Good luck... but

[Pats2007]

You guys have a pretty good team here. Good D and an O that's on its way and can only get better.

I've been reading your board here (nice layout by the way), and I wanted to enlighten you on a few things.

1. Belichick does not overlook ANY team (including the Dolphins). Trust me on this, he's taking you all just as serious as he is the Dolts we have to face in a couple of weeks. NE does not look ahead to future games - this is one of the cornerstones to our overall success.

2. The guys' egos do not get inflated. BB (Bill Belichick) makes sure of this. Know what he said about Brady's 6 TD performance during the Miami game? He said it was "pretty good." Not spectacular, not amazing... just "pretty good." There are no big heads in NE. There are no self-appointed superstars in NE. They function completely as a team always. Just as an example... while that pinhead up in Indianapolis is off making cell phone commercials and eating up the limelight, Brady makes sure that when he does a commercial, his O line gets a piece of the action.

3. This is the most solidified I've ever seen this team [the Pats] and I've been a fan for about 18 years now.

A lot of folks are talking down the NE D, saying it's overrated, whatever... it's ranked THIRD in the NFL - check out the stats - we've allowed just over 100 yards rushing per game, and held the oppositions air game to just under 300 yards. Yes, there are some missed tackles here and there, but by and large the D does a good job of keeping the other team's O off the field. We've averaged over 38 minutes of O per game - that says something about the D.

Yes, right now the Patriots on a rampage. A lot of teams out there have done nothing but insult and criticize us for the whole “videogate” incident. EVEN after Bill Parcells (sp) himself came out and openly said, “hey everyone does it, they just got caught.” Ok, fine. We paid the price. We took the punishment and are no longer doing it... and we're still catching flack. So now it's payback time. NE doesn't talk smack, they don't put down other teams in front of the cameras, they just go out on the field and destroy you. Ask the Cowgirls how the “popcorn” tasted.




I don't know if [they] have an axe to grind with you guys. I never head anything ill coming from your coach or team. However, this is the NFL, this is professional football, all the people crying and whining about us “running up the score” need to grow thicker skin. There's not a single team out there that hasn't won by HUGE margins – yet we're the only ones being raked over hot coals for doing what teams are SUPPOSED to do?




Ok, enough of that. Here's a little insider scoop (from a Pats fan) about the game coming up.




Yes, a lot of you are right – this IS going to be a good test for us. Washington will be the second team of any real quality we've faced this year. BUT, please keep in mind the weaponry at Brady's disposal. You WILL have to double cover Moss. Nickel, Dime, whatever you run you're going to have to double team him or you're going to get owned. Say you manage to shut Moss down... what are you going to do about Welker? Stallworth? Gaffney? If you want to rush and jam 8 men in the box to pressure Brady or stop the run – he's going to shred your secondary. Double cover and play pass protect and Maroney, Morris and Faulk will eat up huge chunks of real estate.




You're going to have your hands full, no doubt.




As for our D, like I said, ranked 3rd in the NFL. You're not going to be able to pass all over us, or run the ball much. Especially if Seymour is back for the game.




There's not a lot of ill feelings toward you all. We hope it's a good game and we both walk away from this a little better.




Not sure what your schedule is, but I hope you beat the hell out of the Cowpatties... do us a favor and take some popcorn!




Good luck you all... I think it's going to be a good game.

[CGSKINS]

I think we are going to give the pats everthing they can handle.

I love Joe Gibbs in these types of games. 16 point underdogs? I'm sorry, I know that pats are good, but I think thats way to High.

I'm not a homer. But I think we are a better team than what some people(including people here on ES) think.

We will see.

[FlaSk1nsfan]

All I can say is yes the Pats have been a "wow" team. But keep in mind how dangerous it is to have so much tied to one player. Have you ever seen how hard Sean T. or LF or LL can hit someone? I'm telling you if you let ST lay the wood Tommy boy will be watching the Colts game from INOVA hospital.

Let the best team win!

[bubba9497]

I guess the Skins should just forfeit now

[Pats2007]

That's my point. Randy isn't *THE* weapon... he's just ONE of many. NE does a very good job of making sure that its not dependent on just one player. The only exception is Brady. But, our backups aren't “terrible” at all.




The presence of Randy is enough to give most D's nightmares, but he's not the only receiver who can make huge plays and or score.

[HighPlainsDrifter]

http://www.allthingsbillbelichick.com/hcseasons.htm


BB's record vs the 'Skins as a head coach:

Oct 13, 1991 LOST 42-17
Sept 28, 2003 LOST 20-17

Granted, it's only two games but, old "BB" has yet to beat the Redskins as a head coach.
You guys have a great team and you look unstoppable. But you're not and you know it.
The Redskins tend to play up to the competition and they may just surprise you on Sunday.
That said I hope that it is a good clean game. And if I know anything about the 'Skins, we will definitely be in it.

[CliffBattles]

Good post...the Patriot fans deserve their reputation of being knowledgeable.

I think the Skins will play the Patriots tough, for three quarters or so.

Not shut them down, but hold them down more than previous teams....maybe keep them to scoring around 17 points or so....but, our offense will be very boring and very inefficient...we will have scored 13 points or so.

Then, the Pats will have a big play, and then another, we will mess up, our defense will be worn down...and we will end up losing by about what the point spread is.

I also look to the Patriots to use more running this game, than previous games...especially in the beginning....and the Skins to try and open it up down the field, and maybe some trick plays....like a Portis or Randle El pass....which, I doubt any of which will be successful, considering how well the Pats are coached, and how confident they are in their system, not giving up on their personal assignments.

Just my thoughts....no ill will towards the Pats, but I would love to beat 'em.

[Soup]

I watched a bit of the game agianst the pats and phins and I saw that when the back-up was put in the pats had problems. The pats gave up a lot of points to miami probably the worst team in the NFL. I think Gregg W. needs to try and knock-out brady instead of playing zone. I know the skins have a better offense then the phins If the skins can get 28 we'll steal the game. Yeah Moss will probably get in for a TD but I'm the pat won't score more then 20.

[THEHEREAFTER]

Ben Watson is out and he is a matchup nightmare. That should definitely help the skins.

[abu69]

Let me ask you this, Mr. Pats fan: Has ANYONE of those fragile twig receivers on the Pats been hit by someone by the likes of Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, et al? Do you know what happened the last time Randy Moss faced Sean Taylor? (I'll give you a hint: it starts with "walked off the field early" and ends with "crying in pain")

[Soup]

Let me ask you this, Mr. Pats fan: Has ANYONE of those fragile twig receivers on the Pats been hit by someone by the likes of Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, et al? Do you know what happened the last time Randy Moss faced Sean Taylor? (I'll give you a hint: it starts with "walked off the field early" and ends with "crying in pain")

I remeber that. It was really funny.

[Truant]

Good post. Thanks for your input. It's nice that a fan from another team can come here can be somewhat modest when your team is tearing through the league.

You may see tons of threads with people trying to humanize the Pats by saying that they aren't that good for whatever reason. Let me assure you that is designed to make everyone feel a little better. BUT, if anyone is aware of how good the Pats are, it'll be Gibbs. He will demand excellence. Gibbs doesn't have to do much to build up the team that we're playing this week.

Check out some clips of the press conferences. If you see a man who seems to have missed his afternoon nap, that's a very good sign. Gibbs should be dialed in this week and when that happens the team seems to respond pretty well.

Moss is a freak, but Sean Taylor has battled him before. Looking at height, speed, and athletic ability, ST would be the one safety to match up on Moss. I'm honestly more worried about Stallworth and Welker in the open field.

I'll sure Bill will look closely at how we played the Lions. We played nickel for almost the entire game and dared the lions to run on us. We have a pretty good run defense and, say what you will about Maroney, Faulk and Morris, we'd rather take our chances with them than Moss, Stallworth, and Welker.

We're going to have to play a complete game and see if we can pull it out at the end. I can't talk much about our offense against your D as we aren't really giving ourselves a chance to succeed.

I liken this game to when we last played the Colts in Indy. We kept it close in the first half, we had a decent shot to win. Then in the second half the wheels came off the wagon and Peyton had his way with us. There will be a play in the 3rd quarter which will determine how the game goes. If it doesn't go our way, it could start falling apart fast. If it does go our way, strap on your helmet.

It's remarkable what you guys are doing this year. No one expects us to keep it close. There's no pressure on us. This is our mini-Superbowl. Our team needs to believe in itself and come together. It's a good opportunity to do just that this weekend.

Good luck as far as injuries go, and I hope you guys handle the Giants and Eagles later in the year.

[Bostic Hog]

That's my point. Randy isn't *THE* weapon... he's just ONE of many. NE does a very good job of making sure that its not dependent on just one player. The only exception is Brady. But, our backups aren't “terrible” at all.




The presence of Randy is enough to give most D's nightmares, but he's not the only receiver who can make huge plays and or score.

OUR point is that Brady is THE weapon, not Moss. Can Brady take a pounding? I'm sure we're gonna find out this weekend.

[Thoth]

Barring some fluke like Moss or Brady being hurt, I think our D will hold tight awhile, and that Moss won't be the story. . .I think Wes Walker and Stallworth will have huge games against Smoot and Rogers. I think Moss will have an average day, nothing spectacular, nothing terrible, with Springs and Taylor on him. I watched Moss in his Vikings days, and if you play him physical and frustrate him deep, you can limit him somewhat. In theory, Taylor has a chance to do that. . .but it is still Randy Moss.


I think the real problem for us, and the story of this game for us, is your DL and front seven manhandling our OL, totally disrupting our O. I just don't think our coaching staff has the nuts to even call the time of offensive gameplan that would give us a chance. . .even if our OL was healthy, which it isn't.

A good scenario is our defense spending way too much time on field due to O struggles, being dog tired second half, you lighting it up then.

If our playcalling on O is gutless, it will be over a lot sooner.

I am a lifelong Skins fan, but I say you win by 14 or more.

We win if we gut some pressure early, doubtful, super doubtful, as Brady would make us pay, AND Taylor gets some big hits on Moss and Walker early that scare them. I'm hardly holding my breath, but barring some you guys piss the game away scenario which is uncharacteristic, that would be our only chance. Big hits up the wazoo for us on D, Brady pressured, Gibbs calling an aggressive offense suitable for modern football rather than the usual fearfest.

[Siven]

OUR point is that Brady is THE weapon, not Moss. Can Brady take a pounding? I'm sure we're gonna find out this weekend.

I fancy a helmet losing, concussion inducing Laron Landry pop on Tom Brady

[illone]

I'd welcome you aboard but it's not like you would stick around after you get handed your first loss of the season.

:laugh:

[Skins24]

BUT, please keep in mind the weaponry at Brady's disposal. You WILL have to double cover Moss. Nickel, Dime, whatever you run you're going to have to double team him or you're going to get owned. Say you manage to shut Moss down... what are you going to do about Welker? Stallworth? Gaffney?
Meh, this isn't the first time we've faced a #1 passing offense this year. In fact it's the third time. Yes the talent level in NE is higher but at the risk of sounding Norvish, what we do works.
This isn't the first time this defense has had to defend Moss either. With Sean Taylor back there we match up extremely well against Moss. This is BY FAR the best secondary NE has had to face this year.


Double cover and play pass protect and Maroney, Morris and Faulk will eat up huge chunks of real estate.
Our linebackers are playing at a pro bowl level right now. Unless they get tired from being out on the field for huge periods of time, I don't see that happening.


You're going to have your hands full, no doubt.
Ditto



As for our D, like I said, ranked 3rd in the NFL.
Quite an accomplishment with all the juggernauts you all have faced right? :silly:



I think it's going to be a good game.
I think and hope so too :cheers:

[tthorsen5]

I guess the Skins should just forfeit now

The Skins? Hell they might as well end the season now and give them the trophy. Why play anymore, they should start the basketball season already.......

HTTR

[TheREALJBird]

Ben Watson is out and he is a matchup nightmare. That should definitely help the skins.

Really? Well I'm not one to root for injuries but that certainly helps our cause

[mdskins75]

You guys have a pretty good team here. Good D and an O that's on its way and can only get better.

I've been reading your board here (nice layout by the way), and I wanted to enlighten you on a few things.

1. Belichick does not overlook ANY team (including the Dolphins). Trust me on this, he's taking you all just as serious as he is the Dolts we have to face in a couple of weeks. NE does not look ahead to future games - this is one of the cornerstones to our overall success.

2. The guys' egos do not get inflated. BB (Bill Belichick) makes sure of this. Know what he said about Brady's 6 TD performance during the Miami game? He said it was "pretty good." Not spectacular, not amazing... just "pretty good." There are no big heads in NE. There are no self-appointed superstars in NE. They function completely as a team always. Just as an example... while that pinhead up in Indianapolis is off making cell phone commercials and eating up the limelight, Brady makes sure that when he does a commercial, his O line gets a piece of the action.

3. This is the most solidified I've ever seen this team [the Pats] and I've been a fan for about 18 years now.

A lot of folks are talking down the NE D, saying it's overrated, whatever... it's ranked THIRD in the NFL - check out the stats - we've allowed just over 100 yards rushing per game, and held the oppositions air game to just under 300 yards. Yes, there are some missed tackles here and there, but by and large the D does a good job of keeping the other team's O off the field. We've averaged over 38 minutes of O per game - that says something about the D.

Yes, right now the Patriots on a rampage. A lot of teams out there have done nothing but insult and criticize us for the whole “videogate” incident. EVEN after Bill Parcells (sp) himself came out and openly said, “hey everyone does it, they just got caught.” Ok, fine. We paid the price. We took the punishment and are no longer doing it... and we're still catching flack. So now it's payback time. NE doesn't talk smack, they don't put down other teams in front of the cameras, they just go out on the field and destroy you. Ask the Cowgirls how the “popcorn” tasted.




I don't know if [they] have an axe to grind with you guys. I never head anything ill coming from your coach or team. However, this is the NFL, this is professional football, all the people crying and whining about us “running up the score” need to grow thicker skin. There's not a single team out there that hasn't won by HUGE margins – yet we're the only ones being raked over hot coals for doing what teams are SUPPOSED to do?




Ok, enough of that. Here's a little insider scoop (from a Pats fan) about the game coming up.




Yes, a lot of you are right – this IS going to be a good test for us. Washington will be the second team of any real quality we've faced this year. BUT, please keep in mind the weaponry at Brady's disposal. You WILL have to double cover Moss. Nickel, Dime, whatever you run you're going to have to double team him or you're going to get owned. Say you manage to shut Moss down... what are you going to do about Welker? Stallworth? Gaffney? If you want to rush and jam 8 men in the box to pressure Brady or stop the run – he's going to shred your secondary. Double cover and play pass protect and Maroney, Morris and Faulk will eat up huge chunks of real estate.




You're going to have your hands full, no doubt.




As for our D, like I said, ranked 3rd in the NFL. You're not going to be able to pass all over us, or run the ball much. Especially if Seymour is back for the game.




There's not a lot of ill feelings toward you all. We hope it's a good game and we both walk away from this a little better.




Not sure what your schedule is, but I hope you beat the hell out of the Cowpatties... do us a favor and take some popcorn!




Good luck you all... I think it's going to be a good game.

New England doesn't seem to have many weaknesses but i think this is how we go at it.

1) Try to take away passing game. Limit Moss, Stalloworth and the rest of the guys.

2) Force Maroney to run. Yep force you guys to run the ball. That's fine dink and dunk all you want. The Redskins i believe will make you play this type of game. I don't think your recievers will beat us. I believe Gibbs will force you guys into running the football and throwing short passes.

3) Run the football. Control time of possession with long and sustained drives.

Easier said than done but i believe this will be how we attack New England.

[DieHard86]

See what we did to Detroit. We have the tools to take away the deep ball and your running game really doesn't scare anybody. It will be up to Tom Brady to be very accurate and consistent on the short-medium passes.

Clearly, that is not difficult for Brady. And our offense stinks and is banged up right now. But Washington can ruin your November superbowl.

[Ellis]

Skins defense is going to devour the pats.
I'm SO looking forward to this matchup.
Pats are going to show up TOO confident.
TRAP GAME.

Skins win.

[FunBunch7]

Very good original post. Your points are all well taken by nay "realistic" fan.

On paper, the Patriots are far and away the better team. What manh of us here are counting on is that "no team" goes undefeated so the patriots "should" lose at least 1 if not 2 games this year...the 4 toughest games left for the Patriots are the Redskins, Colts, Steelers and Ravens...given that all those teams are AFC teams, it stands to reason the LEAST important game is against the Redskins nto to mention the "trap" game with Indy on deck.

I am a die hard Redskin fan for well over 20 years...and I know when my team is out-classed.

But I still hold out hope for an upset in these situations...I watched the Redskins beat Dallas in 1995 as a 16 point underdog in a year in which Dallas won the SB...so it "could" happen....uh...maybe...

[mdskins75]

See what we did to Detroit. We have the tools to take away the deep ball and your running game really doesn't scare anybody. It will be up to Tom Brady to be very accurate and consistent on the short-medium passes.

Clearly, that is not difficult for Brady. And our offense stinks and is banged up right now. But Washington can ruin your November superbowl.

Agree 100%. I think the REdskins are thinking along these lines. Force New England to run. If our corners and safeties take away the deep pass they will be forced to run.

The Redskins will throw in the blitz here and there but i think this can be pretty effective and when has New England faced a stiff defense to this point? San Diego was mess when they played them and Dallas's defense is nowhere near as good as ours. No way. Roy Williams is the most overrated safety in fooball. Plenty to exploit when playing the cowboys. Mr. Moss/Stallworth meet Mr. Taylor. I'm looking forward to this.

[Head]

Should I call you Mr. Simpson, or do you prefer Homer? ;)

[AzSkinsFan63]

All I know is winning this game would go along way in putting the Skins back on confidence road...

[IHOPSkins]

...... A lot of teams out there have done nothing but insult and criticize us for the whole “videogate” incident. EVEN after Bill Parcells (sp) himself came out and openly said, “hey everyone does it, they just got caught.” .....

So because Parcells (ex pat) says that Gibbs (everyone) cheats we should compare him to your BELICHEAT?

Sorry

And until your team turns over ALL the material you have been collecting over YEARS, there is no proof you are not still NOT EARNING ANOTHER SB.

Gibbs >>> belicheat

[thomasroane]

You WILL have to double cover Moss.


Guess you aren't much of a historian. Go and look at Moss games vs Sean T. Taylor has punked him out every time. He has the speed, size and attitude to ruin Moss' day.


Nickel, Dime, whatever you run you're going to have to double team him or you're going to get owned. Say you manage to shut Moss down... what are you going to do about Welker? Stallworth? Gaffney?


They'll get some catches; at first. We'll let them catch the underneath stuff and knock the hell out of em. By the 2nd quarter they'll be trying to find the ball thru their ear holes. Let's see how many catches they make then :)



If you want to rush and jam 8 men in the box to pressure Brady or stop the run – he's going to shred your secondary. Double cover and play pass protect and Maroney, Morris and Faulk will eat up huge chunks of real estate.

We'll drop 7 and have our LB's running down hill on your RB's. That will be the most crucial battle. I think we have the speed, athleticism and meanness to minimize the damage your backs can do. We won't pressure Brady. We'll just take away his weapons and make them hear foot steps. You know Brady ain't gonna scramble anyways.

[mdskins75]

Very good original post. Your points are all well taken by nay "realistic" fan.

On paper, the Patriots are far and away the better team. What manh of us here are counting on is that "no team" goes undefeated so the patriots "should" lose at least 1 if not 2 games this year...the 4 toughest games left for the Patriots are the Redskins, Colts, Steelers and Ravens...given that all those teams are AFC teams, it stands to reason the LEAST important game is against the Redskins nto to mention the "trap" game with Indy on deck.

I am a die hard Redskin fan for well over 20 years...and I know when my team is out-classed.

But I still hold out hope for an upset in these situations...I watched the Redskins beat Dallas in 1995 as a 16 point underdog in a year in which Dallas won the SB...so it "could" happen....uh...maybe...

I respect New England for being a good team because they are. That said the ESPN hype machine is on overdrive. Brady is good and they have weapons but when does great defense not handle great offense? We will be the most physical defense they have faced to this point in the season.
Look back at all these so called scoring machines in the past and then all of a sudden they couldn't score when they faced a great D. I remember St.LOuis playing Tbay in an nfc championship game i think in 2000 and only winning like 8-5. They were one of the highest scoring teams in history.

It's actually good that this game is created as the impossible mission because defense can be the great equalizer. How can somebody predict what will happen when a guy fumbles the ball/turnover three or four times. If this happens that alone can help us win this game. Our defense has shown a propensity to score points unlike some of the good d's we've had in recent past. This one SCORES POINTS. So with turnover's anything is possible. It won't just be Brady and whether or not he throws picks but will the New England playmakers be tough enough when Sean Taylor smacks them in the mouth and jacks somebody up.

[LoudMouth12thMan]

Tell your team to bring their ice packs and soak themselves in the tub plenty, after the game. By the way, your coach is probably just hoping that the players come out of this game healthy. The way our D was running around and hitting people last week, I'd be concerned about being healthy for Indy. We may lose but your team will have the bruises to show that we didn't just lay down. 17 point dogs? We'll see 'bout that :)
HTTR

[BigRay]

Just piggy backing on what another poster said we may lose but you guys going to know that you been in a fight !!

[Skins-in-CT]

As far as a lack of egos, I beg to differ. I live in southern New England and have the Pats routinely shoved down my throat - it's damn stifling and makes me want to puke because 95% of New England would be Giants fans if the Pats sucked. That and Bob Kraft is a tool but I digress. Brady does his share of strutting around. Belichek (sp) always keeps a low profile but tha does not always extend to his players.

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

Sean Taylor = Double coverage

you will find out this sunday.

[BlueHenSkins]

JC is going to play the greatest game of his life. He knows what is like to go into a hostile environment and play against a tough D (Green Bay). He would of had a career day if people would of caught the ball. He's going to light it up against NE because he rises to the occasion.

[Dick Edds]

I respect New England for being a good team because they are. That said the ESPN hype machine is on overdrive. Brady is good and they have weapons but when does great defense not handle great offense? We will be the most physical defense they have faced to this point in the season.
Look back at all these so called scoring machines in the past and then all of a sudden they couldn't score when they faced a great D. I remember St.LOuis playing Tbay in an nfc championship game i think in 2000 and only winning like 8-5. They were one of the highest scoring teams in history.

It's actually good that this game is created as the impossible mission because defense can be the great equalizer. How can somebody predict what will happen when a guy fumbles the ball/turnover three or four times. If this happens that alone can help us win this game. Our defense has shown a propensity to score points unlike some of the good d's we've had in recent past. This one SCORES POINTS. So with turnover's anything is possible. It won't just be Brady and whether or not he throws picks but will the New England playmakers be tough enough when Sean Taylor smacks them in the mouth and jacks somebody up.


:applause: :applause: :applause:

[[[ghost]]]

This is the first time I've read another team's fan post such a confident post, and not blame it on Trolling. The Pats are just that good.


But if you've been a fan for 18 years, how old are you? Cus if you're like 40, than we can't be friends.

[9_to_42_td]

The problem is, they probably know are entire 700 page playbook and have it on video tape.

[Leonard Washington]

i believe we did double cover moss when we played last time and moss scored a TD on ST.

[mistertim]

Sean Taylor = Double coverage

you will find out this sunday.

Exactly. Taylor shuts down entire secondaries because he has the vision and the speed to make ridiculous breaks on the ball and get to wherever the pass is going. There is a reason we have given up almost no deep pass plays this year and that reason goes by the name of Sean Taylor. Look what happened when Favre chucked it up for a guy to make plays on. Nada. Taylor had 2 INTs and could easily have had 4 if he didn't drop a couple. If Brady tries that "chuck it to Moss and let him make a play on it" stuff vs our secondary he is in for a long day. Like others said, look at past games vs Moss. Sean Taylor owns him.

[essex03]

Obviously the Pats are a good team, no question. But you can only survive with just a passing game for so long. You have to run the ball to consistently win in this league, and whichever team does a better job of that on Sunday will win.
And I would love to see Landry or someone take Bradys head off. How 'bout a bashing from Taylor when Moss or Welker goes over the middle?? Remember TOs "Gator Arms"?

[SearchHorizon]

This is a good sign.

Already gloating.

Hopefully Patsies think the same way.

[Fred Jones]

Listen Pats fan, it has and will always fall to Brady. Remove Brady and you remove the SB's.

I think NE is the front runner to win the SB this year because Brady is surrounded by a lot of talent. I think your defense is as good as any of the SB teams. Your offensive line has been great. This year you might be able to insert a backup in there and have a shot at the SB, but again, without your HOF QB your team doesn't get past the Colts.

Your head coach is very good and should get in the HOF, but without Brady he is just another guy who got close.

[Aghar]

Tell you what. IF our offense can hold the ball unlike last weekend for a good 30-35 minutes and THEN Brady still manages to light up our secondary for 30+ points I will gladly crown you AFC Champs and say....see you in Arizona! Until then...there is always Sunday. :thumbsup:

[moviedude25]

Good luck you all... I think it's going to be a good game.

Yea good luck to you too :rolleyes:

[Thirtyfive2seven]

HAHA, the post about the Patriots coming out with bruises was awesome! I agree, the defense isn't going to lay down for anyone. Moss will NOT have a big game. In fact I think he will have TO like numbers when he faces the Skins. Something like 3 catches 25 yards, fumble. Taylor OWNS MOSS and TO. The only person I've seen him have trouble with is Plexico. That guy is so underrated. He's incredible. Anyways..

Good luck on Sunday. I hope no one is injured despite my bruises comments. I just meant the Skins D can Bring it. If the Redskins offense wakes up, finds an identity, and plays with some passion this game COULD be an upset. Otherwise I'd expect it to be much closer than the 17 points the Skins are being spotted.

[Jbank31]

Sammy Morris is out and I believe that Maroney got three carries last week. If Kevin Faulk is the runningback expect the Redskins to rush four drop seven and keep Taylor over Moss. The key to the Patriots game is not letting them get out to a lead early. In EVERY game they play they get out to a lead and force teams to catch up. I can appreciate a Patriots fan and how great it must feel to have one of the best players on the field every week, but in my opinion Peyton Manning is a better quarterback than Brady for only one reason... Manning has had several fourth quarter comebacks. I'll bet if you look up the stats you will find that Tom Brady has very few late game comebacks. Manning has done it and I think the last time New England was behind late in a game and needed a touchdown drive he threw a pick in Indy. I don't think that New England should be a 16 point favorite, and if that doesn't motivate the Skins to come out with some pride then the season is over. One last thought: if the Patriots find thmselves up 42-7 on the Skins at halftime and the Skins use up half of the third quarter on their first drive of the second half only to throw a pick in the endzone, and the Patriots come out throwing passes I would send Sean Taylor and Leron Landry up the middle and introduce themselves to Tom Brady. Then we will see who needs thicker skin.

[mAshparie36]

Let me ask you this, Mr. Pats fan: Has ANYONE of those fragile twig receivers on the Pats been hit by someone by the likes of Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, et al? Do you know what happened the last time Randy Moss faced Sean Taylor? (I'll give you a hint: it starts with "walked off the field early" and ends with "crying in pain")

hahaha i remember that too. Randy was getting is ass kicked around all day by taylor.

[pilsburypgh]

Brady is the real source he needs to get smacked!! as for moss! who cares, ya see thats the problem with a lot of teams is that they give moss too much respect!! respect will hurt you!! its bout time to hand moss a huge sandwich if he decides to even think about touchin the ball, Period, lets disrespect the pats and get exotic with the blitzes and whoever catches, God be with them cause they gonna get smashed!! skins gonna get mad respect after this game win or lose!!!

[CliffBattles]

Taylor did own Moss that game...but, didn't Moss score a touchdown against us while limping?

From my earlier post, I gave huge credit to the Patriots....and I think the 16-17 point spread is justified....as the Pats have destroyed the spread every game....most of which have been pretty big.


They are way better than the offenses of the Packers/Lions/Giants/Cards/Eagles/Dolphins.....heck, their defense is better than any of those, as well.

If we were playing at home, they were coming of a road Monday night game, our line was healthy, Moss wasn't dropping balls, Portis was running like the beginning of his career, and Campbell was never throwing a pass high or too early, I still wouldn't feel confident....These '07 Patriots are (through seven games) one of the greatest teams ever to play professional football.

Just as if you were fighting someone bigger, stronger, quicker, and tougher than you....you have to hit them first, hard, and repeatedly.....it is the only way to give you a good chance at winning.

With all that being said....without a field goal kicker that was extremely clutch, without the tuck rule (an incomplete pass, when the player was NOT trying to throw the ball???? A rule nobody had heard of until that play!), without squeaking by three points to an overconfident Rams team, squeaking by three points to a nervous banged up Eagles team, squeaking by three points to a no-name Panthers team....without all those things Tom Brady and Bill Belichick would NOT have any trophies or rings.

Three superbowls provided at the foot of a kicker, over teams that really weren't that great....and that tuck rule....c'mon.

Also, just because Bill Parcells sticks up for his boy and says "everyone does it" doesn't make it true....I guarantee you Joe Gibbs does NOT cheat...in that blatant fashion.

So, yes the legacy isn't that much.....but, this particular team is very good....and 27 TDs to 2 interceptions....that's like stats put up on Madden.

[Dance04]

Brady is the real source he needs to get smacked!! as for moss! who cares, ya see thats the problem with a lot of teams is that they give moss too much respect!! respect will hurt you!!

LOL! Moss gets too much respect? Come on dude, do you watch football? he.is.a.stud

[redskins55]

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I liken this game to when we last played the Colts in Indy. We kept it close in the first half, we had a decent shot to win. Then in the second half the wheels came off the wagon and Peyton had his way with us. There will be a play in the 3rd quarter which will determine how the game goes. If it doesn't go our way, it could start falling apart fast. If it does go our way, strap on your helmet.



I've been thinking this as well. We almost hurt Manning in that game when Daniels nearly decapitated him. We were in that game until the third quarter and we simply didnt have the weapons on defense to keep pace with their offense. The Colts last year do remind me of the Pats this year and I'm believing this game with the pats will go similar to the Colts game last year. If we can mount more of an offensive effort against the Pats (28 points), and sustain our high octane defense (Fluster Brady and his receivers ) we will win.

[aussieskin]

Isnt it really good to be able to sit down and talk with a fan from an opposing club and just talk about football without all the emotional BS, I really do appreciate fans from other clubs who show respect and are all class.

[Mr. Grundle]

Randy Moss doesn't scare me with Taylor lurking deep. The guy that scares me the most is Wes Welker. I don't think Fred Smoot or any linebacker playing zone underneath can cover this guy. He is the best slot receiver in the NFL right now and Brady loves to throw to him.

This is a defenses ultimate test...should be interesting.

[Gibbs!We!Trust!]

Check out CBS sportsline ranking. The Lions, Chargers, Panthers, are ranked head of us. Is it me or did we beat the lions.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10427076

[Redskins4ever]

New England wasn't looking ahead to Super Bowl 42? Sure they were. They thought they would beat the Colts. Gibbs knows what he's up against. New England has a great team, but we won't know until after midway through the first quarter what kind of game this will be.

Bellichick is a great coach. You can't take anything away from what he's accomplished with the Patriots. They are a team that's low on ego and high on heart. But so are the Redskins because our team reflects our coach. New England are professionals. But guess what? So are the Washington Redskins. No one knows what it takes to win more than Joe Gibbs.

[JoeGibbsIsMyHero]

Check out CBS sportsline ranking. The Lions, Chargers, Panthers, are ranked head of us. Is it me or did we beat the lions.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10427076


Who cares what the CBS Sportsline rankings are? I agree, they are inaccurate but I thought this was a post about the game this Sunday. It would serve all of us well to ignore the media, especially this week.

This game will not be a blow-out. Our D is by far, the best the Pats have seen this season. Our secondary has the potential to be very special. Moss should be kept in check with Carlos in front and Sean "5 picks in 6 games" Taylor over the top. Look for him to nab a jump ball from Moss for #7.

Springs and Smoot are no slouches on the other side with help over the top from Landry and maybe Preliou depending on how pass happy the Pats want to be.

The real key to this game is getting pressure on Brady and stopping the run. I have a feeling Belicheck wants to run the ball early and often in this game and try to take advantage of our blitz packages with play action. If we can stop the run with the front 7 and get to Brady early, we have a chance. I like what I've seen from our D line so far and Fletcher has been, in Jason Campell's own words, "the best addidition to this team of the offseason."

We must hold them to under 30 points to keep this game competitive. I think we can do that. The only thing that worries me is Campell and our Wide recievers getting on the same page against the best defense he's ever played against. We must establish the run to take pressure off of our young QB. Portis, Betts, and Sellers need 150-200 yards rushing so we can hit Moss, Randel El and Thrash (an underrated deep threat) on big play action gains.

It might not be probable. But it is possible. We can beat the Patriots if we can control the clock, establish the run, and force turnovers. I've seen us do all those things this year we just need to put it all together....for the entire 60 minutes!!!!!!! :2cents:

[Potato Sack]

Good post, but still a tad arrogant. You spoke about Randy Moss, and fail to mention the times he has actually FACED ST. He hasn't faired well.

I think both teams will have their hands full. It should be interesting.

[Potato Sack]

Here's one of your quotes from our lookalikes thread, troll:


Yeah, yeah... yuk it up now... cause in a few days it's going to be all tears in Washington!

You're anything but sincere. This thread is a pile of :pooh: Now we know what you're all about.

Please return when we win this game. Don't be a troll.

[Jaron]

I hope one of the first defensive plays we run resembles this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-zuQOtEu4k

or this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GXA7OVQAYk8

[IWANTOBEGM]

I love the double coverage bit....Skins play cover 2 bro, no double coverage going on. They'll drop the Lb's just like we did against detroit forcing the Pats to run the ball. That plays into what the Skins want, eliminating the big play and shortening the game.

The biggest challenge, is not defending the pats, but attacking on offense. JG, as much as I love him, is killing me with double te's and James thrash as the only wr on the field, he might as well tell the opposition what side we are running to.

[*Connecticut_Skins_Fan*]

Here's one of your quotes from our lookalikes thread, troll:



You're anything but sincere. This thread is a pile of :pooh: Now we know what you're all about.

Please return when we win this game. Don't be a troll.

NICE call out !LOL New England Cheaters! :patriotsu

UNless our "O" gets off its ass and becomes LESS conservative, everygame will be a tough challange.

As for our "D" .... You Redskins fans need to know nothing more than you already do... I'm sure the Redskins "D" will introduce themselfs properly to the New England Cheaters.

Lastly.. 16pts?!!! how rediculious is that? Yes the Cheaters are playing well, have they faced a #3 type "D" yet? :nono: NO they haven't.. With that said, 16pts is insulting. Not only should the Washington Redskins shove the point spread up the media 's ass, but the New England Cheaters and the rest of the ESPN (EX COWBOYS PLAYERS N COACHES TV NETWORK) FOX and CBS stations asses as well.

[Mad Mike]

Yes, a lot of you are right – this IS going to be a good test for us. Washington will be the second team of any real quality we've faced this year. BUT, please keep in mind the weaponry at Brady's disposal. You WILL have to double cover Moss. Nickel, Dime, whatever you run you're going to have to double team him or you're going to get owned. Say you manage to shut Moss down... what are you going to do about Welker? Stallworth? Gaffney? If you want to rush and jam 8 men in the box to pressure Brady or stop the run – he's going to shred your secondary. Double cover and play pass protect and Maroney, Morris and Faulk will eat up huge chunks of real estate.

BZZZZZT. WRONG.

Sean Taylor changes everything. We don't have to double Moss deep because Taylor can play the entire deep field and get under any deep pass before it gets there or come up and lay the wood on anyone catching the ball over the middle. And BTW I hope your trainers are well rested because they are going to have their hands full. I just hope Taylor doesn't actually kill Moss when he hits his skinny ass.

Honestly, I'm so sick of the arrogance of NE and their fans that this is one game I want to see us knock people the **** out. No permanent damage mind you but I want and expect us to inflict lots of pain. Lets see if you can put up 40 with your boys on the side line crying for mommy.

:evil:

[Eileenma]

[QUOTE=Pats2007]yet we're the only ones being raked over hot coals for doing what teams are SUPPOSED to do?QUOTE]

Pats2007, what sports media are you listening to??? I can't turn anything on that I am not hearing the media singing the praises of NE, and that is putting it lightly. I guarantee you that if the 'Skins were to win this game, the media will come up with all sorts of excuses as to why the Pats lost. They are just the darlings of the League, ahead of Indy and Dallas and whomever else right now.

I am hoping for a real good, solid game, and one that goes right down to the final tick. Sure I'd love to save on my heart and have Washington up by, oh say 28 or 35 late in the 4th, but that is totally wishfull thinking and defies all laws of physics in this one.:) I am no fan of NE even though I live here, my team has always been the Washington Redskins, through good times and bad. But I will say that I have a great deal of respect for your Team and the way they are playing right now, that can not be denied, quite, quite impressive.

Here's to a great game!
Hail Skins.................Eileen

[JoeKnowsBest]

That's my point. Randy isn't *THE* weapon... he's just ONE of many. NE does a very good job of making sure that its not dependent on just one player. The only exception is Brady. But, our backups aren't “terrible” at all.




The presence of Randy is enough to give most D's nightmares, but he's not the only receiver who can make huge plays and or score.

We don't have to double team Randy. Sean Taylor will give him nightmares after this game is over. Randy hates to get hit and he's never met the human hit stick in his career before. Moss might claim to be a freak but he's never seen a defensive freak like Sean Taylor before.

And let's say that Sean Taylor wasn't assigned to him due to position. Moss would be inviting a double team. He made those Dolphins players look silly the way they had him double and triple covered and he still caught touchdowns. Moss is inviting a double team and to be honest, double teaming him might not be in our best interest anyway.

The key lies with Tom Brady. Not Randy Moss.

[Stan Neal]

I have been a Redskin fan for many years and the one thing I can say about Joe Gibbs is that when the odds are piled against the Redskins he will not allow them to leave anything on the field. Case in point, last year against the Colts, Payton Manning was just about distroyed by the Redskin defense in the first half. (Too bad our offense was so sorry last year). Last year against the Saints - they were tearing up the league coming off a total stomping of the Cowboys - Game result - Redskins win (9+ point underdog). The first quarter will be critical. If the Redskins bring the wood and get big hits early on Brady and Moss, all bets are off. I remember another team that had an unstoppable offense comparable to the 2007 Pats, the 1991 Bills - Game result - Redskins win. Joe Gibbs and the 2007 Redskins will upset the Pats. - By the way - Good Luck to you too.

[skinswin'emALL]

You guys have a pretty good team here. Good D and an O that's on its way and can only get better.

I've been reading your board here (nice layout by the way), and I wanted to enlighten you on a few things.

1. Belichick does not overlook ANY team (including the Dolphins). Trust me on this, he's taking you all just as serious as he is the Dolts we have to face in a couple of weeks. NE does not look ahead to future games - this is one of the cornerstones to our overall success.


I like that, and think that is 100% true.... HOWEVER..... IF somehow the skins won, 101% of the media and 110% of Pats fans would be saying the Pats overlooked them and did not play there best, blah, blah, blah.... and litte or no credit to the skins having a good team or playing a good game

I wont get to see it live... I'll be at the Pep Boys 500 in Atlanta...

GO SKINS!