Aren't we as guilty as the Colts?

[cadets08]

So I read on yahoo about the Pats accusing the Colts of pumping in crowd noise during their games. First I must confess I did not know this was against the rules. However, I have been going to Redskins games for 10 years now, and I swear we do the same thing. Down in section 102 I can definitely hear a distinct crowd noise that is coming through the speakers. It's almost as if microphones pick up the live noise and re-broadcast it louder.

Has anyone else noticed this?

[DCsportsfan53]

Yes, we do.

[Craig]

Yep, we do...I've heard it. Kind of pathetic.

[sableholic]

Actually the story turned out to be false.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903

The NFL says no artificial crowd noise was pumped into the RCA Dome on Sunday during the New England-Indianapolis game, despite claims otherwise by Patriots team president Jonathan Kraft.

"CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts telecast was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday. "It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium."

[Popeman38]

So I read on yahoo about the Pats accusing the Colts of pumping in crowd noise during their games. First I must confess I did not know this was against the rules. However, I have been going to Redskins games for 10 years now, and I swear we do the same thing. Down in section 102 I can definitely hear a distinct crowd noise that is coming through the speakers. It's almost as if microphones pick up the live noise and re-broadcast it louder.

Has anyone else noticed this?The Colts have many teams file complaints on them pumping in the crowd noise. Yesterday, it was ROCKING in the RCA dome (pun intended), and then the crowd noise started skipping, they killed it, and it was deathly quiet. Indy has for years had issues with their fans making noise. I don't know why. Every team finds a way to inject some noise into the game, EVERY TEAM. The Colts, this is the only way they have any noise, as evidenced by the recording where it gets quiet. FedEx, against Philly/Dallas, needs no soundtrack.

[dwbiggs]

We must pump in crowd noise...whenever I watch a game at FEDEX half the stadium looks empty all the time.

[Buford]

For the Pats to accuse any team of cheating is pretty funny. They got caught for the video taping. Who knows what else they have going on?

[cadets08]

We must pump in crowd noise...whenever I watch a game at FEDEX half the stadium looks empty all the time.

It's not empty, it's just most people frequent the bar at the endzone.

[Dondrae474]

Enough already.

[pierce51]

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[One Shot]

whenever I watch a game at FEDEX half the stadium looks empty all the time.

Why have I heard that so many times. If it's true, that's ****ing terrible.....12th man = ****?


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How many times you gonna post that?

[Xero21]

It was weird, if you watch the video on YouTube, it really sounds like the CD of fake crowd noise they had playing started to skip.

So it sounded like the crowd was going "wawawawawawa"

[youngestson]

So I read on yahoo about the Pats accusing the Colts of pumping in crowd noise during their games. First I must confess I did not know this was against the rules. However, I have been going to Redskins games for 10 years now, and I swear we do the same thing. Down in section 102 I can definitely hear a distinct crowd noise that is coming through the speakers. It's almost as if microphones pick up the live noise and re-broadcast it louder.

Has anyone else noticed this?

I don't approve of the practice regardless of who is doing it. Not that what I like amounts to a whole lot.

[Sinclair]

from experience, the place is just loud...and nuts!

[Slacky McSlackAss]

How many times you gonna post that?
Somebody is desparate to get there post count up.

[redskinss]

Somebody is desparate to get there post count up.

at first i was thinking the same thing but he has been on the board for two years with 45 posts so if that was the case you would think his post count would be higher by now.

[STBonecrusher21]

The Pats are just looking for an excuse as to why they didn't blow the Colts out.

[ddub52]

[QUOTE=sableholic]Actually the story turned out to be false.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903

The NFL says no artificial crowd noise was pumped into the RCA Dome on Sunday during the New England-Indianapolis game, despite claims otherwise by Patriots team president Jonathan Kraft.
QUOTE]
Kind of ironic that the Patriots team president was implying someone else was cheating

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

I swear we do not have fake crowd noise...I go to games all the time, I have sat right next to speakers...remember there is 90k+ at a Skins game, no need for speakers...even if the seats look empty there is still 80k there...

[Dance04]

hasn't seattle been accused of this also? Sadly, i wouldnt be surprised if this was practiced by many NFL teams

[bootzilla]

Who Really cares

[fuji869]

To be honest I think almost every NFL Stadium does it. I remember when I was in Arizona in 2005 the stadium was about 65-70% Redskins Fans but there seemed to be a lot more crowd noise when the Redskins were on Offense.

:whoknows:

[MF Doom]

I was at the colts-pats game and didn't hear anything funny.

[crank]

Most stadiums are designed with poor acustics to echo the sound around. You can tell in the 3rd quarter that the crowd is not into the game. I did not miss a home game for several years and have never heard noise coming from speakers.

[congo4269]

I swear we do not have fake crowd noise...I go to games all the time, I have sat right next to speakers...remember there is 90k+ at a Skins game, no need for speakers...even if the seats look empty there is still 80k there...

I am 100% sure that we pump in crowd noise, at least since the Giants game this year. Maybe it's not from every speaker, but at the Giants game the speaker right next to where I was sitting was definately pumping in noise. As soon as Eli got under center it would start, and then abruptly stop right when he released the ball. It was actually very annoying, and as a proud 12th man, I took it as an insult. A lot of good it did us that day anyways...

[JustAfan47]

Isn’t this like unspoken rule of the game?...I thought that every one in the league pipe’s in noise during there game’s..just nobody really talk’s about it..

[Buford]

[QUOTE=sableholic]Actually the story turned out to be false.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903

The NFL says no artificial crowd noise was pumped into the RCA Dome on Sunday during the New England-Indianapolis game, despite claims otherwise by Patriots team president Jonathan Kraft.
QUOTE]
Kind of ironic that the Patriots team president was implying someone else was cheating


Mr. Kraft noticed the fake crowd noise while New England team spies were setting up mics on the Colts sideline in hopes of recording private conversations.

;)

[JustAfan47]

[QUOTE=ddub52]


Mr. Kraft noticed the fake crowd noise while New England team spies were setting up mics on the Colts sideline in hopes of recording private conversations.

;)

hahahahaha....:applause: :applause: :cheers:

[greenspandan]

I swear we do not have fake crowd noise...I go to games all the time, I have sat right next to speakers...remember there is 90k+ at a Skins game, no need for speakers...even if the seats look empty there is still 80k there...

my family had season tickets since the day Jack Kent Cooke Stadium opened - ten years. i went to nearly every home game over that span. we sat in the Club Level, section 340, directly under a speaker. i saw many posts on this and other forums about crowd noise being pumped in, and i denied it, saying i'd never heard it. then, last season, during i forget which game, i suddenly heard it clear as day coming DIRECTLY from the speaker. it was fake, canned, or piped in crowd noise coming from these speakers. it would fade in when the other team approached the ball to line up on offense. it would click out as soon as the play started. it was NOT coming from the seats above me, it was NOT an echo. it was clearly coming directly from the speaker. my brother heard it too.

this realization made me sad and angry. i have been a loyal fan screaming my guts out for ten years, but the people at FedEx have to cheat, have to cheapen the experience, have to make it fake. i tell you, it was hard to cheer after that. why bother to make noise, if they're just going to fake it for us? i'm sorry but i'm still pissed about it.

we got rid of our season tickets. might as well just watch from home, since we're obviously not needed at the game.

[P007]

Actually the story turned out to be false.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3095903

The NFL says no artificial crowd noise was pumped into the RCA Dome on Sunday during the New England-Indianapolis game, despite claims otherwise by Patriots team president Jonathan Kraft.

"CBS has informed us that the unusual audio moment heard by fans during the Patriots-Colts telecast was the result of tape feedback in the CBS production truck and was isolated to the CBS broadcast," NFL spokesman Greg Aiello said Monday. "It was in no way related to any sound within the stadium and could not be heard in the stadium."

How ironic the team that gets caught cheating tries to accuse their arch rival of cheating, pretty damn lame if you ask me.

[JaimeDeCurry]

How ironic the team that gets caught cheating tries to accuse their arch rival of cheating, pretty damn lame if you ask me.

Kraft: But Goooddeeeelllll.....they're doing it tooooooo....

[nebster21]

wow so many cowboy fans coming in here to try and get the redskins in trouble. It is kind of pathetic. What is even worse is that some Redskins fans believe this. Do you really think we are pumping in noise and it could not be a glitch in the software to cancel out the crowd noise. WOW.

[Skins n' Bones]

It is naive to think that ALL of the teams in the NFL do not do this.....but probably to get around it, they they say it is not artificial crowd noise.
I think of it like this: They put mics in the loudest parts of the stadium, leave 'em on and turn it up at the appropriate time. So it is real crowd noise "bleeding over" into the PA system.

The only times I've really noticed it were last year when we weren't doing well and people weren't showing up....or weren't as into it even if they were there. I haven't heard it this year at all.

I too complain about how a lot of the time it appears that there are a lot of empty seats. But, consider the fact that since FedEx is so big, 2/3 full is still 60,000 people, which is just as many as some stadiums' capacity.

[greenspandan]

wow so many cowboy fans coming in here to try and get the redskins in trouble. It is kind of pathetic. What is even worse is that some Redskins fans believe this. Do you really think we are pumping in noise and it could not be a glitch in the software to cancel out the crowd noise. WOW.

uhhh YES i think the redskins do this because i heard it first-hand, as did my brother. it was completely different from anything else we've ever heard in our ten years of going to every game and sitting in the same seats. FedEx was clearly and blatantly pumping in crowd noise over the loudspeakers. it was 100% clear, there could be no question in either of our minds. our seats were right under the speaker.

[drums and skins]

I've heard it once, but I think it was more like the marching band's Mic's being left on.

[Hemlock]

Geez, some of you guys need a lesson in how a microphone works. Here goes:

A microphone (there are tons of them all over on gameday) picks up sound waves and by one of several methods, depending on when they were made, pass that signal by electromagnetism or capacitance to a recording medium, or in the case of Fedex, gigantic freakin' speakers for all to enjoy.

The mics in the booths, and especially the ones on the field pick up the crowd noise (since it tends to be pretty loud) and passes it back over the loudspeaker system.

You might be in a part of the stadium where not everyone is yelling, but the microphones feeding the system may be where there is lots of noise and some of that gets through to where you can hear it in the stands. See those guys with the mics attached to parabolic discs? Yeah, those pick up whatever the guy holding it is pointing at. If he lets that thing tip up even a little bit you get all the noise from the crowd section he points it at.

Ok, bottom line, if 90k thousand folks are yelling, some of it will find its way into a mic somewhere and get amplified.

There we go... so let's all relax about this and focus on Philly :)

[greenspandan]

hemlock, i am a professional musician, i have spent a LOT of time in studios and working with sound equipment, and what you typed is utter nonsense.

if what you're describing were the case, we'd be hearing a constant stream of background chatter and random noise coming over those speakers for the entirety of the game. but we don't. they are stone cold silent (when they're not blaring papa johns or popeyes commercials). what my brother and i heard was NOT an incidental mic left on. it was FADED IN when the other team approached the ball to line up on offense, and abruptly CUT at the snap of the football.

in addition, it was carefully engineered diffuse crowd noise. if it were just a live mic, the mic would be picking up a small number of voices distinctly (those that were closest to the mic) with a lot of background noise mixed in. no, the noise coming over the speakers was a diffuse crowd noise that you would have to engineer with careful mic placement and probably multiple microphones to acheive. it's designed to just blend in with the natural crowd noise (noise is cumulative, so adding a small sound to another small sound equals a larger sound, for example), but if you are near a speaker, you can tell exactly where it's coming from.

i concede it could certainly be as simple as the announcer merely pushing the "talk" button on his mic, fading that in, and letting the crowd noise filter through it while he remains silent leading up to the play.

it also could be a CD of crowd noise, or live mics throughout the stadium that he fades in. who knows.

in any case it is planned and intentional on someone's part, and it is lousy un-gibbslike conduct and degrading to the fans in the stadium.

[KDawg]

I think it's hilarious that the Patriots are accusing anyone of cheating. That's like them saying their fed-up with Barry Bonds and his cheating ways. Bottom line is, The Patriots ARE cheaters, and they cheated for years.

Shut your mouths.

[Larry Gude]

So I read on yahoo about the Pats accusing the Colts of pumping in crowd noise during their games. First I must confess I did not know this was against the rules. However, I have been going to Redskins games for 10 years now, and I swear we do the same thing. Down in section 102 I can definitely hear a distinct crowd noise that is coming through the speakers. It's almost as if microphones pick up the live noise and re-broadcast it louder.

Has anyone else noticed this?

One more reason I stopped going to the stadium. It's a marketers phantasmagoria, not a football game anymore.

[BuryYourDuke]

Hey, I've never seen a thread about this before...

[zskins]

in any case it is planned and intentional on someone's part, and it is lousy un-gibbslike conduct and degrading to the fans in the stadium.

Only in this country - guilty until proven innocent. I like to know how you even start to implicate Gibbs on this.:doh: I am sure the so called phantom noise was probably there before he even came back.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Hey, I've never seen a thread about this before...
Those were artificial threads, piped in by the mods to make it look like we're actually talking about something. ;)


Do you really think we are pumping in noise and it could not be a glitch in the software to cancel out the crowd noise. WOW.
WTF? Do you mean some kind of glitch in the matrix that can produce a sound which eliminates other sounds? If so, put me down for 2, one for each of my kids. :laugh:




in any case it is planned and intentional on someone's part, and it is lousy un-gibbslike conduct and degrading to the fans in the stadium.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I feel degraded, used, and cheap. :(

:silly:

[greenspandan]

Only in this country - guilty until proven innocent. I like to know how you even start to implicate Gibbs on this.:doh: I am sure the so called phantom noise was probably there before he even came back.

i didn't blame gibbs! i just said it was un-gibbslike, suggesting he's a good moral compass, and before people cheat, they should ask themselves "would gibbs do this?"

[panel]

Yes, we do.
I don't think we do, I think it is an acoustical effect that is caused from sound bouncing around the stadium, sort of like when the band plays after a TD and it sounds messed up from the opposite side of the field.

[greenspandan]

I don't think we do, I think it is an acoustical effect that is caused from sound bouncing around the stadium, sort of like when the band plays after a TD and it sounds messed up from the opposite side of the field.

i used to think that too :/

[SkinsFan48]

I sure hope we dont.

[Hemlock]

Well, I won't go comparing pedigrees. I will say that my opinion is backed up by facts and no offense, more recording experience than you have.. unless you got it in utero.

[Destino]

Well, I won't go comparing pedigrees. I will say that my opinion is backed up by facts and no offense, more recording experience than you have.. unless you got it in utero.
That's nice but what he says remains true. Whatever mic that you think is simply picking up crowd noise would be picking up the noises close to it as well. If it were in the booth then you'd hear the people in the booth. The people up there do not sit with an open mic.

I've been to the game and they definately are pumping crowd noise. It's not even a secret search these forums and you'll find it mentioned often.

All the experience in the world doesn't change the fact that when you don't want to transmit you simply don't. No one sits around with an open mic when they speak as infrequently as the booth at the stadium. Don't confuse them with play by play guys.

[Hemlock]

Ok this is getting boring... from time to time you will get what amounts to feedback of crowd noise. Obviously if what you are hearing is all the time it is either:


A. Someone (like those swell guys with the parabolic mics) is amplifying crowd noise all the time... or


B. You get occasional crowd noise from another mic.

OR

C. THEY REALLY ARE PIPING FAKE CROWD NOISE.


Take your pick... recording stuff in a studio does NOT equal listening to stuff in a stadium.

[Boss_Hogg]

It's not empty, it's just most people frequent the bar at the endzone.

Don't forget the line at Johnny Rockets