Get real people

[Pete]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

[hockeyguy1721]

of course they blew it. The staff didnt drop all those passes. Its a shame they let this one get away, it could have, and should have been a easy win. On the upside, TD Pats!

[LD0506]

Here's an idea, EVERYBODY that's not staff should be NNT for 24 hours. :D

[sith lord]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

I put this one all on Moss. The drops, the fumble and he had a hell of a time staying on his feet all day.

[Birdlives]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

Truer words my friend.

Drops were killer. Losing O-Linemen hurt. And campbell still needs to work on touch. Lloyd almost had his first TD today.

Assuming everyone comes back from their injuries we'll fine.

[pimpumd]

In my eyes, this loss was all Moss. Dropped passes, fumble resulting in TD, deep pass hitting him in the face. It was truly a one man loss.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

I was going to post something like this, Pete.

Everyone knows I have been ally of the coaches (well, Gibbs and some others mainly.) But right now, I see a team that has FINALLY put bad or conservative playcalling behind it.

Campbell needs to complete that pass to Lloyd. Everyone shares in the blame today. I don't like the use of timeouts early, that hurts but it's not WHY we lost. We shouldn't have needed to come back in this game.

Players are failing us and we are getting too many injuries to recover.

[Isifhan]

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

Until about half way through the 4th I would agree with you. We are seeing consistent, weekly clock mismanagement. Sometimes it's not as bad as others but it's there every game. It cost us the chance to remain competitive at the end. When you loose 30 seconds of time and burn an unnecessary time out because you can't call two plays in the span of one time out that is hurting your team. Please explain the logic of calling a time out AFTER the two minute warning? I mean, what is the thought process there?

[Destino]

Gibbs once again showed that timeouts are just too much for him to handle. He also failed to bench a player that was clearly hurting the team until it was too late. He gets the blame for that.

The goat however is still Moss. I've seen bad games but that guy hurt us the entire time he played. Terrible. We win if he's hurt.

I'll say it again. If Moss had been hurt today, we win.

[bubba9497]

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it


did they ever :hammer:

[S.TaylorMade]

mods feel free to change the name of this thread but damn that's just how i feel right now... i hear all these wannabe skins fans in here talkin' "fire gibbs! trade moss! trade portis! injuries!! waahhh!"

How about sht ya mouth!

What this team really needs is to stick together and play as a team... every year we lose players and we hire 4 other people that we get hyped up on until they leave a couple years later.... we seen it with brad johnson, laverneus coles, deion sanders, etc. if this team can stay the same for the next 3 years we can win a championship because everybody knows each other...

this team needs to stick together and learn to play as a team... and fans like the ones i described up above make me sick!

:cheers: here's to the rest of the 2007 season

[Blondie]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

You are correct.

And thanks for the post.

[stevenaa]

Agreed. No one needs to be fired or traded. :doh: I just can't put my finger on it. We have the talent, the play calling can be real good. Just when we think they are going to get it together, they go all "Redskin" on us and find yet another way to mess it up. I'm flabergasted.

[mikeyf316]

Pete, the coaching staff could have managed the clock better, but clock management alone isn't what lost it for us.

I'm shockingly disappointed in Moss. While the field conditions can explain away a few of the drops and / or fumbles, this was out of control. And Moss has been absolutely nothing this year. I think he needs to sit out a game and get his head together. I don't know what's going on in his world, but he comes out every week and appears to not be concerned that he's simply not producing. If not for Cooley and McCardell, we'd have had no offense spark worth mentioning. We hit McCardell twice in a series for great grabs and then went away from him while he was hot? Bad decision.

Pete, I just want to know when we're going to start playing (and coaching) up to our potential. That's all. By my numbers, we should have had two more INT, at least 6 more catches, and of those, it probably would have led to 2 more scores. We left a lot of points and plays on the field.

[BuryYourDuke]

Totally agreed. I'm not sure how the coaching is at fault for the drops. They weren't just drops, they were HUGE drops on HUGE plays. I'm pretty sure the fumbles weren't the coaching staff's fault, and I'm just as sure they weren't at fault on the injuries to the o-line. We literally went backwards the whole 4th quarter. Face it. We got let down by our favorite offensive players, with the exception of Chris Cooley. We are inconsistent, and until we can get healthy things won't get much better.

[STBonecrusher21]

Sean Taylor is amazing. ;)

[voicekiller]

the only thing the coaching staff did wrong was the clock management at the end of the game...but all those drops, turnovers, and poor O-Line play killed us today

[STBonecrusher21]

Sorry, double post. My computer is pretty slow right now. Lotta people on this site.

[SkinsFTW]

OL, and Moss fumbling his 1 catch of the game.

[Toe Jam]

This was all on the players.

Painful to watch people who are paid millions constantly drop passes and fumble footballs.

Absolutely pathetic.

With that said, I think they bounce back next week.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

The coaching can't shoulder the blame. When the D gives up 10 points and 225 yards and still lose you have to look at the offense. Too many drops, a fumble for six point, etc. Our offense was horrible minus Cooley and Campbell.

[Potato Sack]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

Thank you. And don't forget about the CP fumble that led the Packers to a field goal. It was bad execution again. I thought the coaches called a good game.

[Playmaker89]

thank you... there are some fans on this board that are f***ing rediculous.


:cheers: to the rest of the season.

[D'KanSkinFan]

Pete:


I somewhat agree and disagree with you - respectfully tho.:)

It seems our coaches cannot "calm" Jason down when he is under pressure - I agree with his inexperience, but he relies on the coaches to "calm" him - So this tell me, our coaches aren't ready for the success; they need to step their thinking.

The "deep ham string" pulls are getting out of hand - why?

And, our players that DROP the ball - well - MARK is gone, it is a new day---hang onto the ball for a week, even to the bathroom, could/might make a difference.............- didn't Coach do that in '05?

I am not disappointed in Jason, I love the majority of the play calling; however, today showed us one thing - WE have to work on playing the GAME away from home...................., nothing new here - but New England has no trouble; TD as I type.:) :mad: but I want them to win against the pukes.

All this is manageable, it's up to the Coaches and the players THAT WANT to WIN.............

WE need to change our thinking to a WINNING team, instead of a "hangin' on team"................:2cents:

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Thank you. And don't forget about the CP fumble that led the Packers to a field goal. It was bad execution again. I thought the coaches called a good game.

No, that was a missed FG.

[shoefly72]

I don't really blame the staff at all except for the clock management and timeouts, but those did not cost us the game. Sloppy turnovers and dropped passes cost us this game. If Moss doesn't fumble that we might have scored on that drive, and even if we hadn't it's still a 7 point swing. If he just catches that wide open deep ball he probably has a touchdown too. The receivers really let Jason down today.

I would say that this loss is something we could overcome, but we incurred so many injuries on the offensive line that I really don't think it's possible for our offense to get anything going until everyone is healthy. I mean, even our backups are all injured.

[SkinsTillIDie]

Our offensive linemen really played poorly today. Couldn't open up anything on the ground all game, and couldn't handle a 4 man rush in the 4th quarter when it mattered most.

Our receivers have to catch the ball. Moss had an inexcusable game. Lloyd needs to find a way to catch that ball. Portis has to take care of the rock. Betts needs to step up - he's been a major dissapointment this season. If Mike Sellers is going to hassle the coaching staff for more opportunities on offense, then he has to catch the goddamn ball when it hits him in the hands.

If we can't run the ball on 3rd and 1 and get a first down... well, thats not the prototype for a playoff team

[Bacon]

So...OK. We lost. Mmm hmm. Yeah.

Packers: 4-1

WHAT THE HELL made you all think they were going to lose this game??? What went through your heads all this week? Because we beat Detroit? Haha, yeah, get real.

There is such a thing as a good football team, you know, and we outclassed them for the majority of the game. Not sure which game you were watching, but our defense still looks unstoppable. The Packers did nothing. Their pathetic run game and predictable pass game couldn't do jack against our unit.

And we're all of the sudden going 4-12?

We played poorly on offense, sure. But it wasn't the coaches' fault. We played balls-out, cut-throat football for the vast majority of the game, and then our O-line started to falter. It happens. Don't even get me started on the receivers. They all deserve a verbal beatdown. They sucked.

Portis? Eh, well, bad games happen. He didn't have a Romo-esque game, and you're all ready to throw him overboard. Actually, he looked great for three quarters, and by the fourth he wasn't of much use to us anyway.

My suggestion to ES: start praying, because our O-line needs it. We'll get it together, but we need some healthy players first.

So, what's next? Arizona? They're a joke. Overrated on all counts. I predicted a loss this week, and I predict a rout next week. You all let one win go to your heads, and forgot that we were playing a 4-1 team on the road. Never do that. This is one of our hardest games of the year, and we almost pulled it out. Have faith! Things aren't as bad as they seem! :applause:

[praise_gibbs]

The players also don't have anything to do with clock management. While, the players did help us lose this game, the odds are in their favor. But, to say that the coaches have nothing to do with this loss is insane.


GW coached a good game. Saunders/Gibbs did not. How many of the good plays called were from Saunders? Gibbs? We simply don't know with this team who is calling the plays. Our offense sucked. Defense was solid as usual.

[jservs7]

The beat up O line, the rain, too many dropped passes, some bad called plays and clock management. Am I missing anything?

Lets face it people, it was a group effort to mess this one up. Even worse then we did to the Giants IMO. :(

[D'KanSkinFan]

Sean Taylor is amazing. ;)


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and..........he deserves to be in the history book!!!!!!!! :cheers:

[STBonecrusher21]

Agreed. But like i said in another thread. Despite all the drops and turnovers, we still had a chance to win. Im not sayin the coaches blew it,(obviously the players), but I still think they need to be able to make better decisions. (Timeouts, Playcalling.)

[DieselPwr44]

As far as Moss is concerned...

Maybe instead of clubbing and hanging with the boys in South Beach in the offseason, he could've been up at the Park working with Jason.

You know, like he said he was going to do?? Instead it was... "Me and Jason just couldn't get hooked up this summer."

Jason was at the Park, almost everyday......

[Sticksboi05]

It is on EVERYONE. A loss is on the entire team. The players didn't execute and the clock managment in the 4th was comical. But the playcalling still could've been better. That is for sure.

Moss was the worst player today but even the D could've and should've come away with how many turnovers...I'm not saying the D screwed up at all, that's obscene but the game mangement is killing us. We waste so much time and timeouts and it's all on Gibbs for that.

[Buford]

2nd time this season we had a lead at halftime and couldn't get a single point in the 2nd half. 2nd time we lost. 12th time we lost after leading at the half since JG 2.0.

Maybe it wasn't the play calling to clock mgmt. But, something is not preparing these guys to do the basics like holding onto the ball.


Call it what you want, a lot of the faces have changed, but the results haven't.

[voicekiller]

Our defense played great...Rogers needs to shore up his game a bit but besides that we played good on that side...maybe these guys need some stickier gloves

[redadblue4334]

we're 3 and 2, tied with ny for 2nd place...ive got a bad feeling about tomorrow. Lets hope the gods smile upon us...or we might never recover.

[DieselPwr44]

Sean Taylor is amazing. ;)
Tell that to Oldfan.

He claims ST isn't a playmaker.

:laugh:

[hockeyguy1721]

next Sunday cant come soon enough.

[ClemsSC7Skinfan]

I'm pretty sure this one falls solely on the shoulders of George Bush......

[Bigwayne13]

This lose is due to the face that the wr's couldnt catch a ball to save there life. This performance was absolutely horrible, well the defense did good. I guess this week in practice, the coaches will have to teach the players how to catch the ball. YOUR SAFETY SHOULD NOT HAVE MORE CATCHES THEN YOUR TOP RECIEVER!!! Where was Cooley the second half??? Almost looked like the Giants game all over again. Maybe next week our recievers will be able to catch some passes.

Sorry, just had to vent a little.

[FuriousD]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half.


Where the hell were our halftime adjustments and isn't that on the staff???

[NomadicSkinFan]

Honestly, with the way our defense played this game, there should have been no need to worry about conserving time at the end of the game. That being said, the coaches did the team no favors with the way they managed time. This is a veteran staff. There's no excuse for the way they wasted time at the end of the game. With more time or timeouts, the Skins could have still attacked the middle of the field. But again, it never should have come to that.

[D'KanSkinFan]

The beat up O line, the rain, too many dropped passes, some bad called plays and clock management. Am I missing anything?

Lets face it people, it was a group effort to mess this one up. Even worse then we did to the Giants IMO. :(

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TO, is that you????????????

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[Bacon]

next Sunday cant come soon enough.

Indeed. We are going to MURDER Arizona. It will be a crime scene. :cardsuck:

[WARLORD1863]

My thread very similar to this got deleted, I'm assuming to make room for this one :mad:

But I agree 100%. A ton of stupid mistakes costed us a win, and every bone in my body (yeah even the broken finger) tells me that we had this game in the bag. Campbell, Cooley, and the defense (minus a stupid mistake by Rogers) were outstanding.

But the fumble return for touchdown, the Portis fumble near the end... dropped passes that ALL would have been critical firstdowns and the deep balls that all should have been caught for 1st and goal opportunities. All of it amounted to a 3 point loss.

This game was ours. If we play our remaining games with just half the mistakes we made today, we'll win.

[Thoth]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

Uh--nope.

Where are our half-time adjustments?

We came out in 2nd half doing the same thing that lost the giants game--run, run, run. . .As soon as we get even a minor lead, Gibbs comes out in the 2nd half and goes conservative. . .The other team gets the lead, and only then do we open up again. . .Then its same old, same old, long 3rd downs, defenses teeing up on JC.

The players made mistakes, but great coaching would have given us a much better chance to pull it out. Gibbs not having his mind made up and packages ready on that 4th down is inexcusable. Letting almost 30 seconds run off the clock prior to 2 minute warning? We've seen poor clock management down the stretch in 2 games now--both eerily similar. . .

These two trends--excessive conservatism, amateurish clock management--are Gibbs' ultimate responsibility.

Do you HONESTLY think Bellichick or Dungy would have botched the time out situation the way we did? In the Giants game or this game? If Gibbs were coaching them, the Cowboys NEVER would have beat the Bills last week. We might have been in a similar situation to salvage victory from turnovers, but our coaching denied us that opportunity in the 4th quarter. It is time to make the uncomfortable realization that the game has passed Gibbs by to some degree.

After the Patriots game, we MAY be 4-3.

[Ibleedbandg]

Can someone burn me like a 1000's dvd copies of this game. I ran out of firewood and its gonna be a long winter.

[scruffylookin]

Where the hell were our halftime adjustments and isn't that on the staff???

Unlike the Giants game, I think they continued to attack in the 3rd quarter but were doomed by poor play by the players (led by Santana).

It seemed like the players let up, not the coaches.....and this comes from someone who has become a critic of this staff.

[ArtMonk_fav.redskin]

This lose is due to the face that the wr's couldnt catch a ball to save there life. This performance was absolutely horrible, well the defense did good. I guess this week in practice, the coaches will have to teach the players how to catch the ball. YOUR SAFETY SHOULD NOT HAVE MORE CATCHES THEN YOUR TOP RECIEVER!!! Where was Cooley the second half??? Almost looked like the Giants game all over again. Maybe next week our recievers will be able to catch some passes.

Sorry, just had to vent a little.

Plus, on the 4th down play, how could you throw a pass less than the 2 yards you need for a 1st down????? MCCardell would have had a big gainer.... sad the whole thing is sad...

[Park City Skins]

My thread very similar to this got deleted, I'm assuming to make room for this one :mad:

No. We don't delete them. It was probably merged with this one. For that reason. It was similar.

[Titaw]

I have to agree, the onus was on the players, NOT the coaches.

[KAOSkins]

No question, I wouldn't blame play calling at all, though Gibbs seems to have forgotten a little about clock managment. Still, that didn't really matter. 3 or 4 dropped passes and 1 of those fumbles back and we would have won for sure. You can't game plan for a team dropping that many big plays. It's almost like there was something on the ball when we had it.

[TK]

Thank you. And don't forget about the CP fumble that led the Packers to a field goal. It was bad execution again. I thought the coaches called a good game.
Re: horrible game by Coach Gibbs (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4299407#post4299407)

Re: We Lost Because of the O-Line Injuries (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4299445#post4299445)

Re: We Lost Because of the O-Line Injuries (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4299494#post4299494)

You've said this four times now. Don't forget it? Did you even watch the game? They MISSED the field goal. How can you forget something that never happened. What is wrong with you?

[LD0506]

No. We don't delete them.

We know that's always been the policy but considering some of the dreck showing up now maybe you could reconsider? Even temporarily? :D

[NewCliche21]

Pete, Moss is the problem. He blew the game. Unless the cover corners touch the ball, it's Moss's fault for dropping them.

What a failure.

[skinzplay]

It was a coaching decision that led to Moss being kept in the game in the first place. It was clear that he was not in the game, so he should have been relegated to bench duty for the rest of the game.

And I still don't understand why in the world James Thrash is in at wideout when no defense in the NFL has any reason/need to worry about him as any kind of threat. On special teams, he's a baller......but otherwise, leave him on the sidelines.

[WARLORD1863]

No. We don't delete them. It was probably merged with this one. For that reason. It was similar.

You're right, it got merged with another thread. My apologies

[Sarge]

I say trade the entire staff

[Pete]

Until about half way through the 4th I would agree with you. We are seeing consistent, weekly clock mismanagement. Sometimes it's not as bad as others but it's there every game. It cost us the chance to remain competitive at the end. When you loose 30 seconds of time and burn an unnecessary time out because you can't call two plays in the span of one time out that is hurting your team. Please explain the logic of calling a time out AFTER the two minute warning? I mean, what is the thought process there?


Yes, clock management is still a problem, but this game was lost long before it was an issue today


Thank you. And don't forget about the CP fumble that led the Packers to a field goal. It was bad execution again. I thought the coaches called a good game.

I didn't want to bring up Portis putting it on the turf for a the second time in two weeks. Don't want to start up that whole Portis protects / Betts fumbles thing ;)


Pete:


I somewhat agree and disagree with you - respectfully tho.:)

It seems our coaches cannot "calm" Jason down when he is under pressure - I agree with his inexperience, but he relies on the coaches to "calm" him - So this tell me, our coaches aren't ready for the success; they need to step their thinking.

The "deep ham string" pulls are getting out of hand - why?

And, our players that DROP the ball - well - MARK is gone, it is a new day---hang onto the ball for a week, even to the bathroom, could/might make a difference.............- didn't Coach do that in '05?

I am not disappointed in Jason, I love the majority of the play calling; however, today showed us one thing - WE have to work on playing the GAME away from home...................., nothing new here - but New England has no trouble; TD as I type.:) :mad: but I want them to win against the pukes.

All this is manageable, it's up to the Coaches and the players THAT WANT to WIN.............

WE need to change our thinking to a WINNING team, instead of a "hangin' on team"................:2cents:

I don't think Jason wasn't calm. How calm can you be running for your life a good part of the 4th quater. His protection was nonexistant in the 4th. I think he kept an even keel even in the face of a tough loss.

I do agree with whoever posted that Moss should have been seated sooner. I can understand the slipping to the turf. Wet field, and commin off a groin injury will make the best of them a bit tentative. But the hands have me scratching my head. He could normally go up and grab about anything thrown his way. He needs to snap out of it quickly. Hope sitting gets through to him.......... Even before the injury, he wasn't having a great season. Granted, he's seeing double teaming, but he has always seen that.

[Destino]

as far as coaches go... the team came out flat in the second half and even if you ignore the fumbles, the offense did nothing in the second half. Drops or not we made the packer D look great in the second half.

[TK]

I say trade the entire staff
You'd be lost without us. :)

[D'KanSkinFan]

I'm pretty sure this one falls solely on the shoulders of George Bush......


No - I think its Osma! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[mi6]

The Skins are getting a dose of reality!

The Coaches are doing an okay job, but the players are STINKING the HOUSE up! Personally, I would not play Clinton for the next few games. He is injured, and it shows in his running game. Ladell Betts - has yet to kick it into gear!

The WRs ought to be ashamed of themselves. Antwaan and Santana had a number of misses that costed us the game. If they would have hung on to the balls, not created turnovers we would have put the Packers away.

However, I DO blame the coaches for not going in for the kill. When the running game is ****ed up, why insist on it? Portis was ineffective most of the day, and even fumbled on the 10 yard line!

[D'KanSkinFan]

I have to agree, the onus was on the players, NOT the coaches.

You sig says it all............we might have gotten "beat" on our game......but the pukes are getting...............massssssssssssssssssssssssss ssacred:laugh: :dallasuck

Hey, where is Aikman now? :laugh:

[ChampSkinsFanatic]

A dallas loss would make it feel a little better.

[soljaofjesus]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

I agree it was the players who blew it. but we can't make excuses for going up against top cover corners.. whenever we go up against good players were not surppose to expect we do bad.. so what if they are good cover corners.. shouldn't make a difference for all those easy drops!!!

[Hogisme]

Thanks Pete...that is it, that is all...now will they man up and take responsibility...very worried about O line...how bad is it...do I get a contract as it looks bad

[WARLORD1863]

A dallas loss would make it feel a little better.

Are you kidding? if Dallas wins against the Pats, this will probably be the worst week so far this season. Just imagine MORE Tony Romo coverage on espn, MORE predictions for a Dallas superbowl, and more cocky Cowboy fans laughing it up.

They HAVE to lose, otherwise I'm avoiding any channel, show, or website that is sports related.

[skins island connection]

I've seen some strange games, and this one has to rank up there with them...

Moss couldn't catch a cold today, i know he has a groin prob, but the last time i studied anatomy, they weren't attached to his hands! he looked like lloyd out there!

Cooley was doing great, its too bad they abandoned him in the 4th qtr...

I couldn't believe the 4th & 1 play, what was up with sellers running a route that wouldn't get us a 1 st down ? someone needs to let gibbs know where the 1st down marker is, and tell WHOEVER is getting the ball to make sure they cross it before looking for the ball.

Our defense held up pretty darn good, and never gave up. i thought favre would have one of those games where he would light it up, but the D had a different opinion...

Now, 3-2, and a pretty rough month coming up, so i hope and pray that they get in gear and play like they want it, because the "cokeboys" won't be there in the end, its the giants that i'll worry about.................

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

This is my fifth season on this board and it's been the same every year. Harmony after a win. Insults and infighting after a loss. In fact one doesn't even need to see the score or watch the game to know how we did.

I think we can all agree that the offense, minus CC and JC, stunk it up today, but it's no excuse to rip each other to pieces. We all know what they say about opinions, and everyone has both, but a simple rebuttal to an irrational post looks allot better than an insult.

For the overall best of the board, and the fact that everyone ele's fans read this, can we carry on post loss conversations with a little bit of rational thinking and no insults? :)

I mean, we're all family, right? The same guy you insult here you would just as fast high five or hug at the stadium when we score

[LD0506]

I second the motion! :applause:

The whole place needs a timeout.

Or a big horsedose of Thorazine

[wlbai]

Games like today are just part of building an offense. I am disappointed in Moss and Portis as well but that will last until the next good thing they do. We'll be fine. :)

[NVskinsfan]

Freedom to rant!!!!
Respectfully of course!!! :D :D

[THUNDERDOME]

Thank You.....and cowboys losing 14-3

[Pete]

I agree it was the players who blew it. but we can't make excuses for going up against top cover corners.. whenever we go up against good players were not surppose to expect we do bad.. so what if they are good cover corners.. shouldn't make a difference for all those easy drops!!!

Your hitting on my point actually. We were getting the seperation at times to take our shots against the top corners. Either the ball was dropped, or Jason was getting chased out of the pocket and couldn't make the throws for that reason.


Thanks Pete...that is it, that is all...now will they man up and take responsibility...very worried about O line...how bad is it...do I get a contract as it looks bad

Show up at the Park in the mornng, and you may get a shot :laugh:
The line is what's hurting us the most. We know that we can produce without Moss. Keanan and James still have something left in their tanks, and ARE is gold. Loyd is just inches away from making a real contribuation. The Packers saw the decimated line, saw we couldn't run, and adjusted acordingly and exploited the make shift line. They came at Jason pretty hard. We were still OK till Casey went out. The loss of Stephan was the nail in the lines coffin.

[NVskinsfan]

Thank You.....and cowboys losing 14-3

Some good news today!!! :D

[STBonecrusher21]

Agreed. But it is pretty fun sometimes.

[richhilljr]

As I said in another thread, the only beef I have with coaching is calling that stupid end around play. It hasn't worked all year.

Otherwise, the loss is on poor execution by players. It happens.

Our Defense is the best in the league right now. Even good enough to hang with the pats.

[Mooka]

Uh--nope.

Where are our half-time adjustments?

We came out in 2nd half doing the same thing that lost the giants game--run, run, run. . .As soon as we get even a minor lead, Gibbs comes out in the 2nd half and goes conservative. . .The other team gets the lead, and only then do we open up again. . .Then its same old, same old, long 3rd downs, defenses teeing up on JC. First drive of the 2nd half:

1-10-WAS 24 (14:55) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep right to 89-S.Moss (31-A.Harris).
2-10-WAS 24 (14:49) (Shotgun) 26-C.Portis left end to WAS 37 for 13 yards (97-J.Jolly).
1-10-WAS 37 (14:13) 46-L.Betts left end to WAS 38 for 1 yard (50-A.Hawk).
2-9-WAS 38 (13:30) 17-J.Campbell pass deep left to 83-J.Thrash pushed ob at GB 22 for 40 yards (20-A.Bigby). Penalty on WAS-83-J.Thrash, Offensive Pass Interference, offsetting, enforced at WAS 38 - No Play. Penalty on GB-21-C.Woodson, Illegal Contact, offsetting.
2-9-WAS 38 (12:58) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to 89-S.Moss.
3-9-WAS 38 (12:53) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass short right to 85-B.Lloyd to WAS 46 for 8 yards (31-A.Harris). PENALTY on WAS-74-S.Heyer, Illegal Formation, 5 yards, enforced at WAS 38 - No Play.
3-14-WAS 33 (12:26) (Shotgun) 17-J.Campbell pass incomplete short right to 46-L.Betts.
4-14-WAS 33 (12:22) 4-D.Frost punts 36 yards to GB 31, Center-67-E.Albright. 21-C.Woodson to GB 31 for no gain (29-L.Torrence).

[Gart Monk]

The Giants loss doesnt sting as much anymore.

I call this feeling "Redskin Rockgut"

[scruffylookin]

A dallas loss would make it feel a little better.

Not me.

I expect Dallas to lose and lose big. They're not in New England's class.

We blew an opportunity to catch them with this loss to the Packers.

I'm just hoping somehow and someway the Falcons can come up big tomorrow night against the Giants.

[Pete]

Cooley was doing great, its too bad they abandoned him in the 4th qtr...


The Packers changed their coverage and threw a blanket over Cooley for the second half. He was their focus all week, and I'm sure the D got a good ass chewing in the locker room, came out and shut him down.

[pgitta]

This is my fifth season on this board and it's been the same every year. Harmony after a win. Insults and infighting after a loss.

No, it's pretty much insults and in-fighting after a win too.

Look. Save your breath. Every time we lose, people create threads like this trying to make others see reason.

It has never worked. It won't work now, and it will never work.

Never has there been a reply that went, "You know, you have a point. I got a little carried away. Thanks for reminding me of my sillyness"

They will rant their foolishness regardless of what you or anyone else appeals for.

Take solice in the knowledge that there are a few people here who are rational human beings.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

No, it's pretty much insults and in-fighting after a win too.

Look. Save your breath. Every time we lose, people create threads like this trying to make others see reason.

It has never worked. It won't work now, and it will never work.

Never has there been a reply that went, "You know, you have a point. I got a little carried away. Thanks for reminding me of my sillyness"

They will rant their foolishness regardless of what you or anyone else appeals for.

Take solice in the knowledge that there are a few people here who are rational human beings.
Good point. On a board of 70,000 members we are going to have our share of emotional basket cases

[No_Pressure]

It's difficult around here...people will always say some crazy stuff after a game. Honestly, I know it isn't true in all cases, but most of the people here with thousands of posts and a long tenure don't sit here insulting each other. A lot of it is done by guys who have 53 posts and have been registered since 10 minutes ago. Some people open accounts on here solely to fight out their anger after a loss. In many cases somebody makes a claim in a calm tone such as:

"Clinton Portis is playing injured and should be benched until he is healthy."

Some people respond with thoughtful agreements and disagreements, and some people respond with:

"OMGWTF YOU ARE THE SINGLE DUMBEST SCUMBALL PIECE OF **** EVER! GO BACK TO THE COWBOYS BOARD, *******!"

I think it's difficult for the mods to walk the line between being called ******* facists and letting jackasses spout insults to other members.

[Burgold]

Congrats to the Packers for taking advantage of our miscues, but we have to find a way to improve our second half concentration. I don't know if you blame the rain, injuries, or something else... but we got to stop these second down let-downs.

We're probably going to have a tough time due to the O-line injuries in the next few weeks and if we get beaten, then we get beaten, but I don't want to see us lose another game.

[trio]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it


Respectfully, I disagree....

Whereas I think it is ridiculous to place all of the blame on the coaches, I feel like there is certainly blame to be placed upon them:

Some specific examples:

1) personnel decisions: I am unsure whether or not some of Santana Moss' issues were related to health, but he was not on the field in the games penultimate and ultimate drives....if this is a "benching" because of the fumbles and drops, I question that decision....Moss is a professional...he knows his failures, and does not need to be "benched", especially when we need his speed and ability to come back and move down the field..

If he was sat because of injury, then I question if he should have been playing at all.....in either circumstance, that is a coaching issue...


2) Playcalling...we fell into the same trap getting too "cute" with a lead against the Giants...and in many games last year....I am unsure why we ran the end around....I appreciate wanting to get the ball in Moss' hands...but with the lead, and a defense that is playing the way they are...why not Cooley....certainly the execution in the second half was poor (dropped passes, etc) and there was hardship (all of the injuries) but part of the responsibility falls on the coaches to adapt to that....in the late 3rd quarter and 4th Campbell was facing increased pressure on many passing plays because of the injuries to our line...and yet in many instances we "Andy Reided" it and did not keep extra people in for protection...


3) Halftime adjustments: this is a more nebulous issue, and it is hard to provide tangible examples....the fact remains is in our two losses we have appeared "flat" after halftime....especially on offense...(the exact opposite has been true on defense, so kudos to Williams, I believe we have the majority of our takeaways in the second half of our losses...go figure)...so make of this as you will...I will give you a push on this if you want...

4) Clock Management...with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter you call timeout on 2nd down....you need, as a coaching staff, to have decided under what circumstances you are going to "go for it" on 4th down heading into that situation, and efficient coaches probably need to give Campbell a few plays during that first timeout....either way, calling the SECOND timeout on third down is close to inexcusable, and it cost us a minute it towards the end of the game....

Second Issue: the timeout before the 2 minute warning..you absolutely use your timeout before the 2 minute warning.....the Packers let us off the hook a little here...if you use your timeout before the 2 minute warning the packers have 3rd down after the 2 minute warning and have to consider the pass...either way you get the ball back with about 1:15-1:20 left...

as it was, we got lucky....the Packers snapped the ball on 4th down with more than 15 seconds left on the play clock...had THEY not made a mistake, we would have gotten the ball with less than a minute left, and OUR coaching error would have cost us 20 seconds at the end of the game...I don't know about you, I don't want to rely on other teams to make errors



I highly doubt many people will read all of this because it will be buried far in a thread...and if I started my own thread with it I would be NNT'd...

I also highly expect the "what do you know" responses....I am not a Hall of Fame coach....nowhere close...just a meager former college player and former high school coach.....but if I can see this, the really, really good professionals certainly can...

on the other hand...had I not gotten hurt, I could have been a D-1 O-lineman...think I should head up to Redskins Park this week?

[FFskinsfan72]

Wasn't wild bout not callin' time out before the 2 min warning but that was about it for my concerns with coaching staff.

I was not happy at all with the receivers.

[Mooka]

4) Clock Management...with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter you call timeout on 2nd down....you need, as a coaching staff, to have decided under what circumstances you are going to "go for it" on 4th down heading into that situation, and efficient coaches probably need to give Campbell a few plays during that first timeout....either way, calling the SECOND timeout on third down is close to inexcusable, and it cost us a minute it towards the end of the game....

Second Issue: the timeout before the 2 minute warning..you absolutely use your timeout before the 2 minute warning.....the Packers let us off the hook a little here...if you use your timeout before the 2 minute warning the packers have 3rd down after the 2 minute warning and have to consider the pass...either way you get the ball back with about 1:15-1:20 left... Not that this helped, but we could've had 50 timeouts and another quarter to play and none of that would've mattered.

The game was well over by then. We couldn't even get off a quick slant or a curl, let alone get a single first down or put together a drive.

[RWJ]

I think the game today spoke for itself.

[mikeyf316]

1) personnel decisions: ....if this is a "benching" because of the fumbles and drops, I question that decision....

2) Playcalling...we fell into the same trap getting too "cute" with a lead against the Giants...

3) Halftime adjustments: this is a more nebulous issue, and it is hard to provide tangible examples....the fact remains is in our two losses we have appeared "flat" after halftime....

4) Clock Management...with 6 minutes left in the 4th quarter you call timeout on 2nd down....

Second Issue: the timeout before the 2 minute warning..you absolutely use your timeout before the 2 minute warning.....

1 - I don't question it if it's a benching. This is not the first game that Moss has failed to be a part of the offense. I'm not saying to replace him for the season or to trade him; nothing silly like that. But if he's not got his head in the game, take him out and give somebody who is at least focused a shot at making some plays. Even if only for the second half.

2 - I don't think the playcalling was cute, I think it was a calculated risk that would have been acceptable if Moss had held on to the ball. Where he was tackled was right around the line of scrimmage. Had he been tackled, even for a slight loss, it would have been no different than Portis losing a yard here and there when GB got penetration into the backfield. I don't have a problem with it. The problem arises when Moss gets butterhands.

3 - I agree with you completely. We're taking a nap through the 3rd. It's been the same in virtually every game.

4 - I see clock management as a major issue. For us, proper use of it has been a shortcoming lately. I agree with your assessment.

See, people, we can discuss and disagree in a civil manner! :silly:

[kwitt]

In my eyes, this loss was all Moss. Dropped passes, fumble resulting in TD, deep pass hitting him in the face. It was truly a one man loss.
I can't remember the last time a non-QB cost us a game single handedly. I am just baffled how he is playing right now.

[MLSKINS]

Yes I am mad as hell that we lost. But I am not mad about how we lost. Weather played a factor. But that is still not an excuse for that fumble that Moss had. That was just poor ball handling and a good defensive play.

Even with a jacked up o-line Campbell was still getting his man. Sean Taylor looked like Willie Mays playing safety, and our d-line was still playing solid.

This week I hope we heal up practice hard and prepare for the Cardinals.

hail


Edit: thanks for merging, didn't know this was here

hail

[Bacon]

As I said in another thread, the only beef I have with coaching is calling that stupid end around play. It hasn't worked all year.

Otherwise, the loss is on poor execution by players. It happens.

Our Defense is the best in the league right now. Even good enough to hang with the pats.

Agreed on all counts. :applause:

[Playmaker89]

Interesting way to start a thread.


Our D was very good today. ST was all over the field as usual and we help Favre and company down for the most part.

The offense shows signs of greatness but struggles at times. All in all, I am happy with the offense, especially JC.

[NOVA2Tampa]

Bottom line...dropped passes cost us this game.

On the bright side, it's clear that our defense is one of the best in the NFL. We held the Packers to only 10 points on offense. That is why I'm not so down about this loss. That freak fumble that led to a TD won't happen every week. We'll still make the playoffs, don't worry. :cheers:

[da#1skinsfan]

Great post.

[Hooper]

Crazy game -- we've had really bad luck injury wise to our offensive line and to our receivers. JC, who has suddenly become our best player on offense, and the defense continue to impress. Gibbs continues to be a trainwreck when it comes to time management, but this loss was about execution plain and simple.

[skinfan2k]

we all wouldn't be in the situation if saunders decided not to run trick plays in bad weather

[pgitta]

Not that this helped, but we could've had 50 timeouts and another quarter to play and none of that would've mattered.

The game was well over by then. We couldn't even get off a quick slant or a curl, let alone get a single first down or put together a drive.

Bingo.

This was the football version of Operation Market Garden.

Thid tide had turned irreversibly against our boys.

[REEGSKINS]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it
i totally agree.

[alwrld]

Lots of things went wrong today, but I see blame being tossed at the staff a hell of a lot, and quite frankly it's unfounded.

Our wide outs are up against two of the top cover corners, and the halftime adjustments of the pack took Cooley out of the game in the second half. Our running game is nothing great right now, but with the majority of the line injured, what in hell do you expect. We hot hosed on the pass to Thrash in a big way, and lots of passes were dropped.

If not for Moss putting it on the ground with his lack of protecting the ball on that play, we still will have won this game.

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

I expect an NFL receiver to catch a ball that hits them in the fuqing hands. I expect an NFL running back and receiver to hold on to the fuqing ball.

[DCCOP]

I'm not taking the high road on this game but DAMN. Some of you posting sound like the same FANS from other teams that we as SKINS FANS talk sh** about every week.

Last week the LIONS fans talking about the heat and the grass this week our own talking about benching SM and trade CP. The same guys who last year during a 5-11 season played pretty well for us. Was there a better game last year then the Jacksonville win in OT ? ( SM, nice catch ) OK maybe Dallas but you understand what I'm saying.

Yes we gave this one away I too agree but, like the rest of you I'm sure we all will be at FEDEX next Sunday with our Moss jerseys on bitching about our 8.00 dollar beer and cheering for another SKINS WIN.

Guys this one hurt but let's shake it off, vent some and I look forward to hanging out with 90,000 plus of my fellow SKINS FANS next Sunday. :eaglesuck :cheers:

[cosmopolitianbloodloss]

Trade so and so, then we can get someone from another team, they can come over and play worse than who we had before, and then you guys get to complain again :D Guess what? This is the NFL. Some days aren't as good as others. Stick together, learn from your mistakes and it might work out. Remember when we rebounded in 05 to go to the playoffs? It's because we stuck together, not because we traded everyone that had some bad games. Relax.

[SlobberKnockinFootball]

Do you think we should give them off another week since they aren't producing offensively? :rolleyes:

Bottom line the players lost the game. The last 3 or 4 offensive series's were VERY conservative. I don't have the drive information right in front of me, but I remember sitting here pulling my hair out because we were passing sideways again rather than vertically. Are you telling me the best play we had on 4th and 2 is a pass in the flat for Betts 2 yards behind the 1st down marker? The staff could of done a better job at times as well.

[TotalRecall]

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

I disagree. We lost because... Moss dropped 6 passes, the O-line got banged-up, and the play-calling was awful.

They kept calling run to Portis when it was obvious that he wasn't healthy. They even called run when it was 2 and 12 OR 3 and 2...obviously passing downs, especially when Portis isn't healthy.

They did a reverse when they know those end-around & reverses don't amount to anything. A wasted play that turned into a fumble for a TD.

Again, they are wasting their WRs. Why even have WRs if you're not going to throw to them? I think Moss was the only WR that had a hard time getting open. McCardell came in and was an immediate impact. Cooley had a good game, only because they stopped throwing to Moss for a while. When Moss is in the game, they focus their passing game too heavily on Moss. They threw too much to Moss and too much to the RBs. Campbell played well last week because he spread the ball around. In this game like the others, he didn't spread the ball around. It's not easy for Campbell to throw to 2 receivers on passing downs and that's the formation the coaches call a lot!!!

[RideorDieChic]

The staff called a fairly good game. The players blew it

I agree. Our first loss was due to subpar play calling, this loss was totally on the players....

What hurst the most is that in both loss we dominated the first half.

[TotalRecall]

I agree. Our first loss was due to subpar play calling, this loss was totally on the players....

What hurst the most is that in both loss we dominated the first half.

You have it backwards. The first loss was because the offense poorly executed the plays. This loss was because the play-calling stunk and the coaches didn't recognize who the hot players were. And no, I didn't think they dominated offensively in the first half. It was a poor offensive game plan is what my gut is telling me.

[jrockster21]

I dunno, Pete. I think that was definitely offensive PI on Thrash...he threw him to the ground. :2cents:

[TotalRecall]

I dunno, Pete. I think that was definitely offensive PI on Thrash...he threw him to the ground. :2cents:

Thrash was being held and he pushed him off. My question to the official...what is he suppose to do when he's being held?

[TD's All Day]

Thrash was being held and he pushed him off. My question to the official...what is he suppose to do when he's being held?

I totally agree. Besides, I have never seen one instance in a play result in two flags other than a fight. How are both of them guilty? After the 5 yard penalty, Thrash should be allowed to catch the pass.