he had potentially quite a settlement coming from his insurance company and if it were not then forever hold your peace. So he had really been very cautious and conservative in coming back. That injury can be a year in healing, but can heal quicker than that, and hopefully in his case it has.

"Bottom line, we were able to do some things to take care of the risk he might have had on the policy and he was able to get out there earlier than he would have - and make no mistake about it, he still has some pain, and it was not easy for him to go back out there Sunday but it really paid off. He's farther ahead and we're farther ahead that we have him on the field."

The Cowboys certainly are, and were this past Sunday in the 35-7 victory over the Rams when Ellis registered 1½ sacks in his 2007 debut just playing 15 snaps on the team's nickel defense. With rookie Anthony Spencer starting the first four games at outside linebacker, Ellis figures to handle the same nickel pass-rush role this Monday night against Buffalo as he eases himself back onto the field.

But according to Jones, all's well that ends well after Ellis removed himself from the first practice of training camp and continued to rehab the rest of the summer through the first couple of weeks in the season.

"We're fine, we're really fine," Jones said of their relationship. "It's going fine. Greg understands the business of this game, so we're doing good."

not sure I get your point old chap. Dallas is 4-0, Ellis is back, and the D is improving. How is this a negative development?

[BigDave95]

With the exception of the most unreasonable of puke fans, the Carpenter/Spencer duo appear to be busts...

Are you serious?!?! How in the world could you call Spencer a bust? He's played very well especially when you factor in that he's still learning a new position.

Now I'll give you Carpenter, but to call Spencer a bust is just laughable.

[tr1]

Its absolutly crazy how much you think you know about the Cowboys. And no matter of JJ caved or if he helped with the insurance policy, the d is better with Ellis and as fans, that is about all we care about.......

Obfuscation at its best... :laugh:

Just to make it clear, the thread is about Jerruh caving to Ellis...not how well or badly Ellis will do this year.

[tr1]

Are you serious?!?! How in the world could you call Spencer a bust? He's played very well especially when you factor in that he's still learning a new position.

Now I'll give you Carpenter, but to call Spencer a bust is just laughable.

Spenser is SO good, Jerruh went out and guaranteed Ellis' contract... :doh:

You puke fans are pretty funny.
:laugh:

[BigDave95]

Spenser is SO good, Jerruh went out and guaranteed Ellis' contract... :doh:

You puke fans are pretty funny.
:laugh:

I wish you had the slightest clue what you were talking about so this could at least be interesting...

Ellis was brought back in to be a nickel pass rusher opposite D Ware. Spencer is still the 3-4 OLB. Ellis will not be taking any of Spencer's snaps. If any player isn't happy about this, it should be Hatcher who will be losing most of his situational pass rushing opportunities to Ellis.

[tr1]

I wish you had the slightest clue what you were talking about so this could at least be interesting...

Ellis was brought back in to be a nickel pass rusher opposite D Ware. Spencer is still the 3-4 OLB. Ellis will not be taking any of Spencer's snaps. If any player isn't happy about this, it should be Hatcher who will be losing most of his situational pass rushing opportunities to Ellis.

Well, this is contrary to everything I've read about Spencer being drafted by the pukes...

I don't think anyone ever mentions Spencer as a pass defender...only as a pass rusher.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

:rolleyes:

[He Hate Me]

Well, this is contrary to everything I've read about Spencer being drafted by the pukes...

I don't think anyone ever mentions Spencer as a pass defender...only as a pass rusher.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

:rolleyes:

Spencer is in the process of learning a new position in a new scheme. During pre-season and the first game or two of the regular season, there were reports quoting him saying he feels comfortable in pass-rushing situations, but still is trying to learn how to read the offense and figure out when to rush and when to drop into coverage.

He is improving every game though, and Ellis is a better rusher, therefore the deal from Jerry.

[BigDave95]

Well, this is contrary to everything I've read about Spencer being drafted by the pukes...

I don't think anyone ever mentions Spencer as a pass defender...only as a pass rusher.

Correct me if I'm wrong...

:rolleyes:

??????

How did you get "Spencer is a pass defender" from what I said? I guess you're just not that familiar with a 3-4. Spencer and Ware are the OLB's in the 3-4. In Wade's scheme, they are primarily pass rushers (especially Ware). Occasionally they'll have coverage responsibilites but their job is mostly to go get the QB.

In the nickel, Spencer would come off and Hatcher would be the pass rusher opposite Ware. Now with the return of Ellis, he is taking those situational pass rushing opps. Now they'll still rotate Hatcher and even Spencer in there on occasion, but it's mainly Greg's job now.

The return of Ellis has little to no impact on Spencer. You will NOT see Ellis as the 3-4 OLB like you did last year. That is Spencer's job now. Ellis will be kept fresh to rush the passer.

[doncherry]

Obfuscation at its best... :laugh:

Just to make it clear, the thread is about Jerruh caving to Ellis...not how well or badly Ellis will do this year.

eschew obfuscation, espouse elucidation.....

[tr1]

??????

How did you get "Spencer is a pass defender" from what I said? I guess you're just not that familiar with a 3-4. Spencer and Ware are the OLB's in the 3-4. In Wade's scheme, they are primarily pass rushers (especially Ware). Occasionally they'll have coverage responsibilites but their job is mostly to go get the QB.

In the nickel, Spencer would come off and Hatcher would be the pass rusher opposite Ware. Now with the return of Ellis, he is taking those situational pass rushing opps. Now they'll still rotate Hatcher and even Spencer in there on occasion, but it's mainly Greg's job now.

The return of Ellis has little to no impact on Spencer. You will NOT see Ellis as the 3-4 OLB like you did last year. That is Spencer's job now. Ellis will be kept fresh to rush the passer.

So, Spencer wasn't drafted to replace Ellis? :doh:

You puke fans re-write history for your convenience.

This is just unreal.

Sad...and unreal.
:laugh:

[BigDave95]

So, Spencer wasn't drafted to replace Ellis? :doh:

You puke fans re-write history for your convenience.

This is just unreal.

Sad...and unreal.
:laugh:

Is that really the way your simplistic mind works? Everything must be black and white. This player is a direct replacement for that player. Football is a little more complex than that.

Spencer was drafted to replace Ellis as the 3-4 OLB opposite Ware. He did that and will continue to do that. Ellis coming back from injury doesn't affect that at all.

[BigDFan5]

Too bad JJ didn't adjust his contract earlier...you could have had him on the field for week one...and your defense wouldn't have looked so suspect through the first four games.


Glad to see you agree he is far from done as a player, and deserved the raise he got :cheers:

[bubba9497]

So, Spencer wasn't drafted to replace Ellis? :doh:





:nono: to replace Carpenter

who was drafted to replace Ellis :laugh:

[SoDakMan]

:nono: to replace Carpenter

who was drafted to replace Ellis :laugh:

He was drafted to replace Ellis when Ellis retires. It appears we haven't had this much depth in Dallas in a long time.

EDIT: We have no depth after Romo.

:cheers:

[SkinsFanAnt]

Jerruh makes me :puke: . I can't stand that guy. Damn I wish he would have let Ellis go.

[DWinzit]

I'm not for caving to any player.

But the reality is that Dallas has almost $13m in cap space right now, and if they don't use that, will have about $40M in free space next year. Ellis got $500K. It's a non-issue, especially when the derision comes from fans of the most fiscally irresponsible, cap-strapped team in the NFL.
I wouldn't worry much about free cap space!


If the Cowboys can't work out a long-term deal with quarterback Tony Romo, and if owner Jerry Jones chooses to restrict completely Romo's ability to shop himself as a free agent, the one-year tender will cost $14 million, according to Adam Schefter of NFL Network. That's the anticipated average value of the five highest-paid quarterbacks in 2008, based on their 2008 cap numbers. And, if Romo is going to be franchised, it's very likely that the Cowboys will need to use the exclusive franchise tag. Otherwise, the non-exclusive tender of $10.7 million will allow Romo to sign an offer sheet with another team in exchange for two first-round draft picks..
Source: Mike Florio, ProFootballTalk.com (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

[BigDFan5]

I wouldn't worry much about free cap space!


Source: Mike Florio, ProFootballTalk.com (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)


I wouldnt hold my breath on him not getting signed Dwin, you know Jerry is not cheap

[DWinzit]

??????

How did you get "Spencer is a pass defender" from what I said? I guess you're just not that familiar with a 3-4. Spencer and Ware are the OLB's in the 3-4. In Wade's scheme, they are primarily pass rushers (especially Ware). Occasionally they'll have coverage responsibilites but their job is mostly to go get the QB.

In the nickel, Spencer would come off and Hatcher would be the pass rusher opposite Ware. Now with the return of Ellis, he is taking those situational pass rushing opps. Now they'll still rotate Hatcher and even Spencer in there on occasion, but it's mainly Greg's job now.

The return of Ellis has little to no impact on Spencer. You will NOT see Ellis as the 3-4 OLB like you did last year. That is Spencer's job now. Ellis will be kept fresh to rush the passer.Not saying your analysis is incorrect but it is not the way Dallas fans had explained Dallas' defensive structure in earlier threads. It does make sense to try getting Ware, Ellis and Spencer on the field together.

I would think Carpenter as well as Hatcher that would be upset with this set. Carpenter again looses out and can't get on the field to attack the QB. That ability and his size were the reason for Dallas picking him.

[DWinzit]

I wouldnt hold my breath on him not getting signed Dwin, you know Jerry is not cheapDon't worry, I won't be holding my breath. There are however many scenario's that could play out!:2cents:

[tr1]

Glad to see you agree he is far from done as a player, and deserved the raise he got :cheers:

Check my past posts about Ellis...

I'd have liked him to be a Skin.

[tr1]

I wouldnt hold my breath on him not getting signed Dwin, you know Jerry is not cheap

He's not cheap...just not very smart.
:laugh:

[BigDFan5]

Check my past posts about Ellis...

I'd have liked him to be a Skin.


Exactly, you even said he deserved a raise, so why start a thread trying to bash Jones for doing exactly what you said he should?

[tr1]

Exactly, you even said he deserved a raise, so why start a thread trying to bash Jones for doing exactly what you said he should?

Because Jones is being a hypocrite...he wouldn't re-structure Ellis' deal because
Ellis wanted more guaranteed money...but he re-structures his deal because...Ellis wanted more guaranteed money... :doh:

Regardless of the circumstances...

You do follow, eh?

:laugh:

[dfos81]

He was drafted to replace Ellis when Ellis retires. It appears we haven't had this much depth in Dallas in a long time.

EDIT: We have no depth after Romo.

:cheers:


Is Carpenter still playing for Dallas? I think I do remember seeing him getting toasted on spteams when Dante Hall took it to the house.

Is that what Carpenter is now a 1st round spteamer?
You would think w/ Ellis being out, he would at least show some of that 1st round potential.
Either way the pick of Rocky in the 2nd round for the Skins is looking to be the much better pick so far. :cheers:

:point2sky

[BigDFan5]

Because Jones is being a hypocrite...he wouldn't re-structure Ellis' deal because
Ellis wanted more guaranteed money...but he re-structures his deal because...Ellis wanted more guaranteed money... :doh:

Regardless of the circumstances...

You do follow, eh?

:laugh:


He guaranteed money from next years salary (money he would have been paid for being on the team anyway)

Now it is guaranteed so he doesnt get cut. 500k tis year is nothing


Jerry put his ego aside and got a good player with "plenty left" on the field that makes perfect sense

[tr1]

He guaranteed money from next years salary (money he would have been paid for being on the team anyway)

Now it is guaranteed so he doesnt get cut. 500k tis year is nothing


Jerry put his ego aside and got a good player with "plenty left" on the field that makes perfect sense

Nice spin, BigDFan.

If Ellis foot didn't feel right by week four, he could have retired and gotten the money WITHOUT having to play another down.

Jerruh caved...especially after taking such a public stance.

It's okay to admit it.

[slogriff]

Because Jones is being a hypocrite...he wouldn't re-structure Ellis' deal because
Ellis wanted more guaranteed money...but he re-structures his deal because...Ellis wanted more guaranteed money... :doh:

Regardless of the circumstances...

You do follow, eh?

:laugh:

Regardless of the situation an owner/GM can't redo a players contract? It must be nice living in an absolute vacuum.

I don't think too many owner/GMs are going to redo a contract for a guy who may not ever play again, just so you can give him more up front money. However, Ellis is a very respected and valuable veteran on the team and JJ waited until Ellis said he could return to the field and play at an acceptable level. JJ agrees to give his team-leader a greater sense of security and avoid any potential friction on a team with very high aspirations.

You can obviously call JJ a hypocrite for changing his stance but I doubt there is an owner/GM in the league who hasn't changed their position in regards to player's contract and could be called the same. I think JJ handled this well considering the particular circumstances.

[BigDFan5]

Nice spin, BigDFan.

If Ellis foot didn't feel right by week four, he could have retired and gotten the money WITHOUT having to play another down.

Jerruh caved...especially after taking such a public stance.

It's okay to admit it.

Yes he could have retired and gotten the money from his insurance policy.

The Cowboys would rather him play therefore they took the amount fo the policy and guaranteed 1.5 million of his next years salary. Therefore if he gets hurt again he still gets the money his insurance would have paid him.

Jerry did what was best for the team, he should be applauded

[tr1]

Yes he could have retired and gotten the money from his insurance policy.

The Cowboys would rather him play therefore they took the amount fo the policy and guaranteed 1.5 million of his next years salary. Therefore if he gets hurt again he still gets the money his insurance would have paid him.

Jerry did what was best for the team, he should be applauded

You failed to address the part about him being a hypocrite... :laugh:

Jerruh caved...Spencer wasn't getting the job done...

[BigDFan5]

You failed to address the part about him being a hypocrite... :laugh:

Jerruh caved...Spencer wasn't getting the job done...

wth what does Spencer have to do with anything? Spencer is still the starter :laugh:


Helping your team is not being a hypocrite

[tr1]

wth what does Spencer have to do with anything? Spencer is still the starter :laugh:


Helping your team is not being a hypocrite

Saying you won't adjust a contract, and then later doing it IS being a hypocrite.

Look it up...

[BigDFan5]

Saying you won't adjust a contract, and then later doing it IS being a hypocrite.

Look it up...


So I read the definition and you said Ellis deserved a raise and now are bashing Jones for guaranteeing some of his current salary for next year what would that make you?

[tr1]

So I read the definition and you said Ellis deserved a raise and now are bashing Jones for guaranteeing some of his current salary for next year what would that make you?

The thread isn't about me...it's about your hypocrite owner... :doh:

[BigDFan5]

The thread isn't about me...it's about your hypocrite owner... :doh:

:laugh: Thats what I thought



Yup Jerry did what was best for the team what a bad man :D

[tr1]

:laugh: Thats what I thought



Yup Jerry did what was best for the team what a bad man :D

:laugh: :laugh:

It's impossible for you to admit your owner is a hypocrite for saying one thing and then doing another.

It's not on you BigD...it's on Jerruh.

[BigDFan5]

:laugh: :laugh:

It's impossible for you to admit your owner is a hypocrite for saying one thing and then doing another.

It's not on you BigD...it's on Jerruh.

Thats the point tr1, I dont care :laugh:

I am a Cowboys fan, he did what was best for the Cowboys that is a good thing.


Big deal he guaranteed some money off his salary next year, its not like he was gonna get cut, he was going to make that money anyway LOL

[Fred Jones]

Let's review.

1. Spencer = Not getting it done.
2. Carpenter = Not getting it done.
3. Ellis = Is a proven player, unlike 1 and 2.

Jones = Finally accepts that he needs Ellis, after stating in the media that he does not need to redo his contract and that Ellis needs to play his current contract. Jones eats crow and skins fans are proven right that Spencer was not the answer.

[BigDFan5]

Let's review.

1. Spencer = Not getting it done.
2. Carpenter = Not getting it done.
3. Ellis = Is a proven player, unlike 1 and 2.

Jones = Finally accepts that he needs Ellis, after stating in the media that he does not need to redo his contract and that Ellis needs to play his current contract. Jones eats crow and skins fans are proven right that Spencer was not the answer.


except that Spencer is still the starter :doh:

[tr1]

Thats the point tr1, I dont care :laugh:

I am a Cowboys fan, he did what was best for the Cowboys that is a good thing.


Big deal he guaranteed some money off his salary next year, its not like he was gonna get cut, he was going to make that money anyway LOL

:laugh:

The ends justify the means...

Excellent motto to live by, BigD... :laugh:

Don't you think Jerruh was a hypocrite? Regardless of the impact on your team?

[tr1]

except that Spencer is still the starter :doh:

Only until Ellis is 'healed'...

Face it, Spencer was such a liability, Jerruh paid Ellis guaranteed money - doing a complete 180 of what he said he'd do - to get Ellis on the field.

Just the facts...

[dfos81]

except that Spencer is still the starter :doh:

For how long is the question b/c we all know w/o a question that at 80% Ellis is better than Carpenter and Spencer combined ;)

[BigDFan5]

:laugh:

The ends justify the means...

Excellent motto to live by, BigD... :laugh:

Don't you think Jerruh was a hypocrite? Regardless of the impact on your team?

As I said tr1 I dont care LOL

Call him anything you like, he helped the team thats a great thing. Some owners dont let ego get in the way of the team.

[BigDFan5]

For how long is the question b/c we all know w/o a question that a 80% Ellis is better than Carpenter and Spencer combined ;)


poor attempt, keep training :D

[tr1]

As I said tr1 I dont care LOL

Call him anything you like, he helped the team thats a great thing. Some owners dont let ego get in the way of the team.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You can't admit your owner is a hypocrite.

Remarkable.

He got in the way when he initially refused Ellis' request, wouldn't you say?

BigD...unable to face reality.

:laugh: :laugh:

[dfos81]

poor attempt, keep training :D


Nice comback :applause:
You don't think Ellis at 80% is better than Carpenter or Spencer?

Man why do you think Jerry hasn't let him go yet, to play or to watch and get a nice paycheck for watching :laugh: :laugh:

[tr1]

For how long is the question b/c we all know w/o a question that at 80% Ellis is better than Carpenter and Spencer combined ;)

Excellent point.

Even I know Ellis is much better than Spencer and/or Carpenter... :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You can't admit your owner is a hypocrite.

Remarkable.

He got in the way when he initially refused Ellis' request, wouldn't you say?

BigD...unable to face reality.

:laugh: :laugh:



When Ellis first asked this season he was hurt an unable to practice or play. He should have said no way.

Now ellis is healthy enough to play.


Like I said call him what you like. I enjoy owners doing what is right for the team

[dwdj75]

When did it become cliche to describe a player as a bust not even twenty games into a career ?


If that was factual there would be quite a few great players that would be considered busts.

[tr1]

Nice comback :applause:
You don't think Ellis at 80% is better than Carpenter or Spencer?

Man why do you think Jerry hasn't let him go yet, to play or to watch and get a nice paycheck for watching :laugh: :laugh:

BigD is in denial.

:laugh:

[BigDFan5]

Nice comback :applause:
You don't think Ellis at 80% is better than Carpenter or Spencer?

Man why do you think Jerry hasn't let him go yet, to play or to watch and get a nice paycheck for watching :laugh: :laugh:

Then why is Ellis the nickle pass rusher while Spencer starts?

[tr1]

When did it become cliche to describe a player as a bust not even twenty games into a career ?


If that was factual there would be quite a few great players that would be considered busts.

Considering the track record with Carpenter, it looks like Spencer is following closely in his footsteps...

[tr1]

Then why is Ellis the nickle pass rusher while Spencer starts?

Spencer starts only because Ellis isn't 100%.

Nice nuance, Big D... :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

Spencer starts only because Ellis isn't 100%.

Nice nuance, Big D... :laugh:


So will ellis start at all this year?

[tr1]

When Ellis first asked this season he was hurt an unable to practice or play. He should have said no way.

Now ellis is healthy enough to play.


Like I said call him what you like. I enjoy owners doing what is right for the team

When one says he'll do one thing, and then does another, that's being a hypocrite, isn't it?

[tr1]

So will ellis start at all this year?

You tell me...

[BigDFan5]

When one says he'll do one thing, and then does another, that's being a hypocrite, isn't it?


No, its called smart business

[dfos81]

Spencer starts only because Ellis isn't 100%.

Nice nuance, Big D... :laugh:


See how he side stepped my question? :laugh: Freakin weak, well I guess its not weak coming from a Dallas fan :applause:

I asked him if he thought Ellis at 80% was better than Spencer or Carpenter.

Good job BigD :laugh:

Heres why he isn't starting yet BigD. You did know he is coming off a pretty big injury right. :doh:

Quote from Spagnola,

"he still has some pain, and it was not easy for him to go back out there Sunday but it really paid off. He's farther ahead and we're farther ahead that we have him on the field."

[tr1]

See how he side stepped my question? :laugh: Freakin weak, well I guess its not weak coming from a Dallas fan :applause:

I asked him if he thought Ellis at 80% was better than Spencer or Carpenter.

Good job BigD :laugh:

He's been dodging Jerruh being a hypocrite all night... :laugh:

It's BigD's MO... :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

See how he side stepped my question? :laugh: Freakin weak, well I guess its not weak coming from a Dallas fan :applause:

I asked him if he thought Ellis at 80% was better than Spencer or Carpenter.

Good job BigD :laugh:

Heres why he isn't starting yet BigD. You did know he is coming off a pretty big injury right. :doh:

Quote from Spagnola,

"he still has some pain, and it was not easy for him to go back out there Sunday but it really paid off. He's farther ahead and we're farther ahead that we have him on the field."


No at 80% he isnt better sorry.


When do you think he will take over the starting job?

[tr1]

No at 80% he isnt better sorry.


When do you think he will take over the starting job?

After he has a big game...

[dfos81]

I guess Jerry said it, not Spagnola


" And make no mistake about it, he still has some pain, and it was not easy for him to go back out there Sunday but it really paid off. He's farther ahead and we're farther ahead that we have him on the field."

Do you understand why he isn't starting now BigD? :doh:

[BigDFan5]

I guess Jerry said it, not Spagnola



Do understand why he isn't starting now BigD? :doh:


LOL he wont start this season unless Spencer gets hurt.


I do find it funny that you guys want to declare someone a bust after 4 games, especially when that player has played well in those 4 games

[DWinzit]

I asked him if he thought Ellis at 80% was better than Spencer or Carpenter. As much as it hurts, the answer is yes whether the question is aimed at BigD or any other Dallas fan. It is tough to admit though because Dallas has used two straight 1st round picks trying to replace him!

[tr1]

I do find it funny that you guys want to declare someone a bust after 4 games, especially when that player has played well in those 4 games

We can only judge by the Carpenter experience...Spencer looks like he's following in Carpenter's footsteps... :laugh:

[dfos81]

As much as it hurts, the answer is yes whether the question is aimed at BigD or any other Dallas fan. It is tough to admit though because Dallas has used two straight 1st round picks trying to replace him!

Exactly :cheers: He isn't starting b/c of his injury, not b/c Spencer and Carpenter are better. :doh:

BigD has nothing tonight, well I guess thats the norm for him.

[dfos81]

No at 80% he isnt better sorry.

Lets see if you change your tune about that by the end of the season.

I know quite a few Cowboy fans(unfortunately) living in Okc and they all agree that Ellis is better at 80% then Carpenter and Spencer.

Sorry Greg Ellis is better NOW coming off a season ending injury than your 2 1st round picks.
If you guys keep drafting Lbers, eventually you'll get 1 to replace Ellis :laugh:

Spencer may end up developing into a good lber, just b/c he's starting now doesn't mean his job is secure though.

Don't be surprised when Ellis slowly gets more and more playing time. It really doesn't matter who starts the game but who will end up w/ more time on the field this year.
I'm not sure yet....depends on how painful it gets for Ellis.

Only Lber that I'm labeling as a "bust" so far is Carpenter b/c he hasn't done anything to take a starting job from anybody yet and he has more sinority then Spencer.

If BigDfan hasn't noticed, none of his fellow Cowboy fans are disagreeing w/ me.
Wonder why? :whoknows:

[tr1]

Lets see if you change your tune about that by the end of the season.

I know quite a few Cowboy fans(unfortunately) living in Okc and they all agree that Ellis is better at 80% then Carpenter and Spencer.

Sorry Greg Ellis is better NOW coming off a season ending injury than your 2 1st round picks.
If you guys keep drafting Lbers, eventually you'll get 1 to replace Ellis :laugh:

Spencer may end up developing into a good lber, just b/c he's starting now doesn't mean his job is secure though.

Don't be surprised when Ellis slowly gets more and more playing time. It really doesn't matter who starts the game but who will end up w/ more time on the field this year.
I'm not sure yet....depends on how painful it gets for Ellis.

Only Lber that I'm labeling as a "bust" so far is Carpenter b/c he hasn't done anything to take a starting job from anybody yet and he has more sinority then Spencer.

If BigDfan hasn't noticed, none of his fellow Cowboy fans are disagreeing w/ me.
Wonder why? :whoknows:

The D in BigDFan5 stand for 'Dodge'...something he likes to do a lot...

Nice post, dfos81.
:cheers:

[slogriff]

Lets see if you change your tune about that by the end of the season.

I know quite a few Cowboy fans(unfortunately) living in Okc and they all agree that Ellis is better at 80% then Carpenter and Spencer.

Sorry Greg Ellis is better NOW coming off a season ending injury than your 2 1st round picks.
If you guys keep drafting Lbers, eventually you'll get 1 to replace Ellis :laugh:

Spencer may end up developing into a good lber, just b/c he's starting now doesn't mean his job is secure though.

Don't be surprised when Ellis slowly gets more and more playing time. It really doesn't matter who starts the game but who will end up w/ more time on the field this year.
I'm not sure yet....depends on how painful it gets for Ellis.

Only Lber that I'm labeling as a "bust" so far is Carpenter b/c he hasn't done anything to take a starting job from anybody yet and he has more sinority then Spencer.

If BigDfan hasn't noticed, none of his fellow Cowboy fans are disagreeing w/ me.
Wonder why? :whoknows:

I think you need to be a little more specific in how Ellis at 80% is "better" than Spencer. (forget Carpenter, Im not interested in propping up his future chances) Are you talking about solely as a pass-rush specialist or as an overall OLB?

Currently, Ellis at 80% is a better pass rusher but I'd take Spencer playing the run and defending the pass. Both should continue improving over the season. As Ellis' health improves & Spencer gets further acclimated to a new position, they both should improve their performances. However, Spencer has a higher ceiling of potential improvement. For the foreseeable future, I see Spencer playing far more downs with Ellis being limited to obvious passing situations.

[dfos81]

I think you need to be a little more specific in how Ellis at 80% is "better" than Spencer. (forget Carpenter, Im not interested in propping up his future chances) Are you talking about solely as a pass-rush specialist or as an overall OLB?

Currently, Ellis at 80% is a better pass rusher but I'd take Spencer playing the run and defending the pass. Both should continue improving over the season. As Ellis' health improves & Spencer gets further acclimated to a new position, they both should improve their performances. However, Spencer has a higher ceiling of potential improvement. For the foreseeable future, I see Spencer playing far more downs with Ellis being limited to obvious passing situations.


Just judging based on his play that he seems about 80%. I don't belive he is as good in space right now b/c of the injury but he is getting back to form, if he doesn't have any setbacks he could end up playing more often then Spencer, may not start over him right away but I could see him getting more time.

I thought in "Wades system" a pass rushing OLBer was more important then the cover lber? :whoknows:

Here some more logic for you and the other Cowboy fans reading along.

With Dallas's offense playing so well and them putting up the points they are in the 2nd half of games.
Do you think Ellis is going to be on the field more often(assuming he has no setbacks w/ his injury) if he was the better "pass rusher"?
I do.

Its just logical to see what I'm saying and some may agree, some may not.
For the ones that can't see this logic
:finger: b/c your in denial :laugh: I don't think your in too much denial to see this logic, are you?

[slogriff]

[QUOTE=dfos81]
I thought in "Wades system" a pass rushing OLBer was more important then the cover lber? :whoknows:


With Dallas's offense playing so well and them putting up the points they are in the 2nd half of games.
Do you think Ellis is going to be on the field more often(assuming he has no setbacks w/ his injury) if he was the better "pass rusher"?
I do.

QUOTE]

A pass rushing OLB is crucial for Wade's system. However, Ellis isn't playing a standup OLB role at this time and doesn't expect to for some time. Against STL he played in just 14 plays (mostly 3rd down) and was in a 3 pt stance on the line every play. Playing a DE role on the nickle package. Important position but I don't see him playing more downs than Spencer. Cowboys are trying not to throw too much at Spencer but I expect they will try to increasingly get him on the field more with both Ellis & Ware on passing downs. Need to get as many good pass rushers on the field as possible.

The Boys are putting up huge 2nd half numbers. Ellis could see a few more plays if they could start piling up the points sooner in the first half. The sooner you get a big lead, the sooner teams will abandon the run and throw a > % on 1st & 2nd down.

[Buddy Dude]

Who is Jerrah trying to convince, the public or himself? :laugh:It's the same crap he always spews before someone mysteriously disappears from Dallas :paranoid: