Why We Lost (Merged)

[UltimateSkinFan616]

Yet again, we lose a game we should have won. Lavar Arrington said it best on the post game show, "When you win 2 out of 3 of the battles, you should walk away with a win." We effectively contained the #1 ranked passing offense and shut down their running game. Our defense allowed 10 points. The other 7 came on that fumble return. Without that play, we could have very well won the game. But it wasn't just that play.

Although it pains me to say this, Santana Moss really fell apart in this game. He didn't just fumble the ball on that play, he dropped 5 passes that were very catchable, especially for someone of his skill. I'm tempted to say the conditions played a part, but that didn't seem to stop Cooley from having a career day. It was by far his worse day as a Redskins in recent memory and I think he knows that. He hasn't put up his 2005 numbers in a long time and his injuries seem to be mounting. I sure hope he steps up soon. He'll have to or his job may be in jeopardy because McCardell stepped up and we have Lloyd, Thrash, and Caldwell in the wings, who would be happy to get a chance.

But at the same time, our O-line was decimated again. We didn't just lose one man, we lost 3. I was tempted to think back to the body bag game in 1990 because now we're in big trouble if we don't have an O-line to block for our backs and protect Campbell. I believe we'll see a trade in the next few day. We need it. And we'll lose another draft pick because of it. But at this point we don't have a choice.

We lost this game for the same reason we lost the Giants game. We could not execute and things just didn't go our way. The ball bounced in favor of the Packers with the turnovers and the injuries. The second half was theirs and there was nothing we could do to fight back because we just couldn't execute.

But I do take comfort in the memory that the Giant's loss spurred us to beat up the Lions. Hopefully we can do the same against Arizona at home and get our swaggar back because we'll need it for New England. :helmet:

[S.T.real,lights,out]

Dont even mention the New England game. Im taking cover for that game.

[Destino]

why we lost?

http://www.santanamoss.org/images/contact.jpg

If he didn't play, we would have won this game.

[lucky*13]

why we lost?

http://www.santanamoss.org/images/contact.jpg

If he didn't play, we would have won this game.

You're a jackass,no one player in this game caused the skins to lose..After all that santana has done for this team you would think he would'nt be thrown under the bus so quickly...Some people are such tool's.

[Bigredskin77]

We lost because all 22 players on the field play with alot of heart. They are just playing and hoping to win. Instead they should play to win.

[KelvinBryant]

Yet again, we lose a game we should have won. Lavar Arrington said it best on the post game show, "When you win 2 out of 3 of the battles, you should walk away with a win." We effectively contained the #1 ranked passing offense and shut down their running game. Our defense allowed 10 points. The other 7 came on that fumble return. Without that play, we could have very well won the game. But it wasn't just that play.

Although it pains me to say this, Santana Moss really fell apart in this game. He didn't just fumble the ball on that play, he dropped 5 passes that were very catchable, especially for someone of his skill. I'm tempted to say the conditions played a part, but that didn't seem to stop Cooley from having a career day. It was by far his worse day as a Redskins in recent memory and I think he knows that. He hasn't put up his 2005 numbers in a long time and his injuries seem to be mounting. I sure hope he steps up soon. He'll have to or his job may be in jeopardy because McCardell stepped up and we have Lloyd, Thrash, and Caldwell in the wings, who would be happy to get a chance.

But at the same time, our O-line was decimated again. We didn't just lose one man, we lost 3. I was tempted to think back to the body bag game in 1990 because now we're in big trouble if we don't have an O-line to block for our backs and protect Campbell. I believe we'll see a trade in the next few day. We need it. And we'll lose another draft pick because of it. But at this point we don't have a choice.

We lost this game for the same reason we lost the Giants game. We could not execute and things just didn't go our way. The ball bounced in favor of the Packers with the turnovers and the injuries. The second half was theirs and there was nothing we could do to fight back because we just couldn't execute.

But I do take comfort in the memory that the Giant's loss spurred us to beat up the Lions. Hopefully we can do the same against Arizona at home and get our swaggar back because we'll need it for New England. :helmet:

A trade?

Wade returned to the game.

Rabach pulled his groin.

Why are people acting like we lost three OL-men today to blown ACL's?

[Destino]

You're a jackass,no one player in this game caused the skins to lose..After all that santana has done for this team you would think he would'nt be thrown under the bus so quickly...Some people are such tool's.

He gave up the winning score and had no positive plays at all. He did nothing but hurt the team today and ended up benching himself. You want to get offended fine, but the Santana Moss was the difference in this game just as sure as he was the difference in the Dallas game.

[Skinz_4_life]

its not a good sign when our back ups back ups are getting injured. lines suffer when they lose one key starter on the line we are losing linemen in every game.

[terpfan]

Let's be real guys... Moss DID lose this game. I'm not running him out of town, but he **** the bed BIGTIME. If there was ever a time to say that one player lost the game, its now.

That said, I'm not running him out of town. I know he is better than this, and I think he will turn it around. But he deserves all the bitching and moaning on this message board. 100%.

PS. OK well the OL sucked too... but when one player plays SOOO badly, its impossible not to single them out.

[The Diesel]

Dont even mention the New England game. Im taking cover for that game.


Today you'd have to brace for a loss in that game, but nothing to take cover from. I've become comfortable in the fact that our defense is not going to allow any team to embarass us.

[mAshparie36]

You're a jackass,no one player in this game caused the skins to lose..After all that santana has done for this team you would think he would'nt be thrown under the bus so quickly...Some people are such tool's.

he's right dude. you cant just blame the game on one guy. he might have been a big part of it, but it wasnt all him. was it his fault we let them get that first touchdown. take that away, and even with his fumble we would have won.

[Maximus71]

He gave up the winning score and had no positive plays at all. He did nothing but hurt the team today and ended up benching himself. You want to get offended fine, but the Santana Moss was the difference in this game just as sure as he was the difference in the Dallas game.



You broke the forum rules, you are going vs everyone here bro... You cant say a bad thing about Smoss, CP or any of the players from the U in a negative tone or they will call you a jack ass, dumbass etc... Why is it hard for anyone to see why we really lost the game today. Why all the hate towards the fans that actually see the reasons behing the loss?

[RonBurgundy&Gold]

Earlier in the season when Moss was dropping balls, I though "eh, he'll get it together". After today, I honestly don't know whats going on with him. What I do know is that he'll always be a Redskins legend after the Dallas game in 05 but that Santana Moss has been nowhere to be found since then.

Of course I'd love for Santana to come out and go for 150 yards and 3 touchdowns and prove me wrong, just as I'm sure most guys would that are blaming this game on him.

I can't stand the blind fans on here that act as if when you say anything negative about the team it makes you less of a fan. No, it makes you realistic.

Calling a spade a spade, Moss lost this ball game. Of course there were other plays that could have been made and the clock management could have been better, but you cannot say with a straight face that the mistakes Moss made today were not complete momentum killers that inevitably lost this game.

[Painkiller]

I agree for the most part with the initial post. The team and fans need to put this loss behind us quickly though. There is a lot of ball to be played yet, and with the Pukes getting blown out by the Patriots this conference truly is wide open.

[Major Harris]

Earlier in the season when Moss was dropping balls, I though "eh, he'll get it together". After today, I honestly don't know whats going on with him. What I do know is that he'll always be a Redskins legend after the Dallas game in 05 but that Santana Moss has been nowhere to be found since then.

Of course I'd love for Santana to come out and go for 150 yards and 3 touchdowns and prove me wrong, just as I'm sure most guys would that are blaming this game on him.

I can't stand the blind fans on here that act as if when you say anything negative about the team it makes you less of a fan. No, it makes you realistic.

Calling a spade a spade, Moss lost this ball game. Of course there were other plays that could have been made and the clock management could have been better, but you cannot say with a straight face that the mistakes Moss made today were not complete momentum killers that inevitably lost this game.


i agree. i love moss just as much as the next guy, but he's been pretty bad this season. he doesn't seem right, and today it blew up. i hope he gets back on track.

[Bruiserk]

It wasn't only Moss that lost us this game. It was the inability of our TEAM to hold onto the ball. Whether catching, or carrying, we could not hold onto the ball. That is why we lost today. No one player is to blame.


Another question is, why can't we go a single game without losing someone to a hamstring, or groin problem? Whoever is in charge of conditioning, Bubba Tyer or whoever, needs to be put on notice.

As easily as our players get injured, you'd think they were baseball players.

[edit]
Oh, and if you're not going to just flat out cut Lloyd, then give him a broom and let him sweep up at Redskin's Park, but whatever you do, don't let that loser near a football field in a 'Skins uniform ever again.

[RonBurgundy&Gold]

Just curious, how exactly was this Lloyds fault in any way shape or form?

Take the blinders off, this one was on Santana, he even said it himself, and not in that "I'll take the heat for my team" sort of way. He was just attrocious.

[soccerdude8821]

A trade?

Wade returned to the game.

Rabach pulled his groin.

Why are people acting like we lost three OL-men today to blown ACL's?

rabach pulled his groin...thats not an injury that just goes away, it will bother him for a while, and yeah wade returned to the game, that was after heyer got hurt and we had 0, yes 0 other oline-men to take his place. Luckily, it was only for a few plays. it is comical to think we do not need another backup or two.

[81artmonk]

Yet again, we lose a game we should have won. Lavar Arrington said it best on the post game show, "When you win 2 out of 3 of the battles, you should walk away with a win." We effectively contained the #1 ranked passing offense and shut down their running game. Our defense allowed 10 points. The other 7 came on that fumble return. Without that play, we could have very well won the game. But it wasn't just that play.

Although it pains me to say this, Santana Moss really fell apart in this game. He didn't just fumble the ball on that play, he dropped 5 passes that were very catchable, especially for someone of his skill. I'm tempted to say the conditions played a part, but that didn't seem to stop Cooley from having a career day. It was by far his worse day as a Redskins in recent memory and I think he knows that. He hasn't put up his 2005 numbers in a long time and his injuries seem to be mounting. I sure hope he steps up soon. He'll have to or his job may be in jeopardy because McCardell stepped up and we have Lloyd, Thrash, and Caldwell in the wings, who would be happy to get a chance.

But at the same time, our O-line was decimated again. We didn't just lose one man, we lost 3. I was tempted to think back to the body bag game in 1990 because now we're in big trouble if we don't have an O-line to block for our backs and protect Campbell. I believe we'll see a trade in the next few day. We need it. And we'll lose another draft pick because of it. But at this point we don't have a choice.

We lost this game for the same reason we lost the Giants game. We could not execute and things just didn't go our way. The ball bounced in favor of the Packers with the turnovers and the injuries. The second half was theirs and there was nothing we could do to fight back because we just couldn't execute.

But I do take comfort in the memory that the Giant's loss spurred us to beat up the Lions. Hopefully we can do the same against Arizona at home and get our swaggar back because we'll need it for New England. :helmet:


Basically it's a different team with the same results, year after year. For some reason, the Redskins just cannot excute on a consistant basis game after game.

IMO, Portis isn't happy. He doesn't look fired up or have any kind of passion to get things done. When I see him on the field he acts as if, it's a job and that's it. However, when Betts hits the field, he acts as though his one run will win the game and tries to punish people.

Is anyone aware of just how many INT's we have dropped?? Quit a few which could have changed games outcomes.

Campbell, is good, but seems to be afraid to make it happen, or is told by the coaching staff to keep it reigned in. He has open guys every game but holds the ball to long for some reason, I think he is afraid to make a mistake, or too many mistakes.

Our Oline is history! IMO I don't see us going too far with the O-line as is. Sorry, but you can't expect to win with 3rd string players. That's why they are 3rd string.

We have scary talent, but nothing to show for it. Same result, different year. I am not too sure why that is, but it is frustrating. Today of all days, Dallas lost and we always seem to screw ourselves when we can take advantage of a dallas loss.

[cozmikbuffalo]

why we lost?

http://www.santanamoss.org/images/contact.jpg

If he didn't play, we would have won this game.

Correcta mundo, give that man a cupie doll.

[FrFan]

Santana made a big mistake (I forgive him), but on the other hand we were unable to come back and put points on the board when we had the opportunity such as 4th and 2 !. I would have gone for a dink and dunk to Cooley or Sellers.

[redfreak57]

You're a jackass,no one player in this game caused the skins to lose..After all that santana has done for this team you would think he would'nt be thrown under the bus so quickly...Some people are such tool's.

I agree, people shouldn't be so quick to point the finger and say "bench him" or "trade him" etc etc. It was several things that could have changed the game. Yes Moss did have a horrible game but if you are going to critize him then critize Mike Sellers for dropping a pass that would have converted a 3rd down, critize Chris Cooley for not going that extra yard, critize Brandon Llyod for not reaching further than he already did (which he tried extremely hard to get that ball)...Moss was trying out there and just had a bad day, everyone has bad days...just ask Tony Romo :dallasuck Don't be so hard on these guys for this game, just another we should have won game and move on.

[squatch66]

Santana made a big mistake (I forgive him), but on the other hand we were unable to come back and put points on the board when we had the opportunity such as 4th and 2 !. I would have gone for a dink and dunk to Cooley or Sellers.

i said the same thing. betts had a defender on him right out of the backfield. i think that we should have given it to sellers up the gut, or even better gone play action over the top because i think green bay was expecting something around the first down marker.

[squatch66]

Oh, and if you're not going to just flat out cut Lloyd, then give him a broom and let him sweep up at Redskin's Park, but whatever you do, don't let that loser near a football field in a 'Skins uniform ever again.

dude what are you talking about? when lloyd went flat out on that ball that was the most effort i have ever seen him exert in a skins uniform. i thought he ran a good route but jason just overthrew him. he almost pulled that pass in and with as slick as it was he probably would have slid into the endzone.

[redfreak57]

dude what are you talking about? when lloyd went flat out on that ball that was the most effort i have ever seen him exert in a skins uniform. i thought he ran a good route but jason just overthrew him. he almost pulled that pass in and with as slick as it was he probably would have slid into the endzone.

I agree, Lloyd did put alot of effort into that and tried to get it and would have slid into the endzone. I think lloyd should get another shot instead of just letting him chill with all that money on the sideline, he looks like he wants to help the team, against the Lions he had that one catch but did you see the effort to get that 9 yards. I say give him at least 3 more throws :laugh: really though he desires another look

[mrtacconi]

A trade?

Wade returned to the game.

Rabach pulled his groin.

Why are people acting like we lost three OL-men today to blown ACL's?good thing wade returned....kampmann was missing his *itch

[squatch66]

I agree, Lloyd did put alot of effort into that and tried to get it and would have slid into the endzone. I think lloyd should get another shot instead of just letting him chill with all that money on the sideline, he looks like he wants to help the team, against the Lions he had that one catch but did you see the effort to get that 9 yards. I say give him at least 3 more throws :laugh: really though he desires another look

seriously i think the coaches should just throw him out there and be like "here you go. sink or swim." if he sinks then cut him, if he swims then we know we have a reciever. make the rest of this season a tryout to make next years team.

[NewCliche21]

why we lost?

http://www.santanamoss.org/images/contact.jpg

If he didn't play, we would have won this game.

Wait, is Santana actually HOLDING the ball there? NO WAY!

And as for Lloyd in the endzone: He DROPPED the ball, again. Stop making excuses for players who don't perform.

Offense to not slit your wrists over: Campbell, Cooley.

That's it.

[squatch66]

Wait, is Santana actually HOLDING the ball there? NO WAY!

And as for Lloyd in the endzone: He DROPPED the ball, again. Stop making excuses for players who don't perform.

Offense to not slit your wrists over: Campbell, Cooley.

That's it.

please tell me that you are kidding when you say excuses. i give credit where credit is due and lloyd made a good effort on that ball. he ran a good route, got a step on his man, and went flat out to almost make a great catch and a possible touchdown.

if lloyd had pulled up and said the ball was over my head and i still said that, that is making excuses.

[NewCliche21]

please tell me that you are kidding when you say excuses. i give credit where credit is due and lloyd made a good effort on that ball. he ran a good route, got a step on his man, and went flat out to almost make a great catch and a possible touchdown.

if lloyd had pulled up and said the ball was over my head and i still said that, that is making excuses.

He's never, ever made a play on this team.

Other receivers make that catch.

Hell, Lloyd made it with the 49ers.

He just didn't make it, or ANYTHING else, since he's been disgracing our colors.

[mrtacconi]

whether he gets the opportunities or not, regardless of the circumstances...i expected a hell of a lot more out of our 30 million dollar 4th? receiver

[Wyvern]

Moss played very badly yesterday. I don't think you can blame that on Lloyd.

Well, at least Lloyd got a chance to catch a ball -- even though it was overthrown. Still, he didn't stink up the play as some would seem to think. I thought Lloyd made a great effort -- first to get a step ahead of his coverage, and second, to stretch himself out to catch the overthrown ball. It showed his potential, and indicated that with a little more timing practice -- Campbell to Lloyd could be a good combination.

I just wish Lloyd had gotten a few more chances to catch a pass, and Moss had been given a few less.

[Chief skin]

We made Mistales, and missed opportumities, then we failed to capitalize on therer mistakes . We lose

[Veretax]

You broke the forum rules, you are going vs everyone here bro... You cant say a bad thing about Smoss, CP or any of the players from the U in a negative tone or they will call you a jack ass, dumbass etc... Why is it hard for anyone to see why we really lost the game today. Why all the hate towards the fans that actually see the reasons behing the loss?

So he speaks the truth and he's now breaking the rules? Seriously, this Game is on moss. If he catches just one of those balls in the second half. Just one! that's another first down, ten more yards to go, and maybe a better a Tie that puts us into OT rather than trying to run the field with under 2 minutes left. I don't blame portis for his fumble, at least he tried to make something happen. Was it wrong in the end, yeah it was.



Earlier in the season when Moss was dropping balls, I though "eh, he'll get it together". After today, I honestly don't know whats going on with him. What I do know is that he'll always be a Redskins legend after the Dallas game in 05 but that Santana Moss has been nowhere to be found since then.

Of course I'd love for Santana to come out and go for 150 yards and 3 touchdowns and prove me wrong, just as I'm sure most guys would that are blaming this game on him.

I can't stand the blind fans on here that act as if when you say anything negative about the team it makes you less of a fan. No, it makes you realistic.

Calling a spade a spade, Moss lost this ball game. Of course there were other plays that could have been made and the clock management could have been better, but you cannot say with a straight face that the mistakes Moss made today were not complete momentum killers that inevitably lost this game.


Don't get me wrong, I wanted to DRAFT santana that year, I don't want the guy to leave, but I think you got to sit him until he gets his mind fixed. Missing that many catches isn't asymptomatic of some problem just holding on to the ball, but of a lack of mental toughness. I don't care what the weather is. What I can't figure out is why they don't rotate the Wide Receivers while santana struggles, get thras, caldwell and McCardell. Heck Lloyd had one catch averted due to a bad formation by Heyer. and if Campbell is a bit more on target scores the winning touchdown. I'm sick of this stuff about Lloyd. Give santana some Rest, and let LLoyd carry some load until he gets his mind straightened out I say


Just curious, how exactly was this Lloyds fault in any way shape or form?

Take the blinders off, this one was on Santana, he even said it himself, and not in that "I'll take the heat for my team" sort of way. He was just attrocious.


This game was not Lloyd's fault, he was thrown at three times, caught once, nearly caught one that was just overthrown, and another one :/

[Geneva]

The Redskins whipped the Redskins again in the 3rd and 4th Qtr, with a little help from the Packers.....A team that should be 5-0 is now 3-2. We found the enemy and they are us....

Lets face it we out played the pack and still lost the game again. I don't know what we should do or can do to fix this problem but this is how it may have to play out.
Campbell is doing his best and may have to carry this offense. The O line is banged up and can't seem to run block so like Green Bay we may need to win through the air.
We need to put our best 11 players on the field to do this and that IMO leaves CP and Moss on the bench...These are key players who have not played well for two years.
Williams and the defense CAN keep us in games and should continue to put some points on the board this season.
This is still a very good football team but needs a change in direction. This offense looks offensive at times and needs to attack other teams when we get a lead. The attitude of the players along with the play calling needs to change.
Mental attitude or who want's it most is what football is all about. Other players need to look at Taylor and his effort on each play. This is a game of kick ass and we need to start kicking....

[RDSKNfaithfull]

2 reasons

1~ we almost had to Play Alexander at tackle and our offense folded.
2~ I think the man himself will tell you he lost the game (#89)

[Bat~man]

we should have won but , we aren't that good yet , good teams don't implode and find ways to lose the way we did , Moss and Portis didn't have a bad year last year Portis actually was doing pretty good b4 he got hurt , the entire offense was bad last year , this year Moss and Portis aren't doing so hot but all out benching them isn't going to fix it ..

[TrumanB]

Looking at this objectively and trying not to let emotion get in the way, it is obvious that both Moss and Portis need to be benched. Portis has put it on the ground 3 games in row and Moss can't seem to catch anything this year.

It's time to get guys in there that can make plays and limit mistakes. We need to see what Betts can do carrying the load again and we need to elevate Randel-El to the #1 WR position (move Thrash to #2 and McCardell to #3). It's all about performance and both Moss and Portis have hurt us more than helped us this season.

[Bat~man]

Looking at this objectively and trying not to let emotion get in the way, it is obvious that both Moss and Portis need to be benched. Portis has put it on the ground 3 games in row and Moss can't seem to catch anything this year.

It's time to get guys in there that can make plays and limit mistakes. We need to see what Betts can do carrying the load again and we need to elevate Randel-El to the #1 WR position (move Thrash to #2 and McCardell to #3). It's all about performance and both Moss and Portis have hurt us more than helped us this season.


just funny , maybe Moss hurts us but hes the number 1 for a reason , there is a reason why Thrash is number 3 .... Moss needs to get it together no doubt about it but you think its going to be magically fixed just by benching him and moving up the other WRs ? lol ok

[Oldfan]

When the game is lost by one score, we can always go back and find one player or one play to blame. If Green Bay had lost by three, their fans would have been screaming about the two questionable calls that cost them TDs.

I thought it was a sloppily played game, partly due to the weather, and partly due to the fact that neither NFC team was as good as their record going into the game.

Favre was terrible. He underthrew and hung the ball up on three receivers open deep. Maybe it was the heavier, wet ball, maybe he doesn't have the arm strength anymore, or maybe it's both.

We could have won the game, sure. But, we can't really say we should have won it.

[TheGreek1973]

I can't believe people want to sugarcoat Moss this morning. We were ready to kill Lloyd because he didn't run hard enough to tackle a player after an INT and we should dismiss 5 drops, one resulting in an INT and a fumble that was the difference in the game? 12 catches people. that is how many catches Moss has in 2007. 12 catches. For a number one reciever that is beyond pathetic. And if you figure how many balls were thrown his way to make those catches then you can't ignore the fact that Moss just might be the single most important factor in our two loses to date.

Now I am not saying cut him for ****s sakes. All I am saying please get the boy healthy before he plays again. that last bomb he dropped (hit him right on the face mask) was due to the hammy hurting again. We need to make sure this guy is 100% before he steps back on to the field. And get Lloyd in the game please. Thrash is ok as a 3rd or 4th receiver not second. And if the coaching staff can't get this guy to learn the playbook or run correct plays or he has an attitude problem do the right thing for once and make him inactive. But having him on the sideline when your number one receiver has a fumble, 5 drops and caused an INT is crazy.

[TheGreek1973]

When the game is lost by one score, we can always go back and find one player or one play to blame. If Green Bay had lost by three, their fans would have been screaming about the two questionable calls that cost them TDs.

I thought it was a sloppily played game, partly due to the weather, and partly due to the fact that neither NFC team was as good as their record going into the game.

Favre was terrible. He underthrew and hung the ball up on three receivers open deep. Maybe it was the heavier, wet ball, maybe he doesn't have the arm strength anymore, or maybe it's both.

We could have won the game, sure. But, we can't really say we should have won it.

Green Bay fans are screaming about the refs with the two TDs. But we can also scream about that pathetic cupout call on Thrash, the face mask on Portis on 3rd down and 1 in Packer territory which he didn't make and all the effing holding the Packer line was doing on Monty and Griffen the entire game. Btw why don't the packer fans go back and check the game. Griffen especially got held so much his entire jersey was pulled out.

[flexxskins]

please tell me that you are kidding when you say excuses. i give credit where credit is due and lloyd made a good effort on that ball. he ran a good route, got a step on his man, and went flat out to almost make a great catch and a possible touchdown.

if lloyd had pulled up and said the ball was over my head and i still said that, that is making excuses.Lloyd doesn't get millions of dollars to simply make a good effort. He gets paid the big bucks to produce. The bottom line is simple, the ball hit him in and went straight through his hands. A professional WR is suppose to catch the football when it hits his hands.

I am not one of those fans who are advocating releasing or trading Lloyd. I am simply saying that for whatever reason, Lloyd is not doing what he is getting paid to do.

[RedskinsNation]

why we lost?

http://www.santanamoss.org/images/contact.jpg

If he didn't play, we would have won this game.

Your DEAD RIGHT. Thats all that needs to be said.

Close the thread after that comment and we move on to Arizona.

[clskinsfan]

You're a jackass,no one player in this game caused the skins to lose..After all that santana has done for this team you would think he would'nt be thrown under the bus so quickly...Some people are such tool's.

the man is not a jackass he is right. If santana does not play we win this game. HE had 5 drops one of which was interceplted in Green Bay territory. HIS fumble let directly to a return for 6 points. If he doesnt fumble we win this game. period.

[Hailskinz1991]

Dont even mention the New England game. Im taking cover for that game.

I feel you brother. I am already looking for flights to Guam or Fiji or Anatarctica that week.

[Taylor 36]

Earlier in the season when Moss was dropping balls, I though "eh, he'll get it together". After today, I honestly don't know whats going on with him. What I do know is that he'll always be a Redskins legend after the Dallas game in 05 but that Santana Moss has been nowhere to be found since then.

Of course I'd love for Santana to come out and go for 150 yards and 3 touchdowns and prove me wrong, just as I'm sure most guys would that are blaming this game on him.

I can't stand the blind fans on here that act as if when you say anything negative about the team it makes you less of a fan. No, it makes you realistic.

Calling a spade a spade, Moss lost this ball game. Of course there were other plays that could have been made and the clock management could have been better, but you cannot say with a straight face that the mistakes Moss made today were not complete momentum killers that inevitably lost this game. :applause: Exactly. I also find it ironic that some of the people calling people jack asses for saying Moss lost us this game, which he did, are some of the same people who threw Mark Brunell under the bus quicker than anything. MB made some great plays and won us some great games, but people always say, "Yeah, but that was two years ago. He's too banged up now...blah, blah, blah."

Well, Moss has won us some great games and made some great plays, but he hasn't done ANYTHING for us so far this season, and he is constatnly nursing some injury. The truth is, I don't know if/what Moss has left. I would love for him to prove me wrong, but yesterday's game was him proving me right. Had he held on to two of the five easy catches he dropped, never mind the fumble, it could have been a completely different out come.

Don't forget, he is responsible for a fumble for a TD and n interception in yesterday's game. As bad as our O line was banged up, we could have easily won that game 14 -10.

[laurent]

There's exactly one reason we lost, not catching the damn ball. You can look at the injuries and turnovers, but at the end of the day we would have easily overcome them if we had just caught the damn ball.

[Smoot Point Really]

You're a jackass,no one player in this game caused the skins to lose..After all that santana has done for this team you would think he would'nt be thrown under the bus so quickly...Some people are such tool's.

Yeah, no one player lost it... It was two players: Carlos helped. :)

[Skinsfansince72]

The defense held the Pack to 10 points.....that was great.

Campbell had a great game, The O-line did a good job for the injuries they went through. There are not too many things bad I can say about the game.......except for two things.

Carlos Rogers is NOT a #2 CB, and SMoss had his worst game as a pro.



Now I am not one to ever say that one man lost the game for us, because I believe it is a team effort no matter if we win or lose.

But Moss dropped balls that were very catchable, and had that fumble at a time when we were driving the ball in Pack territory.



Yes it is a team effort, but the team (I think) played very well.....except for two players. Sorry, but truth is truth.

[carlsbadd]

When the game is lost by one score, we can always go back and find one player or one play to blame. If Green Bay had lost by three, their fans would have been screaming about the two questionable calls that cost them TDs.

I thought it was a sloppily played game, partly due to the weather, and partly due to the fact that neither NFC team was as good as their record going into the game.

Favre was terrible. He underthrew and hung the ball up on three receivers open deep. Maybe it was the heavier, wet ball, maybe he doesn't have the arm strength anymore, or maybe it's both.

We could have won the game, sure. But, we can't really say we should have won it.


That mirrors pretty much how I feel about it.

I thought that this game would be decided by 1 or 2 plays and who makes them or not make them.

I am worried about Portis and his fumbles, is he hiding some kind of hand/arm injury we don't know about??

Again there is seemed to be some time management issues and why not at least challlenge the Moss fumble for down by contact.

As long as We stay at 500 or above there is reason to hope for a playoff season.

[NewCliche21]

The defense held the Pack to 10 points.....that was great.

Campbell had a great game, The O-line did a good job for the injuries they went through. There are not too many things bad I can say about the game.......except for two things.

Carlos Rogers is NOT a #2 CB, and SMoss had his worst game as a pro.



Now I am not one to ever say that one man lost the game for us, because I believe it is a team effort no matter if we win or lose.

But Moss dropped balls that were very catchable, and had that fumble at a time when we were driving the ball in Pack territory.



Yes it is a team effort, but the team (I think) played very well.....except for two players. Sorry, but truth is truth.

Rogers went against a guy who had 50 pounds on him and turned that play from a possible touchdown to a first down at the spot of the foul.

Rogers has been pretty lights out all season, stop regurgitating last year's garbage as though it were still true. I never thought I'd say this, but I'm happy with our corners.

[DiscoBob]

Anybody have a replay of the Thrash mugging?

[TrumanB]

just funny , maybe Moss hurts us but hes the number 1 for a reason , there is a reason why Thrash is number 3 .... Moss needs to get it together no doubt about it but you think its going to be magically fixed just by benching him and moving up the other WRs ? lol ok
Who says that anything is going to be magically fixed. Moss and Portis aren't the only reason this team consistently finds ways to lose. I don't even want to get into the coaching staff. But, when players consistently put the ball on the ground (whether that's fumbles or dropping passes), you have to find someone else that won't do that. It really is that simple. Why is everyone quick to bench a QB when he throws interceptions, but not any other player.

[DGreenistheBest]

Despite all the mistakes mentioned in this thread, this game is still a W for the Skins without those last crucial sacks against us. The o-line is depleted from injuries. Signing some guys to those positions is critical; the sooner they get into our system, they sooner we are giving JC more time in the pocket. The Cowboys tried much harder to give their game to the Bills away than we did for GB and they still managed to get a win. Without those sacks, we pull out games despite all our mistakes. Our backup o-linemen are doing a great job most of the time but we have no depth at that position at all; more signings are a necessity.

[SkinzFoLife]

You're a jackass,no one player in this game caused the skins to lose..After all that santana has done for this team you would think he would'nt be thrown under the bus so quickly...Some people are such tool's.

uh, yes, one player did cause us to lose this game. His fumble gave Green Bay 7, his INT lost us another 3 at least, his drop deep down the sideline lost us AT LEAST another 3. So the score COULD'VE have been 20-10 in the Skins favor. But could've, would've, should've. Its done, on to Arizona.

[81artmonk]

I can't believe people want to sugarcoat Moss this morning. We were ready to kill Lloyd because he didn't run hard enough to tackle a player after an INT and we should dismiss 5 drops, one resulting in an INT and a fumble that was the difference in the game? 12 catches people. that is how many catches Moss has in 2007. 12 catches. For a number one reciever that is beyond pathetic. And if you figure how many balls were thrown his way to make those catches then you can't ignore the fact that Moss just might be the single most important factor in our two loses to date.

Now I am not saying cut him for ****s sakes. All I am saying please get the boy healthy before he plays again. that last bomb he dropped (hit him right on the face mask) was due to the hammy hurting again. We need to make sure this guy is 100% before he steps back on to the field. And get Lloyd in the game please. Thrash is ok as a 3rd or 4th receiver not second. And if the coaching staff can't get this guy to learn the playbook or run correct plays or he has an attitude problem do the right thing for once and make him inactive. But having him on the sideline when your number one receiver has a fumble, 5 drops and caused an INT is crazy.


I would agree somewhat, Alot of the passes thrown to Moss have been very hard passes to catch, either overthrown or underthrown. Campbell hasn't been giving him good throws. Having said that, about 50% have been catchable and should have. Moss is having a bad season so far.

The issue which I don't think you brought up, but I will talk about is Loyd. I don't think it is him per say. I think it's campbell. If you aren't looking for other players, than tend to miss your teammates. Why has moss been lacking and Randle El gotten so may catches?? He can't be the only one open on the field??

My example to prove this. We let David Patten go. He now plays for the Saints. Last night, he caught numerous balls and was making plays last night. He never did that in Washington. IMO Brees is looking his way more than the other players, and so he gets the ball. I just don't think Loyd is getting the looks from Campbell, while El is.

[MEANDWARF]

Simple we lost because the Packers scored 17pts and we only scored 14.:D