The Cowboys Aren't THAT Good!

[stwasm]

So says a Dallas fan in response to Dan Shanoff's daily column at www.danshanoff.com. The only reason I placed this in the stadium was because I thought Redskins fans would find the comment below interesting:


"Regarding the Cowboys-Bills game last night... I am a lifelong Cowboys fan, but I still think overall, this Cowboys team is not as good as everyone is making them out to be. It has the feel of those teams who really shouldn't be in the playoffs, but due to a weak division or a mathematical formula, they make it in somehow. The power rankings have had them in the top 4-5 teams all year, but I'm not seeing it. They may be one of the best in the NFC right now, but the Pats, Colts, etc., will expose their weaknesses."

Hmmmmm.

[Thanos]

I agree 100%.

[ffxfinest]

It was a close game and they're still 5-0. A wins a win...

[TennCowboy]

So says a Dallas fan in response to Dan Shanoff's daily column at www.danshanoff.com (http://www.danshanoff.com/). The only reason I placed this in the stadium was because I thought Redskins fans would find the comment below interesting:


"Regarding the Cowboys-Bills game last night... I am a lifelong Cowboys fan, but I still think overall, this Cowboys team is not as good as everyone is making them out to be. It has the feel of those teams who really shouldn't be in the playoffs, but due to a weak division or a mathematical formula, they make it in somehow. The power rankings have had them in the top 4-5 teams all year, but I'm not seeing it. They may be one of the best in the NFC right now, but the Pats, Colts, etc., will expose their weaknesses."

Hmmmmm.How are the Colts going to expose us?

The Pats and Colts are better than Dallas. No big surprise there.

[Walking Deadman]

They're 5-0 gotta give them credit for that.
But Buffalo with a rookie QB, a rookie RB and a D that wasn't considered much brought the Cowboys to their knees.

Are they good? Yes.
Are they the best team in the NFC RIGHT NOW? Probably.
Are they being way overhyped? Yep, especially Romo (he hasn't earned Favre status yet).
When will we find out how good Dallas really is? Sunday.

[GaryClarkFan]

Yeah, they may not be that good , but the bottom line is they won. We didn't think the Giants were too good either and look at what happened. I doubt very seriously that Dallas will be able to move the ball like they have against us. Plus, now they have to account for ARE, "Truck" Sellers and McCardell. I like our chances to OWN THE PUKES this year. HTTR!!!

[Craig]

Dallas is the best team in a weak NFC. They find ways to win. That's the sign of a good team.

[tr1]

So says a Dallas fan in response to Dan Shanoff's daily column at www.danshanoff.com.

Nice article...very true.

Unfortunately for us in ATN our puke fan base is unable to comprehend ANY criticism of their team.

Fortunately, there are some intelligent fans elsewhere.

[Henry]

They gift-wrapped 21 points to the other team and still won. Yes, unfortunately, they are that good.

[jnhay]

They gift-wrapped 21 points to the other team and still won. Yes, unfortunately, they are that good.
Luckily they were playing the worst offense in the league. If the Bills offense was worth anything they would have easily won.

[stwasm]

Yeah, they may not be that good , but the bottom line is they won. We didn't think the Giants were too good either and look at what happened. I doubt very seriously that Dallas will be able to move the ball like they have against us. Plus, now they have to account for ARE, "Truck" Sellers and McCardell. I like our chances to OWN THE PUKES this year. HTTR!!!

We took the Giants too lightly, especially in the second half of that game. Even Peter King, himself, said the Redskins should be 4-0 now, had it not been for their brain cramps in that half.

[BigRay]

Finally someone with some good sense everyone is not drinking that kool-aid:laugh:

[DRSmith]

We seen Romo can be rattled, so all we have to do is keep getting pressure and keep in a press coverage.

[monkforhall]

A win is not a win. You need to be a special team to go far in the playoffs. This team isn't that good and proved it last night. Romo is no where near the player people think he is. Bad news- They won, Good news- Redskins are a better team.

[monkforhall]

Dallas is the best team in a weak NFC. They find ways to win. That's the sign of a good team.

They didn't find a way to win anything. The Bills definitely found a way to lose. The Cowboys did everything they could to lose that game. A good team doesn't throw 5 picks and win by miracles against crap teams

[SkinsOrlando]

Had the Bills offense had any gusto the cowboys would have been blown out last night

[monkforhall]

Had the Bills offense had any gusto the cowboys would have been blown out last night


Cowboy fans know it. Hard game to swallow, but Romo sucks, that's the main thing!

[ABQCOWBOY]

They didn't find a way to win anything. The Bills definitely found a way to lose. The Cowboys did everything they could to lose that game. A good team doesn't throw 5 picks and win by miracles against crap teams

I don't really agree with this. I'm not saying Dallas played a great game by any means however, I do think that the Cowboys won that game. Buffalo didn't lose it. The Cowboys did execute when they had to. Buffalo didn't have a great game offensively but it could have been much worse. They turned the ball over only once and it didn't cost them. The Bills held the Cowboys to under 100 rushing. Romo did throw for yards but they turned him over 6 times. There special teams played well with the exception of the onsides kick and that was really more a result of an excellent kick more then anything. It's just that Romo made plays when he had to. Our Special Teams showed up big when they had to. I don't think the Bills gave that game away by any means. I think the Cowboys won it. At least, that's how I saw it.

If we play that way against a good team with talent, then we will be in trouble but that's not the Bills. I thought they played about as well as they were capable of playing. They just got beat.

[Henry]

In 2005, we beat the 5-11 Arizona Cardinals. We were out-gained that day by 70 yards even though we ran more plays. Our QB threw 3 picks. Thanks to a return man we picked up off the scrap heap playing the game of his life, we won that game by 4 points.

Does that win not count? Does that mean we weren't REALLY a 10-6 team? Does that make our 5-game win streak less valid?

C'mon guys. Every team and every QB has a bad day once in while. The good teams win anyway.

Dallas won anyway.

[Ellis]

I feel that the Cowboys are a lot like the Ravens of 2006. I don't mean statistically. I mean the general feel of the team. Sure there's great players, but the competition they have isn't all that great and there are times (like last night and a few more times to come) where a weak team can expose them.

We'll see how the rest of the season goes.

Buffalo REALLY surprised me last night. I'm still in disbelief that Dallas allowed themselves to get in that situation last night. It looks like Dallas skipped preparing for Buffalo and was looking at New England. Now with a short week to prepare, I don't see how Dallas could take the patriots... even at home.

[Riggo#44]

I don't really agree with this. I'm not saying Dallas played a great game by any means however, I do think that the Cowboys won that game.

You do not turn the ball over 6 times against the worst defense in the league, and require a miraculous 53 yard field goal to pull one out of your ass "winning the game." Buffalo SHOULD have won that game.

The excuse making and just complete delusion that "Romo made plays when he had to" is amazing. And the best part is you Dallas homers actually believe this crap.

Dallas got lucky. Period.

[RedskinsNation]

A win is a a win so they get credit for that.

But if anyone thinks they are UNBEATABLE then they are either extreme homers, blind, deaf or just flat out ignorant.

If the NO TALENT BUFFALO BILLS can play like that on defense than anyone can follow that blueprint.

If the Bills had any offense whatsover they would have won that game by double digits easy.

I would think the Pats will smoke the Cowboys this week....but u never know in the NFL these days.

[Xtreme Cowboy]

In 2005, we beat the 5-11 Arizona Cardinals. We were out-gained that day by 70 yards even though we ran more plays. Our QB threw 3 picks. Thanks to a return man we picked up off the scrap heap playing the game of his life, we won that game by 4 points.

Does that win not count? Does that mean we weren't REALLY a 10-6 team? Does that make our 5-game win streak less valid?

C'mon guys. Every team and every QB has a bad day once in while. The good teams win anyway.

Dallas won anyway.

Very good post! :applause: Lets just hope Romo's "bad day once in awhile" is just that...once in awhile!

[ABQCOWBOY]

You do not turn the ball over 6 times against the worst defense in the league, and require a miraculous 53 yard field goal to pull one out of your ass "winning the game." Buffalo SHOULD have won that game.

The excuse making and just complete delusion that "Romo made plays when he had to" is amazing. And the best part is you Dallas homers actually believe this crap.

Dallas got lucky. Period.

How do you classify that kick as miraculous when he did it twice? Once, I might call luck but twice? No, he kicked both of those right down the middle with room to spare. Folk has missed only one FG this year. That's not pulling one out of your ass. That's giving your kicker a chance and your kicker executing.

Would you then say that Miami should have beaten the Skinz earlier in the year because of a tipped ball and a miraculas FG? I doubt you would. It was no more miraculous then was the FG in the Dallas/Bills game.

[Riggo#44]

How do you classify that kick as miraculous when he did it twice? Once, I might call luck but twice? No, he kicked both of those right down the middle with room to spare. Folk has missed only one FG this year. That's not pulling one our of your ass. That's giving your kicker a chance and your kicker executing.

Yes I call it miraculous! Call it what you want. You can sit there and pat the Cowboys on the back for a "big win" and "making plays when it counts" or you can ignore the fact that the Cowboys turned the ball over 6 times to the worst defense in the league!!

It never, ever should have come to that.

Would you then say that Miami should have beaten the Skinz earlier in the year because of a tipped ball and a miraculas FG? I doubt you would. It was no more miraculous then was the FG in the Dallas/Bills game.

I'm sorry did the Redskins turn the ball over 6 times against Miami? I hope you stretched real well before attempting a reach like that, you might pull something. Give me a break.

As for Miami, Dallas wasn't exactly electric in that game either.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

You do not turn the ball over 6 times against the worst defense in the league, and require a miraculous 53 yard field goal to pull one out of your ass "winning the game." Buffalo SHOULD have won that game.

The excuse making and just complete delusion that "Romo made plays when he had to" is amazing. And the best part is you Dallas homers actually believe this crap.

Dallas got lucky. Period.


Lucky is just part of the game. Trust me, I know it was lucky...i watched it all unfold and could not believe my eyeballs when it happend. I litterally pulled down my pants and mooned the TV out of excitment to have won that game. But, how many teams can have a -5 TO ratio and WIN or even be in position to win. Buff played great Def but they just couldn't get it going on off. Dallas has played better each week on def and even though the Bills suck on off, it was great to hold that off to just 3 points....and by the way, Newman (even on a bad foot) is fast, but Evans is a freaking speed demon....did he run track. I know Newman did at K-State, didnt Evans run the 100 meter in college?


back to the point, Romo was like 11-14 in the last two drives and made some awesome throws, the one to Crayton and the 2pt try to Owens, and Owens just dropped it..........not to mention that was totally face garding and could have and prolly should have been a penalty for Pass Interference.

and TO sucked last night, but he was robbed on the catch on the sidelines, when he got one foot down then was pushed out...that could have and prolly should have been a push out catch, but its football man calls will not always go the way we see it.

Back to your point again....Dallas was freaking LUCKY, but dont you as a Skins fan wish Dallas would have passed on Folk in the draft and stayed with Gramatica, no way he makes that kick.....2 times no less!

[Riggo#44]

Lucky is just part of the game. Trust me, I know it was lucky...i watched it all unfold and could not believe my eyeballs when it happend. I litterally pulled down my pants and mooned the TV out of excitment to have won that game. But, how many teams can have a -5 TO ratio and WIN or even be in position to win. Buff played great Def but they just couldn't get it going on off. Dallas has played better each week on def and even though the Bills suck on off, it was great to hold that off to just 3 points....and by the way, Newman (even on a bad foot) is fast, but Evans is a freaking speed demon....did he run track. I know Newman did at K-State, didnt Evans run the 100 meter in college?


back to the point, Romo was like 11-14 in the last two drives and made some awesome throws, the one to Crayton and the 2pt try to Owens, and Owens just dropped it..........not to mention that was totally face garding and could have and prolly should have been a penalty for Pass Interference.

and TO sucked last night, but he was robbed on the catch on the sidelines, when he got one foot down then was pushed out...that could have and prolly should have been a push out catch, but its football man calls will not always go the way we see it.

Back to your point again....Dallas was freaking LUCKY, but dont you as a Skins fan wish Dallas would have passed on Folk in the draft and stayed with Gramatica, no way he makes that kick.....2 times no less!

That was a hell of a kick...both times.

And what the hell was Buffalo doing throwing the ball, within range for a 29 yard field goal? Run the damned ball up the middle, take 2-3 yards, make it an 11 point game. Dumb, dumb, dumb coaching.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Yes I call it miraculous! Call it what you want. You can sit there and pat the Cowboys on the back for a "big win" and "making plays when it counts" or you can ignore the fact that the Cowboys turned the ball over 6 times to the worst defense in the league!!

It never, ever should have come to that.



I'm sorry did the Redskins turn the ball over 6 times against Miami? I hope you stretched real well before attempting a reach like that, you might pull something. Give me a break.

As for Miami, Dallas wasn't exactly electric in that game either.

No, Washington only had 4 TOs against the Fins. No matter. I don't see it as you do. If you wish, you can view it as such.

In the end, good teams find ways to win. In the history of the modern era, there has only been one unbeaten team. That tells me that on any given Sunday, any team can beat any team. Good teams find ways to win and in the end, we're still 5-0, leading the NFC East. I'm happy for the win and am looking forward to playing the Skins.

[jnhay]

Lucky is just part of the game. Trust me, I know it was lucky...i watched it all unfold and could not believe my eyeballs when it happend. I litterally pulled down my pants and mooned the TV out of excitment to have won that game. But, how many teams can have a -5 TO ratio and WIN or even be in position to win. Buff played great Def but they just couldn't get it going on off. Dallas has played better each week on def and even though the Bills suck on off, it was great to hold that off to just 3 points....and by the way, Newman (even on a bad foot) is fast, but Evans is a freaking speed demon....did he run track. I know Newman did at K-State, didnt Evans run the 100 meter in college?



The Bills let them off the hook, plain and simple. I'm disgusted to say that was the definition of a clutch performance by Tony Romo the last two drives. He wasted a lot of time in the second to last drive not using timeouts correctly, but I also attribute that to bad coaching. On the final drive, he gets them into range on a long pass and spikes it with 1 second left only for it to be reversed because it was really dropped. Then he completes two passes in the last 14 seconds when the defense had to have known he was aiming for the sidelines.

I have to give Romo some credit for coming back, even though any other offense in the league would have been leading the Cowboys by much more. I am positive that their defense still sucks.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

That was a hell of a kick...both times.

And what the hell was Buffalo doing throwing the ball, within range for a 29 yard field goal? Run the damned ball up the middle, take 2-3 yards, make it an 11 point game. Dumb, dumb, dumb coaching.


:applause::applause::applause: right on Riggo, and the wr reverse on 3rd and 1 blew my mind....that was incredible. Two OLB's you do not want to run that play on is Merriman and Ware.......

I do like the rookie kicker....one ugly dude, but two nice kicks and a great on side kick. Although, Hurd's hustle made that play.

Can someone please kill TO for me, i can take his drops, i bet he past S.Moss in drops after this week. I know going into the game he was at 2 and Moss was at 4....but no matter how thay jusdge that stat, TO had atleast 3.......

[skinsgirl26]

Even if you didn't watch this game, but saw the score you'd still be blown away. Cowboys beating the Bills by only one point? Ha. Then again if you saw the game, you understand. It's just upsetting the Bills couldn't produce on their last drive and get the field goal.

Anyway, I think this showed us three things:

1.) TO still sucks and I can continue to happily talk crap about him. He didn't get the 2 pt conversion catch in the endzone and dropped what could have been a clutch first down catch. (Luckily for him, Folk can actually kick). Apparently he is still not the go-to-guy. I can only wait til he starts talkin smack about the cowgirls and romo and makes himself look like more of an idiot. Cheers to TO being a waste of space.

2.) Romo is overrated. Does he have talent? Obviously. Is he as amazing as everyone says? No. Look what happens when he gets rattled. 5 interceptions and a fumble. I realize everyone has bad games, but this just goes to show that if we get our boys in there and shake him up a bit, he's going to play like crap. He's still young and still very capable of making mistakes, people seem to forget that. (Though everyone still adores him. You know if Campbell threw 5 interceptions and had a fumble, God forbid, everyone would talk about how much he sucks and how it was a mistake to let him play.)

3. The cowgirls are beatable. If our D plays as well as we know they and our offense connects and puts some points on the board, we should see another W in our future. Not that it will be easy, it's just most definitely possible. =)

Now we just wait and see how they do against a super talented team next weekend.

[Riggo#44]

No, Washington only had 4 TOs against the Fins. No matter. I don't see it as you do. If you wish, you can view it as such.

What the hell are you talking about? Try two. Get your facts straight.

In the end, good teams find ways to win.

Keep telling yourself that.

[sacase]

The Bills let them off the hook, plain and simple. I'm disgusted to say that was the definition of a clutch performance by Tony Romo the last two drives. He wasted a lot of time in the second to last drive not using timeouts correctly, but I also attribute that to bad coaching. On the final drive, he gets them into range on a long pass and spikes it with 1 second left only for it to be reversed because it was really dropped. Then he completes two passes in the last 14 seconds when the defense had to have known he was aiming for the sidelines.

I have to give Romo some credit for coming back, even though any other offense in the league would have been leading the Cowboys by much more. I am positive that their defense still sucks.

I don't think they wasted time at all. I think they were planning on playing for the tie and they wanted as little time on the clock as possible. They had more than enough time to score since everyone knew they were going to throw the ball and they had three time outs to use. Clock management was perfect actually.

[ABQCOWBOY]

What the hell are you talking about? Try two. Get your facts straight.



Keep telling yourself that.


Relax dude.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29204&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2007&week=REG1

In the section where it says Fumbles, the stat line reads as follows.


Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
A. Randle El 1 1 0 0
M. Sellers 1 1 0 0
R. McIntosh 0 0 0 0
S. Springs 0 0 1 0

That along with the two INTs are how I came up with 4.

If that's not right, maybe you should write the NFL and tell them that they should try to get there facts right.

Not a big deal. If you say it was only 2, OK, it was only 2.

Either way, no matter how much you cry about it, we're still 5-0 and leading the division. No amount of whinning is going to change that. However, if it makes you feel better to cry about it, that's fine. It's kinda fun to watch.

:laugh:

[egtuna]

Since we can only compare same opponents, let's do that:

vs. NYG at home: Dallas wins by 10, Washington loses by 7
vs. Miami: Dallas wins by 17 on the road, Washington wins in OT by a FG at home

Dallas has won 3 straight road games, and Washington has played only ONE road game.

Dallas got lucky last night, no doubt. Romo was horrendous for most of the game no doubt, but EVERY QB has bad games. Tom Brady has thrown 4 picks in a game FIVE times. Romo ain't Brady, but no QB plays well every game. Romo also put the team in a position to win, as did the defense.

Skins fans want to tear down the Cowboys and Cowboy fans want to build them up. That's just our nature. The boys aren't as good as cowboy fans think, and they're not as bad as Skins fans think.

Dallas is definitely right now -based on record- the best team in the NFC. In 5 weeks they may or may not still be the best of the NFC, but it will be fun finding out.

[kmd24]

Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
A. Randle El 1 1 0 0
M. Sellers 1 1 0 0
R. McIntosh 0 0 0 0
S. Springs 0 0 1 0

That along with the two INTs are how I came up with 4.

If that's not right, maybe you should write the NFL and tell them that they should try to get there facts right.


If you look above in the team stats section, you'll see 2-0 for the Fumbles-lost line. Also, the play-by-play confirms that both fumbles went out of bounds and the Skins retained possession.

OTOH, I don't understand how winning at home in OT with a -1 TO margin against a (now) 0-5 team is better than winning at the end of regulation with a -5 TO margin against a 1-4 team. Not sure what Riggo is trying to argue here.

[doom44]

Since we can only compare same opponents, let's do that:

vs. NYG at home: Dallas wins by 10, Washington loses by 7
vs. Miami: Dallas wins by 17 on the road, Washington wins in OT by a FG at home

Dallas has won 3 straight road games, and Washington has played only ONE road game.


First of all...The cowpukes played a completely different Giants then we did. For one they made adjustments to their defense (Usi not having to cover). The Giants secondary is considered to be middle of the pack.

Secondly....The miami dolphins offense was so freekin bad during that game..they left their defense out on the field forever. Again a different team then we played...They were full of hopes..opening Day...we got their best shot.

Thirdly....They caught the bears in a week where 2 of their best DB's were hurt

Buffaloe's DB's are lower pack as well Ranked in the 20's against the pass.

Simply....The Cowgirls are so freekin over rated and ripe for the kill it aint funny.
This will be exposed when they play a real secondary this week. HTTR:dallasuck

[CM916]

My traitor sister who is the most knowledgable Cowboy fan I know said she is shocked they somehow won. "We're either that good or the Bills are that terrible," is what she said after I sent her my weekly taunting message.

[LD0506]

Yeah, yeah, a win is a win, nobody's going to take it off your record but y'all want to brag about it? That's the thing that makes people question your sanity.

JJ doesn't do his usual job of padding a ref's pocket and that exact same game gets played with evenhanded officiating? You're 4 & 1

[ABQCOWBOY]

If you look above in the team stats section, you'll see 2-0 for the Fumbles-lost line. Also, the play-by-play confirms that both fumbles went out of bounds and the Skins retained possession.

OTOH, I don't understand how winning at home in OT with a -1 TO margin against a (now) 0-5 team is better than winning at the end of regulation with a -5 TO margin against a 1-4 team. Not sure what Riggo is trying to argue here.


You know, if it was simply 2 TOs, that's fine. I'm just trying to explain where 4 came from. In all honestly, was not trying to stretch the truth. I honestly thought it was 4. No big deal really.

I'm happy we got the win. Not every game can be a work of art and after going for as long as we have without being able to pull these kinds of games out, I'm happy to see it. To me, it's not a sign of weakness. To me, it's a sign that our team is getting better. In past, if our QB would have folded like that, we would have lost going away. Last night, our team showed me that we can win in spit of Romo having a horrible game. We have enough talent to win with other pieces of the puzzle. That's a good thing IMO. Had we lost last night, that would have meant that we could easily find ourselves down to the Skinz, depending on what happens next week, in our own division. Now, even if we lose to New England, we are still leading the East at the end of next week. That was such an important win for us for a lot of reasons.

I guess I just see it in a different light, which is natural. I'm a Cowboy fan posting on a Redskins board.

:laugh:

[Ellis]

1.) TO still sucks and I can continue to happily talk crap about him. He didn't get the 2 pt conversion catch in the endzone and dropped what could have been a clutch first down catch. (Luckily for him, Folk can actually kick). Apparently he is still not the go-to-guy. I can only wait til he starts talkin smack about the cowgirls and romo and makes himself look like more of an idiot. Cheers to TO being a waste of space.


This is just my opinion but... I think that was defensive pass interference on that play. I'm glad it wasn't called, but that defenders hands were all over his chest before the ball was even near TO.

[Bacon]

How are the Colts going to expose us?

You've already been exposed. They will just tear you to shreds. There is a difference.

[Killerbo]

You know, if it was simply 2 TOs, that's fine. I'm just trying to explain where 4 came from. In all honestly, was not trying to stretch the truth. I honestly thought it was 4. No big deal really.

I'm happy we got the win. Not every game can be a work of art and after going for as long as we have without being able to pull these kinds of games out, I'm happy to see it. To me, it's not a sign of weakness. To me, it's a sign that our team is getting better. In past, if our QB would have folded like that, we would have lost going away. Last night, our team showed me that we can win in spit of Romo having a horrible game. We have enough talent to win with other pieces of the puzzle. That's a good thing IMO. Had we lost last night, that would have meant that we could easily find ourselves down to the Skinz, depending on what happens next week, in our own division. Now, even if we lose to New England, we are still leading the East at the end of next week. That was such an important win for us for a lot of reasons.

I guess I just see it in a different light, which is natural. I'm a Cowboy fan posting on a Redskins board.

:laugh:

Wow.......it's more like the Bills lost he game than you guys winning that game. Go on keep beating your chest and proclaiming loudly that your team is awesome....sure enough "comeback of the ages" is now being thrown around with a "Favre like performance from Romo leading his team back" :doh: ....the freaking Bills were the underdogs with like what -21 on the betting lines against them. You guys time will come when you will be put in your proper place in this division.....soon, very soon.

[dwdj75]

You've already been exposed. They will just tear you to shreds. There is a difference.

Well I for one hope for that matchup. :D

[Tom [Giants fan]]

That game made me just as mad as if the Giants had lost a game.

[Killerbo]

']That game made me just as mad as if the Giants had lost a game.

The bills are just ****ing pathetic ...a college team would have sealed that game in the 3rd quarter.

[Bacon]

']That game made me just as mad as if the Giants had lost a game.

You're not one of us, Tom, but you deserve your ranking. :)

[hail2skins]

Again, the Bears went to Arizona last year on MNF and played like crap throughout most of the game and still won due to some late Cardinal turnovers and some huge special teams play. And which team represented the NFC in the Super Bowl last year?

[Larry]

During dinner, I kept seeing SportsCenter beginning to hype the "Showdown in Dallas". (I don't blame them. If I was hyping a game next weekend, it'd be that one.)

One thing I kept seeing on the screen was "Tony Romo's stats for the last 12 games".

So I thought I'd do some research of my own.

For the last 12 games, Dallas' W-L record is 9-3.

However, I now present:

Romo's stats (last 12 games) against teams with winning records

W-L 2-2

Average passing stats per game:
16 of 27.2 (58%). 240 yds. (15 yds/comp. 8 yds/att.) 1.5 TD, 1.5 INT

Not exactly poor. (There's several NFL QB's who'd be perfectly happy with 60% completion.) (And 240 yds/game would make him #10 in the NFL right now, and I'm comparing him against QBs playing all opponents, not just vs. winning teams.)

But not exactly HoF numbers (yet), either.

[EverydayFan80]

Well as a resident qualified Cowboys fan, all teams go through games where they're supposed to win by a big margin and either lose or barely win. All QB's will have bad INT's but it's the sign of a real franchise QB when he can lead his team back down the field for the game winning drive. I will take the win but Romo has got to bounce back this week and the remainder of the season for that matter.

[AmishGangster]

You take a win any way you can get em'.

However, I can't see how you Boys fans can sit here and act like you're team has taken this giant step forward, winning a game against the Bills, who are probably the worst team in the league, in a game you should have won to begin with.

You would have gained more momentum, had you just beat the **** out of the Bills like you were supposed to. I think now teams see that you are vulnerable and that your Quarterback can be taken advantage of.

Your team took two steps backwards, in my opinion.

[skinsgirl26]

This is just my opinion but... I think that was defensive pass interference on that play. I'm glad it wasn't called, but that defenders hands were all over his chest before the ball was even near TO.


Hm, well I was listening on the radio (drivin back to school) and they didn't say anything about it possibly being pass interference. Unfortunate, but I'm going to plead ignorance as bliss and pretend I am unaware because :dallasuck

[AmishGangster]

Would you then say that Miami should have beaten the Skinz earlier in the year because of a tipped ball and a miraculas FG? I doubt you would. It was no more miraculous then was the FG in the Dallas/Bills game.

A big difference in the Washington/Miami game and the Dallas/Buffalo game is the fact that it was week one. Teams often struggle in weak one, and the players are just starting to get in sync with one another.

I'd be a little more concerned, had it been week 5 and Jason Campbell gave up 6 turnovers, that's just un heard of in the NFL!

[Riggo#44]

A big difference in the Washington/Miami game and the Dallas/Buffalo game is the fact that it was week one. Teams often struggle in weak one, and the players are just starting to get in sync with one another.

Not to mention Samuels, Moss, Portis missed most of the preseason, Kendall was brand new, and frankly Campbell did not play well. But they still didn't turn the ball over 6 times!

I'd be a little more concerned, had it been week 5 and Jason Campbell gave up 6 turnovers, that's just un heard of in the NFL!

There's no need to worry, ESPN is still on it's knees in front of Romo...

[Riggo#44]

Relax dude.

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/boxscore?game_id=29204&displayPage=tab_box_score&season=2007&week=REG1

In the section where it says Fumbles, the stat line reads as follows.


Fumbles FUM LOST REC YDS
A. Randle El 1 1 0 0
M. Sellers 1 1 0 0
R. McIntosh 0 0 0 0
S. Springs 0 0 1 0

That along with the two INTs are how I came up with 4.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=270909028
And I watched the game, so...

EDIT - oh and I just looked at the NFL boxscore. It says 2 fumbles, 0 lost. Better luck next time at making **** up.

If that's not right, maybe you should write the NFL and tell them that they should try to get there facts right.

Not a big deal. If you say it was only 2, OK, it was only 2.

So since they turned the ball over SO much, wouldn't that make JC a great damned QB b/c he got it done when it mattered?! :doh:

Either way, no matter how much you cry about it, we're still 5-0 and leading the division. No amount of whinning is going to change that. However, if it makes you feel better to cry about it, that's fine. It's kinda fun to watch.

:laugh:

Yep you absolutely are. Sing Romo's praises. That Buffalo game is a microcosm of Cowboys fans - Ignore the 6 turnovers, focus on the 9/11 drive. Sing Romo's praises.

Sing the defensive rating after playing an offense no higher then 16th including the 27th, 30th and 31st ranked offenses.

This team is known for starting fast. They always do. Let me know when they beat someone good.

But that's cool. Yes they are 5-0. Yes they have beaten everyone, well almost everyone (damn those pesky Bills and their staunch 31st ranked defense!) handily.

Cowboy arrogance, there's nothing like it.

[ABQCOWBOY]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=270909028
And I watched the game, so...

EDIT - oh and I just looked at the NFL boxscore. It says 2 fumbles, 0 lost. Better luck next time at making **** up.



So since they turned the ball over SO much, wouldn't that make JC a great damned QB b/c he got it done when it mattered?! :doh:



Yep you absolutely are. Sing Romo's praises. That Buffalo game is a microcosm of Cowboys fans - Ignore the 6 turnovers, focus on the 9/11 drive. Sing Romo's praises.

Sing the defensive rating after playing an offense no higher then 16th including the 27th, 30th and 31st ranked offenses.

This team is known for starting fast. They always do. Let me know when they beat someone good.

But that's cool. Yes they are 5-0. Yes they have beaten everyone, well almost everyone (damn those pesky Bills and their staunch 31st ranked defense!) handily.

Cowboy arrogance, there's nothing like it.


Try not to be an ass. I posted exactly what it said. I realize that it reflects 2 fumbles and 0 lost but in that same link, it says 2 fumbles and 2 lost as well. Better luck trying to pretend you have something relivant to say as opposed to just discussing the issue on merrit. Good Lord, could you be more adolecent?

Your obsession with JC is mildly amusing but the problem here is that it's severly miss placed. I like JC and I think he is going to turn into a pretty good QB for the Skinz. I guess that kind of leaves you holding your pud huh?

5-0 Riggo. It kinda sings yeah? In the end, that's what your left with and that's where this starts and ends. We are leading the division and no matter what happens this weekend, we will still be leading the division. Tough to get around that single fact but good luck trying.

[ABQCOWBOY]

A big difference in the Washington/Miami game and the Dallas/Buffalo game is the fact that it was week one. Teams often struggle in weak one, and the players are just starting to get in sync with one another.

I'd be a little more concerned, had it been week 5 and Jason Campbell gave up 6 turnovers, that's just un heard of in the NFL!

I see your point but the reality is that it doesn't matter how you win them or lose them. It only matters that you win. Personally, I don't think there's that much of a difference between 1st week or 5th week. The team you were playing was in there first week as well. The playing field is even in that respect. I understand what your trying to say but both teams played under the same constraint. Romo will have tough games, just like any QB will. That's part of playing an NFL season. It happens.

[pjfootballer]

Would you then say that Miami should have beaten the Skinz earlier in the year because of a tipped ball and a miraculas FG? I doubt you would. It was no more miraculous then was the FG in the Dallas/Bills game.

Actually the miraculous part was scoring 9 points in 20 seconds. The odds of getting the onside kick (batted 23 yards down the field), being able to run 3 plays (including the reversal) and hitting a game winning FG from over 50 yards (all in under 20 seconds) is miraculous no matter how you look at it. And I'll admit, when we blocked the FG against you guys last year, it was miraculous. I'll take it. So should you.

=ABQCOWBOY]I don't really agree with this. I'm not saying Dallas played a great game by any means however, I do think that the Cowboys won that game. Buffalo didn't lose it.

Buffalo had a chance to go up by 11. They called the wrong play. They had a chance to get an onside kick (which favors the return team 75% of the time) and had a chance to stop you from gaining any yards to set up a FG in under 20 seconds. Buffalo lost the game. Not the other way around.

[ABQCOWBOY]

Actually the miraculous part was scoring 9 points in 20 seconds. The odds of getting the onside kick (batted 23 yards down the field), being able to run 3 plays (including the reversal) and hitting a game winning FG from over 50 yards (all in under 20 seconds) is miraculous no matter how you look at it. And I'll admit, when we blocked the FG against you guys last year, it was miraculous. I'll take it. So should you.



Buffalo had a chance to go up by 11. They called the wrong play. They had a chance to get an onside kick (which favors the return team 75% of the time) and had a chance to stop you from gaining any yards to set up a FG in under 20 seconds. Buffalo lost the game. Not the other way around.

By all means, you take it and be happy about it. That's kind of what I'm saying. You can't look at one game and make any determination about a team. You have to look past that because every team in the NFL is going to have bad games, off nights, whatever. The trick is to be able to over come those kinds of nights. Last year, we beat Indy. There is no way, IMO, we were better then Indy last year. We were better that night but over all, we were not a better team. Because Manning and the Colts didn't play up to standards, does that mean Manning is bad or that Indy sucked? I don't think so. The reality is that your not going to be up for every single game in a 16 game season. The 89, the Cowboys won 1 game. We beat the Skinz. That year, we were nowhere near as good as the Skinz but for that one game, we were better. It happens.

I also don't really agree about your take on the Bills and how they called the game. I mean, yeah, I see what you are saying but on the other hand, on the first series of the game, on 4th down, they ran there punter on 4th down and got a 1st. I mean, there's no way you do that either but they did it. They were playing to win. You can't say that this call was bad if they basically made the same kinds of decisions on other calls and it was succesful. Basically, they played Balls out the whole game and that's what they believed they had to do to win. It's a relative thing IMO. I don't fault them for it. It's just what they believed they had to do.

[BAFGA]

I'm shocked that ESPN is pumping Romo up even after that atrocious game. They are calling him "The shining star" and everything. They are totally ignoring the 5 interceptions and 1 fumble lost. Can't they just admit that if Buffalo had any type of offense that Dallas would not have won?

[VA Cowboy fan]

The difference betwen the Cowboys and the Redskins right now is the Redskins gave away a game and the Cowboys have not..... plain and simple..Last week the cowboys never lead at all during the game but found a way to win at the end.....The Redskins had the giants wrapped up by halftime in that game and fell apart as a team just like the bills did last sunday.....That shows me that even when the Cowboys play bad they can over come their play and still eek out the win, the Redskins did not do that with the giants...sure they came close at the end of the game but failed...that is the difference I see betwen the two teams right now at this point in the season

[AmishGangster]

I see your point but the reality is that it doesn't matter how you win them or lose them. It only matters that you win. Personally, I don't think there's that much of a difference between 1st week or 5th week. The team you were playing was in there first week as well. The playing field is even in that respect. I understand what your trying to say but both teams played under the same constraint. Romo will have tough games, just like any QB will. That's part of playing an NFL season. It happens.

See that's where you are wrong. The playing field isn't even. Early in the season, the defenses are generally a step ahead of the offenses; most offenses don't start hitting on all cylinders until about week four or five, resulting in some misques early on.

Again, I'm not argueing that the win isn't significant -- you get a win any way you can. I just don't see how you guys are now a better team or there's no concern going on there. (<-- this one doesn't refer to you specifically, but to the Cowboys fans in general on this board). Usually, this is how big problems start, with games like this. In my mind, your team went backwards last week. That's not to say that a win against the Patriots couldn't change that, though.

Certainly you can see the difference in a week one game where one team physically dominates the other, but the offense isn't in sync yet; resulting in a tired and worn out team and win in overtime - to a game in week five, where one team gives up 6 turnovers -- has no reason at all to even be in the game; stays in it due to the other teams incompetance, then somehow comes up with an onside kick, and a 53 yard field goal to steal the win.

Cmon bro, these are two different games and situations.

[Riggo#44]

Certainly you can see the difference in a week one game where one team physically dominates the other, but the offense isn't in sync yet; resulting in a tired and worn out team and win in overtime - to a game in week five, where one team gives up 6 turnovers -- has no reason at all to even be in the game; stays in it due to the other teams incompetance, then somehow comes up with an onside kick, and a 53 yard field goal to steal the win.

Cmon bro, these are two different games and situations.

Shhhh, you're requiring him to think beyond his 5-0 little pet and look beyond his pretty little box score!

[ABQCOWBOY]

See that's where you are wrong. The playing field isn't even. Early in the season, the defenses are generally a step ahead of the offenses; most offenses don't start hitting on all cylinders until about week four or five, resulting in some misques early on.

Again, I'm not argueing that the win isn't significant -- you get a win any way you can. I just don't see how you guys are now a better team or there's no concern going on there. (<-- this one doesn't refer to you specifically, but to the Cowboys fans in general on this board). Usually, this is how big problems start, with games like this. In my mind, your team went backwards last week. That's not to say that a win against the Patriots couldn't change that, though.

Certainly you can see the difference in a week one game where one team physically dominates the other, but the offense isn't in sync yet; resulting in a tired and worn out team and win in overtime - to a game in week five, where one team gives up 6 turnovers -- has no reason at all to even be in the game; stays in it due to the other teams incompetance, then somehow comes up with an onside kick, and a 53 yard field goal to steal the win.

Cmon bro, these are two different games and situations.

No, I'm not wrong. Your contexting this incorrectly. I'm saying that certainly, there is a difference between week one and week 5 but, specific to the game, both Washington and Miami were both week one teams playing each other. You can say that there's a difference but you gotta play the schedule. The point here is that your not going to play every week at the top of your game. Every QB is going to have bad days. If you choose to believe that Romo is going to be a QB who throws 5 picks on a weekly basis, that's fine. That is your opinion and it is as valid as anybody elses. I don't believe that. I think he had a bad. That's all. In the long run, I believe Romo will have more good games then bad. His team believes in him and they play for him. I really can't ask for more then that from a QB. JMO

[ABQCOWBOY]

Shhhh, you're requiring him to think beyond his 5-0 little pet and look beyond his pretty little box score!


LOL.........

Nice to know that your so easily entertained. From her on out, I'll throw out a set of blocks with numbers and letters on them, set you in a corner and allow you to entertain yourself the whole day long.

:laugh:

I value what you bring to the discussion. Seriously.

[skinthemboys]

Well, I knew it would only be a matter of time before the real romo would show up. He caught me a bit off guard though, stinking it up this early, against the buffalo bills. I believe similiar games are just around the corner, and he will bring dallas down. And the T.O. show will begin. :D

[Riggo#44]

LOL.........

Nice to know that your so easily entertained. From her on out, I'll throw out a set of blocks with numbers and letters on them, set you in a corner and allow you to entertain yourself the whole day long.

:laugh:

I value what you bring to the discussion. Seriously.

:laugh:

You're a trip, I've acknowledged the only point you've made. Yes the Cowboys are 5-0. You only thing you ever respond to any of my point is "The Cowboys are 5-0." That's all you ever say.

Sing the defensive rating after playing an offense no higher then 16th including the 27th, 30th and 31st ranked offenses.

This team is known for starting fast. They always do. Let me know when they beat someone good.

But that's cool. Yes they are 5-0. Yes they have beaten everyone, well almost everyone (damn those pesky Bills and their staunch 31st ranked defense!) handily.

See, I can acknowledge the Cowboys are 5-0. You'd rather insult and me call me adolescent:

Better luck trying to pretend you have something relivant to say as opposed to just discussing the issue on merrit. Good Lord, could you be more adolecent?

And then ignore the fact that I so nicely pointed out for you that, yes, while the Cowboys have been playing very well, they have played an offense no higher then 16th including the 27th, 30th and 31st ranked offenses. And that 16th ranked offense hung 434 yards on them.

Rather you fall back to this fine nugget:

5-0 Riggo. It kinda sings yeah? In the end, that's what your left with and that's where this starts and ends. We are leading the division and no matter what happens this weekend, we will still be leading the division. Tough to get around that single fact but good luck trying.

So really, who's trying to bring something to the discussion here? You're just here to gloat, pretend to be objective by giving Campbell credit, but really, you're just like all the rest. You know nothing about football, you look at a box score and gleam from that all your information.

You never discuss anything or care to look deeper.

[AmishGangster]

The difference betwen the Cowboys and the Redskins right now is the Redskins gave away a game and the Cowboys have not..... plain and simple..Last week the cowboys never lead at all during the game but found a way to win at the end.....The Redskins had the giants wrapped up by halftime in that game and fell apart as a team just like the bills did last sunday.....That shows me that even when the Cowboys play bad they can over come their play and still eek out the win, the Redskins did not do that with the giants...sure they came close at the end of the game but failed...that is the difference I see betwen the two teams right now at this point in the season

I find it hard to believe that, had we switch the two teams in these games -- if you replaced the Giants with the Bills, and the Skins had a 17-3 that the Bills would have come back and beat the Skins. They simply don't have the offense to do that.

On the other hand, if we were to replace the Bills with the Giants, and Romo had 6 turnovers, I find it hard to believe that the game wouldn't have ended up being a blowout.

The Giants are a better football team than the Bills, so I think that saying this is the main difference between the Skins and Cowboys is ridiculous. If this is what seperates the Boys from the Skins, I feel very comfortable at where we're at this point in the season.

Come on man, the Giants could be contenders. The Bills on the other hand, are going to make a strong case for next years #1 overall selection.

[AmishGangster]

there is a difference between week one and week 5 but, specific to the game, both Washington and Miami were both week one teams playing each other.

Ok, I see what you are saying now, but I was mainly pointing to the fact that, coming out of a week one game and struggling on offense, isn't nearly as much of a concern as coming out of a win in week 5 in which your QB throws 5 pickles and fumbles the ball.

I just don't see the relationship between the two games, to me they are entirely different situations.

[ABQCOWBOY]

:laugh:

You're a trip, I've acknowledged the only point you've made. Yes the Cowboys are 5-0. You only thing you ever respond to any of my point is "The Cowboys are 5-0." That's all you ever say.



See, I can acknowledge the Cowboys are 5-0. You'd rather insult and me call me adolescent:



And then ignore the fact that I so nicely pointed out for you that, yes, while the Cowboys have been playing very well, they have played an offense no higher then 16th including the 27th, 30th and 31st ranked offenses. And that 16th ranked offense hung 434 yards on them.

Rather you fall back to this fine nugget:



So really, who's trying to bring something to the discussion here? You're just here to gloat, pretend to be objective by giving Campbell credit, but really, you're just like all the rest. You know nothing about football, you look at a box score and gleam from that all your information.

You never discuss anything or care to look deeper.

You should put this to violen music.

I know what your doing and it is fine. If you choose to believe I know nothing, that's also OK.

Tomorrow I'll bring different colored blocks for you. Good with you?

[SkinsFanAnt]

A win is not a win. You need to be a special team to go far in the playoffs. This team isn't that good and proved it last night. Romo is no where near the player people think he is. Bad news- They won, Good news- Redskins are a better team.

Agreed. We all know the Skins can put this pukes team away. We improved on many more factors than I think they improved. Week 11 baby....

[ABQCOWBOY]

Ok, I see what you are saying now, but I was mainly pointing to the fact that, coming out of a week one game and struggling on offense, isn't nearly as much of a concern as coming out of a win in week 5 in which your QB throws 5 pickles and fumbles the ball.

I just don't see the relationship between the two games, to me they are entirely different situations.


I agree. There is definatly a difference between week 1 and week 5 as far as team development and chemistry go.

To be honest with you, I am not surprised that Romo had a bad game last week against Buffalo. I mean, everybody in life was telling Romo he was the greatest thing since, well, since Favre leading up to that game. Lots of stuff going on that was not specific to winning a football game.

I'm a firm believer in the fact that in the NFL, any team can hand your arse to you if you don't come ready to play. Any team can beat you if you get caught reading your own press clippings. I think Romo got caught last week looking to New England. He didn't play well and it almost cost us. Now, fortunatly for us, the rest of our team picked it up and gave us a chance to win the game. Fortunatly for us, Romo got himself straight before the end of the game and made some plays for us. By no means was Romo the man against Buffalo but I do give him credit for getting himself back on track in that game.

If we had been playing a stronger team last week, we probably would not have won that game. However, I think you can also make the point that had we been playing a better team, Romo probably wouldn't have been looking past them. It is what it is. I'll take the win because that's what it's about. Winning is everything in the NFL.

This week will tell a lot about Romo and the Cowboys. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens regardless. I'd like to know how good we are and how far we have to go myself. It's always good to measure yourself against the best. To me, New England is the best organization in football right now.

[AmishGangster]

To be honest with you,

What do you normally lie? Nah, I'm J/k man had to do it :silly:

I am not surprised that Romo had a bad game last week against Buffalo. I mean, everybody in life was telling Romo he was the greatest thing since, well, since Favre leading up to that game. Lots of stuff going on that was not specific to winning a football game.

This week will tell a lot about Romo and the Cowboys. I'm looking forward to seeing what happens regardless. I'd like to know how good we are and how far we have to go myself. It's always good to measure yourself against the best. To me, New England is the best organization in football right now.

It's really all about momentum. That's why see see desperate teams give these better teams a run for their money. It changes week to week -- one minute a defense looks like it's one of the worst in the league, and then the next week they're shutting down a top flight offense. It has a lot to do with the parody in the NFL.

I don't necessarily think Romo was over looking his opponent, I just think when you allow a QB that much freedom in the passing game, or you let him take chances like that, when it's clicking he's going to have games to where he throws 3-5 TDs. When it's off (which in the NFL, the difference between a TD and an interception - can be a matter of inches -- you're going to see games where there are a lot of turnovers.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

It's really all about momentum. That's why see see desperate teams give these better teams a run for their money. It changes week to week -- one minute a defense looks like it's one of the worst in the league, and then the next week they're shutting down a top flight offense. It has a lot to do with the parody in the NFL.

I don't necessarily think Romo was over looking his opponent, I just think when you allow a QB that much freedom in the passing game, or you let him take chances like that, when it's clicking he's going to have games to where he throws 3-5 TDs. When it's off (which in the NFL, the difference between a TD and an interception - can be a matter of an inch -- you're going to see games where there are a lot of turnovers.

Romo just didn't look like himself the other night, he was pressing too much. I don't know if it was the VERY hostile atmosphere in Buf, or if Ms. Underwood p'd him off that day-but b/c Buf's back 7 was depleted, you KNEW they would play soft zones 99% of the time(which was why I was surprised how many times he got fooled by their "fake blitzes"). He just appeared his head wasn't in the game for some reason.

With that being said-I don't expect them to beat the Pats, but AT LEAST it's going to be the other way around this time-at TX Stadium, the crowd will be nuts, giving ALL the emotion to the Boys-so who knows?

[AmishGangster]

Romo just didn't look like himself the other night, he was pressing too much. I don't know if it was the VERY hostile atmosphere in Buf, or if Ms. Underwood p'd him off that day-but b/c Buf's back 7 was depleted, you KNEW they would play soft zones 99% of the time(which was why I was surprised how many times he got fooled by their "fake blitzes"). He just appeared his head wasn't in the game for some reason.

With that being said-I don't expect them to beat the Pats, but AT LEAST it's going to be the other way around this time-at TX Stadium, the crowd will be nuts, giving ALL the emotion to the Boys-so who knows?

They've got to lose eventually right? I think one of the NFC East teams will beat them this year, just not the Cowboys :)

[CowboysSaintsFan]

They've got to lose eventually right? I think one of the NFC East teams will beat them this year, just not the Cowboys :)

I don't know who plays on 11/18 Sun night, but it could very well be possible if our TX Stadium meeting could be flexed that day. I don't think anyone expected the Skins to be this good this year.

[ABQCOWBOY]

It's really all about momentum. That's why see see desperate teams give these better teams a run for their money. It changes week to week -- one minute a defense looks like it's one of the worst in the league, and then the next week they're shutting down a top flight offense. It has a lot to do with the parody in the NFL.

I don't necessarily think Romo was over looking his opponent, I just think when you allow a QB that much freedom in the passing game, or you let him take chances like that, when it's clicking he's going to have games to where he throws 3-5 TDs. When it's off (which in the NFL, the difference between a TD and an interception - can be a matter of inches -- you're going to see games where there are a lot of turnovers.

I tend to agree with you here. However, I will say this. Wilson is the QB coach for the Cowboys and that idiot managed to get himself suspended for being a dumbass. Not important other then the fact that it pisses me off. However, in the last couple of weeks, I've seen no less then 3 ESPN commercials and at least one other commercial that Romo was in and this is not local stuff. I guess my general feeling is that after 5 weeks without your position coach and as much time as Romo has spent on other things, it's just an indicator to me that he has not been as hard at work with the things that he probably should have been working on. Might not even be a matter of paractice time. You can spend 18 hours a day in the film room but if you don't know what you need to be looking for or working on, doesn't matter. QC was a perfect example of this. Cowboy fans would praise the fact that he would spend countless hours in the film room but the truth is that the guy wasn't smart enough to understand what he should be studying. Idiot is the best way I can describe the guy. No matter, I have feeling that Romo will be ready to play this weekend. Doesn't mean he will have a great game because NE can make good QBs look very bad but, I do believe that things will change in his preperation. Wilson is back this week and Romo will be focused . Just a matter of being able to provide time from the OL IMO.

We will see what happens.

[VA Cowboy fan]

I find it hard to believe that, had we switch the two teams in these games -- if you replaced the Giants with the Bills, and the Skins had a 17-3 that the Bills would have come back and beat the Skins. They simply don't have the offense to do that.

On the other hand, if we were to replace the Bills with the Giants, and Romo had 6 turnovers, I find it hard to believe that the game wouldn't have ended up being a blowout.

The Giants are a better football team than the Bills, so I think that saying this is the main difference between the Skins and Cowboys is ridiculous. If this is what seperates the Boys from the Skins, I feel very comfortable at where we're at this point in the season.

Come on man, the Giants could be contenders. The Bills on the other hand, are going to make a strong case for next years #1 overall selection.


I dont see that, the skins are a better team than the giants but they let that game get away,(call it a bad game) sure the cowboys had a bad game also against the bills but was able to find a way to win....
Yes I am a Cowboy fan but not a homer as you think, I watch as many or more Redskin games than I do cowboy games because the skins are on local tv every week and football is football so I watch whoever is on tv....

What I see in the Redskins is that they do seem to be in alot of close games but they lose many more of the close games then they win....Last year they only won 1 game where the final score was 3 points or less, but they lost 4 of those games in fact it was 5 if you count the loss in OT which the game ended by losing by a TD....So last years 5-11 could of been 10-6 and playoff bound.........
This is the problem I see with the Skins, they need to learn to put these teams away (because they have the players to do it) but they seem to play not to lose instead of playing to win, I dont know if this is a play calling problem or not being able to make adjustments during the game or what...

I was surprised to see the number of points they put up last week, (because the redskins are not known for putting up that many points...they only had 2 games last year where they put up more than 30).....was last weeks game just a fluke or is this a new trend of the skins...if this is a new trend then they will be a threat to the rest of the league. if not then can you really expect much better than last years record...With Greenbay this weekend skin fans better hope its a trend because if they play this week again not trying to lose they could get in trouble again because there is a QB with the #4 on his back that will give you 60 minutes of no quit football

[dfos81]

I dont see that, the skins are a better team than the giants but they let that game get away,(call it a bad game) sure the cowboys had a bad game also against the bills but was able to find a way to win....

Stopped reading after that b/c the Giants are just a lil bit better than the Bills(especially better than the Bills if you look at how many players the Bills had out). Anyway, Dalllas fans belive this is finally the year they can win that elusive playoff game. I belive Romo will keep that from coming true. Just my :2cents:

[thesubmittedone]

In 2005, we beat the 5-11 Arizona Cardinals. We were out-gained that day by 70 yards even though we ran more plays. Our QB threw 3 picks. Thanks to a return man we picked up off the scrap heap playing the game of his life, we won that game by 4 points.

Does that win not count? Does that mean we weren't REALLY a 10-6 team? Does that make our 5-game win streak less valid?

C'mon guys. Every team and every QB has a bad day once in while. The good teams win anyway.

Dallas won anyway.


You forgot to mention how many turnovers we got from the Cardinals though. Oh, and three interceptions does not equal five. Especially when the Bills weren't giving up the ball like that themselves. They just lost that game with a totally inept offense that couldn't move the ball against a college team. It was pathetic. :doh:

[THEHEREAFTER]

. Bad news- They won, Good news- Redskins are a better team.

Is your evidence based upon our common opponents this season?

[Staylorfan021]

when the Bills take you to the final play, your not that good

[ABQCOWBOY]

when the Bills take you to the final play, your not that good

You had better hope so. We will see you twice.

[AzSkinsFan63]

The Bottom line is the Cowboys needed 60 minutes and at least 5 seconds to beat the Bills??

[tr1]

The pukes got a one point lead over the statistically worst team in the NFL...doesn't sound like an elite team performance.

[swisha]

If the Redskins were 5-0 and played a game just like the Cowboys and we're ranked top 4-5, no one in this forum would think we're overrated. It's just how most fans think. I think we'll see how really good they are after next week, as well we'll see how good the Redskins are.

[Romo the Great]

In the NFL, you just don't go 5-0 without doing something right. Cowboys are the best team in the NFC lead by the best QB in the NFC right now.

[SkinsHokieFan]

In the NFL, you just don't go 5-0 without doing something right. Cowboys are the best team in the NFC lead by the best QB in the NFC right now.

Sort of like Rex Grossman was the best QB in the NFC at this point last year? :laugh:

[SkinsHokieFan]

If the Redskins were 5-0 and played a game just like the Cowboys and we're ranked top 4-5, no one in this forum would think we're overrated. It's just how most fans think. I think we'll see how really good they are after next week, as well we'll see how good the Redskins are.

Since when do we rank teams in the NFL? I thought that was college

[swisha]

Since when do we rank teams in the NFL? I thought that was college
It's called power rank - he was talking about in the first post.

[SkinsHokieFan]

It's called power rank - he was talking about in the first post.

What does that even matter? Power rankings? Good lord, I look for playoff and superbowl wins, not power rankings

The way Redskins fans have crowned the Cowgirls is embarrassing

[Romo the Great]

Sort of like Rex Grossman was the best QB in the NFC at this point last year? :laugh:

It's not accurate to compare Romo to Grossman.

Grossman was leading a run first offense, while Romo is leading a juggernauth offense.

Bears asked Grossman not to lose games. Romo is being asked to win games.

If the Cowboys played an NFL team last monday, and with the way Romo performed, we would lose. Thank god we played the Bills.

That just goes to show you that Romo is a vital part of the Cowboys offense and without him, we'd lose a lot of games... unless we're playing the Bills every week...

:cool:

[Davidmore27]

Give me a break the cowboys are way over rated. Lets see what they do against a real NFL defence this weekend. Your so called best quarterback in the NFC just had his lunch handed to him by a defense that is down to playing 3rd string players. And your defence will get smoked by Brady and moss you can not guard the deep ball your secondary is very week and will be picked apart by a good quarterback and wide receiver corp. So far the cowboys defense has only faced one real offence and that was the giants. Yes you won the game but the giants put up a ton of points on you. This weekend should be a reality check for the cowboys and there fans they are not as good as you think they are.:dallasuck

[swisha]

What does that even matter? Power rankings? Good lord, I look for playoff and superbowl wins, not power rankings

The way Redskins fans have crowned the Cowgirls is embarrassing

Uh, people are saying the Cowboys are overrated BASED on the power rankings - they should not be in the top 4-5. Get with the program man.

And I was not crowning them, I was saying from a football fan perspective, it's natural for fans to feel what the Cowboys fans are feeling. But after next week, it will all be clearer.

[NewBlood81]

If the Redskins were 5-0 and played a game just like the Cowboys and we're ranked top 4-5, no one in this forum would think we're overrated. It's just how most fans think. I think we'll see how really good they are after next week, as well we'll see how good the Redskins are.

Yea but I would be worried as sh*t right about now. Go look at Cowboyszone.com right now. They even go as far as calling the Patriot overrated and beat them handily. There is realism then there is 'Puke fans.

[NewBlood81]

Sort of like Rex Grossman was the best QB in the NFC at this point last year? :laugh:

Yea people seem to forget that.

[NewBlood81]

In the NFL, you just don't go 5-0 without doing something right. Cowboys are the best team in the NFC lead by the best QB in the NFC right now.

Farve is better, doing more with less talent at wideout and tight end and without a running game. So how is Romo better then Farve?

[SkinsHokieFan]

It's not accurate to compare Romo to Grossman.

Grossman was leading a run first offense, while Romo is leading a juggernauth offense.

Bears asked Grossman not to lose games. Romo is being asked to win games.

If the Cowboys played an NFL team last monday, and with the way Romo performed, we would lose. Thank god we played the Bills.

That just goes to show you that Romo is a vital part of the Cowboys offense and without him, we'd lose a lot of games... unless we're playing the Bills every week...

:cool:

Look at the numbers between Rexy's first 5 games last year and Romo's

Romo was flat out exposed, as was the Cowgirls offense on Monday. Its clear your running attack is subpar and Romo can be confused. This will continue on Sunday and when he faces the NFC's best defense in a few weeks, it'll further be exposed

[NewBlood81]

One misconception about Romo is that he make good decisions. I don't see that. Many time his completions are made when the recievers are wide open rarely does he complete one into tight coverage. I've seen many passes from Romo where he just sling it in there and the DB is very close to picking it off but can't. If you watch the game closely you'll see this. Same thing last year too. I can't believe how many bad passes Romo gets away with.

[slogriff]

One misconception about Romo is that he make good decisions. I don't see that. Many time his completions are made when the recievers are wide open rarely does he complete one into tight coverage. I've seen many passes from Romo where he just sling it in there and the DB is very close to picking it off but can't. If you watch the game closely you'll see this. Same thing last year too. I can't believe how many bad passes Romo gets away with.

Let's see. You say Romo doesn't make good decisions and his completions are always to wide open players. Gee, I always thought hitting the open player was a good decison.

I don't think it is so much he makes good decisions as it is he can make very quick decisions. What seperates Romo from most QBs is the ability under pressure to dodge a rusher, do a 360, quickly come up firing and hit a receiver in stride 15 yds downfield. Will he make some bad snap decisions? Sure. But he more than most has the ability to quickly survey the field and make quick good decisions downfield.

One reason you seem to think so many of his throws are so close to being picked off is because he throws the ball downfield. He leads the league in YPA and probably YPC. His avg. completion is caught nearly 10 yds downfield by a WR/TE. He isn't dropping of easy dump passes in the flat where defenders are usually not close to the ball to intercept.

I guess if Romo's success was based on luck then this past week must have just been based on bad luck.

[slogriff]

Farve is better, doing more with less talent at wideout and tight end and without a running game. So how is Romo better then Farve?

I'll give you Romo has more talent around him than Farve. Just curious on what do you base Farve is better and doing more than Romo?

[AmishGangster]

What I see in the Redskins is that they do seem to be in alot of close games but they lose many more of the close games then they win....Last year they only won 1 game where the final score was 3 points or less, but they lost 4 of those games in fact it was 5 if you count the loss in OT which the game ended by losing by a TD....So last years 5-11 could of been 10-6 and playoff bound.........
This is the problem I see with the Skins, they need to learn to put these teams away (because they have the players to do it) but they seem to play not to lose instead of playing to win, I dont know if this is a play calling problem or not being able to make adjustments during the game or what...


Did you edit this post, I could have sworn you saying that the Skins were going to have another 5-11 season?

[SkinsFTW]

If they had just won the game outright, I'd agree that they are that good. But Buffalo was passing the ball when they should have been running the clock inside the 20 in order to kick a FG for a lead Dallas couldn't come back from. Instead their rookie QB got intercepted, then the Pukes picked up an onside kick and then kicked a 52 yard FG to win.

Being able to get an onside kick is just luck, not being good. It's just luck, even more than us beating Dallas in Dallas in 05. Luck, but that took planning and skill.

We could just do an onside kick on every kickoff in an entire game and get lucky sometimes and get 2-3 of them back in a game. Doesn't mean that we are good though.

[SkinsFTW]

But after next week, it will all be clearer.
Hey, at least they get the Pats at HOME, we have to play them on the road. Home field being 5-0 is a pretty big advantage no matter who you are playing.