WP: Why a Redskins Victory Isn't Out of the Question

[bubba9497]

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[THEHEREAFTER]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

[skinfan2k]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

does it matter? 4-2? this is our coming out party

[SkinsNumberOne]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.
You're right, that makes it doubtful. Luckily we have safeties and a secondary who I think have a better shot at not getting burned so bad to lead up to 48 points being dropped on them.

[SearchHorizon]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.
Our receivers not having a TD has a lot to do with play calling. We always prefer runs/pass plays via FB, TE, QB, etc.

This week, I think the coaches will pull out all the stops.

[bubba9497]

just imagine 4-2 and our WR haven't got rolling yet

[One Shot]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

Yes, that stat is very disturbing. It's bound to end sometime.

[dfbovey]

The familiarity isn't such a great selling point considering Gibbs record against the Giants when Bilichick was there with Parcells.

[tizzod]

The reasons we have a VERY good chance to win this game are as follows: The Redskins almost always play to the level of their opponent, and 2) this is just the game where they will play flawless and actually pull one out. No chance, a seemingly overwhelming opponent, this is made up perfect for the Redskins to win. Why? Because they are just the kind of pull your hair out, make you absolutely crazy team that you can't figure out from week to week. They never make any sense. They never do what they are supposed to. To be perfectly honest, I expected them to lose to the Cardinals, and then come back and win this week.

It's just that kind of a crazy, make no sense team. Their inconsistency must make them absolutely maddening to other teams. You have no idea which team to expect. This week, though, they will play up to their opponent and can very well win.

Then, when we are back playing teams like the Jets and the Bills, you will see more 16-13 stinkers.

[Zazzaro703]

The Redskins havent lost to the Patriots (not including preseason) since 1972. We have the longest current win streak against them at 6, next closest is the Colts at 2. Gregg Williams performs well against the Pats and will have our defense ready to go. Remember the game where Lawyer was traded and the bills beat them down, i think even shutting them out? I think we have a much better chance then anyone is giving us credit for.

*edit* Hell our Spurrier led Gators even found a way to beat them, and they were no slouches in 2004. After we beat them they won 18 games in a row including the superbowl.

[moviedude25]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

I hate agreeing with a *&^%&^# Cowgirl fan but he's right :doh: :doh: :doh:

[Gigantor]

While New England is a great team, they are overrated IMO. Look at the teams they've played:

Jets
Chargers
Bills
Bengals
Browns
Cowboys
Dolphins

I'm impressed with the way they won those games, but not by the quality of their opponent. I think they're about to play their toughest game this season sunday.

We have a chance to win and IMO the Pats offense will choke against our Defense. Once Randy Moss gets a slaughberknocker by ST, he'll be crying to Mommy the way TO does everytime he plays against us and get alligator arms, Stallworth will follow, thus allowing Fletch and Rocky to stuff the run.

If Campbell can just throw accurately for a second game like he did against the lions, we got it. If he regresses to his ussual overthrows and throwing behind the receiver, it's over. So the game is really on Campbell.

Good luck JC!

I think we can win this game. Hail!

[MontanaSkins]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

I understand that on paper the Skins are a longshot at best. But you never believed your team could pull an upset even though conventional wisdom says otherwise? IMO if Gibbs opens up the offense the Skins could pull off the upset.

:dallasuck

[SkinsHokieFan]

Sure why not

In the words of Herm Edwards, you play to win the game

Well, lets win it. New England is the best team the Redskins have played in years. It is like going on the road to face the number 1 team in the nation

I can't think of a time the Redskins were facing such a team on a roll (even last year's Colts)

Why the hell not? Play loose, have fun, and hey if you lose no biggie, its on the road against the AFC

[Thirtyfive2seven]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

Don't be bitter because you got smoked by them :) The Redskins defense is MUCH better than the sorry Cowpukes D. That is not in dispute. However, the girls have a much more potent offense and there is no disputing that either.

Defense wins championships....

[bubba9497]

Tiki Barber said something Sunday night that many ignored

That you can't count out the Redskins, because they are winning ugly....when things aren't going well and they still find a way to win

[skinthemboys]

IMO, It wont be an upset. I will be suprised if we dont come away with a win. Our defense will be the x-factor in this game. Gibbs is giving his usual respect to the oponnent, and he is laying it on double thick for new england. But I know, behind closed doors, he is lighting a fire under this teams ass. Gibbs wants this win. The redskins want this win. I know we will go to new england and take it.

[Riggo-toni]

The familiarity isn't such a great selling point considering Gibbs record against the Giants when Bilichick was there with Parcells.

Beat me to it. Belichik's D owned Gibbs even back in the glory days. :( :(

[bubba9497]

My biggest concerns are the OL health, and Campbell reading Belichiks defense


but as far as Campbell goes... The coaching staff will have him prepared, the Skins coaching Staff probably has more experience and knowledge about Belichik than any in the NFL

Gibbs from his Skins vs Parcell's Giants days, Williams former Buffalo coach (and the Titans), and Sauders from his AFC days with the Chiefs

[bubba9497]

Beat me to it. Belichik's D owned Gibbs even back in the glory days. :( :(

owned?... the giants did give the Skins fits... but not "owned"

The Skins still beat them a fair amount of times and put up points... even with them having LT... who the last time I checked isn't playing Sunday

[InTikiITrust]

While New England is a great team, they are overrated IMO. Look at the teams they've played:

Look at the teams the Redskins have played...do any of them even remotely come close to the fire power the Pats put on the field?

[bubba9497]

Look at the teams the Redskins have played...do any of them even remotely come close to the fire power the Pats put on the field?


on Offense?

the Lions and Packers

both were ranked AHEAD of the Pats the week the Skins played them

[Yusuf06]

I hate to say this but I think we've got a real shot against the Patsies. They haven't been challenged by a real defense all season and Brady has done his best Daunte Culpepper impersonation by flinging jump balls to Moss all year. With Taylor on the field he's going to have to revert to prior, smarter play or pay the price in INTs.

The real question is whether our beat up offense and makeshift offensive line can score enough points to win. If our offense plays like it did against the Cards, we're going to get shut out vs. the Patsies.

[InTikiITrust]

on Offense?

the Lions and Packers

both were ranked AHEAD of the Pats the week the Skins played them

Stats aside, do either the Lions or the Packers have the ammount of sheer talent the Patriots have on the offensive side of the ball? When it all comes down to putting points on the board, the Patriots do it more than anyone else and average more than 30 points a game. The Pats have 20 more touchdowns than both the Lions and Packers do at this point.

[deejaydana]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.


Trap game fool.

[GSF]

Look at the teams the Redskins have played...do any of them even remotely come close to the fire power the Pats put on the field?


on Offense?

the Lions and Packers

both were ranked AHEAD of the Pats the week the Skins played them

Nobody in the league has the fire power that the Pats do. They have the best QB throwing to the best WR, with 2 other WRs that would be #1s on most other teams. They also have an excellent oline with a damn good back once he gets healthy again.

[W1N_SKINS]

were gunna have to do something amazing to win

[bubba9497]

Stats aside, do either the Lions or the Packers have the ammount of sheer talent the Patriots have on the offensive side of the ball? When it all comes down to putting points on the board, the Patriots do it more than anyone else and average more than 30 points a game. The Pats have 20 more touchdowns than both the Lions and Packers do at this point.


and what defense has the Pats played that equals the talents the Skins have on defense???


The Skins have shut down Moss and Stallworth in the past, and have what it takes to slow them down now

big hitters, depth, and speed

I hope and Pray Brady throws some of those up for grabs passes in double coverage...IF ST doesn't make the Int, him or Landry will lay the lumber to Moss to make him think twice on the next play call

Brady has a history of having bad games against good pass defenses, as Indy and Miami... and the Chargers last year

seriously the Pats aren't super human, and Belichik isn't the only genius coaching Sunday...

Will the Skins win :whoknows:

but don't think for a second they can't

[KevinthePRF]

1. Doubt it, this team is focused on every game.

2. Possibility.

3. This was 20 years ago, the game has changed a bit since then. No.

4. Our best reason we could upset, but this doesn't account for the present state of our offense.

[bubba9497]

Nobody in the league has the fire power that the Pats do. They have the best QB throwing to the best WR, with 2 other WRs that would be #1s on most other teams. They also have an excellent oline with a damn good back once he gets healthy again.


you mean Stallworth that was run out of New Orleans, and was so worthy the Eagles didn't attempt to resign him? or Randy Moss a WR that no one on this board wanted when he left the Vikings, and the Raiders gave him away for a fourth round pick. While both have tremendous talent, they both are mental cases, and have flaws the Skins can exploit. Welker is a speedy slot WR, but not speedier than our secondary


The Past are missing a key player in Watson, and Maroney still isn't 100%, Brady has had bad days before against good pass defenses... see Indy, the Chargers , and the Dolphins (who have a winning record against him the past few years)

The Skins offense will have to put together two good halfs , and special teams will have to rebound from last Sunday.. and maybe get a break or two on a bouncing ball... but no matter what people want to believe... the Pats can be beat, and the Skins have the talent and coaching to do it.... but it will all have to come together and play with no mistakes

[Uno Boss]

Its not like the patriots have been man handling teams in the trenches and just powering over them with a physical game...

They dont have a RB that can take over the game and force us up into the box...

Sammy morris does not scare me and neither does kevin faulk...neither is better than E james.or B. Westbrook......




Alot of their passing TD's the ball was only thrown 1-10 yards so some were due to bad tackling and another...

10 of Brady's 27 TD's were bombs and/or jump balls....



which plays right into our hands....



They only thing im concerned about is taylor being over anxious and too agressive and biting on Brady pump fakes....


if he waits until the ball is in the air and reacts like he has been doing so well this season we get at least 2 picks...

and a forced fumble from our LB's on brady over the middle and welker in the slot.....

Wellker is quick but he has not seen this kind of punishment....


I swear to the heaven skies that this D is for real and they will be out to prove it on sunday.....:cheers::cheers::cheers:

[Gigantor]

Look at the teams the Redskins have played...do any of them even remotely come close to the fire power the Pats put on the field?

Yes, at the time we played them the lions were the #1 offense and the "analysts" had their head sooo far up their rectum that you couldn't see their necks. Same goes for the cheeseheads, and although they won, it was pure luck.

New England is overrated IMO. There is no use arguing, we'll find out soon enough. I've seen it before, Gibbs had an ice-cold face during the last presser, one I haven't seen in a long, long time. Look for our skins to come out swinging and taking names.

Hail!

[InTikiITrust]

and what defense has the Pats played that equals the talents the Skins have on defense???

While the Cowboys defense isn't the Skins defense, it's pretty good and gets the job done. And the Pats spanked them.



The Skins have shut down Moss and Stallworth in the past, and have what it takes to slow them down now

Have the Skins shut down both of them while they were on the same team? Yeah, it's great if you shut down Moss on Sunday, but if Stallworth and Welker put up 250 yards and three TDs combined...does it matter if you shut down Moss?


Brady has a history of having bad games against good pass defenses, as Indy and Miami... and the Chargers last year

seriously the Pats aren't super human, and Belichik isn't the only genius coaching Sunday...

Bad games against good passes defenses...but he still finds a way to win most of the time. And he's also NEVER had this kind of talent at the WR position. No one really ever has.

Pats may not be super human, but it's pretty damn impressive they average over 30 points a game for 7 games.

[six4g]

When you get down to it, there are only a few defenses in the league that can go toe-toe with the Pat's:

1) the Ravens, simply because they don't give up the big play and they're sound from the line to the secondary.

2) the Bronco's, i think Bly and Champ take away 2 of the threats. Which means Welker or Watson kill's them (Lynch can only get one)

3) the Giant's, as they're playing now OSI and Strayhan are killing it. That secondary will be their undoing against the Pat's though.

4) our very own Skins, I'm convinced that we have the best LB's and secondary units in the league. Moss has never come up big against ST. Sean put that fear in him early. We have the DB's to handle Welker and Stallworth. Watson, got a couple of LB's that should hold him down. Only problem is front four might not be able to put enough pressure on Brady to get the ball out of his hand. AC gotta have his best game as a Skin.

JC and the crew gotta show up this week. Pat's D not so special. The phin's put up 21. We can cover that.

[phishisthegreatstuff]

We should play this game with nothing to lose. we should spread um out and be very agressive. I don't think your going to the same game plan you saw last week, thats for sure.

[TheTotalPackage]

our WRs havent caught a TD pass mostly because JC hasn't hit them in stride when throwing a bomb. they normally have to make a diving catch if they make it at all. once we connect on that, we go into a red zone offense and either run or pass to cooley, sellers or whatever other TE

[Rammy19]

Nobody in the league has the fire power that the Pats do. They have the best QB throwing to the best WR, with 2 other WRs that would be #1s on most other teams. They also have an excellent oline with a damn good back once he gets healthy again.

[dfbovey]

owned?... the giants did give the Skins fits... but not "owned"

The Skins still beat them a fair amount of times and put up points... even with them having LT... who the last time I checked isn't playing Sunday

They still have a very good defense in New England and Belichick knows how to scheme. It's a veteran group that plays smart. Campbell is still very inexperienced and our line is in shambles.

I don't know how many times Gibbs beat the Giants with Belichick running the defense in NY, but I think it was a 2-1 ratio in their favor.

[dfbovey]

on Offense?

the Lions and Packers

both were ranked AHEAD of the Pats the week the Skins played them

Neither one of those offenses are as good as the Patriots. Neither one has a QB on the level of Brady and neither one of them can run the ball like the Patriots when they decide that they want to. So I hope you aren't trying to say that either of those offenses are as good or even close to what we'll see this week. Because they most definitely aren't.

[JoeGibbsIsMyHero]

The Patriots offense is te best I've seen in a while. For a qb to have 27 TDs and 2 INTS at this point in the year is rediculous. But....

We did beat the Patriots the last time we played them, and they were on a rediculously long winning streak at that point.

Sean Taylor plays Randy Moss better than any safety in the league. Its on film, look it up.

Our defense is playing lights out.

.....

Our offense can't get any worse at this point right?

[vegas_skins_fan]

I agree with the earlier poster regarding Moss (Randy). Once he goes across the middle and either Sean or LeRon knocks his d*ck in the dirt, he'll effectively be out of the game. Once a quitter..... One less target for Brady. Then if the front 7 can get to Brady (assuming Williams blitzes linebackers) we can stop them cold. They won't run against us.

Now if the OFFENSE can eat clock and keep the defense off the field with some nice long drives, and each drive results in points, we might pull off the upset. We will also need stellar special teams play. FG's and field position will matter. Last but not least, protect the ball and get some damn turnovers!!!

FYI, every Vegas book I've checked has the Pats at no less than 16, and there's probably no reason that would change. I'm betting the Skins straight up, no teaser. I hope we cover but more importantly I hope we win!

[Deefense]

yea Pats aint gotta chance. we got this one

:2drunks:

[redskins55]

I understand that on paper the Skins are a longshot at best. But you never believed your team could pull an upset even though conventional wisdom says otherwise? IMO if Gibbs opens up the offense the Skins could pull off the upset.

:dallasuck

On paper:

Springs/Taylor vs. Moss

Rogers vs. Welker

Smoot vs. Stallworth

Landry vs. Gafney

For some reason I'm real optimistic ;)

[jaydogg3eb]

On paper:

Springs/Taylor vs. Moss

Rogers vs. Welker

Smoot vs. Stallworth

Landry vs. Gafney

For some reason I'm real optimistic ;)

Wow, that does look really good. :applause:

[THEHEREAFTER]

That wasn't a cheap shot earlier. I was shocked that none of your WR's have reached the endzone yet. I'll say it again. The skins match up pretty good in the secondary and get a huge break in that Ben Watson is one less headache to deal with. As good as the skins secondary and LB's are in pass coverage it's still very difficult to match up with all of their weapons. They're very good at spreading the field and forcing teams to pick a poison. The skins have to be very physical and knock Brady around. The Pats O-line is very very good and smart though. I'm guessing GW will rush four and play coverage. Sounds good, but if you give Brady time, he'll pick you apart... I don't care if you have 10 people dropping, he'll find the open guy.

The biggest question is does Gibbs trust JC enough to take the training wheels off and open things up CONSISTENTLY. Ball control and keeping Brady off the field sounds good and theory but Belichick is too smart for that. JC is going to have to have a monster game IMO. If the skins weren't so pedestrian on offense, this might be an interesting game. The Pats will still score 34+ and win convincingly. Not because the skins aren't playing outstanding defense. The skins offense will be forced into too many 3 and outs, Bilichick is likely to confuse JC, Gibbs will have to do things with the offense that are uncharacteristic of how he wants to play and the D will eventually grow tired. :2cents:

[THEHEREAFTER]

On paper:

Springs/Taylor vs. Moss

Rogers vs. Welker

Smoot vs. Stallworth

Landry vs. Gafney

For some reason I'm real optimistic ;)

Are you kidding me? Better play some zone because that actually looks like a nightmare. Do you really trust Smoot locked up on Stallworth and Rogers matched up on Welker manned up?

[Potato Sack]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

Guys....be nice. His team just got eaten alive by Brady and co. His ego is still a bit bruised.

[Potato Sack]

Are you kidding me? Better play some zone because that actually looks like a nightmare. Do you really trust Smoot locked up on Stallworth and Rogers matched up on Welker manned up?

I'm sure we will do a hell of a lot better than you guys did.

[Potato Sack]

That wasn't a cheap shot earlier. I was shocked that none of your WR's have reached the endzone yet.

And we're still 4-2. I can't wait till our WRs start rolling. ;)

[dcsmooth]

just imagine 4-2 and our WR haven't got rolling yet
I like the way you think, Bubba...I'm right there with you. It's just a matter of time when the offense will be blazing, and the NFL will be in for a rude awakening. There's just too much offensive weapons to be too quiet for too long!

[RDSCNZ20]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.

YEA..LIKE THE BAMAS FROM THE SWAP LANDS DID..

[redman]

"On any given Sunday" still applies in this league. Unless you think the Pats are going 16-0, someone's going to beat them. This can easily fall into the category of a "trap game" for NE too- it's non-conference, against at team that struggled at home against AZ, with the Pats certainly starting to look forward to that matchup against Indy.

Here's what I'd say about this game. In their current condition, I'd give the 'Skins around a 1-in-5 to 1-in-7 chance to win. They're beat to hell on the o-line, suffering from poor WR play overall, and their inability to sustain drives is contributing to an otherwise excellent defense getting tired by the end of the 3rd quarter.

A healthy 'Skins team (particularly with Thomas and Jansen playing) would fare better and maybe would have a 1-in-3 to 1-in-4 chance of beating them.

What I like about the 'Skins is that even with their offensive problems, their defense and special teams are playing at a high level, higher than the Patriots. The only edge in those categories that I'd give to the Pats would be at kicker, because I don't think Suisham is kicking with confidence right now and he's just not reliable from 40+ yards right now. The 'Skins punting, coverage and return units have looked very good though.

As the old saying goes, if you can win in 2 out of 3 facets of the game, you have a good chance to win the game. The 'Skins probably need to have a 2+ turnover advantage to be able to win this game. They also need at least one big special teams play (blocked punt; TD return, etc.). If they do that, they are capable of winning an ugly game, like 23-20 or something like that. That's how it would have to happen. It's not a ridiculous concept at all.

That said, I'm realistic and know that that can't be expected. Like I said, I think the Pats win this game at least 4 out of 5 times. But . . . that's why they play the game!

[DaMuller7]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.


As much as I really hate this stat, you are totally correct...

[DaMuller7]

Are you kidding me? Better play some zone because that actually looks like a nightmare. Do you really trust Smoot locked up on Stallworth and Rogers matched up on Welker manned up?


Yeah why wouldn't this be a good match up. They haven't faced a secondary like ours and have been facing secondary's like Miami's or Dallas which are suspect....

[budski]

Actually I think the timing is right for Redskins to pull an upset. 7 games into the season

[radagast5]

Are you kidding me? Better play some zone because that actually looks like a nightmare. Do you really trust Smoot locked up on Stallworth and Rogers matched up on Welker manned up?

I agree.

I remember back in 2000 we played the Rams on MNF. The matchups were:

Sanders v. Holt

Bailey v. Bruce

Green v. Hakim

In Sanders, Bailey and Green you have, bar none, the best trifecta of CBs ever assembled on one team. Those three are the best coverage corners in the NFL in the past 25 years. Three HOFers. And the Rams absolutely scorched them in man-to-man. In the second quarter, the Redskins switched to zone and it was lights out for the Rams and the 'Skins won.

If the 'Skins front four can get to Brady without blitzing, the Skins stand a chance. Otherwise, Brady will shred this defense, even if the jump ball to Moss is taken away (which it will be).

[radagast5]

I like the way you think, Bubba...I'm right there with you. It's just a matter of time when the offense will be blazing, and the NFL will be in for a rude awakening. There's just too much offensive weapons to be too quiet for too long!

I don't buy this at all.

Name me a team with a "blazing" offense that doesn't have a very good offensive line.

The Pats line is playing exceptionally well. The Cowboys OL has been very consistent. Saunders' lines in KC were the best in the NFL. Gibbs' OL during his first tenure were the best in the NFL. The Rams' "Greatest Show on Turf" kept Warner clean and opened pipelines for Faulk.

We have a borderline dreadful OL right now. I don't mean to impune the guys, but the backups are backups for a reason: they lack blue-chip talent.

It *is* a matter of time before our OL is dominant. And by time, I mean 10 months when Jansen, Thomas, and Rabach are (hopefully) healthy. Until then, this offense will continue to be a 14-17 point/game unit.

[Veretax]

When we return 4 brady INTs for Touchdowns our offense's job will be to run the clock out :D

[InTikiITrust]

Yeah why wouldn't this be a good match up. They haven't faced a secondary like ours and have been facing secondary's like Miami's or Dallas which are suspect....

The Skins secondary hasn't faced a QB or WR like they will on Sunday. Don't say Detroit - Brady is, by far, a much better QB than Kitna.

[RabidFan]

If you wanna crown them already....CROWN THEM! :)

[Isifhan]

Are you kidding me? Better play some zone because that actually looks like a nightmare. Do you really trust Smoot locked up on Stallworth and Rogers matched up on Welker manned up?

We played man vs the Lions with better talent in Roy and Calvin (vs. stallworth/welker) and walked away with them doing nothing. So yeah I'd be comfortable if it came down to that.

[cannonshogs44]

Wait a minute. Adam Schefter just reported that no skins WR has a TD this year through six games? Are you kidding me? The skins don't have a shot because of the offense.We have been holding back! Its all over for now for New England, The Cowboys. All WR to the end zone this week baby.:D

[elkabong82]

The Skins secondary hasn't faced a QB or WR like they will on Sunday. Don't say Detroit - Brady is, by far, a much better QB than Kitna.

New England hasn't faced a pass defense like ours. We are the best in the league, while NE has enjoyed playing against some of the worst D's in the the NFL.

Lions did have the number one passing attack when they played us. Now they don't, and there's a reason for that. Here's a hint 34-3.

A lot of NEs touchdowns have been a result of jump balls and piss poor tackling by the opposing D.

I hope we win, but this is only the second game of the season where I have serious doubts. However, I'd be very much willing to bet that we beat the 16 point spread, AND that we hold NE under 30 points.

[monkforhall]

Our receivers are due and they know it. They are going to have big games. We may not win the game, but we're not leaving New England with any arrows left, and New Englands receivers are going to earn there paychecks this week. I guarantee they are watching film and are very concerned about getting pounded by Taylor and co.

[Isifhan]

The Skins secondary hasn't faced a QB or WR like they will on Sunday. Don't say Detroit - Brady is, by far, a much better QB than Kitna.

This is a ridiculous statement. I guess no team in the league should count then unless they are the colts or the patriots. Yes, let's not say Detroit, you know, it's not like they weren't leading the league in passing until they played us and Kitna hasn't thrown for 1,400+ yards this season. :rolleyes: