Lower Level Tix @ face value from the TO

[RFKFedEx]

I just got my third email from the TO in the last nine days advertising single game tickets available for the Lions game. So they really are that desparate to unload these seats. LOL!



However, this time the subject line reads:

"Lower level tickets available starting at $74".


I started this thread b/c this is the first time ever that I've seen the TO advertising lower level tix at face value. I know that single game lowers have been available in the past, but I've never seen them advertised like this.

I don't know about you guys, but if I were a Tailgate Club season ticket holder in the endzones, I'd be pretty pissed to read that single game seats are available from the TO at face value w/out the TG Club taxes. Some of the seats are in better locations than TG seats!

I'm not complaining about the fact that these seats are available, b/c it is nice for you waitlisters.

However, for a TO that heavily markets it's "extremely limited" seating on the high demand of it's tickets, I find it insulting to this loyal fanbase.

I know that it's all just marketing 101, but WTF?


The smoke and mirrors game of the season ticket waitlist and the supposed lack of availability for GA Redskins tickets is just comical to me.



HTTR! See ya'll Sunday. Can't wait. HTTR!

:cheers:

Mods, I know there was thread about single game tickets earlier in the week, but I just had to vent this time. I'm off of my soapbox now.
;)

[sikizler]

Shut up. :shutup:

[RFKFedEx]

Shut up. :shutup:

I've been monitoring this ticket market for several years so I'm pretty passionate about this subject.

I think you'd be pressed to find another franchise that BS's it's market like this one does.

[sikizler]

Why would the team not sell season tickets if they were available? Explain that to me. I get that they are pushing the tailgate and touchdown clubs, but I believe the tailgate club is sold out. It was in '05. Still, if they still had GA season tickets available a week before the 1st game, why not start pulling names off of the list then and cut your losses?

NFL rules mandate that a certain number of tickets are held for the visiting team. These are for the players' families and are available for the other teams to sell to their fans (see Redskins Travel). A team like the Lions probably doesn't have many fans interested in coming to DC for a game so it's hardly surprising that a higher number than normal would be returned. Because these are returned, why shouldn't the team sell them to their waitlist members? Fans who don't normally get to go to games have an opportunity to go, the stadium doesn't have empty seats and the team turns a profit. Everyone wins.

Even if you don't believe the magnitude of the waitlist or it's purpose, look at it this way. The waitlist is the team's mailing list. You might say there aren't as many people on it as they say but everytime you (re)post this thread, everyone knows what you are talking about so some people must be on it. It's like how you've never heard of anyone who owns a Britney Spears album, but she sold 1,000,000 records somehow.

[Chief skin]

I don't trust SNYDER in the least, sad day in franchise history when this piece of garbage bought the team

[RFKFedEx]

Why would the team not sell season tickets if they were available? Explain that to me.



Why does the TO have such a tough time pushing these "Extremely limited" single game tickets week after week if there are a 150,000 people waiting for season tickets?

Why don't the waitlisters want these seats? Lowers?

Why would the TO be giving all of these tickets to the opposition if they return them game after game?

These are million dollar questions I would love to ask Danny.

My explanation for it all is b/c the TO doesn't want to give every GA seat to hungry season ticket waitlisters b/c the demand for season tix will evaporate even more than it already has.

It's better to keep some seats unsold and/or empty than to further flood the market with a product that can already be had for face value in the secondary market. See Craigslist. Keep the waitlisters hungry by denying them of what they desire.

Besides, the unsold GA seats can be marketed on an individual game basis all year long through Stubhub, brokers, email solicitations, and finally... at the box office to walk up patrons on gameday.

Even if the single game seats don't sell through the above avenues, it's better in the long run not to flood the market with anymore season tickets than what's already available. This method may command a few less dollars on an annual basis, but you have to look at the big picture.

I know it all sounds crazy having lived through the glory years around here, but it's not like I'm reporting paranormal activity.
:laugh:

It's all theory, maybe not fact. I can't confirm it, but it's what I believe.

[Mark The Homer]

Yes, I have to agree with RFKFedex. Something is different this year. And it's pretty obvious to me that something is going on.

1) If you will examine the back of your tickets this year, you'll see that the language has changed dramatically. Now, it's perfectly okay to sell your seats at above face. Last year and years before it was not. Why would Mr. Snyder decide to change this so suddenly? This opens doors -- not only for the season ticket holders, but for the TO as well -- who are now in bed with stubhub. Coincidence? I think not.

2) What season ticket holder has 12 seats together in the same row on the 50? Not just for the Lions game, but for almost every game this season? AND is trying to sell them all on StubHub? AND is asking TOP DOLLAR, above and beyond the other sellers in that section?

http://www.stubhub.com/washington-redskins-tickets/?ticket_id=104798824

3) Who has a whopping 18 seats together in the same row in 105? Not just for the Lions game, but for almost every game this year. AND... (...see #2 above)

http://www.stubhub.com/washington-redskins-tickets/?ticket_id=104798819

http://www.stubhub.com/washington-redskins-tickets/?ticket_id=102120491

12 seats together. 18 seats together.

Look at the language of the comments in each listing of 12 seats in 428 and 18 seats in 105. See any familiarity? Short concise sentences. The use of periods. Note the capitalization of each word. And the term "Piggy Back." Do you think maybe the two sellers are the same?

Who do you suppose the seller could be?

[Octane67]

some tickets are made available to the team, opposing team and the players..... when they are not used they are turned in....

some are corporate holds.... (maybe even fed-x)

[chipwhich]

Who do you suppose the seller could be?

God? 9-11 theorists? :laugh:

[RFKFedEx]

I'm guessing that if one were to walk up to the TO on Sunday morning with a request for the "best available seats" in the upper or lower levels, tix could be had for purchase in section 428 or 105, perhaps at face value.

Why would any season ticket holder be selling all of those good seats together for every game on Stubhub?

Why would the season ticket holder keep the price so inflated while risking a non sale and/or a total loss from what they paid for the tix back in February?

Anyone ever attempted to sell their tix on Stubhub and discovered how difficult it is to recover face value for most games, let alone turn a profit?

Why don't any upper level GA's on ES ever report of getting season ticket relocation past the 10 yardlines for their longevity and loyalty?

Can't you hear the X Files theme music?



*Exclude SkinsNatsfan for relocation denial. I don't know how he got moved down to the 100 level from the 400s, but he's the only one I've ever heard about in the post y2k era.

[chipwhich]

Anyone ever attempted to sell their tix on Stubhub and discovered how difficult it is to recover face value for most games, let alone turn a profit?



Nope, but you can buy tix at the stadium 5 minutes before the game from a scalper for guess????

[RFKFedEx]

Nope, but you can buy tix at the stadium 5 minutes before the game from a scalper for guess????

Check the lots Sunday around 12:30 and hustlers will be practically giving away 400 level seats. Seriously, I was buying pairs last year for $20,$30,$40 for Car, Jax, even Philly. Pairs! They literally have handfuls of seats they can't sell. Many great lowers too!

Hustlers hang out just off of the FedEx ring road on the SW side near Morgan Blvd. and they're quite boisterous.

I'm just glad that Danny hasn't ruthlessly cracked down on these guys b/c they provide a great service that gets a lot of my people into the games for cheap.

Thank you Danny!

:cheers:

[RedskinsRoll05]

I don't trust SNYDER in the least, sad day in franchise history when this piece of garbage bought the team

Amen, Amen and Amen to that!

[mdskins75]

Check the lots Sunday around 12:30 and hustlers will be practically giving away 400 level seats. Seriously, I was buying pairs last year for $20,$30,$40 for Car, Jax, even Philly. Pairs! They literally have handfuls of seats they can't sell. Many great lowers too!

Hustlers hang out just off of the FedEx ring road on the SW side near Morgan Blvd. and they're quite boisterous.

I'm just glad that Danny hasn't ruthlessly cracked down on these guys b/c they provide a great service that gets a lot of my people into the games for cheap.

Thank you Danny!

:cheers:

Yep. I walked up to the stadium last year and got lower levels for half of what they were worth. I remember going to Carolina/Atlanta game and only paying $50 or $60 bucks in the parking lot. The demand for tickets isn't what it used to be.

[Mark The Homer]

I bought a pair last season on eBay on a Friday night before the regular season game Sunday. Seller was close so I arranged pickup. Tix were in upper deck sidelines about row 20. My total cost for the pair: $30

[Rocky21]

If you will examine the back of your tickets this year, you'll see that the language has changed dramatically. Now, it's perfectly okay to sell your seats at above face.

What season ticket holder has 12 seats together in the same row on the 50? Not just for the Lions game, but for almost every game this season? AND is trying to sell them all on StubHub? AND is asking TOP DOLLAR, above and beyond the other sellers in that section? Good catch on both Mark. That could only be The T.O. selling those tix on StubHub.

[Mark The Homer]

Good catch on both Mark. That could only be The T.O. selling those tix on StubHub.
I think so too.

[chipwhich]

Check the lots Sunday around 12:30 and hustlers will be practically giving away 400 level seats. Seriously, I was buying pairs last year for $20,$30,$40 for Car, Jax, even Philly. Pairs! They literally have handfuls of seats they can't sell. Many great lowers too!

Hustlers hang out just off of the FedEx ring road on the SW side near Morgan Blvd. and they're quite boisterous.

I'm just glad that Danny hasn't ruthlessly cracked down on these guys b/c they provide a great service that gets a lot of my people into the games for cheap.

Thank you Danny!

:cheers:

I would say based on my experience I could attend every home game, buy lower level tix for $50 a pair or under...

At game time the tix become worthless to the scalpers and they will take whatever you give them.

[TLusby]

I don't trust SNYDER in the least, sad day in franchise history when this piece of garbage bought the team

I guess because he runs the team like a business he is garbage! Snyder has built the most profitable franchise in sports. I would hardly call the man garbage! Look around Fedex Field in the seats and you will find some garbage.

[RFKFedEx]

Look around Fedex Field in the seats and you will find some garbage.

Why do you call our gameday patrons "garbage"?

Have you had a bad experience attending a game?

[AKM311]

Shoot, I don't see the problem. I am on the waitlist, and got those emails for the previous two home games. I bought lowers from the TO for face value. I was happy and excited because I didn't have to spend the 175 for each ticket that other sellers were selling them for.

[Hooterman]

There is no question that demand for single game tickets has waned a little bit. That has a positive impact for those of us waitlist fans who want to go to the game by picking up a scalper ticket.


I doubt very seriously in the conspiracy theories being pushed in this thread. You really think Dan Snyder is going to risk so much just to sell tickets over face? Heck, he's already getting a fortune for face value tickets.

For the poster who started the thread...they are just trying to sell unused tickets from the visiting team and the like. This isn't some new conspiracy tactic this season. I went to the opening game last year vs. the Vikings on a ticket purchased like this, and if I remember correctly I've gotten an email offer for every game since then. And I haven't gotten 3 emails in a week like you say you have.

[dockeryfan]

I've been monitoring this ticket market for several years so I'm pretty passionate about this subject.

I think you'd be pressed to find another franchise that BS's it's market like this one does.
Eagles waiting list. Razorgator scandal. Snyder gouges us, but Lurie blatantly lies to his fans, lol.

[RFKFedEx]

That has a positive impact for those of us waitlist fans who want to go to the game by picking up a scalper ticket.


I doubt very seriously in the conspiracy theories being pushed in this thread. You really think Dan Snyder is going to risk so much just to sell tickets over face?

For the poster who started the thread...they are just trying to sell unused tickets from the visiting team and the like. This isn't some new conspiracy tactic this season. I went to the opening game last year vs. the Vikings on a ticket purchased like this, and if I remember correctly I've gotten an email offer for every game since then. And I haven't gotten 3 emails in a week like you say you have.

As I stated earlier in the thread, I think it is nice for waitlisters have access to quality seats w/out having to pay broker prices. Not complaining.

What is Danny risking by limiting his supply of GA season tickets?

As I stated earlier in this thread, I believe that new season GA ticket accounts are being limited under stadium capacity in an effort to conserve and maintain long term demand from the waitlisters. It's not all about maximizing short term profits if you look at the big picture, say five years down the road.

Can anyone prove that all of these tickets are in fact being returned? I can't prove that they aren't, but show me some solid evidence either way and I'll be happy.

Single game tix have been available from the TO for years. However, the marketing efforts this season have reached new heights.

The TO has two of my email addresses on file. Two of the offers this week went to one account while yesterdays went to the other. I think they're spreading around the offers in an effort not to blow up anyone's box.

[RFKFedEx]

Eagles waiting list. Razorgator scandal. Snyder gouges us, but Lurie blatantly lies to his fans, lol.

Tell us more please. Havn't heard about this one yet. Doesn't surprise me though.

[TLusby]

Why do you call our gameday patrons "garbage"?

Have you had a bad experience attending a game?

I would say that 10-15% are so wasted that they view the urinal more than the field. The up and down 10-15 times a game becomes problematic to some of us fans that actually travel 900 miles to watch every play of the game.

[allwet]

The title of this thread is wrong. The lower level seats start at $129 which includes an additional $20 fee per ticket abover what season ticket holders pay. The upper level starts at $74 and includes a $4 fee per ticket abover what season ticket holders pay to my understanding.

[AKM311]

The title of this thread is wrong. The lower level seats start at $129 which includes an additional $20 fee per ticket abover what season ticket holders pay. The upper level starts at $74 and includes a $4 fee per ticket abover what season ticket holders pay to my understanding.

I actually got lowers to the Redskins/Giants game in section 118 or something like that, for $99 a piece plus the $20 on top making it $119 each.

Which is still not bad at ALL, considering usually it is $175 on criagslist and anywhere else you look.

[worstSeat]

I think you'd be pressed to find another franchise that BS's it's market like this one does.

Then every other team is leaving money on the table. Don't fault the businessman for running a business. Fault the lack of on-field success for the sorry ticket demand. The business side of the Skins is running *very* well. The football side? We'll see.


Who do you suppose the seller could be?

Very interesting conspiracy theory, and I think you might be on to something. Email JLC. ;) (no, seriously. I'd be interested to hear what he says)


Why would the team not sell season tickets if they were available? Explain that to me.

Amen. This visitor sell-back isn't by itself some sign of seedy front-office practices. The increased marketing of the visitor seats may not, though I'd tend to agree it's a distinct possibility, be a sign of reduced demand. It might just show an increased desire to sell 99.999% of those last-minute seats.

Why shouldn't the tailgate folks be mad?
1.) Because they get guaranteed tickets to Dallas, for one. I don't think I've seen an email selling visitor sendbacks for the Cowboys.
2.) Because they get the same seats game after game, which is nice.
3.) Because people from out of town who plan travel don't want to depend on finding tickets the week of the game. Etc etc.

If you check Dallas prices, they're expensive enough that buying season tickets and selling a few quickly gets you your money back and a good number of extra games to attend besides. Why read into an email subject so deeply? Ticket demand is down. What would you expect a business to do?

[WeThreeKingsRuleU]

The title of this thread is wrong. The lower level seats start at $129 which includes an additional $20 fee per ticket abover what season ticket holders pay. The upper level starts at $74 and includes a $4 fee per ticket abover what season ticket holders pay to my understanding.

You had better be right...if the face value is actually the $74 rather than the $129 that I paid this friend of mine...well, I guess what I am saying is somebody had better tell me if I am being ripped off

[Mark The Homer]

And I haven't gotten 3 emails in a week like you say you have.

RFKFedex is not making this up. I rcvd an email on Sep 27th advising me to "Hurry" because Lions tickets are available and won't last. Then I got another on Sep 1st. Another on Sep 2nd. Another on Sep 3rd. Another today. That's five. The last one included the words "LAST CHANCE." I betcha I get another one tomorrow. :)


The title of this thread is wrong. The lower level seats start at $129 which includes an additional $20 fee per ticket above what season ticket holders pay. The upper level starts at $74 and includes a $4 fee per ticket abover what season ticket holders pay to my understanding.

IMHO, those prices are perfectly reasonable. Since season ticket holders are forced to pay face for the almost worthless preseason games, a 20% or so markup reflects the true cost of regular season tickets to a season ticket holder. The markup may not be "face value" as printed on the ticket, but it is much closer to the true value as reflected in the cost.

However, the ironic truth is, a fan can get a much better value the week before the game by purchasing on eBay or other places. For example, the clubs on the sidelines are sold by the Redskins for about $8,200 per pair for the season. I picked up a pair in 322 row 19 for $312 for the Lions game. It's bargain city right now. The trick is, you have to make sure you are ticketless as kickoff approaches.

[RFKFedEx]

Just got my fourth email in 10 days for single game tickets available for Sunday.

Hard to believe that this "extremely limited" number of seats have now lasted 10 days.

The TO must have given Detroit and the media some 15,000 seats.

Even the waitlisters don't seem to want them.

[chipwhich]

Just got my fourth email in 10 days for single game tickets available for Sunday.

Hard to believe that this "extremely limited" number of seats have now lasted 10 days.

The TO must have given Detroit and the media some 15,000 seats.

Even the waitlisters don't seem to want them.

Too many tickets available outside.

[Grumpy Vet]

It is kind of sad how spammy the TO is becoming....I've moved them to junkmail in the filter b/c it is too much......

....sure we have tickets that need to be sold - and there is a waiting list of 85 trillion....unless you want to buy Club, Tailgate Passes, upgrade to season pass of "cold beers" for $9 a piece or buy a bunch of Gold plated Kangaroos....

What a mess.

[chipwhich]

It is kind of sad how spammy the TO is becoming....I've moved them to junkmail in the filter b/c it is too much......

....sure we have tickets that need to be sold - and there is a waiting list of 85 trillion....unless you want to buy Club, Tailgate Passes, upgrade to season pass of "cold beers" for $9 a piece or buy a bunch of Gold plated Kangaroos....

What a mess.

Don't forget the parking attendants... :doh:

[SKINS FAN #56]

However, this time the subject line reads:

"Lower level tickets available starting at $74".


Daaamn!

I checked last week and it was at like $120!

[sikizler]

Why does the TO have such a tough time pushing these "Extremely limited" single game tickets week after week if there are a 150,000 people waiting for season tickets?

Why don't the waitlisters want these seats? Lowers?

Why would the TO be giving all of these tickets to the opposition if they return them game after game?

Who said they are having trouble? I've seen posters here say they have bought these tickets.

See above.

It's an NFL rule, I thought we already went over that.

It's obvious that you know nothing about business and even less about sports business. A sports team's number 1 priority is selling season tickets. If they could sell these tickets on a season basis rather than bother with these emails, why wouldn't they? Say what you will about demand for tix and the size of the waitlist, but like I said before, the existence of the waitlist is not debatable. There is a waitlist and there are tens of thousands of season ticket holders.

[jabronijames]

Why didn't I get that offer from the TO???

[chipwhich]

Why didn't I get that offer from the TO???

Maybe they don't have your email???

They get your email when you sign up for the list (if you provide it), they get it from here, they get it if you order from Redskins.com, and probably stubhub.

[sikizler]

Yes, I have to agree with RFKFedex. Something is different this year. And it's pretty obvious to me that something is going on.

1) If you will examine the back of your tickets this year, you'll see that the language has changed dramatically. Now, it's perfectly okay to sell your seats at above face. Last year and years before it was not. Why would Mr. Snyder decide to change this so suddenly? This opens doors -- not only for the season ticket holders, but for the TO as well -- who are now in bed with stubhub. Coincidence? I think not.

2) What season ticket holder has 12 seats together in the same row on the 50? Not just for the Lions game, but for almost every game this season? AND is trying to sell them all on StubHub? AND is asking TOP DOLLAR, above and beyond the other sellers in that section?

http://www.stubhub.com/washington-redskins-tickets/?ticket_id=104798824

3) Who has a whopping 18 seats together in the same row in 105? Not just for the Lions game, but for almost every game this year. AND... (...see #2 above)

http://www.stubhub.com/washington-redskins-tickets/?ticket_id=104798819

12 seats together. 18 seats together.

Look at the language of the comments in each listing of 12 seats in 428 and 18 seats in 105. See any familiarity? Short concise sentences. The use of periods. Note the capitalization of each word. And the term "Piggy Back." Do you think maybe the two sellers are the same?

Who do you suppose the seller could be?

Haven't noticed the back of the tickets, but you're right about StubHub. This isn't new though. Ticket brokers have been getting on the waitlist for years and the team has never cared because a sold ticket is a sold ticket. Reselling of tickets (legally or not) creates more buzz and attention for the games. It's free advertising. The only difference now is that StubHub has gotten so big and they are a sponsor. My guess is that their sponsorship agreement gets them a certain amount of tickets to use at their discretion. I would think that the team tells them that they "prefer" that they not sell the tickets but they are obviously looking the other way. You would think they'd at least make it look like they were trying to be more discreet though.

[sikizler]

Why didn't I get that offer from the TO???

If you pm me your email address, I'll forward it.

[RFKFedEx]

Ticket brokers have been getting on the waitlist for years and the team has never cared because a sold ticket is a sold ticket.

If a GA season ticket holder can't get face value for their own seats in the 400 level, how in the world could a broker turn a profit by selling the seats they've acquired from the waitlist?

[chipwhich]

Ticket brokers have been getting on the waitlist for years and the team has never cared because a sold ticket is a sold ticket.

Ticket Brokers are not buying season tickets and reselling them. They get enough inventory as it is from fans trying to dump seats and they are ALWAYS left with tickets they couldn't sell.

[RFKFedEx]

It's an NFL rule, I thought we already went over that.

It's obvious that you know nothing about business and even less about sports business.

If they could sell these tickets on a season basis rather than bother with these emails, why wouldn't they?

There is a waitlist and there are tens of thousands of season ticket holders.

Please provide documentation of this NFL rule. Maybe some numbers would be nice.

I've stated that my theories are are not fact, merely speculation.

I've explained why I believe these tix are not being sold in season ticket packages to new GAs from the waitlist, I guess you didn't read that.

I'm not questioning the existance of a waitlist, merely the size of it.

Of course there are tens of thousands of season ticket holders.

[sikizler]

Please provide documentation of this NFL rule. Maybe some numbers would be nice.

I've stated that my theories are are not fact, merely speculation.

I've explained why I believe these tix are not being sold in season ticket packages to new GAs from the waitlist, I guess you didn't read that.

I'm not questioning the existance of a waitlist, merely the size of it.

Of course there are tens of thousands of season ticket holders.

I don't have documentation of the rule nor do I have any interest in tracking it down. I don't know the numbers either. I will say that I am not the only one who has brought up this rule in this thread or another similar one. The Redskins sell travel packages for away games so they have to get those tickets from some where. The University of Maryland's ticket office sells tickets to Maryland football away games. I also have worked in another sports league where a similar rule existed.

If you agree that there is in fact a waitlist and a large number of season tickets sold why do you insist that ticket demand has decreased? Even if it has, it hasn't decreased enough to eliminate the waitlist so why does it matter?

[RFKFedEx]

I firmly believe that the league has a rule requiring hosting clubs to provide tickets for visiting clubs and media. I don't doubt that the visitors and the media turn in the some of the tickets they don't want or need.

What I do doubt is that enough of these tickets are turned in to warrant multiple email solicitations when there are supposedly hundreds of thousands of individuals who would like to purchase season tickets but are unable to do so until their number is called on the waitlist.

[Grumpy Vet]

Don't forget the parking attendants... :doh:

Thank goodness chipwhich chimes in w/ her insightful comments again about how things are supposed to run at Fed Ex. Stay tuned for her next insightful drive by posting about how things should be in her world.

You seem absent from this thread:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213911

I'm guessing you are offering opinions about things you don't actually participate in from week to week and year to year like some of us. I'm there every week of a home game - every year. I've made the investment.

If you aren't there - and choose not to come to the stadium every home game - I'd suggest hopping off that sopabox.

Try not to be Pathetic. Try hard.

[Mark The Homer]

RFKFedex is not making this up. I rcvd an email on Sep 27th advising me to "Hurry" because Lions tickets are available and won't last. Then I got another on Sep 1st. Another on Sep 2nd. Another on Sep 3rd. Another today. That's five. The last one included the words "LAST CHANCE." I betcha I get another one tomorrow. :)Just a few hours after I posted this, I got another LAST CHANCE email. lol They couldn't wait until tomorrow. That's six emails rcvd so far and counting...


Haven't noticed the back of the tickets, but you're right about StubHub. This isn't new though. Ticket brokers have been getting on the waitlist for years and the team has never cared because a sold ticket is a sold ticket. I don't believe that brokers buy season tickets through the Redskins by going through the wait list. New seats off the waitlist suck and aren't worth the money they're sold for. Making a profit off a season's worth of those pathetic seats is out of the question.


My guess is that their sponsorship agreement gets them a certain amount of tickets to use at their discretion. I would think that the team tells them that they "prefer" that they not sell the tickets but they are obviously looking the other way. You would think they'd at least make it look like they were trying to be more discreet though.

No. Those seats I mentioned -- in row 10 of 428 and row 23 of 105 -- 12 together and 18 together -- the Redskins obviously made a conscious effort to clear those out in the previous few years. There is obviously a big money reason to create those huge blocks of empty seats. The Redskins would not just give them away to Stubhub.

Besides that, the huge blocks of tickets above aren't Stubhub tickets anyway. Somebody is selling them, but it's not stubhub or a seller on stubhub, and it's not any of the local brokers either. So if it's not stubhub and it's not a local broker, who else could it be?


Ticket Brokers are not buying season tickets and reselling them. They get enough inventory as it is from fans trying to dump seats and they are ALWAYS left with tickets they couldn't sell.Chip, I hope you mean brokers are not buying season tix by going though the wait list. Because brokers are certainly buying season ticket packages from fans and reselling them. Just peruse through a few sites and you'll see. It's pretty obvious.

[chipwhich]

Thank goodness chipwhich chimes in w/ her insightful comments again about how things are supposed to run at Fed Ex. Stay tuned for her next insightful drive by posting about how things should be in her world.

You seem absent from this thread:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=213911

I'm guessing you are offering opinions about things you don't actually participate in from week to week and year to year like some of us. I'm there every week of a home game - every year. I've made the investment.

If you aren't there - and choose not to come to the stadium every home game - I'd suggest hopping off that sopabox.

Try not to be Pathetic. Try hard.

You can insult me by calling me "her". Kind of goes with your other whiney complaints.

I have season tix and gave this weeks tix to ldysknzfn1 on this board. Do a search you might learn something. Why don't you give yours away sometime you can't make it.

I am there, I know how things are. If you don't like how things are...don't whine...suck it up and let your tix go.

No soapbox needed bro.

[chipwhich]

Chip, I hope you mean brokers are not buying season tix by going though the wait list. Because brokers are certainly buying season ticket packages from fans and reselling them. Just peruse through a few sites and you'll see. It's pretty obvious.

I meant they don't buy them by going through the wait list. you are correct.

I would venture to guess they don't buy them from owners either. I think fans try and get the brokers to sell their tix for what they can get...but I may be wrong.

Go to a company in md like stagefronttickets.com in laurel. I don't really know whether they buy them up front or not. I always assumed ticket owners just used them as an avenue to sell....but I may be wrong. They have a large selection. I would be suprised if they just buy a bunch of season tix.

:cheers:

[RFKFedEx]

It will be interesting to see how many email offers we get for single game tix to the Dallas, Philly and Chicago games in the days and weeks leading up to the games.

I'm sure we'll be baraged once again with multiple offers for AZ and Buffalo.

I'm guessing that we may get one or two offers for Philly and Chicago, but I won't be surprised if we don't get any for Dallas.

If no offers arrive for Dallas, it may be due to fact that the TO has already sold all of these non season ticket seats on Stubhub, broker sites, Ebay etc. over the past 8 months since the schedule was released.

The TO may throw in one email for a few available seats for Dallas, only to maintain the pattern of single game offers of these "returned tickets" throughout the entire season. You know those seats will go quick at face value for the Cowgirls.

[Rocky21]

It's obvious that you know nothing about business and even less about sports business. A sports team's number 1 priority is selling season tickets. I would hope a sports teams's # 1 priority would be winning (including the Redskins) but we all know they don't all operate like that.

From a financial standpoint, the Redskins like all NFL teams make most of their money from the league's national television contract first and corporate sponsorships and advertising second. Revenue from ticket sales is third at best.

[Mark The Homer]

I would venture to guess they don't buy them from owners either. I think fans try and get the brokers to sell their tix for what they can get...but I may be wrong.

Go to a company in md like stagefronttickets.com in laurel. I don't really know whether they buy them up front or not. I always assumed ticket owners just used them as an avenue to sell....but I may be wrong. They have a large selection. I would be suprised if they just buy a bunch of season tix.

:cheers:If you go to a site such as asc, stagefront, or everyticket, etc., you'll see the little yellow icon next to the tix at the top of the listing. Those are in hand. All the other tickets that show on the list are networked. The only sites I know of that allow fans to sell directly on their site are stubhub and ticketliquidators. And of course, ebay and craigs list.

I believe the brokers purchase and pay cash the majority of these tickets from the season ticket holders early in the year. This gives the season ticket holders a means to pay the season ticket invoice due in late March. When tix arrive in late July or early August, they're sent to the brokers.

The Redskins know this and aren't particularly happy about it. That's why the selling of complete season ticket packages is against the rules, per the agreement printed on the back of each ticket.

[RedskinPryde]

When Season Ticket waiting list is on a 30 year hold...You really dont have anything to ***** about especially when people that cant afford to wait on the list, let alone purchase Season tickets. Well take a good deal as it comes along...

[RFKFedEx]

When Season Ticket waiting list is on a 30 year hold...You really dont have anything to ***** about especially when people that cant afford to wait on the list, let alone purchase Season tickets. Well take a good deal as it comes along...

The wait list is roughly five years these days.

There is no charge or fees to be on the waitlist.

The tickets being offered at face value aren't even that great of a deal when you can buy tix in the parking lot for way below face value.

[hail2skins]

In a somehow related story, apparently Kansas City was on the verge of having its first TV blackout since 1990 as ticket sales for this week's game against the Jags have been slow. Apparently they sold enough by mid-week that the blackout was averted.

KC has been known for being a football-crazy town. If a blackout could happen there, could it also happen here?

[Hooterman]

It will be interesting to see how many email offers we get for single game tix to the Dallas, Philly and Chicago games in the days and weeks leading up to the games.

I'm sure we'll be baraged once again with multiple offers for AZ and Buffalo.

I'm guessing that we may get one or two offers for Philly and Chicago, but I won't be surprised if we don't get any for Dallas.

If no offers arrive for Dallas, it may be due to fact that the TO has already sold all of these non season ticket seats on Stubhub, broker sites, Ebay etc. over the past 8 months since the schedule was released.

The TO may throw in one email for a few available seats for Dallas, only to maintain the pattern of single game offers of these "returned tickets" throughout the entire season. You know those seats will go quick at face value for the Cowgirls.


I can't speak for what will happen this year, but last year I still got an email offer for tickets to the Cowboys game.

[Mark The Homer]

I can't speak for what will happen this year, but last year I still got an email offer for tickets to the Cowboys game.So did I. I believe they were all inferior OV type seats though --

I also noticed that the next day after those emails, seats started popping up on ebay with no mention of the OV (I'm not implying the sellers were the Redskins because they certainly were not). And people were paying top dollar for them -- over $400 a pair...

[Ruggala]

I randomly called the Ticket Office today and they actually had tickets for the Lions game this weekend. I was shocked!!! A number of tickets came back from the Lions and they have some pretty good seats still available. You can call today and order them or stop by the ticket office. I'm so pumped!!!! This is going to be my first Skins game and should be a great one!!!

[chipwhich]

I randomly called the Ticket Office today and they actually had tickets for the Lions game this weekend. I was shocked!!! A number of tickets came back from the Lions and they have some pretty good seats still available. You can call today and order them or stop by the ticket office. I'm so pumped!!!! This is going to be my first Skins game and should be a great one!!!

Is this a hoax?

[Ruggala]

Not a hoax at all my friend. I got two tickets right behind the Lions bench. If you don't believe me give them a call. 301-276-6050



I plan on yelling at Roy Williams all day so get some tickets and join me.........

[fuji869]

Man at times I still wish I lived in the D.C. Area! :doh:

[Hooterman]

So did I. I believe they were all inferior OV type seats though --

I also noticed that the next day after those emails, seats started popping up on ebay with no mention of the OV (I'm not implying the sellers were the Redskins because they certainly were not). And people were paying top dollar for them -- over $400 a pair...


You may be right...I can't remember. I do know from your posts that you follow the ticket situation pretty closely so I'd definitely take your word for it.

[DButz65]

Being behind the LIONS bench, you better wear sunscreen my friend, you will be in the sun ALL DAY.. just a FYI

[the burgundy and gold]

Is this a hoax?

no, i get an email every week saying that the other team gave some tickets back or something like that. I would definetly check it out if you want tickets.

[RFKFedEx]

Is this a hoax?

Or a Redskins TO intern playing the roll of the totally uninformed guy whose shocked to learn that he can have his way in those early 90s tv infommercials.


No worries Ruggala, we're not taking shots at you personally.

We're simply mocking the fact that this team brags of 30+ years of consecutive sellouts, a season ticket waitlist of 150,000, yet somehow plenty of tickets are available at the ticket office for every game.
:laugh:

Tix can be purchased for tomorrow’s game by calling the ticket office today. The email offer is totally legit.

Hope to see you there.

HTTR!

:cheers:

[RFKFedEx]

KC has been known for being a football-crazy town. If a blackout could happen there, could it also happen here?

I don't believe we're ever in danger of local TV blackouts here b/c a TV blackout would kill all legitimacy of the season ticket waitlist, and be a huge blow to Danny's marketing schemes in the long run.


I think it makes more sense for the TO to let seats go unsold than to report a non sellout b/c local TV revenue alone probably outweighs the revenue generated by selling every seat in the 400 level.


If 5,000 seats go unsold, it's less $ lost than the local advertising revenue generated from the million+ viewers in the DC market who will watch the game on tv.

DC is a much bigger market than KC and our spending power is tenfold.

:2cents:

[Ruggala]

Or a Redskins TO intern playing the roll of the totally uninformed guy whose shocked to learn that he can have his way in those early 90s tv infommercials.


No worries Ruggala, we're not taking shots at you personally.

We're simply mocking the fact that this team brags of 30+ years of consecutive sellouts, a season ticket waitlist of 150,000, yet somehow plenty of tickets are available at the ticket office for every game.
:laugh:

Tix can be purchased for tomorrow’s game by calling the ticket office today. The email offer is totally legit.

Hope to see you there.

HTTR!

:cheers:



Sipping on Hateroade. Fans like you are what is wrong with the Skins. Get a life....

[Ruggala]

The conspiracy theories on this board are worse then the JFK assassination!! All I know is that tomorrow is going to be a perfect day weather wise, they are celebrating Gary Clark by entering him into the ring of fame, and I have lower level tickets. I don't know about you, but I can’t think of a better place to be or thing to do. I just called and got some great tickets!

[Mark The Homer]

Sipping on Hateroade. Fans like you are what is wrong with the Skins. Get a life....


The conspiracy theories on this board are worse then the JFK assassination!! All I know is that tomorrow is going to be a perfect day weather wise, they are celebrating Gary Clark by entering him into the ring of fame, and I have lower level tickets. I don't know about you, but I can’t think of a better place to be or thing to do. I just called and got some great tickets!

Congratulations on your ticket purchase.

RFKFedex doesn't have to call for tickets because he already has season tickets. He goes to every single home game without fail, and he goes to quite a few road games as well. Fans like you who tell other dedicated Redskins fans on a Redskins public forum they are "...what's wrong with the Skins. Get a life..." is what's wrong with the Skins. Get a life.

[MarkB452]

The conspiracy theories on this board are worse then the JFK assassination!! All I know is that tomorrow is going to be a perfect day weather wise, they are celebrating Gary Clark by entering him into the ring of fame, and I have lower level tickets. I don't know about you, but I can’t think of a better place to be or thing to do. I just called and got some great tickets!

>> How much did you pay per seat and what section/row did you get?
Did they hit you with any handling surcharges, etc.
Hope you did not get obstructed view....... :doh:

I've been getting these emails too and though I already have season tickets, I have been passing the info on to my friends and I am getting tired of getting these notices 3-4 times every home game.

My other question is, why doesn't the ticket office try donating some of these tickets to charity and at least take a tax writeoff?

http://www.redskins.com/tickets/article.jsp?id=19039


I will say one thing though, this increased emphasis on selling every available ticket is helping to keep the attendance numbers up. If the team keeps playing well, we may very well break the single season home attendance record.