The Giants

[skinsfan1523]

I don't know about y'all but I am not as impressed with this team as everyone else seems to be. In their last 4 weeks they have played maybe the 4 worst teams in the NFL, with maybe the exception of the iggles, but the Jets, Falcons, and 49ers are definentely not good.
And now next week against Miami, they play a team that is a shell of its already bad team. The Dolphins have lost Trent Green, traded their best receiver, and have now also lost Ronnie Brown. The Giants are playing the worst of the worst, and everyone is acting like they're the best all of a sudden. I don't understand it, people were talking of them not even winning a game this year, and now they're going to the superbowl.
People are saying it's because their defense is playing better, but they have not played a team that can take advantage of their weaknesses in about 4 weeks. They have a terrible secondary, all you have to do is block usi and strahan, and you can kill them all day.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

The fact is, they are dominating these teams. If they were just winning, that would be one thing. But they are beating them handily. But I do understand your point. In less than three weeks a lot will be told in the Meadowlands against that "powerhouse" in Dallas.

[Frediemac]

I don't know about y'all but I am not as impressed with this team as everyone else seems to be. In their last 4 weeks they have played maybe the 4 worst teams in the NFL, with maybe the exception of the iggles, but the Jets, Falcons, and 49ers are definentely not good.
And now next week against Miami, they play a team that is a shell of its already bad team. The Dolphins have lost Trent Green, traded their best receiver, and have now also lost Ronnie Brown. The Giants are playing the worst of the worst, and everyone is acting like they're the best all of a sudden. I don't understand it, people were talking of them not even winning a game this year, and now they're going to the superbowl.
People are saying it's because their defense is playing better, but they have not played a team that can take advantage of their weaknesses in about 4 weeks. They have a terrible secondary, all you have to do is block usi and strahan, and you can kill them all day.

I hate the GIANTS but you have to give credit where credit is due and they manage to beat us. And as the previous poster noted they have looked rock solid since beating our Skins. Let's just hope the stiffer competition gets them in a funk. or beats their tails. :cheers:

[skinsfan07]

and they play the 0-7 Dolphins next..........joy.

[Taylor4Life]

We gave the Giants a new lease on life in week 3. This was a team that was on the ropes.

I give them a ton of credit for fighting out of that early season funk.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

']The fact is, they are dominating these teams. If they were just winning, that would be one thing. But they are beating them handily. But I do understand your point. In less than three weeks a lot will be told in the Meadowlands against that "powerhouse" in Dallas.

Doesn't matter-W's are W's. Both the Giants and Dallas are definitely playing with a swagger now. And despite some key injuries, the Skins are hanging in there nicely.

[InTikiITrust]

Doesn't matter-W's are W's. Both the Giants and Dallas are definitely playing with a swagger now. And despite some key injuries, the Skins are hanging in there nicely.

Does matter. Blowing out teams builds confidence and confidence can make any good team a great team. Not say the Giants will be great but I'd rather take a confident team than a team that doubts itself.

[NoCalMike]

The thing about the NFL is, the season is so short that winning is winning, no matter how you slice it. In MLB a team can get hot and fool a lot of people, and then reality strikes and they fall....however in the NFL, with only 16 games, if a team hits it's peak at the right time, gets hot, and pulls off a few wins in a row, it can mean a playoff berth.

Look back over the last ten years and look at how many average teams are playing on WildCard weekend.

[BayouBrave86]

The Giants scare me more than the Cowboys. If Eli doesn't have his annual late-season meltdown, they'll be the favorites in the NFC in my opinion. If the Redskins can prove that they have a legit offense and get healthy on the O-line, well..maybe I'll put them at number 1. The season still has a ways to go though, but right now, things are looking great for the Giants.

[NoCalMike]

I'd say the Redskins & Giants are a lot more physical then the Cowboys. The Cowboys are definately a finesse team and don't take kindly to being punched in the face by the opposing team.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

I'd say the Redskins & Giants are a lot more physical then the Cowboys. The Cowboys are definately a finesse team and don't take kindly to being punched in the face by the opposing team.

Dallas is pretty physical too-even the Bears talked about it quite a bit after we played them.

[Eli to Burress]

So while the Giants got to beat up on the 49er's the Skins were playing the Card's. I hardly see the Giants holding an advantage. The Skins got the Dolphins at home to kick their season off and now it's the Giants who get off easy because they have to fly to London to play them in week 8?


We all play the same schedule with the exception of 2 teams. The Giants played the 49er's from the West while the Skins got to play the Card's, which by the way, lost to the 49er's this year. Dallas got to play the Rams who may finish the season 0-16 and they also lost to the 49er's. It's the same thing with the South. We got Atlanta but Dallas gets the Panther's led by Vinny or Carr and the Skins got the Buc's who just lost to the Lions.


In the end the games the teams play within the division will have much more to do with the final standings then the 2 teams we play from the West and South.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

So while the Giants got to beat up on the 49er's the Skins were playing the Card's. I hardly see the Giants holding an advantage. The Skins got the Dolphins at home to kick their season off and now it's the Giants who get off easy because they have to fly to London to play them in week 8?


We all play the same schedule with the exception of 2 teams. The Giants played the 49er's from the West while the Skins got to play the Card's, which by the way, lost to the 49er's this year. Dallas got to play the Rams who may finish the season 0-16 and they also lost to the 49er's. It's the same thing with the South. We got Atlanta but Dallas gets the Panther's led by Vinny or Carr and the Skins got the Buc's who just lost to the Lions.


In the end the games the teams play within the division will have much more to do with the final standings then the 2 teams we play from the West and South.

Not to mention too while it took a miracle for us to beat Buffalo, this same team also happened to beat a pretty good Ravens team. And the same Bills team who barely lost to Denver, this same Broncos team pretty much smacked around an AFC "powerhouse" Steelers team, and this same Pitt team smacked the Bills.

I agree-none of this makes sense at all-our head to head meetings is what will count the most.

[scruffylookin]

I had the Giants as a 10 loss team at the beginning of the season :doh: so I really can't say much.

They've won 5 in a row, that's damn good I don't care who they've played.

[InTikiITrust]

I'd say the Redskins & Giants are a lot more physical then the Cowboys. The Cowboys are definately a finesse team and don't take kindly to being punched in the face by the opposing team.

Have you seen the Dallas offensive line? And I really don't consider Marion Barber a finesse guy, he runs hard. T.O. plays physical, Witten is a good TE who doesn't mind getting hit, same with a lot of guys on their offense. Their defense, with Ware and Spencer, likes to hit people too I assume.

Finesse team? I don't see it.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

']The fact is, they are dominating these teams. If they were just winning, that would be one thing. But they are beating them handily. But I do understand your point. In less than three weeks a lot will be told in the Meadowlands against that "powerhouse" in Dallas.

Whoa whoa... slow your roll.

I'm not gonna bash the Giants, because they have already won more games than I thought they would this year, but "dominating" is a strong word. They dominated the Trent Dilfer led 49ers, but they almost lost to the Jets. They played well against the Falcons too, but dominated? C'mon.

[barens2]

Whoa whoa... slow your roll.

I'm not gonna bash the Giants, because they have already won more games than I thought they would this year, but "dominating" is a strong word. They dominated the Trent Dilfer led 49ers, but they almost lost to the Jets. They played well against the Falcons too, but dominated? C'mon.

I gotta tell ya, the Jets are better than their record indicates. They've kept almost all of their games close, except against New England. They'll be a better team with Clemens, IMO.

The Falcons, they've kept most of their games close as well.

Dominating probably too strong a word, but most of those teams we handled easily.

[Chachie]

The New Yawk Footbawl G-Men never go away. I predict their demise every season and they rise from the ashes to make the post season, bettering the Redskins. I hope we find some 2nd half offense soon or it's more of the same in the Meadowlands.

[pjfootballer]

Not to mention too while it took a miracle for us to beat Buffalo, this same team also happened to beat a pretty good Ravens team. And the same Bills team who barely lost to Denver, this same Broncos team pretty much smacked around an AFC "powerhouse" Steelers team, and this same Pitt team smacked the Bills.

I agree-none of this makes sense at all-our head to head meetings is what will count the most.

And a Pitt team that lost to Arizona. It has come full circle. :applause:

[NFC Beast]

We are playing some bad teams right now, and the Miami game should be easy, notice I said SHOULD because we tend to lose gimme games in the past.

But still, we beat you guys at your own house. Our D is definatly a heck of a lot better than what it was 5 weeks ago, and we are getting healthier, which is key. If we start losing players to injury, kiss it out the window.

I do see us beating Dallas as they also have played a softer schedule, in fact, so have the Pats. In fact, so is everyone in the NFC east. It will come down to the division record in the NFC east since we all beat up on each other. Right now we are 2-1 and on a roll.

Like I said though, the true test for us will be 11/11 vs Dallas.

Go Giants

[NY1]

Whoa whoa... slow your roll.

I'm not gonna bash the Giants, because they have already won more games than I thought they would this year, but "dominating" is a strong word. They dominated the Trent Dilfer led 49ers, but they almost lost to the Jets. They played well against the Falcons too, but dominated? C'mon.


They almost lost to the Jets?

The Jets scored 17 of their 24 points on a kickoff return, fumble return, and a FG off an interception where they didn't get a yard after the pick.

Much like the Redskins-Giants game, the only reason they were in the game was the Giants' mistakes and ineptitude.


Even in the 2 games they lost, the Giants were fairly good position to win. The Cowgirls were up 3 points with 4 minutes left and had a 3rd and 7. Unfortunately, they got a 52 yard TD pass on that play. The Giants had the lead at the half over the Packers and were trailing 21-13 in the 4th quarter when a rookie fumbled and lost the kickoff. The final score wasn't really indicative of how the game went.

If they lose either of these next 2 games, then they deserve to be called overrated.

[kmd24]

They almost lost to the Jets?

The Jets scored 17 of their 24 points on a kickoff return, fumble return, and a FG off an interception where they didn't get a yard after the pick.

Much like the Redskins-Giants game, the only reason they were in the game was the Giants' mistakes and ineptitude.


Looking at the play-by-play, it looks like the Jets had the ball in Giants territory on 5 of 6 drives in the first half. They managed to miss a shortish FG and throw a pick, or the game might have been a bit different at the half.

In the second half, the Jets went three-and-out on their first offensive possesion, but then drove to the Giants 23 before turning the ball over on another bad interception. To the Giants' credit, they capitalized on mistakes late in the game, but up until the second Pennington interception, the Jets had moved the ball reasonably well, to the tune of 246 yards on 7 "real" drives through three quarters.

[AzSkinsFan63]

Seem to be the real team to beat in the NFC East so far

[Eli to Burress]

Looking at the play-by-play, it looks like the Jets had the ball in Giants territory on 5 of 6 drives in the first half. They managed to miss a shortish FG and throw a pick, or the game might have been a bit different at the half.

In the second half, the Jets went three-and-out on their first offensive possesion, but then drove to the Giants 23 before turning the ball over on another bad interception. To the Giants' credit, they capitalized on mistakes late in the game, but up until the second Pennington interception, the Jets had moved the ball reasonably well, to the tune of 246 yards on 7 "real" drives through three quarters.
You could do that with every game though. I could look at the Skins/Cards game and wonder how they held on to win that game. The stats favor the Cards. Int the Eagles/Skins game the Eagles seem to spend the whole 4th quarter on the Skins side of the field trying to punch it in. In the end though, the Skins came away with the victory so they must have done something right.

[kmd24]

You could do that with every game though. I could look at the Skins/Cards game and wonder how they held on to win that game. The stats favor the Cards. Int the Eagles/Skins game the Eagles seem to spend the whole 4th quarter on the Skins side of the field trying to punch it in. In the end though, the Skins came away with the victory so they must have done something right.

I don't think anyone said something like "Much like the Redskins-Giants game, the only reason they were in the game was the Giants' mistakes and ineptitude." about either of those games. It's pretty clear that the Jets were competitive against the Giants.

[Soup]

Look the skins had that game going into the half. The giants didn't beat the skins that day. The skins shot themselves as usual. They are so over-rated. I can't wait to see them again.

[doncherry]

I'd say the Redskins & Giants are a lot more physical then the Cowboys. The Cowboys are definately a finesse team and don't take kindly to being punched in the face by the opposing team.

have you watched Dallas play? Finesse? They have the largest OL in the league and Marion Barber runs like a beast, and his physicality is contagious. Just because a team likes to throw the ball doesn't mean that they are not physical. I would say that it is virtually impossible to separate any of the top 3 teams in the NFC East based on their tendency to play physical.

[KiwiSupaFlyNuka]

Look the skins had that game going into the half. The giants didn't beat the skins that day. The skins shot themselves as usual. They are so over-rated. I can't wait to see them again.

I can't wait for the Boys to come to the Meadowlands. Oh, and the Skins too.

[NY1]

I don't think anyone said something like "Much like the Redskins-Giants game, the only reason they were in the game was the Giants' mistakes and ineptitude." about either of those games. It's pretty clear that the Jets were competitive against the Giants.

With all those drives the Jets had, their offense scored SEVEN points. Sure, they missed a FG, but they still were responsible for only 25% of the points they scored in that game. I think it's fair to say the reason the Jets were competitive was because the Giants were inept on special teams and made 2 horrendous turnovers... one turnover went from a first down run to a TD return for the Jets and the other was as clear an example of Tom Coughlin being clueless as I've ever seen.


I know I'm a Giants homer, but I feel the same way about the Giants-Skins game. The Skins scored 7 points due to solid play by their offense. They were handed 10 points by the Giants due to a turnover they recovered 6 yards from the end zone and a FG where they didn't even get/need a 1st down prior to the kick.


If the Giants could've cut down on mistakes, the opposing teams wouldn't have scored as many points as they did. Those games were competitive, but only due to Giants' mistakes and ineptitude IMO. While the other teams deserve credit for forcing turnovers, it's alarming when they don't have to do anything in order to score points because the turnover occurred so deep in your own territory.

[BlueinBuf]

I don't know about y'all but I am not as impressed with this team as everyone else seems to be. In their last 4 weeks they have played maybe the 4 worst teams in the NFL, with maybe the exception of the iggles, but the Jets, Falcons, and 49ers are definentely not good.
And now next week against Miami, they play a team that is a shell of its already bad team. The Dolphins have lost Trent Green, traded their best receiver, and have now also lost Ronnie Brown. The Giants are playing the worst of the worst, and everyone is acting like they're the best all of a sudden. I don't understand it, people were talking of them not even winning a game this year, and now they're going to the superbowl.
People are saying it's because their defense is playing better, but they have not played a team that can take advantage of their weaknesses in about 4 weeks. They have a terrible secondary, all you have to do is block usi and strahan, and you can kill them all day.


LOL all you have to do is block osi and strahan, guess what that is a lot easier said than done.

[KiwiSupaFlyNuka]

LOL all you have to do is block osi and strahan, guess what that is a lot easier said than done.

Don't forget Tuck and Kiwi...


Nevermind the occasional Blitz from Pierce and Ross.

[Tom [Giants fan]]

I'm not gonna bash the Giants, because they have already won more games than I thought they would this year, but "dominating" is a strong word. They dominated the Trent Dilfer led 49ers, but they almost lost to the Jets. They played well against the Falcons too, but dominated? C'mon.

They outscored the Jets 28-7 in the second half. The Jets scored on a KO return for a TD otherwise that game is won by 17. And I think beating the Falcons 31-10 can be considered dominated.

[kmd24]

With all those drives the Jets had, their offense scored SEVEN points. Sure, they missed a FG, but they still were responsible for only 25% of the points they scored in that game. I think it's fair to say the reason the Jets were competitive was because the Giants were inept on special teams and made 2 horrendous turnovers... one turnover went from a first down run to a TD return for the Jets and the other was as clear an example of Tom Coughlin being clueless as I've ever seen.


Why do the Giant mistakes count but the Jets don't? Since we're playing the could've/should've/would've game, I think I'll claim that the Jets would have won going away if they had scored rather than turning the ball over twice in Giants territory.

In the end, it took a big pass play (with a missed tackle - another Jets mistake) late in the game (8:00 remaining) and *another* interception to seal the deal. For every costly mistake the Giants made, the Jets made one just as costly.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

Why do the Giant mistakes count but the Jets don't? Since we're playing the could've/should've/would've game, I think I'll claim that the Jets would have won going away if they had scored rather than turning the ball over twice in Giants territory.

In the end, it took a big pass play (with a missed tackle - another Jets mistake) late in the game (8:00 remaining) and *another* interception to seal the deal. For every costly mistake the Giants made, the Jets made one just as costly.

Who cares? Bottom line is that as much as it pains me to type this, the Giants are awefully dangerous now.

While I feel we match up with them very well, our next meeting at the Meadowlands scares me.

[DGreenistheBest]

IMO Giants are a bigger threat than the Cowboys right now. Dallas is losing steam as shown by their close games against Buffalo and Minnesota. Giants on the other hand are gaining momentum. I'd take the Giants over the Boys in their next game and the Giants to win the division if the Skins can't find any consistency.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

IMO Giants are a bigger threat than the Cowboys right now. Dallas is losing steam as shown by their close games against Buffalo and Minnesota. Giants on the other hand are gaining momentum. I'd take the Giants over the Boys in their next game and the Giants to win the division if the Skins can't find any consistency.


did i miss something? Dallas DID NOT have a close game with Minny, the won by 10, and had an easy chance to score more but decided not to run up the score. Romo only threw like 7 passes in the 2nd half. They dominated the game...it wasnt close at all.

[Riggo#44]

LOL all you have to do is block osi and strahan, guess what that is a lot easier said than done.

It seems to me that LT's not named Winston Justice have done a fine job of blocking Osi...

[InTikiITrust]

It seems to me that LT's not named Winston Justice have done a fine job of blocking Osi...

SF's LT didn't do a good job last weekend.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

did i miss something? Dallas DID NOT have a close game with Minny, the won by 10, and had an easy chance to score more but decided not to run up the score. Romo only threw like 7 passes in the 2nd half. They dominated the game...it wasnt close at all.

Not only that, Dallas should have blown out Minny at the half(How many pts did they leave on the field?)-so no, it wasn't like they fooled around, did nothing, and waited for Minny to shoot themselves in the foot.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

SF's LT didn't do a good job last weekend.

Osi has made some Pro Bowlers look aweful. Against our Flo Adams 2 years ago, he nearly schooled him.

[Riggo#44]

SF's LT didn't do a good job last weekend.

Well SF's offensive line isn't anything to write home about either. The truth of the matter is outside of the Eagles game, he has 18 tackles and 2 sacks. By comparison, in the same amount of games, Carter has 25 tackes and 5 sacks.

I'd be more worried about Justin Tuck then I would Umenyiora.

[NFC Beast]

It seems to me that LT's not named Winston Justice have done a fine job of blocking Osi...
Funny thing is , Justice only gave up 3 of those sacks. Osi came from all angles that game, including LB up the gut through the guard and center.
Justice did get abused, but not as bad as everyone thinks.

[Riggo#44]

Funny thing is , Justice only gave up 3 of those sacks. Osi came from all angles that game, including LB up the gut through the guard and center.
Justice did get abused, but not as bad as everyone thinks.

Even still, it was one unbelievable game, surroneded by several games where he disappeared and a couple where he was decent.

I'd rather have the consistency of Tuck.

[NFC Beast]

Even still, it was one unbelievable game, surroneded by several games where he disappeared and a couple where he was decent.

I'd rather have the consistency of Tuck.

Well I guess its a good thing we got both... as well as a stronger Strahan and a more aclimated Kiwi to rush from the LB spot.

BTW, Osi was hurt in the first game of the year vs Dallas, first defensive drive. Took a couple weeks to get back on his feet and dominate.

[bubba9497]

the giants have had a cowboy like run of 4/5 bad teams in a row

[Riggo#44]

the giants have had a cowboy like run of 4/5 bad teams in a row

They were 6-2 last year too...

[Bacon]

Not impressed yet. I reserve such an honor for teams that have stretched themselves and succeeded, not simply blown out the bottom-feeders. Besides, they choke every year, and they seem to be getting set up for it once again.

[DGreenistheBest]

did i miss something? Dallas DID NOT have a close game with Minny, the won by 10, and had an easy chance to score more but decided not to run up the score. Romo only threw like 7 passes in the 2nd half. They dominated the game...it wasnt close at all.

Dallas' win over Minnesota was unconvincing at best. 10 points is not enough of a cushion against a team that has any kind of veteran talent or momentum. Just because the boys tooled around for the 4th quarter and nursed their lead against the Vikes doesn't mean any other team in the league wouldn't have dropped 14 points on them in the 4th.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

the giants have had a cowboy like run of 4/5 bad teams in a row

I made that same point in a different thread, The Giants are being hyped way too much.....and are getting considerations of being the best team in the division, because of this win streak!! But i am not buying it. Dallas is just blasted for their powder puff schedule, so i give the same to NY.....Skins, Eagles, Jets, Falcons and then the 49ers......but I will be fair and say this...they can only play the teams that are on the schedule, so its not their fault for winning the games that they "should" win...........

[CowboysSaintsFan]

Dallas' win over Minnesota was unconvincing at best. 10 points is not enough of a cushion against a team that has any kind of veteran talent or momentum. Just because the boys tooled around for the 4th quarter and nursed their lead against the Vikes doesn't mean any other team in the league wouldn't have dropped 14 points on them in the 4th.

I said this in a previous post-the Vikes aren't as bad as their record says they are. Sure-they are underskilled at some positions, but they are a very, very scrappy team. We should have rolled up the score in the first half, but they made alot of scrappy plays that kept them in the game.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Dallas' win over Minnesota was unconvincing at best. 10 points is not enough of a cushion against a team that has any kind of veteran talent or momentum. Just because the boys tooled around for the 4th quarter and nursed their lead against the Vikes doesn't mean any other team in the league wouldn't have dropped 14 points on them in the 4th.

they werent playing "any other" team...they were playing Minny and they whooped them. They did not struggle, and it was not close. They beat them and did it convincingly in the 2nd half. The first Half, Minny hung around with some turnovers and a defensive score, but Dallas controlled that game and outgained them 381-196. They did not struggle. Minny had to punt 7 times in 12 drives and 2 other drives ended on downs. Romo completed 31-39 passes.

Minny led at halftime 14-7, yet were out gained 250-76 in yards, and 16-5 in first downs. It was not a close game

[TEK2000]

All 4 of the Giants last 4 opponents are in the top 10 in sacks allowed.

3 of which would still be in the Top 10 if you take away the Sacks the Giants got against them.

[DGreenistheBest]

they werent playing "any other" team...they were playing Minny and they whooped them. They did not struggle, and it was not close. They beat them and did it convincingly in the 2nd half. The first Half, Minny hung around with some turnovers and a defensive score, but Dallas controlled that game and outgained them 381-196. They did not struggle. Minny had to punt 7 times in 12 drives and 2 other drives ended on downs. Romo completed 31-39 passes.

Minny led at halftime 14-7, yet were out gained 250-76 in yards, and 16-5 in first downs. It was not a close game

10 points is a close game and one field goal in the 4th with 10 minutes left to play is not a whooping. Dallas let the Vikes hang around and the Vikes loafed. A 10-point defecit takes about 1:20-1:40 of clock time to erase.

The fact of the matter is that Dallas keeps everyone involved way too long in their games and eventually, they're going to let a team hang around that takes advantage of it. You cannot expect to beat the Giants with a 10 point lead and 10 minutes left in the game. Same for the Pack, same for Detroit, same for Carolina, same even for the Iggles. If telling yourself that Dallas knew Minnesota couldn't get 10 points and played soft and they wouldn't do that against any other team helps you feel more secure, then I understand.

[TEK2000]

10 points is a close game and one field goal in the 4th with 10 minutes left to play is not a whooping. Dallas let the Vikes hang around and the Vikes loafed. A 10-point defecit takes about 1:20-1:40 of clock time to erase.

The fact of the matter is that Dallas keeps everyone involved way too long in their games and eventually, they're going to let a team hang around that takes advantage of it. You cannot expect to beat the Giants with a 10 point lead and 10 minutes left in the game. Same for the Pack, same for Detroit, same for Carolina, same even for the Iggles. If telling yourself that Dallas knew Minnesota couldn't get 10 points and played soft and they wouldn't do that against any other team helps you feel more secure, then I understand.

... did you watch the game?

[DGreenistheBest]

... did you watch the game?

Yeah, without my blue-starred glasses.

[skinsfan1523]

Funny thing is , Justice only gave up 3 of those sacks. Osi came from all angles that game, including LB up the gut through the guard and center.
Justice did get abused, but not as bad as everyone thinks.

Are you serious? I watched the highlight reel of his night against Justice. He was just running by him everytime, it was a joke.

[TEK2000]

Yeah, without my blue-starred glasses.

The only thing that kept Minny close was the 2 fumbles. Outside of their 1st drive they never even got close to the endzone and only got into FG range once.

[doncherry]

10 points is a close game and one field goal in the 4th with 10 minutes left to play is not a whooping. Dallas let the Vikes hang around and the Vikes loafed. A 10-point defecit takes about 1:20-1:40 of clock time to erase.

The fact of the matter is that Dallas keeps everyone involved way too long in their games and eventually, they're going to let a team hang around that takes advantage of it. You cannot expect to beat the Giants with a 10 point lead and 10 minutes left in the game. Same for the Pack, same for Detroit, same for Carolina, same even for the Iggles. If telling yourself that Dallas knew Minnesota couldn't get 10 points and played soft and they wouldn't do that against any other team helps you feel more secure, then I understand.

if Dallas has a 10 point lead with 10 minutes left in the game they should win. Most teams should win. I do agree with you, the Cowboys have let way too many teams hang around, but it hasn't hurt them yet.

[DGreenistheBest]

if Dallas has a 10 point lead with 10 minutes left in the game they should win. Most teams should win. I do agree with you, the Cowboys have let way too many teams hang around, but it hasn't hurt them yet.

All I'm saying is it will hurt them eventually. You play with fire and sooner or later you get burned. Even if that burn doesn't come until the post season, its coming.

[TEK2000]

All I'm saying is it will hurt them eventually. You play with fire and sooner or later you get burned. Even if that burn doesn't come until the post season, its coming.

The Redskins have been very fortunate with that as well thus far.

[doncherry]

All I'm saying is it will hurt them eventually. You play with fire and sooner or later you get burned. Even if that burn doesn't come until the post season, its coming.


fair enough. The sign of a GREAT team is a killer instinct to put teams away. NE has it, in spades....

[NFC Beast]

Not impressed yet. I reserve such an honor for teams that have stretched themselves and succeeded, not simply blown out the bottom-feeders. Besides, they choke every year, and they seem to be getting set up for it once again.

Yup, we choked 2 years ago when we won the NFC East title... :doh:

We dont choke, we just get an unfortunate amount of injuries, which hopefully down happen this year.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Yeah, without my blue-starred glasses.

no, but you were wearing the Burgandy and Gold hate glasses......There was nothing "close" about that game. i can see how you would feel about teams coming back, considering what you have had to watch the Skins endure the past 3 years (12 blown halftime time leads since 2004) BUT i am telling you, I have the game on tape and i have watched it several times, the Cowboys owned that game and dominated it. 69 yards on their first drive and 76 at halftime (thats 7 yards of offense in 3 drives) & they ended the game with 196 yds total to 381. 8 drives of less then 10 yards out of 12 total possesions!!!

Your just wrong, it was not a close game!

[DGreenistheBest]

no, but you were wearing the Burgandy and Gold hate glasses......There was nothing "close" about that game. i can see how you would feel about teams coming back, considering what you have had to watch the Skins endure the past 3 years (12 blown halftime time leads since 2004) BUT i am telling you, I have the game on tape and i have watched it several times, the Cowboys owned that game and dominated it. 69 yards on their first drive and 76 at halftime (thats 7 yards of offense in 3 drives) & they ended the game with 196 yds total to 381. 8 drives of less then 10 yards out of 12 total possesions!!!

Your just wrong, it was not a close game!

Whatever man. When the wins turn to losses, you'll have to face the music.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Whatever man. When the wins turn to losses, you'll have to face the music.

ok, yes i will, but what does that have to do with your insane statement that Dallas won a "close" game vs Minny? They got lucky and won a freaking nail-bitter......game after 6 turnovers vs Buff, but to call the Minny game close, is just showing a lack of knowlege about the game. and/or showing that you didnt watch it.

Which games are the Cowboys going to lose, can you tell me that? Do you see them at 8-8 like some other member once said, or can you see them winning 10/11 games.......

and its funny how a lot of people were talking about Dallas and running up the scores earlier in the season yet now your talking about them keeping games close???? Outsdie of this game and the Giants game they didn't have a close game.

[DGreenistheBest]

ok, yes i will, but what does that have to do with your insane statement that Dallas won a "close" game vs Minny? They got lucky and won a freaking nail-bitter......game after 6 turnovers vs Buff, but to call the Minny game close, is just showing a lack of knowlege about the game. and/or showing that you didnt watch it.

Not close? How about September 19, 2005. Cowboys were winning their Monday night game 13-0 up to the last 5 minutes of quarter 4. I'll spare you the recap of those last 5 minutes as I'm sure you remember them well. 10 points is a close game.

Which games are the Cowboys going to lose, can you tell me that? Do you see them at 8-8 like some other member once said, or can you see them winning 10/11 games.......

Hard to say, they almost lost to Buffalo so I think they are beatable by any team left on their scedule. I see them losing another 3 or 4, possibly more if they continue to let teams hang around. If they become more dominant, then maybe only 1 or 2 more losses.

and its funny how a lot of people were talking about Dallas and running up the scores earlier in the season yet now your talking about them keeping games close???? Outsdie of this game and the Giants game they didn't have a close game.

I don't think I ever accused them of running up the score.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Not close? How about September 19, 2005. Cowboys were winning their Monday night game 13-0 up to the last 5 minutes of quarter 4. I'll spare you the recap of those last 5 minutes as I'm sure you remember them well. 10 points is a close game.



Hard to say, they almost lost to Buffalo so I think they are beatable by any team left on their scedule. I see them losing another 3 or 4, possibly more if they continue to let teams hang around. If they become more dominant, then maybe only 1 or 2 more losses.



I don't think I ever accused them of running up the score.

:laugh: Sept 2005.....wow, i didnt realize you'd go back there, I thought for sure we were talking about this year.

yes, its the NFL and they could lose to anyone on the schedule....that can be said about all NFL teams not named Indy or NE.

more dominant......well...I sure hope they can work on that one. :cheers:

No, maybe you didnt but many did.....but ok, u didn't. But if you haveta go back to 9/2005 to make a point then I would say that you can admitt that this year Dallas (so-far) hasn't been the kind of team to blow games in the 4th quarter. The 2007 Cowboys havent shown that yet, and i hope it stays that way:D

[DGreenistheBest]

:laugh: Sept 2005.....wow, i didnt realize you'd go back there, I thought for sure we were talking about this year.

yes, its the NFL and they could lose to anyone on the schedule....that can be said about all NFL teams not named Indy or NE.

more dominant......well...I sure hope they can work on that one. :cheers:

No, maybe you didnt but many did.....but ok, u didn't. But if you haveta go back to 9/2005 to make a point then I would say that you can admitt that this year Dallas (so-far) hasn't been the kind of team to blow games in the 4th quarter. The 2007 Cowboys havent shown that yet, and i hope it stays that way:D

I admit that they haven't suceeded in blowing any games...yet. They still have a lot of season to get through. Their current level of play will not be adequate down the stretch (the slow starts, the small leads). One or both have to give or they will be making an early exit from the playoffs, most likely in the wild card round.

[TonyRomoProBowl]

I admit that they haven't suceeded in blowing any games...yet. They still have a lot of season to get through. Their current level of play will not be adequate down the stretch (the slow starts, the small leads). One or both have to give or they will be making an early exit from the playoffs, most likely in the wild card round.

yea, because the NFC is loaded with scary talent that will be able to blow Dallas away, the way NE did???? What NFC team is going to put so many points on the board that Dallas cant win. I mean yes the Cowboys have some slow starts, but they have more 2nd half points (for the season) then some NFL teams have in the entire game so, Dallas may start slow but they finish strong, and isnt that what its all about. Now, if this team can stay away from the December funk, then they will be fine and winning a playoff game will not be hard to do.

[DGreenistheBest]

yea, because the NFC is loaded with scary talent that will be able to blow Dallas away, the way NE did???? What NFC team is going to put so many points on the board that Dallas cant win. I mean yes the Cowboys have some slow starts, but they have more 2nd half points (for the season) then some NFL teams have in the entire game so, Dallas may start slow but they finish strong, and isnt that what its all about. Now, if this team can stay away from the December funk, then they will be fine and winning a playoff game will not be hard to do.

Back to the original reason I brought this up in this thread, the Giants can beat Dallas and if they start slow in that game the Giants will beat the soundly. I'll refrain from spouting any Redskins-homerific predictions. I think Detroit has the potential to be another Buffalo albeit without losing it in the final moments. Carolina is a giant ? and could either shock you or roll over and get shutout. I would also pick Philly as a possible trap game for Dallas, but that's a long shot. Short answer, Dallas will lose to the Giants, needs to watch out for Detroit, and I wouldn't count out another couple of losses. Oh, and you haven't played Green Bay yet, right? I'd give Favre the edge over his mini-me.

[RowdyRedskinsFan]

:logo:

Hail to the Redskins, Hail Victory!!!

[TonyRomoProBowl]

Back to the original reason I brought this up in this thread, the Giants can beat Dallas and if they start slow in that game the Giants will beat the soundly. I'll refrain from spouting any Redskins-homerific predictions. I think Detroit has the potential to be another Buffalo albeit without losing it in the final moments. Carolina is a giant ? and could either shock you or roll over and get shutout. I would also pick Philly as a possible trap game for Dallas, but that's a long shot. Short answer, Dallas will lose to the Giants, needs to watch out for Detroit, and I wouldn't count out another couple of losses. Oh, and you haven't played Green Bay yet, right? I'd give Favre the edge over his mini-me.

I agree about the Giants, they can and prolly will beat Dallas in NY. And they will out it on them if they are not hot early (Dallas that is)...So I agree. Det will beat us in Det. I do not give Dallas alot of hope in that game, they will be coming off of back to back home games and the one vs Green Bay on a Thursday Night could be a loss too. (i do not see Dallas going 7-1 at home this year) Carolina will pretty much have no shot at beating Dallas with their lack og passing game and QB situation. Philly a trap game? No chance, Dallas and Philly is always a big game filled with feeling and it will be meaningfull and will be a tough game(s) both at home and in Philly. Like i said before 10-6, but in the playoffs, Dallas should be at home for atleast one game and this should be the year of breaking that damn playoff jinz!!!! Well, it better freaking be as close as they cam last year:doh:

[DGreenistheBest]

I agree about the Giants, they can and prolly will beat Dallas in NY. And they will out it on them if they are not hot early (Dallas that is)...So I agree. Det will beat us in Det. I do not give Dallas alot of hope in that game, they will be coming off of back to back home games and the one vs Green Bay on a Thursday Night could be a loss too. (i do not see Dallas going 7-1 at home this year) Carolina will pretty much have no shot at beating Dallas with their lack og passing game and QB situation. Philly a trap game? No chance, Dallas and Philly is always a big game filled with feeling and it will be meaningfull and will be a tough game(s) both at home and in Philly. Like i said before 10-6, but in the playoffs, Dallas should be at home for atleast one game and this should be the year of breaking that damn playoff jinz!!!! Well, it better freaking be as close as they cam last year:doh:

That seems like a fair assesment except I might give the benefit of the doubt to Philly at their house if they avoid injuries to that point. They will be playing for pride more than anything and could upset you. Otherwise it seems right, I wouldn't be totally shocked if Carolina upset you too, but I'd give it about a 5% chance of happening. The Jets will be a breeze.

[pjfootballer]

The Redskins have been very fortunate with that as well thus far.

We've been burned twice. I'd say we're not that lucky. :laugh:

[Tom [Giants fan]]

I love it. I usually make excuses for the Giants when they lose. Now we have a thread dedicated to making excuses of why they are winning.

As far as the Giants choking. That has come with injuries. Say it is an excuse all you want. I don't think it is coincidence that the Giants started losing last year when the injuries piled up. I hope they stay healthy this year so we can see if that was really the cause or not.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

']I love it. I usually make excuses for the Giants when they lose. Now we have a thread dedicated to making excuses of why they are winning.

As far as the Giants choking. That has come with injuries. Say it is an excuse all you want. I don't think it is coincidence that the Giants started losing last year when the injuries piled up. I hope they stay healthy this year so we can see if that was really the cause or not.

Why does everyone make excuses for injuries?

Seriously-the injuries had nothing to do with blowing a 21-0 lead to TN in THE GAME, and you guys just really smacked us around statistically in the Meadowlands meeting the week after, but thanks to a fumbled INT by Kiwi and bone-headed PFs by Plax/Whitfield that killed good-looking, time-consuming drives, we ended up stealing this game from you guys. And in the New Orleans game, you guys spotted them early 7-0, but then just seem to give up and throw in the towel after Chad Morton muffed that punt.

Really, the Giants should have been 11-5, as depleted as they were.

[ptr77]

Why does everyone make excuses for injuries?

Seriously-the injuries had nothing to do with blowing a 21-0 lead to TN in THE GAME, and you guys just really smacked us around statistically in the Meadowlands meeting the week after, but thanks to a fumbled INT by Kiwi and bone-headed PFs by Plax/Whitfield that killed good-looking, time-consuming drives, we ended up stealing this game from you guys. And in the New Orleans game, you guys spotted them early 7-0, but then just seem to give up and throw in the towel after Chad Morton muffed that punt.

Really, the Giants should have been 11-5, as depleted as they were.

I agree injuries are a lame excuse, every team has them and has to deal with them. The healthiest teams and the teams with most depth usually end up in the playoffs, and i hate when fans claim their team was injured more that others or had more important injuries than others. But you are only proving Tom's point in your argument. Boneheaded plays by kiwi and whitfield? They were both backups last year, kiwi was the #4 DE (strahan, osi, tuck) and a 3rd down linebacker, whitfield was a backup LT who has since retired. You think Osi or strahan would of let vince young out of his grasp or fumbled a int? You think luke petitgout would of sucked as much as whitfield? Whitfield was a severe handicap to the giants offense as was the loss of toomer. I don't think your argument really proved why they should have been 11-5; rookies make mistakes and one-eyed soon to be retired retread LTs usually suck. As for giving up versus NO, what did the cowboys do exactly? I don't think many teams had much luck versus NO.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

I agree injuries are a lame excuse, every team has them and has to deal with them. The healthiest teams and the teams with most depth usually end up in the playoffs, and i hate when fans claim their team was injured more that others or had more important injuries than others. But you are only proving Tom's point in your argument. Boneheaded plays by kiwi and whitfield? They were both backups last year, kiwi was the #4 DE (strahan, osi, tuck) and a 3rd down linebacker, whitfield was a backup LT who has since retired. You think Osi or strahan would of let vince young out of his grasp or fumbled a int? You think luke petitgout would of sucked as much as whitfield? Whitfield was a severe handicap to the giants offense as was the loss of toomer. I don't think your argument really proved why they should have been 11-5; rookies make mistakes and one-eyed soon to be retired retread LTs usually suck. As for giving up versus NO, what did the cowboys do exactly? I don't think many teams had much luck versus NO.

Good pts.

However-we were the MOST healthiest team in the league last year. And yes, even though the Greg Ellis injury may have put the nail in the coffin for our D, we were nonetheless the LEAST injured team. Reality was that Ellis was really only ONE guy. A very good player, but just one less guy.

But considering that, it was quite surprising how we were just that-up and down, and then tanked at the end, going one and out in the playoffs.

The Hawks, OTOH, were injury riddled on the OL, DL, and secondary(and Hasselback was beat up), but they nonetheless were 3 pts away from advancing to the NFC Title game.

While I agree with alot of things you say, there seems to be alot of variables other than injuries.

[InTikiITrust]

Why does everyone make excuses for injuries?

Seriously-the injuries had nothing to do with blowing a 21-0 lead to TN in THE GAME, and you guys just really smacked us around statistically in the Meadowlands meeting the week after, but thanks to a fumbled INT by Kiwi and bone-headed PFs by Plax/Whitfield that killed good-looking, time-consuming drives, we ended up stealing this game from you guys. And in the New Orleans game, you guys spotted them early 7-0, but then just seem to give up and throw in the towel after Chad Morton muffed that punt.

Really, the Giants should have been 11-5, as depleted as they were.

Yes it did. When the Giants have one capable reciever, it affects playcalling. When corners, linebackers and defensive ends get banged up, the entire defense suffers. No one could get a breather. When a DT has to move over to DE, the DT rotation suffers. When linebackers are banged up and backups have to start, there's no one behind them.

Giant injures aren't the onyl reason for their poor play, but when you lose two DEs, a LT and a WR that all play their position well, a team will suffer. With 53 man rosters, talent is watered down.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

Yes it did. When the Giants have one capable reciever, it affects playcalling. When corners, linebackers and defensive ends get banged up, the entire defense suffers. No one could get a breather. When a DT has to move over to DE, the DT rotation suffers. When linebackers are banged up and backups have to start, there's no one behind them.

Giant injures aren't the onyl reason for their poor play, but when you lose two DEs, a LT and a WR that all play their position well, a team will suffer. With 53 man rosters, talent is watered down.

Well-there's talk of expanding them to 65, so there's hope!:applause:

[Bacon]

Yup, we choked 2 years ago when we won the NFC East title... :doh:

.............And then proceeded to embarrass yourselves in the very next game. :laugh:

Nice try.

[KiwiSupaFlyNuka]

Yes it did. When the Giants have one capable reciever, it affects playcalling. When corners, linebackers and defensive ends get banged up, the entire defense suffers. No one could get a breather. When a DT has to move over to DE, the DT rotation suffers. When linebackers are banged up and backups have to start, there's no one behind them.

Giant injures aren't the onyl reason for their poor play, but when you lose two DEs, a LT and a WR that all play their position well, a team will suffer. With 53 man rosters, talent is watered down.

I don't know why this is so hard to understand? The Giants have CLEARLY been hit the hardest with injuries out of any NFL team the last few years. Every team deals with 2-3 injuries here and there but when the number rises to 8-9 there is no way that team will stay competitive.

I remember the Giants pulling Linebackers off the street to dress for the 05 playoff game. They even considered bringing back Jesse Armstead. :doh:

[Xameil]

I hate the GIANTS but you have to give credit where credit is due and they manage to beat us. And as the previous poster noted they have looked rock solid since beating our Skins. Let's just hope the stiffer competition gets them in a funk. or beats their tails. :cheers:


sorry they didn't beat us....WE beat ourselves.



lol for some reason at the Detroit game I made my feelings about the Giants well known...


EFF THE GIANTS!!!!!!

[NFC Beast]

.............And then proceeded to embarrass yourselves in the very next game. :laugh:

Nice try.

So does every team choke except for the one that wins the superbowl? Yeah our team got spanked. But getting beat and Choking are 2 different things. CArolina was way better than us that year.

[NFC Beast]

sorry they didn't beat us....WE beat ourselves.



lol for some reason at the Detroit game I made my feelings about the Giants well known...


EFF THE GIANTS!!!!!!

The greatest line ever. Yeah, well we almost beat ourselves in the first half to give you that cushion, so there.
:doh:

[KiwiSupaFlyNuka]

So does every team choke except for the one that wins the superbowl? Yeah our team got spanked. But getting beat and Choking are 2 different things. CArolina was way better than us that year.

Carolina was in the Giants playbook. You can thank John Fox for that.

[KiwiSupaFlyNuka]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071026&sportCat=nfl&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1

Q: Should the '72 Dolphins skip the champagne this year and go straight to shots of whiskey?
--Tom B., Honolulu
SG: It's probably for the best. Although nobody is mentioning a crucial monkey wrench in New England's quest to go 19-0: In Week 17, they're playing in New York against the Giants. Let's say they're 15-0 at that point and have home field locked up. And let's say the Giants need that game to either clinch their division or a bye in the first round. Could the Pats possibly justify playing Tom Brady against a top-five team with one of the best pass rushes in the league?

In my opinion, they have to play him because the goal for this particular Patriots season transcends the Super Bowl: They have a chance to be remembered as one of the greatest teams ever (if not THE greatest team ever) and live on like those '72 Dolphins have lived on for the past 35 years ... and that's before getting into the "shoving it in everyone's face who tried to discredit the first three Super Bowls" and "being vilified for stealing signals when everyone in this league cheats to varying degrees" components. If they're going to embrace the role of the Cobra Kai Yankees, then they have to try for a 19-0 season, right? No mercy. No mercy.


This is true and VERY interesting....

[Bacon]

So does every team choke except for the one that wins the superbowl? Yeah our team got spanked. But getting beat and Choking are 2 different things. CArolina was way better than us that year.

No way were they THAT much better. Manning went from moderately decent to being the worst QB in the NFL in the span of one game.

[CowboysSaintsFan]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071026&sportCat=nfl&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1

Q: Should the '72 Dolphins skip the champagne this year and go straight to shots of whiskey?
--Tom B., Honolulu
SG: It's probably for the best. Although nobody is mentioning a crucial monkey wrench in New England's quest to go 19-0: In Week 17, they're playing in New York against the Giants. Let's say they're 15-0 at that point and have home field locked up. And let's say the Giants need that game to either clinch their division or a bye in the first round. Could the Pats possibly justify playing Tom Brady against a top-five team with one of the best pass rushes in the league?

In my opinion, they have to play him because the goal for this particular Patriots season transcends the Super Bowl: They have a chance to be remembered as one of the greatest teams ever (if not THE greatest team ever) and live on like those '72 Dolphins have lived on for the past 35 years ... and that's before getting into the "shoving it in everyone's face who tried to discredit the first three Super Bowls" and "being vilified for stealing signals when everyone in this league cheats to varying degrees" components. If they're going to embrace the role of the Cobra Kai Yankees, then they have to try for a 19-0 season, right? No mercy. No mercy.


This is true and VERY interesting....

Honestly-Belichick may have a chip on his shoulder, but he's NOT stupid. 15-0 or no, I would think he would sit his starters in that game so not to risk injury. And plus he got his big break there as DC many years ago, so I would think he has alot of respect for the Giants to begin with.

[Seabee1973]

Not to mention too while it took a miracle for us to beat Buffalo, this same team also happened to beat a pretty good Ravens team. And the same Bills team who barely lost to Denver, this same Broncos team pretty much smacked around an AFC "powerhouse" Steelers team, and this same Pitt team smacked the Bills.

I agree-none of this makes sense at all-our head to head meetings is what will count the most.


And that same denver team got blown out by norval's new team

[NFC Beast]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/071026&sportCat=nfl&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab3pos1

Q: Should the '72 Dolphins skip the champagne this year and go straight to shots of whiskey?
--Tom B., Honolulu
SG: It's probably for the best. Although nobody is mentioning a crucial monkey wrench in New England's quest to go 19-0: In Week 17, they're playing in New York against the Giants. Let's say they're 15-0 at that point and have home field locked up. And let's say the Giants need that game to either clinch their division or a bye in the first round. Could the Pats possibly justify playing Tom Brady against a top-five team with one of the best pass rushes in the league?

In my opinion, they have to play him because the goal for this particular Patriots season transcends the Super Bowl: They have a chance to be remembered as one of the greatest teams ever (if not THE greatest team ever) and live on like those '72 Dolphins have lived on for the past 35 years ... and that's before getting into the "shoving it in everyone's face who tried to discredit the first three Super Bowls" and "being vilified for stealing signals when everyone in this league cheats to varying degrees" components. If they're going to embrace the role of the Cobra Kai Yankees, then they have to try for a 19-0 season, right? No mercy. No mercy.


This is true and VERY interesting....

If they are 15-0, you better believe they will leave their starters in there until they get up 40. The Pats would love to shove that 16-0 19-0, we are the best superbowl blah blah in everyones face, just like the Red Sox do.
14-1, they rest their big names.
Im preying the Colts beat em next week for the Gians sake.