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tr1
October-4th-2007, 05:39 AM
By ERNIE PALLADINO
THE JOURNAL NEWS
(Original Publication: October 4, 2007)
http://www.thejournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/SPORTS01/710040398/1108

EAST RUTHERFORD, N.J. - For a while there, it looked as if the questions might actually disappear.

The completion average was up, at least close to the targeted 60 percent. The third-down success ratio was healthy and bolstered by a strong performance two weeks ago against Washington, the league's best third-down defense at that point.

So what was Eli Manning doing yesterday, answering those recurring questions about sagging completion rates and missed scoring opportunities as he pointed his offense toward the Jets?

Well, a quarterback doesn't have a second half like Manning did last week without raising some questions. Even Tom Coughlin stood aghast at the figures that came out of a 3-for-9, 22-yard post-intermission performance in which the offense converted one third-down chance against the vulnerable Eagles.

"Let's face it," Coughlin said, "two weeks ago in the second half alone, we had tremendous numbers on third down, period. It was a little bit of a startling setback to have the numbers we had in last week's game, so we focus on that."

All of which makes for more scrutiny of Manning, both from inside the meeting rooms and out. The last thing the staff wants is for Manning's stats to fall off the way they have the second half of the last two seasons. Such a nose dive at this point could lead to disaster.

That's why the alarms went off last week.

"We're always critical of ourselves," Manning said. "If you have a great game but one bad series, you always look at that series. If I can play better, I need to play better than I did last week. That's what I'm working on."

Not all the sirens were around him. Some big drops helped bring the numbers down. So did some bad execution in critical spots, such as a quick third-and-nine throw to Plaxico Burress on the first second-half series that zipped past the receiver 2 yards ahead of him.

Burress blamed his own mental error on that, a function of taking one backward step too many off the line of scrimmage. Burress said Manning has been on-target with most of his passes despite minimal time together on the practice field because of the receiver's sprained right ankle.

"Eli's doing a phenomenal job," Burress said. "It's up to us to catch the balls. We just have to help him out a little bit more."

Manning has been more accurate with his throws than any time in his career. His instances of outright misfires have been few.

That doesn't make everything better, though. The numbers have exited the neighborhood of the elite. His 81.9 passer rating puts him well below this week's opposite number, Chad Pennington, whose 105.8 places him fifth in the league. He has five interceptions, which almost neutralizes the seven touchdown passes.

He has tried to force some throws.

The Jets have just three sacks on the season - two by defensive end Shaun Ellis and one by linebacker Victor Hobson. It's a big reason they're looking into the abyss right now at 1-3. But it's also a reason the Giants and Manning must be wary of a possible breakout Sunday.

Avoiding that means hitting receivers against the blitz. It means no touchdown-depriving throws inside the red zone, where the Eagles' Omar Gaither intercepted him on a pass to Jeremy Shockey at the 8.

"I don't think about every play," Manning said. "We can play better as an offense, but at least we're winning.

"I've played better. We've got to get back to playing good football and winning games and not making tons of mistakes."

Winning makes things easier to take. But it doesn't eliminate the problems, like the drops that have kept his percentage below 60 percent since the opener.

"Certainly we want it to be better and we need to be better," Coughlin said, adding it's not just Manning's problem alone. "We need to eliminate the drops and we need to be a product of outstanding execution and poise, and the confidence that comes from being in the right place at the right time and the ball being delivered at the right time."

If he can do it this week, maybe the questions will go away.

Notes: Running back Brandon Jacobs returned to full practice and should be ready for the Jets game. Coughlin said he'd determine how Jacobs and Derrick Ward will split up the carries at the end of the week. ... The Giants waived wide receiver Anthony Mix and signed Domenik Hixon, a kickoff and punt returner waived by the Broncos on Tuesday. ... Defensive end Michael Strahan and safety Gibril Wilson sat out practice with, respectively, a sore knee and a hip injury. Strahan is expected to return to full work today. ... The MRIs on right guard Chris Snee's knee and cornerback Sam Madison's bruised right shoulder came up negative. Snee participated in limited practice yesterday and Madison took a full practice.

DWinzit
October-4th-2007, 06:08 AM
Eli has learned how to use his receiver's height to his advantage. Most of his completions have gone to Plax, Toomer and Shockey when they are mismatched with defenders. If he continues to throw jump balls his receivers win a large percentage of the time.

He still has the propensity to throw the 15 yard McNabbesque worm burners to the open receivers on the outside as well as throwing balls that lead one to wonder who the intended receiver could have been!

Although he is still along way from where the Giants envisioned him when acquiring, he is improving. Perhaps next years staff will be able to hone his skills.:whoknows:

Leonard Washington
October-4th-2007, 10:31 AM
i think he's improved this year.

Riggo-toni
October-4th-2007, 02:08 PM
Eli may not have the rating Chad has, but I'd take him over Pennington's noodle arm and frail body anyday.

boobiemiles
October-4th-2007, 05:12 PM
Bottom line with this guy is the Giants gave up a lot to get a "Peyton Manning", and so far Eli still looks like he was adopted.

Parker
October-4th-2007, 05:52 PM
he's improving even with a third string rb in the offense

FanboyOf91
October-4th-2007, 09:03 PM
He's doing pretty well this year, if you remember he doesn't have Tiki to depend on.

Inquisitor
October-4th-2007, 10:27 PM
"Eli's doing a phenomenal job," Burress said. "It's up to us to catch the balls. We just have to help him out a little bit more."

Manning has been more accurate with his throws than any time in his career. His instances of outright misfires have been few.

That doesn't make everything better, though. The numbers have exited the neighborhood of the elite. His 81.9 passer rating puts him well below this week's opposite number, Chad Pennington, whose 105.8 places him fifth in the league. He has five interceptions, which almost neutralizes the seven touchdown passes.

It's weird when you look at Eli's accuracy rating, to actually think he's been far more accurate this season than at any other time in his career. But it is true, and not so surprising when you actually watch the games, and listen to the coaching staff, and players take on what is going on.

Contrary to popular belief Eli has not been over throwing players this year, he's rarely missed badly on any passes this year that weren't a direct result of miscommunication. By missed badly, I mean throwing to empty spots on the field. He's also dealing with receivers that have dropped a lot of catchable balls this year, especially from Plax and Shockey. Plax is excused becuase he's been missing so much practice time you can clearly see he's dropping balls he normally catches with one eye closed.

He's admitted as much in recent interviews. He's rusty the first couple of quarters he's out there, which is amazing when you consider the man still has 6 TD's. Shockey has no excuse, for every good catch he's made this year it's almost like he has to nullify it with a bad drop. Toomer has been ok, he's starting to show his age a bit, we desperately miss the sure handed Steve Smith who was looking like a nice target for Eli before injury struck him down.

All in all, I'd say Eli is doing well, despite a lot of negatives working against him. He still has the shoulder afterall, he hasn't been making the type of great decisions we were seeing in the preseason and Dallas game. Some of the INT's he's thrown this year have reminded us of the "Old Eli" the one we hope is dead and gone, and will hopefully will never return.

We just have to keep plugging away, guys will continue to get healthy, we're getting big Brandon Jacobs back, which should really help to improve the running game, which will by extension help relieve the pressure on Eli. Just gotta look to improve week in and week out, win in the meanwhile, and gear up for that stretch run.

Dance04
October-4th-2007, 10:50 PM
He still needs to step up and become the unquestioned leader of his team. He always looks like a little boy with his tail between his legs. He has gotten better this year tho

KiwiSupaFlyNuka
October-4th-2007, 10:53 PM
Oh, Eli hasn't thrown for 350 yards and 4 TD's since 3 games ago. Boo-Hoo.

Earth to NFL world, he's not gonna do that EVERY game. God forbid he has a couple of average games. So long as the team wins, who cares?

NattyLight
October-4th-2007, 11:05 PM
Oh, Eli hasn't thrown for 350 yards and 4 TD's since 3 games ago.

Jason Campbell will not put a game up like this all season...but as we know, that doesn't translate into wins.

I think Eli has improved this year. But I thought he was awful preceding this year. He's responded to pressure and expectation well; nothing epic, but he's doing he good job.

Eli has talent, I think we can all agree with that. But he fails to have that inate ability to take the game over like his brother does. He fails to be "the smartest guy on the field" when it really counts. Not knocking against him or the Giants, not many teams have that gift.

I think the philosophy that Gibbs is trying to instill within Campbell (whether effective or not) is trying to be the (super) smartest guy on the field. 350yds and 3TD's nothing if you put up the L. Do the numbers help? Abso-freakin'-lutely. But when crunch comes to crush the score needs to be 'the other guys score +1'.

Is this working for the Skins? Let's see how we do this year, but my gut says unlikely. Can Eli be an uglier reproduction of his big brother? Let's wait until Coughlin is out of the picture and the Giants get some football smarts on the sideline.

KiwiSupaFlyNuka
October-4th-2007, 11:15 PM
Jason Campbell will not put a game up like this all season...but as we know, that doesn't translate into wins.

I think Eli has improved this year. But I thought he was awful preceding this year. He's responded to pressure and expectation well; nothing epic, but he's doing he good job.

Eli has talent, I think we can all agree with that. But he fails to have that inate ability to take the game over like his brother does. He fails to be "the smartest guy on the field" when it really counts. Not knocking against him or the Giants, not many teams have that gift.

I think the philosophy that Gibbs is trying to instill within Campbell (whether effective or not) is trying to be the (super) smartest guy on the field. 350yds and 3TD's nothing if you put up the L. Do the numbers help? Abso-freakin'-lutely. But when crunch comes to crush the score needs to be 'the other guys score +1'.

Is this working for the Skins? Let's see how we do this year, but my gut says unlikely. Can Eli be an uglier reproduction of his big brother? Let's wait until Coughlin is out of the picture and the Giants get some football smarts on the sideline.

Let's just put it this way....Had the Giants had a smidgen of a defense against Dallas earlier this year, they'd be 3-1 (3-0 Div.)

I would say this has nothing to do with Eli being a winner. I've seen alot of games where Eli would carry the team on his back and will the team to victory. He just happens to compile those stats along the way.

If the rest of the team can catch up to him (Ahem defense), that's when the Giants can be an elite team.

DWinzit
October-5th-2007, 06:25 AM
Let's just put it this way....Had the Giants had a smidgen of a defense against Dallas earlier this year, they'd be 3-1 (3-0 Div.)

I would say this has nothing to do with Eli being a winner. I've seen alot of games where Eli would carry the team on his back and will the team to victory. He just happens to compile those stats along the way.

If the rest of the team can catch up to him (Ahem defense), that's when the Giants can be an elite team.I do think Eli has improved and actually shown leadership qualities this season. And yes your defense has shown weakness, but where has Eli carried the team on his back to victory? Eli is no SupaFly!;)

KiwiSupaFlyNuka
October-8th-2008, 09:34 PM
Let's just put it this way....Had the Giants had a smidgen of a defense against Dallas earlier this year, they'd be 3-1 (3-0 Div.)

I would say this has nothing to do with Eli being a winner. I've seen alot of games where Eli would carry the team on his back and will the team to victory. He just happens to compile those stats along the way.

If the rest of the team can catch up to him (Ahem defense), that's when the Giants can be an elite team.


Gosh I'm smart.

Who woulda thunk that the Defense would finally wake up and shut down an 18-0 team with one of the most prolific offenses of all time?

Tom [Giants fan]
October-8th-2008, 09:53 PM
I have to read the dates on these right away. I was wondering what this thread was trying to accomplish. Didn't realize right away it was from a year ago.

Inquisitor
October-8th-2008, 09:59 PM
Heh, I like my post.

KiwiSupaFlyNuka
October-9th-2008, 10:24 PM
Inquisitor - Not bad.


Tr1 is proven wrong as usual.

Inquisitor
October-10th-2008, 12:20 AM
Yeah I counted about 16 cliches in my original post, but the Shockey comment was right on. Nullifying all those big drops with the absence of Jeremy, the offense has become far more consistent since the last game he played for us.

tr1
October-10th-2008, 05:26 AM
Tr1 is proven wrong as usual.

Trolling again? With ancient threads? :rotflmao:

Dude, I didn't write the article. Where was I wrong? You really aren't too bright are you?

:rotflmao:

I hope you Giant fans enjoy talking among yourselves.

:rotflmao:

Fred Jones
October-10th-2008, 05:50 AM
Gosh I'm smart.

Who woulda thunk that the Defense would finally wake up and shut down an 18-0 team with one of the most prolific offenses of all time?

Listen, just because you haven't taken your medication doesn't mean you have to bother us with your disorder.

There are other sites on the Internet to seek attention.

KiwiSupaFlyNuka
October-10th-2008, 07:00 AM
Dude, I didn't write the article. Where was I wrong?
:rotflmao:
You were wrong for posting such a ridiculous thread to begin with.

tr1
October-10th-2008, 07:06 AM
You were wrong for posting such a ridiculous thread to begin with.

:rotflmao:

We're 4 games into the season. You've beaten Cincy, Seattle, St. Louis, and a Skins' team with a new offensive scheme on opening night at YOUR house.

When Eli beats the pukes and Eagles at THEIR house, come back and visit.

I post articles to inform my fellow Skins fans about the fallibility of our division rivals.

I really don't care what you think about my posting habits.

:rotflmao:

Fred Jones
October-10th-2008, 07:50 AM
It appears that TR has picked up yet another stalker.

tr1
October-10th-2008, 07:53 AM
It appears that TR has picked up yet another stalker.

I guess someone has to pick up the slack...puke fans are so embarrassed by their team and owner, they're scarce this week.

:rotflmao:

Big Blue Joe
October-10th-2008, 08:20 AM
Yeah I counted about 16 cliches in my original post, but the Shockey comment was right on. Nullifying all those big drops with the absence of Jeremy, the offense has become far more consistent since the last game he played for us.That's not true. Eli's second worst game in 2007 came the week after Shockey got injured. Shockey's drops were massively exaggerated by Giants' fans. From year-to-year he dropped about as many passes as Witten, Gates, Winslow, and all the other decent TE's. IMO, Eli's improvement was due more to the improving health of his WR's(Plax healthy enough to practice, Toomer recovering from ACL tear, and Smith actually playing) which all started to happen around the time Shockey got hurt.

Inquisitor
October-10th-2008, 11:16 AM
That's not true. Eli's second worst game in 2007 came the week after Shockey got injured.

The Bills game? They were in the middle of a snowstorm.


Shockey's drops were massively exaggerated by Giants' fans. From year-to-year he dropped about as many passes as Witten, Gates, Winslow, and all the other decent TE's. IMO, Eli's improvement was due more to the improving health of his WR's(Plax healthy enough to practice, Toomer recovering from ACL tear, and Smith actually playing) which all started to happen around the time Shockey got hurt.It wasn't just the drops, there was the bad routes, the fumbles, the miscommunication and distraction of having to force him the ball so he wouldn't erupt after the game. The fact is this offense became more consistent after Shockey went down, there were a lot of factors for this, but there is way too much evidence which suggests this offense in more efficient without Shockey in the lineup.

CaLLaHaN
October-10th-2008, 11:38 AM
kiwi your a joke bro...

and im a giants fan

LOL @ getting called out badly on BBI

Dance04
October-11th-2008, 09:22 PM
i think kiwi has become the biggest troll here on ATN ever since the giants won the SB

Tom [Giants fan]
October-11th-2008, 09:44 PM
i think kiwi has become the biggest troll here on ATN ever since the giants won the SB

Even though he is a Giants fan, I agree. There are even troll Giant fans. They give us a bad name. :doh:

How about toning it down a bit Kiwi?

Dance04
October-11th-2008, 10:38 PM
;5668671']Even though he is a Giants fan, I agree. There are even troll Giant fans. They give us a bad name. :doh:

How about toning it down a bit Kiwi?

dont worry tom it doesnt reflect badly on you :cheers:

Califan007
October-12th-2008, 12:02 AM
dont worry tom it doesnt reflect badly on you :cheers:
I think it's impossible for anyone to reflect badly on Tom :cheers:...

tr1
October-14th-2008, 04:01 AM
Inquisitor - Not bad.


Tr1 is proven wrong as usual.

:rotflmao:

I miss Kiwi.