Patriots running up the score??

[Humble Pie]

Since the last 3 teams the Patriots beat has accused them of running up the score. I wonder Redskins fans will say the same thing after the game.

[Bacon]

Nah, we'll be running up the score on THEM. ;)

[/fantasy land]

[9_to_42_td]

Well you can be sure if they can run it up on us, they will.

[emor09]

i wont be mad...if we cant stop it, why should they stop?

[Cringer Eats You]

We would never run up the score, not with Gibbs at the helm!


HTTR

[B100d_arrowz]

Running up the score doesn't really exist in the NFL. Both teams have players that every week pull in 6 figure salaries, its not as though the Pats are a BCS team going against someone from the Sunbelt. If they can keep scoring on us you know they will.
And I hope if we seize any chance we get to score, it would be nice not to put the game completely on the defenses shoulders again

[2006Skins]

No such thing in the NFL. Just ask the old Houston Oilers (vs Buffalo Bills) or even the Bucs against the Colts (Up by 3 scores with 5 min to play).

[SkinsFanMania]

I believe the Pats have been running up the score to prove a point to the entire NFL. However there is a deep respect between Gibbs and Belichick from his time as DC of the NYG from 1985-1991. If for some reason the Pats are up by a couple touchdowns near the end of the game, I don't think they will do what they did to the Cowboys.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

A small part may be running up the score...but I feel they do this mainly because anything is possible and it teaches the team to play relentlessy. This is a reason why Belicheck has 3 rings in recent years.

If they can and do do this to us, what is the issue? Their coach just has the balls to play relentlessly...

[Touchdown Redskins]

Of course there is such a thing as running up the score in the NFL. Yes, there are miracle comebacks every now and then, but do you really think that's what Bellicheat is thinking? Come on, don't be naive. Bellicheat is sticking up the franchise's middle finger to the NFL this season, and he wants to blow teams out no matter what the score. Do you think they had to score with under 1:30 remaining in the Dallas game when they were up by 14 points and Dallas with no timeouts? No, they could have taken a knee.

The worst part about this is that the media conveniently overlooks this and the cheating scandal as if it's boys being boys. This is ridiculous. Some of you need to open your eyes at the blatant disregard of sportsmanship occuring before your very eyes.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Of course there is such a thing as running up the score in the NFL. Yes, there are miracle comebacks every now and then, but do you really think that's what Bellicheat is thinking? Come on, don't be naive. Bellicheat is sticking up the franchise's middle finger to the NFL this season, and he wants to blow teams out no matter what the score. Do you think they had to score with under 1:30 remaining in the Dallas game when they were up by 14 points and Dallas with no timeouts? No, they could have taken a knee.

The worst part about this is that the media conveniently overlooks this and the cheating scandal as if it's boys being boys. This is ridiculous. Some of you need to open your eyes at the blatant disregard of sportsmanship occuring before your very eyes.

He has taught his team to NEVER ever let off the gas...what is wrong with that??

[2006Skins]

It's about winning. I will think it's running up the score if there is one minute left and Brady does a pa pass for a td while up by 3 scores. But giving it to a fullback with a minute left is not running up the score.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

He has taught his team to NEVER ever let off the gas...what is wrong with that??

Also, if we had ever played like that through our first 6 games, we would be 6-0.....that is the truth.

[Touchdown Redskins]

He has taught his team to NEVER ever let off the gas...what is wrong with that??

It's fine to put teams away, but when you have the game in hand with about a minute remaining, there's no need to score again. This is classless and incredibly arrogant. We have a problem putting teams away because we take our foot off the gas midway through the game. You can take your foot off the pedal when it's one minute to go, the other team has no timeouts, and you are up by 14 points. Believe me, as much as I loved to see Dallas get waxed, I was enraged to see such a classless and arrogant act.

[GoSkinsGo]

Their is a very simple way to stop teams from running up the score.

Stop them. Play defense.

I firmly believe that if your offense can score every possession than you should. Its not wrong, the players and coaches have a job to do and they should do that job as well as they can.

Like someone else said if we attempted to step on the gas pedal we'd be 5-1 or 6-0.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

But how can the Pats run up the score when they lose?

:patriotsu :troll:

[thesubmittedone]

He has taught his team to NEVER ever let off the gas...what is wrong with that??


You've reached your destination. Travel is over. Lay off the gas and get out the car.

Do you continue driving even after you've arrived? Seriously? And you can ask "what is wrong with that?"

No wonder you're one of the more negative types around here. You have very little character and it shows in how you think. :(

Why is there even a "kneel" play then? Why not just FORCE teams to run or pass the ball at all times?

[redskins59]

There is no such thing as "running the score". In this day and age, you need to play four quarters of football. Also, what's wrong with having a killer instinct, something that our headcoach lacks?

[GoSkinsGo]

It's fine to put teams away, but when you have the game in hand with about a minute remaining, there's no need to score again. This is classless and incredibly arrogant. We have a problem putting teams away because we take our foot off the gas midway through the game. You can take your foot off the pedal when it's one minute to go, the other team has no timeouts, and you are up by 14 points. Believe me, as much as I loved to see Dallas get waxed, I was enraged to see such a classless and arrogant act.

Dallas shouldn't have called a timeout nor should they have let the 4th string running back score a touchdown up the gut.

When given the chance you should score. Would you want your running back to break a 70 yard run then just fall down at the 1 yard line so the other team doesn't feel bad?

**** no. Demoralize them. They are professionals playing a competitive game if they don't want to be taking to the wood shed they should stop them.

[Touchdown Redskins]

Their is a very simple way to stop teams from running up the score.

Stop them. Play defense.

I firmly believe that if your offense can score every possession than you should. Its not wrong, the players and coaches have a job to do and they should do that job as well as they can.

Like someone else said if we attempted to step on the gas pedal we'd be 5-1 or 6-0.

Yes, we would be 6-0 if we put our foot on the gas for literally one series in each of those two losses. The rest could still be run, run, pass 3 and outs, and we would have won the game. My meaning is that we could have given up about five or six series a game in those losses and still won. Granted, they would have been very close wins, but wins nonetheless. You do not have to score every series in order to win a game, nor do you have to act like a classless prick in order to win a game.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

You've reached your destination. Travel is over. Lay off the gas and get out the car.

Do you continue driving even after you've arrived? Seriously? And you can ask "what is wrong with that?"

No wonder you're one of the more negative types around here. You have very little character and it shows in how you think. :(

Why is there even a "kneel" play then? Why not just FORCE teams to run or pass the ball at all times?

Dude, what are you talking about? Have I ever spoken to you?

Negative type? I don't think Gibbs is doing a good job, but I couldn't look through more Burgundy and Gold glasses everyday.....please explain.

And P.S, in a football game, the "travel is over" when the clock reads 0:00...

[GoSkinsGo]

You've reached your destination. Travel is over. Lay off the gas and get out the car.

Do you continue driving even after you've arrived? Seriously? And you can ask "what is wrong with that?"

Yeah thats a really relative comparison.



No wonder you're one of the more negative types around here. You have very little character and it shows in how you think. :(

People are negative because we squandered opportunities to go for the throat.

Beyond that judging someones character because a post about wanting to score the most points possible is incredibly arrogant.


Why is there even a "kneel" play then? Why not just FORCE teams to run or pass the ball at all times?
The kneel down is to protect your players at the end of the game. Because when the game is over and the time on the clock is down to the last minute or so they don't want the limited amount of employees that the NFL has to get hurt.

[GoSkinsGo]

Yes, we would be 6-0 if we put our foot on the gas for literally one series in each of those two losses. The rest could still be run, run, pass 3 and outs, and we would have won the game. My meaning is that we could have given up about five or six series a game in those losses and still won. Granted, they would have been very close wins, but wins nonetheless. You do not have to score every series in order to win a game, nor do you have to act like a classless prick in order to win a game.

I personally think Belichik is a arrogant prick. But he also the best arrogant prick to coach a team in the last 15 years or more specifically in this era of football.

Your telling me that you would rather win a game 17-14 every week coming down the last minute instead of rolling over people 38-14?

That's just ridiculous.

[Touchdown Redskins]

Dallas shouldn't have called a timeout nor should they have let the 4th string running back score a touchdown up the gut.

When given the chance you should score. Would you want your running back to break a 70 yard run then just fall down at the 1 yard line so the other team doesn't feel bad?

**** no. Demoralize them. They are professionals playing a competitive game if they don't want to be taking to the wood shed they should stop them.

Those are two different scenarios. If he's going to run for 70 yards, then you can't help it because of defensive deficiencies. It's much harder to break a 70 yarder than go up the gut for a 1 yard TD. Dallas didn't "let" anyone score, and I'm sure they were trying to stop him. If you hadn't noticed, the defense was tired as all hell, just like ours got toward the end of the Arizona game.

Also, you just provided an argument to your own statement. These guys are PROFESSIONALS, not some 15-year old kid playing Madden. Are you trying to tell me Bellicheat is actually trying to demoralize opponents? He's not trying to do anything of the sort. He wants records, he wants TDs, he wants to be known as the greatest, even at the cost of the integrity of the game (as evidenced by the cheating scandal). He's arrogant, and there's no room for his ilk in this sport. You want to run up the score? Play a video game.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I personally think Belichik is a arrogant prick. But he also the best arrogant prick to coach a team in the last 15 years or more specifically in this era of football.

Your telling me that you would rather win a game 17-14 every week coming down the last minute instead of rolling over people 38-14?

That's just ridiculous.

Yeah, he is definitely an arrogant prick, but that is one more reason why I think he does a great job coaching.

This isn't cheerleading, this isn't softball, this is football for crying out loud! The game is a mean, tough one, and you have to have the mentality that he has - "**** the world, I will win, and I will win big".

[Touchdown Redskins]

I personally think Belichik is a arrogant prick. But he also the best arrogant prick to coach a team in the last 15 years or more specifically in this era of football.

Your telling me that you would rather win a game 17-14 every week coming down the last minute instead of rolling over people 38-14?

That's just ridiculous.

I never said that. What I'm saying is that with the game in hand, there's no reason for superfluous TDs. If we're up 14 points with one minute left and the other team has no TDs, and we're at the opponent's 1-yard line, I would not want to punch it in. First of all you risk injuries, and second of all, there's no need for it. We've won. If we run the clock out like Redskins football is supposed to, and we're winning by a lot, there's no reason to put up another TD.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I never said that. What I'm saying is that with the game in hand, there's no reason for superfluous TDs. If we're up 14 points with one minute left and the other team has no TDs, and we're at the opponent's 1-yard line, I would not want to punch it in. First of all you risk injuries, and second of all, there's no need for it. We've won. If we run the clock out like Redskins football is supposed to, and we're winning by a lot, there's no reason to put up another TD.

What happens if you go to kneel it and the handoff goes wrong and they recover? What happens if they then score? Get the onside kick? Score again? On the other side, what happens if we fumble trying to run it in?

The point is anything can happen, and I would rather end the game going for everything....

[Touchdown Redskins]

What happens if you go to kneel it and the handoff goes wrong and they recover? What happens if they then score? Get the onside kick? Score again? On the other side, what happens if we fumble trying to run it in?

The point is anything can happen, and I would rather end the game going for everything....

Now you're starting to sound like Gibbs. What if this? What if that? What if my defense can't hold? What if they get an onside kick? What if I fumble the handoff? Stop thinking/coaching scared. It's a simple kneel down, and if I'm the coach, I have faith in my coaching to take a simple kneel down. I just can't believe we're arguing the risk of a kneel down!

[D'KanSkinFan]

I wasn't kidding when I posted this:



"Tom, you expectin' me to run THRU


Area 51?"



http://www.nbcsports.com/files/nbcsports/nfl/Randy%20moss/RandyMoss2_320x250.jpg

:laugh: :laugh: Seriously, how many OTHER teams you played with this type of "D"?


HAIL REDSKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[GoSkinsGo]

Those are two different scenarios. If he's going to run for 70 yards, then you can't help it because of defensive deficiencies. It's much harder to break a 70 yarder than go up the gut for a 1 yard TD. Dallas didn't "let" anyone score, and I'm sure they were trying to stop him. If you hadn't noticed, the defense was tired as all hell, just like ours got toward the end of the Arizona game.

Dallas called a timeout to stop the clock and the 4th string running back ran up the gut for a score.

Wade did that to himself.


Also, you just provided an argument to your own statement. These guys are PROFESSIONALS, not some 15-year old kid playing Madden. Are you trying to tell me Bellicheat is actually trying to demoralize opponents? He's not trying to do anything of the sort. He wants records, he wants TDs, he wants to be known as the greatest, even at the cost of the integrity of the game (as evidenced by the cheating scandal). He's arrogant, and there's no room for his ilk in this sport. You want to run up the score? Play a video game.
In any sport you try to demoralize the other team. Make them hang their heads make them remember that you gave them the ass whooping of their life. People remember these things and mentally it can play a part.

You damn right he wants the records. People play the game to be the best. When you do something just to be good at it instead of being the best your not giving it your all.

When you go to work do you try to be mediocre to good? Or do you try to be the best. You want your boss, and his boss to notice you. You want your company to say "He works his ass off and tries to accomplish the most possible".

Belichik is a **** and he's arrogant but he's also got 3 rings in 5 years and is pushing for his 4th. If you wouldn't want that opportunity in both football and life than you must be proud of mediocre.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

No wonder you're one of the more negative types around here. You have very little character and it shows in how you think. :(


P.S., since you did your drive by "cheapshot" check out my previous posts....:doh:

[No_Pressure]

I never really get mad at people running up the score. I think it's classless to do, but it's part of sports and part of playing smart. Maybe the 1992 Oilers should have run up the score on the Bills, right?

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Now you're starting to sound like Gibbs. What if this? What if that? What if my defense can't hold? What if they get an onside kick? What if I fumble the handoff? Stop thinking/coaching scared. It's a simple kneel down, and if I'm the coach, I have faith in my coaching to take a simple kneel down. I just can't believe we're arguing the risk of a kneel down!

I am sounding like Gibbs? Do you have faith in your coaching to stop playing offense for the second half of games and let your Defense sit on the field for 20 minutes? :D

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

I never really get mad at people running up the score. I think it's classless to do, but it's part of sports and part of playing smart. Maybe the 1992 Oilers should have run up the score on the Bills, right?

That would have been completely unprofessional :rolleyes:

[Touchdown Redskins]

Dallas called a timeout to stop the clock and the 4th string running back ran up the gut for a score.

Wade did that to himself.

In any sport you try to demoralize the other team. Make them hang their heads make them remember that you gave them the ass whooping of their life. People remember these things and mentally it can play a part.

You damn right he wants the records. People play the game to be the best. When you do something just to be good at it instead of being the best your not giving it your all.

When you go to work do you try to be mediocre to good? Or do you try to be the best. You want your boss, and his boss to notice you. You want your company to say "He works his ass off and tries to accomplish the most possible".

Belichik is a **** and he's arrogant but he's also got 3 rings in 5 years and is pushing for his 4th. If you wouldn't want that opportunity in both football and life than you must be proud of mediocre.

As far as demoralizing an opponent goes, I'm surprised that Skins fans would support this notion. Trust me, when you're up two TDs with the game in hand, a ****-you TD at the end is just bulletin board fodder for the next time the teams meet. Take your two TD lead, and get out of there with a win.

As far as records go, I could care less if they get the scoring records or not. If you forgot, I'll remind you: wins are the only stat that matters in the NFL. Points mean nothing. The Baltimore Ravens won it all with no offense. The Minnesota Vikings didn't even get to the Superbowl with the most potent offense of all time. So your analogy is a bit flawed. Let's say I'm a salesman at my job. If I sell a unit, and you sell a unit, but you use streamers to make your sell and I just use a nice argument, then you've used more resources for the same outcome. The translation is this: by going for the TD, the Pats risked injury and made Dallas angry (which will give Dallas a boost next time they play), all for the same outcome.

[USS Redskins]

No such thing as running up a score in the Pro's. They are paid to win games by any means necessary. If a team doesnt want the other team to score, then they better stop them.

[Touchdown Redskins]

I am sounding like Gibbs? Do you have faith in your coaching to stop playing offense for the second half of games and let your Defense sit on the field for 20 minutes? :D

Well, that's an extreme case of this version, and unfortunately we use it. A 14 point lead with 30 minutes to play is much different than a 14 point lead with 1 minute to play.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Well, that's an extreme case of this version, and unfortunately we use it. A 14 point lead with 30 minutes to play is much different than a 14 point lead with 1 minute to play.

The main difference is just that the other team has 29 less minutes to work with. The game is not over until there is NO time left...

[Touchdown Redskins]

The main difference is just that the other team has 29 less minutes to work with. The game is not over until there is NO time left...

Yes, and that difference is huge. Do you really think that a kneel down is less effective means of winning the game than a run into the endzone in that situation?

[GoSkinsGo]

As far as demoralizing an opponent goes, I'm surprised that Skins fans would support this notion. Trust me, when you're up two TDs with the game in hand, a ****-you TD at the end is just bulletin board fodder for the next time the teams meet. Take your two TD lead, and get out of there with a win.

As far as records go, I could care less if they get the scoring records or not. If you forgot, I'll remind you: wins are the only stat that matters in the NFL. Points mean nothing. The Baltimore Ravens won it all with no offense. The Minnesota Vikings didn't even get to the Superbowl with the most potent offense of all time. So your analogy is a bit flawed. Let's say I'm a salesman at my job. If I sell a unit, and you sell a unit, but you use streamers to make your sell and I just use a nice argument, then you've used more resources for the same outcome. The translation is this: by going for the TD, the Pats risked injury and made Dallas angry (which will give Dallas a boost next time they play), all for the same outcome.
I understand where your coming from and in certain circumstances I agree with you.

I just personally don't agree with the running up the score notion. You have your opinion and I have mine. Neither of are going to change the others.

I still with the skins would steam roll people. It would make for a much more enjoyable second half.

[Inigo Montoya]

It's fine to put teams away, but when you have the game in hand with about a minute remaining, there's no need to score again. This is classless and incredibly arrogant. We have a problem putting teams away because we take our foot off the gas midway through the game. You can take your foot off the pedal when it's one minute to go, the other team has no timeouts, and you are up by 14 points. Believe me, as much as I loved to see Dallas get waxed, I was enraged to see such a classless and arrogant act.

I brought this up in another thread and no one seemed to understand what I was talking about. Running up the score to me means doing exactly what the Patriots did to Dallas, its unsportsmanlike and uncalled for. They were under the 2 minute warning and only needed to kneel down to end the game and continued trying to score. Thats one of a million reasons to hate that team and their coach.

[GoSkinsGo]

Yes, and that difference is huge. Do you really think that a kneel down is less effective means of winning the game than a run into the endzone in that situation?
Depends is Rudy in the game yet?

[Touchdown Redskins]

I understand where your coming from and in certain circumstances I agree with you.

I just personally don't agree with the running up the score notion. You have your opinion and I have mine. Neither of are going to change the others.

I still with the skins would steam roll people. It would make for a much more enjoyable second half.

I would love to see that, too, just in a classy manner. Here's to steamrolling the Pats :cheers:

[GoSkinsGo]

I brought this up in another thread and no one seemed to understand what I was talking about. Running up the score to me means doing exactly what the Patriots did to Dallas, its unsportsmanlike and uncalled for. They were under the 2 minute warning and only needed to kneel down to end the game and continued trying to score. Thats one of a million reasons to hate that team and their coach.
In that instance Phillips called a timeout to stop the clock.

The patriots ran Kyle Eckel up the middle. If Wade doesn't call the timeout they probably take a knee.

[Touchdown Redskins]

I brought this up in another thread and no one seemed to understand what I was talking about. Running up the score to me means doing exactly what the Patriots did to Dallas, its unsportsmanlike and uncalled for. They were under the 2 minute warning and only needed to kneel down to end the game and continued trying to score. Thats one of a million reasons to hate that team and their coach.

I totally agree. At that point I nearly felt sorry for the Pats opponent, until I realized it was Dallas. If it had been any other team aside from the Eagles, Giants, or Cowboys, I would have been pissed as all hell.

[Skins11]

How did such a stupid and trollish first post spawn this whole thread?

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Yes, and that difference is huge. Do you really think that a kneel down is less effective means of winning the game than a run into the endzone in that situation?

Yes, because on any play, a turnover can happen - at least scoring again makes it that much more impossible for the other team to come back.

I'm not saying that it is not possible to turn the ball over in an effort to score, but I'd rather have my coach go for the jugular.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Personally, when it comes down to it, I have no issue with teams running up the score, whether it's our Redskins or any other team. It's the job of the opposing defense to stop a team's offense, NOT the offensive team's coaches.

Of course if the defense feels the other team is doing so and doesn't want to deal with it, they have two options....

a. STOP the offense from scoring.

or

b. Take out (injure) some semi-important to important member of the offensive lineup, and prove to that team's coaches they don't want to continue playing that way.

[Touchdown Redskins]

Yes, because on any play, a turnover can happen - at least scoring again makes it that much more impossible for the other team to come back.

I'm not saying that it is not possible to turn the ball over in an effort to score, but I'd rather have my coach go for the jugular.

Well how about this: on a handoff or pass, the ball must exchange hands twice (center to QB, QB to RB/WR), whereas on a kneel down it only exchanges hands once. If the QB is going to fumble the snap, then he's going to fumble it regardless of the play call (kneel down, rushing attempt, or passing attempt) because the fumble happens on the first exchange of ball. Thus, by having a second exchange of the ball, you dramatically increase the chance you'll turnover the ball.

And you already went for the jugular, that's why you have a 14 point lead with one minute remaining. Going for another TD is being an ass.

[GoSkinsGo]

I would love to see that, too, just in a classy manner. Here's to steamrolling the Pats :cheers:
:cheers: How about in lieu of running up the score we just get JC to fire that pigskin into BB's nose. Right out of Varsity Blues?

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

Well how about this: on a handoff or pass, the ball must exchange hands twice (center to QB, QB to RB/WR), whereas on a kneel down it only exchanges hands once. If the QB is going to fumble the snap, then he's going to fumble it regardless of the play call (kneel down, rushing attempt, or passing attempt) because the fumble happens on the first exchange of ball. Thus, by having a second exchange of the ball, you dramatically increase the chance you'll turnover the ball.

And you already went for the jugular, that's why you have a 14 point lead with one minute remaining. Going for another TD is being an ass.

You are right on the playcalling - the probability of a mishandle or turnover is greater when trying for the score.

I just have always felt that playing all 60 minutes at full speed is the best option, and I am sick of seeing us lose leads :(

[Touchdown Redskins]

You are right on the playcalling - the probability of a mishandle or turnover is greater when trying for the score.

I just have always felt that playing all 60 minutes at full speed is the best option, and I am sick of seeing us lose leads :(

You and I both man. At least in this game there's a high probability that we won't have a lead to give up...

[scruffylookin]

b. Take out (injure) some semi-important to important member of the offensive lineup, and prove to that team's coaches they don't want to continue playing that way.


That's what I would do if I was coaching the Redskins.

I'd tell my defense to go target Brady and give him a nice hard late shot (not in the knees) to send a message. If you all really want to keep doing this, we will make it costly for you to do so.

That said, I also don't believe "running up" the score exists in the NFL. You're being paid to stop them. So stop them. If you can't you really have nothing to moan about.

[Rdskn4Lyf21]

You and I both man. At least in this game there's a high probability that we won't have a lead to give up...

Why not? ;)

[llcamino]

...I'll remind you: wins are the only stat that matters in the NFL. Points mean nothing.

Actually you're incorrect. And unfortunately it seems my fellow skins fans are completely missing the point. In the NFL's playoff tie-breaking system, "Best net points in all games" is the 6th tie-breaker. Who in their right mind could actually blame a coach for doing everything possible to ensure the best possible playoff situation for their team?

[patsfanken]

This entire, "running up the score" is a myth very much like the "cheating" issue. Its been created by haters and media pukes who have nothing better to do than create contraversy...and nothing sells better than contraversy. Let me take one at a time.

The entire "running up the score" think is BS. THe Pats were good enough to score 42 points on the Phins in the first half. They scored only 7 more in the second. And the only reason they scored those points were because the Dolphins had the temeritry to score 21 points with 12 minutes left in the game. That is exactly the opposite of running up the score. BTW solid pro like Taylor and Thomas didn't complain about any running up of the score, but some Jag named Liwinski whined to the media and the next thing you know they are headlining it on the NFLN and ESPN, completely IGNORING the Taylor and ZThomas comments.

Against Dallas, that last TD was Wade Phillips fault. He called the TO that would have left Dallas the ball with over 50 seconds on the clock. While it is highly unlikely that Dallas could have tied the game up, it was possible, and its the HC's job to eliminate even the 'unlikely' negative outcomes. BESIDES, the Pats with their 2nd string line and their FIFTH string RB, ran the ball up the middle 4 times from the 10 yd line for the score. You'd think an NFL quality defense could have stopped that???

As to Camera Gate. I think the NFL has done a disservice to the game and the league, by letting BB hung out to dry on this, with just a statement stating "no competitive advantage was garnered by the Patriots due to this taping."

Here are the facts, though I doubt many will truly read this with an open mind.

1. Trying to steal signs is NOT illegal in the NFL.

2. The taping of the signs was done so that in the off season BB could use the information to break down tendencies of various DC's in down and distance situations.

3 There is no way that these tapes could be used on the day of the game, or even later in the year for the following reasons

a. Most teams change their signals game to game. Most teams have more than one coach signallng in calls... only one is live.

b. Think about this logically. During the organized chaos of an NFL game, how the F**k is a team going to figure out WHICH coach is live, THEN figure out what the signals actually mean during the course of a game. There are only 25 seconds where the QBs' mike is open each play (its turn off the last 15) There is literally NO TIME for the OC to make a decision for his OWN play, and get it in, let alone figure out what the other team is signalling in on defense.

4. All the information BB got from the so called illegal tapes could be gotten by other LEGAL means, only a lot less efficiently. You could easily have a guy with binoculars doing the same thing.

5. This rule that BB broke has only been in existence for 2 years, so I don't understand why this would "taint" any of the 3 superbowls. Yet the media and haters seem to take particular pleasure in pounding out THIS myth.

6. What BB DID do was break a procedural rule on the limits of how far you can go in trying to steal other people's signals. BB disagreed that what he did was violating the spirit of the rule, which states you can't use tape to gain an immediate advantage. Since BB felt the information was being used in the off season, he didn't violate the rule. Goodel disagreed and it HIS ball.

I had no problem with the fines on BB and the Pats, however I think taking the draft pick was punitive, and part of the Commish's attempt to legislate parity on the league. Can you imagine how good this Pats team would be next year with TWO first round picks and 5 total in the first 3 rounds?

7. Personally I think BB has been fighting with the league about this rule for a couple of years and wanted it to come to a head. Why else would have a the person taping the signals wearing Pats gear and having Pats credentials, and then doing against the Jets who have several former Pats staffers who know about the taping from when they where with the Pats.

BB wanted this to happen, inorder to bring what he concidered an issue out into the open. HE knows that he isn't the only one using this practice. He knew that the rule was vague and undefined. However he vastly underestimated the NEGATIVE media coverage it would engender, and how the new commish would react.

So you can use the Belicheat label all you want, but the shoe doesn't fit, though it sure makes for good copy. :rolleyes:

[DR.LOOMIS]

I hope that after the game the media is talking about the devestating hits on Brady and the Pat WR's instead!

[joy83]

I totally agree. At that point I nearly felt sorry for the Pats opponent, until I realized it was Dallas. If it had been any other team aside from the Eagles, Giants, or Cowboys, I would have been pissed as all hell.

Don't worry mate, you will be pissed a lot this sunday, and don't think that its the patriots weak point to piss off people, its their strong point. They play their best when everybody is hating them or is pissed as hell. I am sure they have multiplied their haters by 7 times in the last 7 games.
So you being pissed at the Patriots makes you unhappy but the Pats happy. So don't get pissed and enjoy life.

About running up the score, these men play the game for ONLY 60 minutes and prepare for it for the last 7 days, so let them play the game as it is supposed to be, there is nothing called running up the score.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Since the last 3 teams the Patriots beat has accused them of running up the score. I wonder Redskins fans will say the same thing after the game.
Hi troll. First you have to win before you can be accused of that. The game hasn't been played yet. Congrats on getting all this attention you were so desperately seeking.

[Zazzaro703]

Whining about someone running up the score is just the ultimate loser talk. Teams have no obligation to sit on the ball if they are winning a game. If anything all it does is irritate the other team to play better the next time they play each other. I def see no problem in "running up the score." If you dont like it, stop them.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

where did this Patriots national fanbase come from? They sure weren't loaded with fans beyond the northeast just 7-8 years ago :laugh:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

As to Camera Gate blah blah blah...

7. Personally I think BB has been fighting with the league about this rule for a couple of years and wanted it to come to a head. Why else would have a the person taping the signals wearing Pats gear and having Pats credentials, and then doing against the Jets who have several former Pats staffers who know about the taping from when they where with the Pats.

BB wanted this to happen, inorder to bring what he concidered an issue out into the open. HE knows that he isn't the only one using this practice. He knew that the rule was vague and undefined. However he vastly underestimated the NEGATIVE media coverage it would engender, and how the new commish would react.

So you can use the Belicheat label all you want, but the shoe doesn't fit, though it sure makes for good copy. :rolleyes:

:laugh: :laugh: :rotflmao: :laugh: :laugh:

Thanks, I really needed that! Thanks for the clarification.

He wanted to get caught.

:doh: :laugh:

[BigDFan5]

In that instance Phillips called a timeout to stop the clock.

The patriots ran Kyle Eckel up the middle. If Wade doesn't call the timeout they probably take a knee.

Wade called a timeout right before the 2 min warning, and right after the 2 minute warning (1:48 left)

Then they ran 3 more plays including running on 4th and goal from the 1 with 23 seconds left in the game.

Dallas was not going to march 99 yards get a TD get an onside kick and score another TD in the next 20 seconds, just wasnt happening and the TO had nothing to do with it.

Contrast that with what other coaches do at the end of games that are in hand

[LifelongSkinsFan]

You demonstrate your lack of understanding of how the game works, plus some important Redskins history (you're too young). Every point scored matters, since it's an important tie breaker in making the playoffs. If you don't score every time you can, it can come back to bite you in the butt (see below). As has been said several times, the way to prevent a team from "running up the score" is to stop them from scoring; it's as simple as that.

Now to the Redskins history. It's thinking like yours that knocked us out of making the playoffs in 1979. Earlier that season, we were leading in a game (I forget the opponent). We got down in the red zone, but instead of kicking a FG, we knelt down to finish the game. Those 3 points kept us out of the playoffs due to tie breakers. We would've gotten in with a win over the pukes in the final game, but we still would've gotten in if we'd scored those 3 points.



Of course there is such a thing as running up the score in the NFL. Yes, there are miracle comebacks every now and then, but do you really think that's what Bellicheat is thinking? Come on, don't be naive. Bellicheat is sticking up the franchise's middle finger to the NFL this season, and he wants to blow teams out no matter what the score. Do you think they had to score with under 1:30 remaining in the Dallas game when they were up by 14 points and Dallas with no timeouts? No, they could have taken a knee.

The worst part about this is that the media conveniently overlooks this and the cheating scandal as if it's boys being boys. This is ridiculous. Some of you need to open your eyes at the blatant disregard of sportsmanship occuring before your very eyes.


It's fine to put teams away, but when you have the game in hand with about a minute remaining, there's no need to score again. This is classless and incredibly arrogant. We have a problem putting teams away because we take our foot off the gas midway through the game. You can take your foot off the pedal when it's one minute to go, the other team has no timeouts, and you are up by 14 points. Believe me, as much as I loved to see Dallas get waxed, I was enraged to see such a classless and arrogant act.


Yes, we would be 6-0 if we put our foot on the gas for literally one series in each of those two losses. The rest could still be run, run, pass 3 and outs, and we would have won the game. My meaning is that we could have given up about five or six series a game in those losses and still won. Granted, they would have been very close wins, but wins nonetheless. You do not have to score every series in order to win a game, nor do you have to act like a classless prick in order to win a game.

[Seabee1973]

Actually you're incorrect. And unfortunately it seems my fellow skins fans are completely missing the point. In the NFL's playoff tie-breaking system, "Best net points in all games" is the 6th tie-breaker. Who in their right mind could actually blame a coach for doing everything possible to ensure the best possible playoff situation for their team?


imagina 3 way tie for teh last playoff position at 9-7 and the skins losing out to 2 other teams because the skins didnt go fore the juggular.

[Warhead36]

I've got no problem whatsoever with teams running up the score, whether it's my team doing it or having it done on them.

If you can't stop them, why should they stop themselves?

[Humble Pie]

For those of you who said the PATS ran up the score on Dallas and BB was classless. Let me ask you this. If you don't want other team to score anymore should you try not to score on them yourself? If you look at this possession do the PATS have any choice but to run the ball?

Two-Minute Warning
1-9-DAL 9 (1:54) 38-K.Eckel right tackle to DAL 6 for 3 yards (96-M.Spears).
Timeout #3 by DAL at 01:48.
2-6-DAL 6 (1:43) 38-K.Eckel up the middle to DAL 5 for 1 yard (99-C.Canty).
3-5-DAL 5 (1:09) 38-K.Eckel left tackle to DAL 1 for 4 yards (31-R.Williams).
4-1-DAL 1 (:23) 38-K.Eckel right tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.

The PATS tried to run out the clock with their 4th string RB. If Dallas didn't call timeout then its all over. To me the classless one is Dallas not NE. JMO.

[BraveWarrior]

This entire, "running up the score" is a myth very much like the "cheating" issue. Its been created by haters and media pukes who have nothing better to do than create contraversy...and nothing sells better than contraversy. Let me take one at a time.

The entire "running up the score" think is BS. THe Pats were good enough to score 42 points on the Phins in the first half. They scored only 7 more in the second. And the only reason they scored those points were because the Dolphins had the temeritry to score 21 points with 12 minutes left in the game. That is exactly the opposite of running up the score. BTW solid pro like Taylor and Thomas didn't complain about any running up of the score, but some Jag named Liwinski whined to the media and the next thing you know they are headlining it on the NFLN and ESPN, completely IGNORING the Taylor and ZThomas comments.

Against Dallas, that last TD was Wade Phillips fault. He called the TO that would have left Dallas the ball with over 50 seconds on the clock. While it is highly unlikely that Dallas could have tied the game up, it was possible, and its the HC's job to eliminate even the 'unlikely' negative outcomes. BESIDES, the Pats with their 2nd string line and their FIFTH string RB, ran the ball up the middle 4 times from the 10 yd line for the score. You'd think an NFL quality defense could have stopped that???

As to Camera Gate. I think the NFL has done a disservice to the game and the league, by letting BB hung out to dry on this, with just a statement stating "no competitive advantage was garnered by the Patriots due to this taping."

Here are the facts, though I doubt many will truly read this with an open mind.

1. Trying to steal signs is NOT illegal in the NFL.

2. The taping of the signs was done so that in the off season BB could use the information to break down tendencies of various DC's in down and distance situations.

3 There is no way that these tapes could be used on the day of the game, or even later in the year for the following reasons

a. Most teams change their signals game to game. Most teams have more than one coach signallng in calls... only one is live.

b. Think about this logically. During the organized chaos of an NFL game, how the F**k is a team going to figure out WHICH coach is live, THEN figure out what the signals actually mean during the course of a game. There are only 25 seconds where the QBs' mike is open each play (its turn off the last 15) There is literally NO TIME for the OC to make a decision for his OWN play, and get it in, let alone figure out what the other team is signalling in on defense.

4. All the information BB got from the so called illegal tapes could be gotten by other LEGAL means, only a lot less efficiently. You could easily have a guy with binoculars doing the same thing.

5. This rule that BB broke has only been in existence for 2 years, so I don't understand why this would "taint" any of the 3 superbowls. Yet the media and haters seem to take particular pleasure in pounding out THIS myth.

6. What BB DID do was break a procedural rule on the limits of how far you can go in trying to steal other people's signals. BB disagreed that what he did was violating the spirit of the rule, which states you can't use tape to gain an immediate advantage. Since BB felt the information was being used in the off season, he didn't violate the rule. Goodel disagreed and it HIS ball.

I had no problem with the fines on BB and the Pats, however I think taking the draft pick was punitive, and part of the Commish's attempt to legislate parity on the league. Can you imagine how good this Pats team would be next year with TWO first round picks and 5 total in the first 3 rounds?

7. Personally I think BB has been fighting with the league about this rule for a couple of years and wanted it to come to a head. Why else would have a the person taping the signals wearing Pats gear and having Pats credentials, and then doing against the Jets who have several former Pats staffers who know about the taping from when they where with the Pats.

BB wanted this to happen, inorder to bring what he concidered an issue out into the open. HE knows that he isn't the only one using this practice. He knew that the rule was vague and undefined. However he vastly underestimated the NEGATIVE media coverage it would engender, and how the new commish would react.

So you can use the Belicheat label all you want, but the shoe doesn't fit, though it sure makes for good copy. :rolleyes:
Bill Simmons, is that you? :rolleyes:

[Peregrine]

Wow, did a Patriots fan seriously just come onto this board to brag about other teams whining about running up the score, to try and get a rise? Can you say, troll?

I believe my opinion is in the majority with Redskins fans. My opinion is, if you dont want another team to run up the score on you, DONT LET THEM SCORE. This is the NFL, if you cant stop the other team, the rest of the world deserves to know just how bad you are.

[TK]

if you dont want another team to run up the score on you, DONT LET THEM SCORE.
And if you don't want to feed the troll, you don't respond to it's post.