With The Additions Of 2 New Wideouts.....

[CAMPBELL2MOSS4SIX]

Are the Skins on the verge of opening up this offense?

[ffxdrummer]

I hope so! At this point, failure is not for lack of weapons on either side of the ball (or even special teams), but rather execution and strategy. If we can get everyone on the same page and firing, we'll be a force to be reckoned with!

[jeronimobrat]

We'll see what happens!

[Chump Bailey]

We can only hope. I personally would like for Jason to throw more often on first and second downs. I know we have to run the ball of course, but didn't Al use the passing threat pretty often as a way of opening up the running game in K.C.?

[RedskinsScore]

prob more of the same old crap.

[CAMPBELL2MOSS4SIX]

There is no way this offense should be averaging 17.6 points a game. We have 2 1000 yard RB, 1000 yard WR, and 1000 yard TE.

[ffxdrummer]

There is no way this offense should be averaging 17.6 points a game. We have 2 1000 yard RB, 1000 yard WR, and 1000 yard TE.

...and a 500 yard scheme...

[No_Pressure]

I hope it means we will have 4 WR packages with Moss, Randle-El, McCardell, and Caldwell.

Just think: Moss, ARE, McCardell, Caldwell, and Cooley all running routes at the same time. We could do some damage if we wanted to...

[CGSKINS]

We better be or else we gone be throwing up them " dueces" Meening we will be 2-2

[D-Day]

We can only hope.

[jrfriedm]

I think that we have to find a way to get EVERYBODY involved in the game. It seems that every game there is only one or two players that seem to be major contributors (other than the RB), we need to spread the ball around better and start actually hitting those deep passes.

[ntotoro]

More Six Wide Receiver Sets, Baybeeee!!!!!!!!!!111

[BKSkinsFan]

This is kind of my hope that we are getting these guys to come in after seeing that we have success with 3 and 4 WR formations. Having more veteran guys going out attacking all different areas of the field, we will give JC more options rather than coverage is good on Moss and El, dump it off.

McCardell and Caldwell along with El should be able to find soft spots in zone coverage, and Moss will most definitely continue to draw safety help on any deep routes, if he is one on one, more times than not the ball will be going his way.

If we still end up running majority 1 & 2 WR sets with all these guys and continue scoring no more than 17 points, I will end up saying something about our current decision maker that I would have never thought I would have to bring myself to admit.

[Parker]

i hope so! lets see some points :cheers:

[armada58]

While I certainly hope we get good things from Caldwell & McCardell, I'm not holding my breath. The simplest way to open up this offense is to START LETTING COOLEY RUN PATTERNS!!! We have our first truly mobile QB in some time (maybe ever). You would think we would stop game planning our blocking schemes as if Brunell/Collins/Ramsey were under center.

Get our highly paid, pro-bowl caliber TE down the field and forget about having him help Todd Wade. That should provide a good start in "Opening up the offense"

[BAFGA]

I think Caldwell is only on page 267 of the 700 page playbook. McCardell? He is still taking off the wrapper. the only play he knows right now is "go long".

[Shotgunner]

We need to score 27+ points each week. Especially against Detroit.

[[[ghost]]]

Not because of these two guys. Caldwell and McCadell aren't exactly teh game breakers of the league any more. I think we might find use for Caldwell in the slot, but otherwise, we'll still be an unpredictable offense.

[revallenjr]

There is no way this offense should be averaging 17.6 points a game. We have 2 1000 yard RB, 1000 yard WR, and 1000 yard TE.

A few flaws in that thinking:

1. Portis is our only legitimate 1000 yard rusher. Betts did his in the absence of Portis. You will not see two rushers rush for over 1000 yrds. Betts is more like a 300-400 yrd rusher.

2. Moss has only had two seasons of over 1000 yrds. Yes he is capable of those kind of numbers, but he is not a top of the line receiver. We don't have a true #1.

3. Cooley has never had a 1000 yrd season, the best he did was 226 yrds short. I agree that Cooley is decent, but I don't think he is worth the money that was just shelled out for him.

4. We pretty much have a rookie quarterback.

5. Two huge injuries on our OL has hurt more than we want to recognize.

[revallenjr]

I think Caldwell is only on page 267 of the 700 page playbook. McCardell? He is still taking off the wrapper. the only play he knows right now is "go long".

Well so far we have only seen pages 1-50 so Caldwell might be doing pretty good.:D

[LiveStrongSkins]

McCardell and Caldwell will sit and watch as we run 1 and 2 receiver formations all game until the last 2 minutes when we move the ball down the field during the only stretch in which we make an attempt to spread things out.

[Hogisme]

If Gibbs were to make this drastic move in philosophy, I would be surprised at giving his team the week off...unless opening it up was in the natural progression of the yearly plan of attack which all teams prepare

[KevinthePRF]

Hopefully Gibbs will finally give in to what the rest of the NFL has mastered and open up the offense. I would like to see more series like the one we ran in the last drive against the Giants, minus the horrible play calling of the last two plays. McCardell and Caldwell should, if Gibbs lets him, let Saunders get more four or five WR sets in like the Patriots. I know we have two of our starting lineman out, but that's okay because Campbell is an upcoming star and can handle the pressure. If we do this I know the Skins can put up 30 points because lets face it, no way our defense can hold the Lions to under 27 points, their performance against the Giants proved that.


I predict the Skins can win 38-27 if Gibbs stands the whole game like he does on our field goal attempts. We will lose 27-9 if he doesn't.

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

prob more of the same old crap.

indeed.

[tone_dubbz]

Are the Skins on the verge of opening up this offense?

I hope so. If not, then they'll just take up roster space like B.Lloyd.

[pjfootballer]

We have to. This is 2007. Not 1981. No more Riggo Drill. Let's go down swinging for craps sake. I'd rather go down trying than sitting on our thumbs. If JC is the real dea, the time is now.

[Idaho fan]

prob more of the same old crap.

I agree... I hope we are wrong and one of these two WR shines... But these guys are just another version of David Patten. :2cents:

What I mean by that is they have played some great football for other teams but will do little for the Skins.

[angel2]

I'm just wondering if Jason Campbell's learning curve is the stumbling block here and not the game plan.

[Stadium-Armory]

Wishful thinking. There's a reason those guys were in street clothes.

[Robbnva]

I am looking forward to seeing some 4 & 5 WR sets in the near future. No time like the present anyway. I can't be that hard for Caldwell and McCardell to start playing since all you do is run a route and catch.

[Vman2k6]

You know, i really dont think the additions of mcardell and caldwell were necessary, but they should be nice. I really hope we give BLoyd a shot at being the number 1 for at least 1 game while hes here, and get targeted a few times before people start passing judgement on him. The guy established himself as a playmaker out in SF, he must be able to produce, its not like he aged rapidly over the past 2 seasons and cant play anymore. Lets see what the guy's got, throw him a couple of balls, let him make a play.

[Maximus71]

Here is the plays designed for the lions:


1st down- Run
2nd down- Run
3rd and long 3 wide outs, short pass in the flats punt

2nd series

1st down- Run
2nd down and 13 Run
3rd down and long 3 wide outs, pass short of the first down marker by 6 yards, Punt

It doesnt matter if we had TO and Moss and Calvin Johnson, If the play calling sucks it wont matter if we have a 7 wide out formation, we are very predictable on O. I hate to say it but this could be a long day on Sunday if we dont put up 27 points.

[Robbnva]

Here is the plays designed for the lions:


1st down- Run
2nd down- Run
3rd and long 3 wide outs, short pass in the flats punt

2nd series

1st down- Run
2nd down and 13 Run
3rd down and long 3 wide outs, pass short of the first down marker by 6 yards, Punt

It doesnt matter if we had TO and Moss and Calvin Johnson, If the play calling sucks it wont matter if we have a 7 wide out formation, we are very predictable on O. I hate to say it but this could be a long day on Sunday if we dont put up 27 points.

DAMN that is the same plays for when Brunell was QB also. I sure hope the lions do not review any game tape or we are screwed.

[Idaho fan]

I was just listening to Redskin radio and Bram said that if Moss does not play this week that we will be going into the game with only one WR who even has a catch so far this year! That is just crazy! How bad do we need some WR help! I did not realize that Thrash nor Lloyd has a single catch yet.

[Veretax]

If we do this I know the Skins can put up 30 points because lets face it, no way our defense can hold the Lions to under 27 points, their performance against the Giants proved that.




I so vehemently disagree. They played At phily and only managed to score 21 points, and that was with Brian Dawkins out of the game, and lelo shephard too I believe. You trying to tell me that our secondary isn't better than the eagles with those two players out? Give me a break. Fletcher/Taylor/Smoot/Rogers/Springs/Landry et all are going to make a nice lion sized smear on Fed Ex's turf! :D hope the grounds crew is up for a little stain remover :D

[voicekiller]

I hope so... Jason Campbell has earned some leeway

[cyfar]

I hope it means we will have 4 WR packages with Moss, Randle-El, McCardell, and Caldwell.

Just think: Moss, ARE, McCardell, Caldwell, and Cooley all running routes at the same time. We could do some damage if we wanted to...

I've been holding out hope for something like that. We shall see.

[CBass1724]

It's funny. If we start throwing the ball around more, and there are too many incompletions, everyone will be crying how we don't pound the rock. If we run and get stuffed a lot, then people will be crying how we don't open up the offense. I don't care what we do, I just hope we execute what we do on offense and shut them down on defense.

[Horatio]

Half of these over-priced WRs will be sitting on the bench, prompting an article by the Washington Post about why they're even on the team since Gibbs doesn't know how to use them. What do we need McCardell for, when Lloyd is doing nothing other than collecting his paycheck??

[theTruthTeller]

Caldwell was signed to replace BL as the #3. McCardell was signed to have some sort of respectable backup help, and possibly in a four receiver set. I don't think it changes the gameplan at all. On the other hand, I disagree that the offense is as conservative as its made out to be on ES. What happened to all the excitement of getting back to JG smashmouth football? Did one loss douse that fire?

[Touchdown Redskins]

I hope it means we will have 4 WR packages with Moss, Randle-El, McCardell, and Caldwell.


Just think: Moss, ARE, McCardell, Caldwell, and Cooley all running routes at the same time. We could do some damage if we wanted to...

Key words: "if we wanted to"

That all depends on the coaches, and it looks like they haven't wanted to in a long time.

[moviedude25]

Are the Skins on the verge of opening up this offense?

I hope so. We need to open it up and get Cooley out in the pass or its going to be a very long season for us. The only way that we can get Cooley off the line is if the opposition plays the pass first. If we open it up then Cooley becomes a weapon again for us. If opposing teams play to stop the run first then he has to stay in and block for us and that means our second best weapon's neutralized. Our O-Line being hurt really hurts us.

I know some people would disagree that Cooley is our #2 weapon but in my eyes the players that must produce for us to win consistantly are:

Portis
Cooley
Moss

In that order.

Anyway, here's hopin!

[O-Dub21]

Adding the WR's is cool...but what we need to add/upgrade is our pass rush (D-Line). Kitna and co. will eat our secondary if he has time in the pocket :2cents:

[richhilljr]

Are the Skins on the verge of opening up this offense?



In a word, Yes.

[Seabee1973]

Well so far we have only seen pages 1-50 so Caldwell might be doing pretty good.:D


That must be Brandons problem being super smart and stuff he learned teh playbook faster than others and is now on page 473

[WorldBFree76]

I think we'll see better production from our 3 and 4 wide receiver sets.

[ffxfinest]

I hope it means we will have 4 WR packages with Moss, Randle-El, McCardell, and Caldwell.

Just think: Moss, ARE, McCardell, Caldwell, and Cooley all running routes at the same time. We could do some damage if we wanted to...

It's kind of hard to do that with our O-Line banged up. I think our main concern is providing good protection for JC. If he has protection he'll have more time, meaning he'll throw a more accurate pass. I think that's why they haven't really opened up this offense as much. They want him to improve a little more.

But that would be nice. Maybe 4 reciever sets and quick throws like slants and screens. They've worked before, I don't see why they won't work now...

[One Shot]

Coaches better open up the playbook this weekend and we'll find out. Notice how at the end of last season, when we were out of the playoff run, our offense really started to open up. I think it's because the coaches didn't think too much about the outcome of the game at hand, they just went out there and called the right plays, not thinking about what would happen if they lost.

[jaxskinsville]

Are the Skins on the verge of opening up this offense?

No, but they will probably be good for an additional 4 points per game increase in average.

Just enough to keep things interesting for the rest of the season.

[deejaydana]

If we're ever going to start throwing up serious points, Detroit is the perfect team to start with....they can't stop anybody. I want Gibbs and co. to let JC do his thing and throw, throw, throw. We really can't afford to lose this game.

[GOSKN5]

McCardell and Caldwell will sit and watch as we run 1 and 2 receiver formations all game until the last 2 minutes when we move the ball down the field during the only stretch in which we make an attempt to spread things out.


wow you suck..... only because you are right... i have that same feeling.. I hope I am surprised... but I dont see it.....

[tex]

...and a 500 yard scheme...
I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

[ST+LL=Area51]

If we're ever going to start throwing up serious points, Detroit is the perfect team to start with....they can't stop anybody. I want Gibbs and co. to let JC do his thing and throw, throw, throw. We really can't afford to lose this game.
This will be a ball control game. We will win if we hold the ball for 40 minutes or more. If we try and air it out against Detroit, we will lose. The Lions are built to throw the ball 40-50 times, we're not.

[box8276]

Do some of you seriously think Detroit cannot be shutdown? I watched that bears v. detroit game. The bears with half of their D on the sidelines, their whole secondary, held detroit to 3 pts. until the 4th. 3 freakin points and they were at home. If the bears even had a mediocre O that game would not have been close.

Detroit has zero running game. They are a terrible road team playing against a fresh D. I see no reason we dont destroy them. Plus i heard kitna has a partially seperated shoulder, could be out for a few weeks.

I am amazed at how many people on this site get so upset with the skins cause we dont put up 40 pts. a game. Seriously people, we have a winning record. While we had a bye several nfc teams have almost played themselves out of the season already. San Fran, Chicago, Eagles, Saints. Now these are teams whose fans have a right to gripe if you ask me.

[cphil006]

I think keenan McCardell will be a huge asset for us!

[Awgustlab]

I think we need to unleash the secret weapon this week:

"The SuperSmart Offense!!!!!"

We'll score 3 pts for sure, guaranteed and fight our guts out.

[Schoolmaster]

Here is the plays designed for the lions:


1st down- Run
2nd down- Run
3rd and long 3 wide outs, short pass in the flats punt

2nd series

1st down- Run
2nd down and 13 Run
3rd down and long 3 wide outs, pass short of the first down marker by 6 yards, Punt

It doesnt matter if we had TO and Moss and Calvin Johnson, If the play calling sucks it wont matter if we have a 7 wide out formation, we are very predictable on O. I hate to say it but this could be a long day on Sunday if we dont put up 27 points.


I have a little more faith in the FO than you do. I think they will 'open it up' a bit against the Lions. The thing is our new front four has had another week to look at film and practice. I look for Saunders to put three WRs and Cooley/Yoder (that makes 4) in play often. Both CP and Betts are good out the backfield also... so that makes 5. ARE is due for a gadget play.... Trust me, coming out of the Bye, the FO surely has got some stuff waiting for the Lions....

[whatmeworry]

It's funny. If we start throwing the ball around more, and there are too many incompletions, everyone will be crying how we don't pound the rock. If we run and get stuffed a lot, then people will be crying how we don't open up the offense. I don't care what we do, I just hope we execute what we do on offense and shut them down on defense.

Give this man a cigar.

[SKINS FAN #56]

...and a 500 yard scheme...

:laugh::laugh:

By the way, I used to live on 'tilly..some people still call it that, right? :silly:

[WSHRedskins3ATLBraves3]

Iwe could do some damage if we wanted to...

I think we are going to want to do some damage.

[Park City Skins]

Reading the latest blogs from the post, the signing of 2 receivers probably means that Santana isn't expected to play and that the Redskins need to fill that void plus one, just in case. It means the team is probably hoping to get someone out there to help ARE out there. Keenan may fill that role to some degree. He knows the offense and can possibly make an immediate impact.

[Brotherz]

The same way that the defensive pash rush is an integral component of the secondary's ability to cover their assignments, the protection and run blocking is an integral component of a play action passing attack. Wadini better hold up on that right side.

[Brotherz]

Reading the latest blogs from the post, the signing of 2 receivers probably means that Santana isn't expected to play and that the Redskins need to fill that void plus one, just in case. It means the team is probably hoping to get someone out there to help ARE out there. Keenan may fill that role to some degree. He knows the offense and can possibly make an immediate impact.

I agree. I don't think we brought Mcardell in to make us prolific (after all the guy was cut by two teams and sitting home and nobody wanted him til us). Santana is hurt.

[Walking Deadman]

Are the Skins on the verge of opening up this offense?

I would hope so....we're going to have to score at least in the upper 20's if we're going to beat Det.

[Skinz#28Rules]

"What was always amazing about Don is he was creative and will try anything--change the snap count and do stuff like that," Gibbs said. "Mike is probably a lot like that. He's not afraid to try something different, do something different. "Whereas most coaches--we're much more paranoid than that. We're afraid to try something like that. You have to know when you go up against him you're going to be tested because they do a real good job in what they do."


http://www.redskins.com/news/newsDetail.jsp?id=29858


From my take on it from reading the rest of the article, he's talking about how Martz is more aggressive with his play calling. I'm not trying to make a big deal about this or what not, but I don't understand, with the talent on this team that Gibbs would be afraid of opening it up more. I hate to say it but I doubt we're gonna see 4 wide receiver sets even with the addition of two wideouts, I mean I'd love to, but I think it's gonna be more of the grind em out games that we've become accustomed to.

I love Gibbs and have been a Redskin fan all my life but god I wish he would just stop being so damn conservative and realize that his coaching philosopy that worked in '80's and early '90's is hurting this team more than it is helping.:2cents:

[BAFGA]

Here is the plays designed for the lions:


1st down- Run
2nd down- Run
3rd and long 3 wide outs, short pass in the flats punt

2nd series

1st down- Run
2nd down and 13 Run
3rd down and long 3 wide outs, pass short of the first down marker by 6 yards, Punt

It doesnt matter if we had TO and Moss and Calvin Johnson, If the play calling sucks it wont matter if we have a 7 wide out formation, we are very predictable on O. I hate to say it but this could be a long day on Sunday if we dont put up 27 points.

This sounds eerily similar to when Brunell was behind center. I agree that campbell is a better option than Brunell, but was it ALL Brunell last year?

[Peregrine]

Its taken 4 years. If they havent opened it up by now, what makes you think all of the sudden Gibbs is going to get it? 4 years after this experiment began, he STILL took over playcalling duties in the second half last week. All of the sudden he finally gets it? I dont buy it. We dont even run 3 WR sets.