Trent Green carted off again

[TK]

Went to throw a block for his WR & took a knee to the head.


No other news at this time.

[SUSkinsFan]

I saw that, hope he is alright. Although if he has a serious concussion he might need to seriously think about retiring. He doesn't want to wind up like Troy Aikman.

[kevin11]

Gotta love Green's toughness. I saw that and he really should just retire.

[Bat~man]

yea hes tough , sad to see that , thing is he is a QB and QBs aren't usually good blockers and he shouldn't do that type of stuff , really sux to see that

[SkinsOrlando]

At his age if it's a bad concussion he needs to call it quits

[DCranon21]

I hope he's ok. Don't like to see that type of injury or any injury of any sort.

[Reic]

That is twice in 2 years. He should really consider retiring

Miami just needs to start Quinn.

Wait a second.....

[TXREDSKINS44]

Man this guy has got to think about retiring after this one.

[SUSkinsFan]

That is twice in 2 years. He should really consider retiring

Miami just needs to start Quinn.

Wait a second.....

Maybe Ted Ginn can strap on a playcalling bracelet and sling em downfield (if he's really fast he can throw then run downfield and catch his own pass)

[CTaylor42]

I wished Green would retire. He's going to get hurt BAD if he doesn't. I like the guy and would hate to see that.

[Destino]

I hope he's ok, I saw the play and it looked like it had to hurt.


Also, the phins should have kept Culpepper.

[One Shot]

That's a hard thing to watch, somebody getting carted off the field like that. I hope everything is ok.

[LongLostSkin]

definitely needs to hang em up.... the past couple seasons he really hasn't been effectively anyway.... it would be real sad to see him clinging around as a concussion waiting to happen for any longer.

[FanboyOf91]

Didn't the guy who hit him start taunting him as he was unconscious? (It was on the NBC halftime show)

[He Hate Me]

Didn't the guy who hit him start taunting him as he was unconscious? (It was on the NBC halftime show)

He stood over Green and was yelling at him for trying to take out his knees... I dont believe he knew Green was unconscious at the time, but I could be wrong...

[Toe Jam]

He stood over Green and was yelling at him for trying to take out his knees... I dont believe he knew Green was unconscious at the time, but I could be wrong...

That would be valid except that he kept talking about it as Green was being carried off on the stretcher AND was still raving after the game.

Idiot.

[sjinhan]

Didn't the guy who hit him start taunting him as he was unconscious? (It was on the NBC halftime show)


yeah I saw that... Although you dont want to see a player taunting another player that is on the ground but to be fair that happened like 4-5 secs after the collision. I doubt Travis Johnson really knew at that moment how serious Green was hurt.

Travis Johnson was pissed cause Trent did try to catch him at the knees. It could have easily seriously injured Johnson as well if you actually see the replay. Johnson got chopped block at the knees in the open field going full speed. The blow to the knee actually flipped Johnson over and he landed on his helmet first to the ground. Probably its just his natural reaction from the block when he got up. I dont think Travis Johnson was intentionally trying to taunt a man that was knocked out.

This is Travis Johnson's comment.


"The bottom line is, it was a malicious hit. It was uncalled for," Johnson said. "He's like the scarecrow. He wants to get courage while I wasn't looking, and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head. God don't like ugly, you know what I mean?

"My knee ain't never hurt like it hurt today," Johnson said. "If you want to hit me, hit me in my head, hit me in my chest, don't hit me in my knee. I'm trying to eat just like everybody else. So, to hit me like that, that showed me what type of man he was."

[He Hate Me]

That would be valid except that he kept talking about it as Green was being carried off on the stretcher AND was still raving after the game.

Idiot.

Ohhh, I was unaware of that... the guy is clearly a moron... just listen to his comments.

[sjinhan]

That would be valid except that he kept talking about it as Green was being carried off on the stretcher AND was still raving after the game.

Idiot.

Hmm where did you hear about him talking trash about Green as he was getting carted off?

And after the game comments, the reporters were drilling him about taunting while Green was down. Probably Johnson could have answered it better but I could see his point of view especially after see his name being dragged through the dirt for a play that resulted from Green going after his knees to throw the block.

[Toe Jam]

Ohhh, I was unaware of that... the guy is clearly a moron... just listen to his comments.

Yeah.

"I gotta eat like everyone else"

Okay man.. you DIDN'T get injured, you can STILL play, and the guy that went after you got carted off on a stretcher. Then you wanna bring God into it?

STUPID S***!

[Toe Jam]

Hmm where did you hear about him talking trash about Green as he was getting carted off?

And after the game comments, the reporters were drilling him about taunting while Green was down. Probably Johnson could have answered it better but I could see his point of view especially after see his name being dragged through the dirt for a play that resulted from Green going after his knees to throw the block.

It was on Football In America.

[sjinhan]

It was on Football In America.

I think they just showed the replay of him yelling at Green while he was on the ground. I dont think he was yelling at Green as he was on the stretcher. They showed him talking to his teammates (probably talking about what happened on the play) but he wasnt taunting Green while he was on the cart.

Like I said he probably could have answered the reporters better but come on Johnson was getting his named dragged through the dirt by the reporters.

[Barney B]

Here's the hit on YouTube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQhsrpAZ_a8

[DjTj]

I think they just showed the replay of him yelling at Green while he was on the ground. I dont think he was yelling at Green as he was on the stretcher. They showed him talking to his teammates (probably talking about what happened on the play) but he wasnt taunting Green while he was on the cart.

Like I said he probably could have answered the reporters better but come on Johnson was getting his named dragged through the dirt by the reporters.Yeah, NBC kind of spliced clips together to make it look worse than it was.

Johnson made the comments at his press conference, and if you see the block, it was clearly a low block ... it's the kind of thing that could have seriously injured both Johnson and Green.

Johnson stood over Green and taunted him after the play, drawing a 15-yard penalty. After the game, Johnson, a third-year pro from Florida State, defended himself, saying Green tried to injure him.

"It was a malicious hit. It was uncalled for," Johnson told reporters. "He's like the scarecrow. He wants to get courage while I wasn't looking and hit me in my knee instead of trying to hit me in my head.

"My knee ain't never hurt like it hurt today. I'm trying to eat just like everybody else. So, to hit me like that, that showed me what type of man he was." In the other locker room, the Dolphins questioned Johnson's character.
Also, Green was joking in the locker room after the game, so at the time of Johnson's interview he might have already known that Green was okay.

So, the sight of Green walking, talking, even smiling, in the locker room before he packed his bag to join his team on the trip home was a relief for everyone, including a winless team that needed some good news on another difficult Sunday.

"You're not happy about losing," offensive tackle L.J. Shelton said, "but just seeing him on his feet again that's a bright spot for us. We need one right now." A 57-yard field goal by Texans' kicker Kris Brown with one second remaining kept the Dolphins (0-5) from ending an emotionally draining day on a high note.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/dolphins/content/sports/epaper/2007/10/07/1008dolphins.html

[LongLostSkin]

yeah I saw that... Although you dont want to see a player taunting another player that is on the ground but to be fair that happened like 4-5 secs after the collision. I doubt Travis Johnson really knew at that moment how serious Green was hurt.

Travis Johnson was pissed cause Trent did try to catch him at the knees. It could have easily seriously injured Johnson as well if you actually see the replay. Johnson got chopped block at the knees in the open field going full speed. The blow to the knee actually flipped Johnson over and he landed on his helmet first to the ground. Probably its just his natural reaction from the block when he got up. I dont think Travis Johnson was intentionally trying to taunt a man that was knocked out.

This is Travis Johnson's comment.

That's messed up..... but what kind of block would he expect to get out of a QB? Green wasn't doing anything but playing hard, most QB's actually woulda just pretended to block but then whiffed.

[RenegadeTK]

Did Trent have an concussions before these last 2?

[*Connecticut_Skins_Fan*]

Time to Hang up the cleats and helmit!

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

As big as an advocate I am for the NFL being far far more careful with concussions, I have very little sympathy for Green. Travis Johnson is lucky he still has a career today. If he had been planted on the ground when Green put his helmet flush on his knee, that could have been the end of the line for him.

Green has suffered two horrible hits to the head in the last two seasons, and I still think that both are completely his fault.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

As big as an advocate I am for the NFL being far far more careful with concussions, I have very little sympathy for Green. Travis Johnson is lucky he still has a career today.


I don't think his intent was really to make contact with his knee. It looked like an attempt at a foot sweep but Trent being old and not so coordinated, he bumped helmet-to-knee. No one can honestly think Trent meant to hit his knee with his helmet. I don't even think he was intending to hit the knee at all.

That happens all the time when a running back gets his feet taken out from under him. On occasion, it gets closer to the knee than any of us would like.

[Stophovr6]

Imagine this scenario for a minute.

Travis rushes Green, trips on o-linemans legs and ends up in Greens knees.

How many yards penalty?
How many people screaming that Travis went for Greens knees and is a dirty player?
How much does Travis get fined by the NFL?

Green lays a dirty hit and all we do is excuse him because he's not trained to make a proper block? He clearly went to the ground to lay a chop block on him. The man has been playing football long enough to know what he was doing.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I don't think his intent was really to make contact with his knee.

99 percent of the time, I don't think any NFL player is trying to take someone's knee out. So, intent is really not an issue here.

The issue is going low on a block in the first place. If you do that, you have to know that you are risking severely injuring the person you are blocking.

And, to be completely honest, I don't know where I stand on eliminating cut blocks. But I do know that if a lineman had hit Green's knee with his helmet like that, we would be having emergency meetings in New York today.

[pjfootballer]

That is twice in 2 years. He should really consider retiring

Miami just needs to start Quinn.

Wait a second.....


You can go 1 step further and taunting at all whether he's awake or unconscious is a no no. Anyone else get a feeling Laron Landry will get a taunting penalty this year? I do. He ALWAYS stands over the guy he hits.


I don't know if Trent should come back from this latest hit. 2 times in 2 years carted off unconscious. Dude needs to retire while he still has most of his marbles.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

He's done.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3054843


Green to undergo further tests after suffering grade-three concussion

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Associated Press

DAVIE, Fla. -- Thanks to a conflict in sports schedules at the Trent Green household, his wife was spared the scary sight of him face down and motionless on the field in Houston.

When the Miami Dolphins quarterback was knocked unconscious by a severe concussion that could end his career, wife Julie was back home in South Florida at a tennis match with their children.

"She was listening to the game with an earpiece, but she didn't have to sit and watch," Dolphins coach Cam Cameron said Monday. "By the time she got home to see it, he was off the field, so that's a blessing."

Green's concussion was diagnosed as grade three, the most severe, and he'll undergo further tests to determine his future. He has been ruled out of Sunday's game at Cleveland, and Cameron declined to discuss the possibility the injury will force the 37-year-old Green to retire.

"I don't think we really know the full extent, because there are some ongoing tests," Cameron said. "Right now I just think there are too many unknowns."

Cleo Lemon, who replaced Green at Houston, will make his second NFL start against the Browns. Second-round draft pick John Beck becomes the backup.

The loss of Green is another blow in a season where little has gone right for the winless Dolphins and their first-year coach.

Miami and St. Louis are the NFL's only 0-5 teams. The Dolphins were beaten 22-19 Sunday on a last-second 57-yard field goal, extending their losing streak to eight games over two seasons, which matches the franchise record set in 1967.

"When you're losing, it's a struggle," kicker Jay Feely said. "It's tough to come in to work. It's tough to work hard. You find out a lot about the players on your team, because you see the guys who are going to quit, and the guys who are going to keep working hard."

The latest loss was mitigated by relief that Green wasn't more seriously hurt.

He took a knee to the head blocking 315-pound tackle Travis Johnson on an end-around, then crumpled to the ground. Teammates kneeled in prayer while medical personnel revived Green, and he was strapped to a stretcher before being carted away to a hospital.

But he flew home with the team, and Feely said it was difficult to tell he had been hurt.

"I was amazed at how well he felt and how coherent he was," Feely said. "He was talking the whole way on the plane flight home."

Still, Green's second concussion in 13 months leaves his return in doubt.

A severe concussion in the 2006 opener with the Kansas City Chiefs sidelined him for eight games. He considered retirement but said neurosurgeons and neurophysiologists told him he faced no increased risk of Alzheimer's or dementia if he came back.

Now Green must revisit the subject.

"Our medical staff is coordinating further evaluation and testing for me this week," he said in a statement. "I want to thank everyone for their expression of concern over the last 24 hours, especially my teammates and coaches."

Green joins a long injury list for Miami. Also sidelined Sunday was rookie center Samson Satele, and the Dolphins have yet to reveal the severity of his neck injury. Free safety Cameron Worrell hurt his shoulder, the latest injury at a position where Miami has started a different player every week.

The Dolphins gambled on Green's durability by giving the Chiefs a second-day draft choice for him in June. His play has been erratic this season, but his 14 years of NFL experience quickly made him a team leader.

Lemon acknowledged it was difficult being pressed into duty.

"When you see your guy down and not moving, first of all you have panic," Lemon said. "I said my prayers for Trent. After that you have to step up to the plate and lead this team."

Lemon's only previous NFL start came in the final game last season, when he threw for 210 yards and one score in a loss to Indianapolis. The Dolphins consider Beck their quarterback of the future, so Lemon's opportunity could be brief, even if Green doesn't return.

"Now we've got to see if Cleo has the 'it' we're all looking for," Cameron said. "The only way you find that out is to put them out there in pressure situations and see how they perform."