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tr1
November-8th-2007, 05:07 AM
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2007/11/08/2007-11-08_giants_defense_much_improved_since_dalla-2-1.html
BY RALPH VACCHIANO

The Giants left Dallas two months ago with the worst defense in the NFL, and one that was just beginning its short, downward spiral. When the Cowboys study film of that opening-night game, they will recall how easy it was to beat them.

But when they see the Giants again this Sunday, they may be in for quite a surprise.

"I think so," Giants safety Gibril Wilson said yesterday. "I think they're definitely going to know that we have gotten better."

Added defensive end Justin Tuck: "We're going to throw those first games out because that wasn't the defense that we are now."

That same Giants defense that the Cowboys torched for 45 points and 438 yards in a 45-35 loss on Sept.9 is ranked seventh in the NFL and second in the NFC. After giving up 345 passing yards to Cowboys quarterback Tony Romo, the Giants have allowed fewer than 200 yards to five of the last six quarterbacks they have faced.

And perhaps most importantly as the Giants (6-2) head into their huge NFC East showdown with the Cowboys (7-1) at Giants Stadium, the pass rush that sacked Romo once on opening night has produced 28 sacks in the last six games.

"I'm sure everybody in this locker room will tell you we're a better defense than how we played in those first two games," Tuck said, referring to the Dallas game and the Giants' Week 2 defeat in which they allowed Brett Favre to pass for 286 yards and three touchdowns. "But it means nothing if we don't go out there and do it this Sunday. It's a tremendous opportunity for this defense to see exactly where we're at."

It is a tremendous challenge, too, because the Cowboys' offense appears to be just as good as it was two months ago. It is ranked second in the NFL, just behind the powerful New England Patriots. Romo is also the NFC's top-rated passer and the Cowboys are averaging 33.1 points per game.

Back on opening night, the Giants saw firsthand how good the Cowboys are. They barely got near Romo with their pass rush (Tuck had the lone sack) which gave his receivers time to run free against a battered Giants' secondary. Romo ended up throwing for those 345 yards and four touchdowns on just 15-of-24 passing - an astounding average of 23 yards per completed pass.

Of course, things were much different for the Giants that night. Michael Strahan was still shaking the sand out of his shoes from the 39 days he spent in California during his training-camp holdout. Osi Umenyiora went down in the first quarter with an injured left knee. Sam Madison was nursing a hamstring injury, and rookie Aaron Ross had yet to emerge, meaning R.W. McQuarters and Corey Webster were the Giants' starting cornerbacks. And Mathias Kiwanuka, in his first game as a linebacker, looked absolutely lost.

"We've got everybody back now," Tuck said. "Guys have been playing this defense for eight weeks, and even more than that practicing it."

"We're a lot better," added linebacker Kawika Mitchell. "We've made a lot of improvements, and we're still making them. We're comfortable with our package a little bit more, and when you're more comfortable you're more aggressive. Hopefully we can attack a little more."

That, the Giants believe, will be the key to their success. "You definitely have to have some pressure on the quarterback," Tom Coughlin said. "That's where it starts."

Of course, that's easier said than done against an offensive line that has given up only 11 sacks all year. But the Giants are more confident they will be able to do that this time around. Not only have they averaged 4.7 sacks per game during their six-game winning streak, but they have also given up an average of only 253.8 total yards. And since opening night, no opposing quarterback has even approached Romo's numbers against the Giants. In fact, the best performance of the last six weeks was by the since-benched Chad Pennington, and he only completed 21 of 36 passes for 229 yards.

"It took us a little bit, as everyone has stated, but we got to the point where we gained a little bit of confidence, we kind of settled in and we're playing a little bit better (on defense)," Coughlin said. "But obviously this will be a test."

Ozzu
November-8th-2007, 05:18 AM
I wonder if they're going to maintain their lanes and keep Romo in the pocket or if they're just going to pin their ears back. If they pin their ears back, I like our chances with Romo getting out of the pocket. If not, I wonder just how much pressure they're going to get.

It's going to be a good one.

Thinking Skins
November-8th-2007, 03:56 PM
I had visions of our defense being talked about like that this year. But alas, it was just a dream.

DGreenistheBest
November-8th-2007, 04:03 PM
I think the Giants need to pressure the crap out of Romo. Let him make some throws early, Eli can bail them out of a couple of scores, but that pressure will pay off by the second half. I just don't see Romo being able to play quality ball with Osi and Strahan on his back on a consistent basis. If they can get in his head early, he'll start generating mistakes. Or maybe he'll do just like Aikman used to and limp off the field pretending he's hurt cause he's a big *****.

THEHEREAFTER
November-8th-2007, 06:23 PM
I think it's fair to say that Dallas has improved as well 8 games into a new system with their best cover corner, 2nd best pass rusher a more experienced Jay Ratliff at nose and a deeper defensive line rotation (Tank) added for the second match up.

CowboysSaintsFan
November-8th-2007, 06:57 PM
Well, if we lose, it's not the end of the world. At least we took care of business in Philly to top off this tough stretch.

If anything-as much as I hate to admit it, the mentality of this Giants' team is just far different from what it was the previous 3 years under Coughlin. Was watching ESPNews and they talked briefly with Strahan, Tuck, and Pierce, and you could tell they looked very focused and determined(instead of cocky like they were in the previous 3 years). They need this game alot more than we do.:2cents:

BigDaddy65
November-9th-2007, 03:38 AM
The Giants are really improved since week #1, especially on defense,, and that is not opinion but I guess is a common point.
But look at this. Of their 30 sacks 18 came in two games (12 against the Eagles and 6 against the 49ers). Leaving 12 sacks over the remaining 6 games when they have got 4 more against Atlanta. That said we have 73% of their total sacks has to be accounted to almost one third only of their games.
After watching the Pukes OL last Sunday, I'm not so sold that pressuring Romo will be an easy task for the Gmens. Fortunately, they have had 2 weeks to prepare something special for next Sunday...

CowboysSaintsFan
November-9th-2007, 03:43 AM
The Giants are really improved since week #1, especially on defense,, and that is not opinion but I guess is a common point.
But look at this. Of their 30 sacks 18 came in two games (12 against the Eagles and 6 against the 49ers). Leaving 12 sacks over the remaining 6 games when they have got 4 more against Atlanta. That said we have 73% of their total sacks has to be accounted to almost one third only of their games.
After watching the Pukes OL last Sunday, I'm not so sold that pressuring Romo will be an easy task for the Gmens. Fortunately, they have had 2 weeks to prepare something special for next Sunday...

One thing's for certain though-Steve Spagnuola is doing what Tim Lewis didn't do-MAXIMIZING the STRENGTHS of the personnel.

And besides-a sack can be an over-rated statistic-you also have to look at the number of QB pressures and how much they do it consistently et al. Look at the Saints' DE Charles Grant-he gets very few sacks, but he's nonetheless Top 10 in the league in QB pressures. Shawn Merriman, OTOH, gets mostly sacks, and nothing else.:2cents:

barens2
November-9th-2007, 08:22 AM
Although it is true, I hate hearing our players talk about how much we're improved over the first game. I don't want to add any fuel to Dallas' offense, because htat's something they're probably hearing all week long.

And while our defense looks better, our offense may not be as strong this time around for a few reasons...Steve Smith looks like he won't play, and while that looks minor, he was contributing a heck of a lot more than Sinorice Moss, Derrick Ward may sit out, Plaxico Burress is still playing on a bum ankle and he's not practing much, and Dallas has Terrence Newman back.

As a Giant fan, the one thing I think we want to see more than anything(except for a win), is a big game from Eli Manning. All of this Romo hoolpa is getting under my crawl.

Terence Newman 41
November-9th-2007, 08:37 AM
Guess what media ... the Dallas defense improved as well.

flashback
November-9th-2007, 08:40 AM
I can't help but notice that they're defense stunk when they were playing the Cowboys (#2) and the Packers (#5). They're defense has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 6 games against the Redskins (#20), the Eagles (#9), the Jets (#28), the Falcons (#27), the 49ers (#32), and the Dolphins (#18). The only decent team in there is the Eagles, and I don't think its a coincidence that that was Winston Justice's one and only start.

If the Giants had played the Cowboys in week 1 and given up 478 yards and 45 points, and then played the Packers in, say, week 6 and given up 368 yards and 35 points, would we be talking about how much their defense has improved? Or would we be talking about how their defense gets run out of the stadium against teams with good offenses?

Terence Newman 41
November-9th-2007, 08:48 AM
I can't help but notice that they're defense stunk when they were playing the Cowboys (#2) and the Packers (#5). They're defense has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 6 games against the Redskins (#20), the Eagles (#9), the Jets (#28), the Falcons (#27), the 49ers (#32), and the Dolphins (#18). The only decent team in there is the Eagles, and I don't think its a coincidence that that was Winston Justice's one and only start.

If the Giants had played the Cowboys in week 1 and given up 478 yards and 45 points, and then played the Packers in, say, week 6 and given up 368 yards and 35 points, would we be talking about how much their defense has improved? Or would we be talking about how their defense gets run out of the stadium against teams with good offenses?

i made a similar post on my cowboys board.

the last time new york played a team with atleast 3 wins? Week 4 against Philly.

barens2
November-9th-2007, 09:03 AM
I can't help but notice that they're defense stunk when they were playing the Cowboys (#2) and the Packers (#5). They're defense has improved by leaps and bounds in the last 6 games against the Redskins (#20), the Eagles (#9), the Jets (#28), the Falcons (#27), the 49ers (#32), and the Dolphins (#18). The only decent team in there is the Eagles, and I don't think its a coincidence that that was Winston Justice's one and only start.

If the Giants had played the Cowboys in week 1 and given up 478 yards and 45 points, and then played the Packers in, say, week 6 and given up 368 yards and 35 points, would we be talking about how much their defense has improved? Or would we be talking about how their defense gets run out of the stadium against teams with good offenses?

Well,as much as I hate hearing our players talk about it, it's very true...this is a completely different defense. Osi Umenyoria left the Dallas game with a sprained knee on Dallas' first drive, Strahan looked downright awful the first 3 or 4 games of the year because he missed all of training camp, Corey Webster and RW Mquarters were our starting CB's. I'm not going to give an excuse to our LB's because really, there isn't any. Witten and Barber just outplayed our LB's plain and simple and have to do a better job this time around.

But there are 2 huge differences between now and then, Osi Umenyoria, and Aaron Ross starting over Corey Webster.

flashback
November-9th-2007, 09:49 AM
Well,as much as I hate hearing our players talk about it, it's very true...this is a completely different defense. Osi Umenyoria left the Dallas game with a sprained knee on Dallas' first drive, Strahan looked downright awful the first 3 or 4 games of the year because he missed all of training camp, Corey Webster and RW Mquarters were our starting CB's. I'm not going to give an excuse to our LB's because really, there isn't any. Witten and Barber just outplayed our LB's plain and simple and have to do a better job this time around.

But there are 2 huge differences between now and then, Osi Umenyoria, and Aaron Ross starting over Corey Webster.

Good post, b2.

The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle. They aren't as bad as they looked against the Cowboys and Packers, and they aren't as good as they've looked against the Jets, 9ers, Falcons and Fish.

This ought to be a really good game.

CowboysSaintsFan
November-9th-2007, 10:34 AM
Good post, b2.

The truth, as usual, lies somewhere in the middle. They aren't as bad as they looked against the Cowboys and Packers, and they aren't as good as they've looked against the Jets, 9ers, Falcons and Fish.

This ought to be a really good game.

Remember the Great Tuna once said "You are what you're record is".

Sure-the Giants may have played cupcake opponents since wk2, but they ARE playing with a swagger, which, to me, is pretty scary. And say all you want how the Giants played pee-pee opponents, it IS a fact that OC's(from Carl Smith all the way up to Tom Moore and Josh McDaniels) give ALOT of respect to Osi, Tuck, Strahan, Kiwi, and now yes, Aaron Ross.

And here's what Wade Phillips said-"They have alot of guys who can rush the passer well". Doesn't this say ALOT?

Heck-for that matter, has Indy played anyone? They lost to NE, and the only decent team they beat was Jax(and their starting QB went down), and TN(despite NO WR threat, they ended up rushing for 200+ yards).:2cents:

CowboysSaintsFan
November-9th-2007, 10:35 AM
Although it is true, I hate hearing our players talk about how much we're improved over the first game. I don't want to add any fuel to Dallas' offense, because htat's something they're probably hearing all week long.

And while our defense looks better, our offense may not be as strong this time around for a few reasons...Steve Smith looks like he won't play, and while that looks minor, he was contributing a heck of a lot more than Sinorice Moss, Derrick Ward may sit out, Plaxico Burress is still playing on a bum ankle and he's not practing much, and Dallas has Terrence Newman back.

As a Giant fan, the one thing I think we want to see more than anything(except for a win), is a big game from Eli Manning. All of this Romo hoolpa is getting under my crawl.

Here's the upside though-your team is FAR healthier than it's ever been.

For that matter too-good teams overcome injuries well. Last year-Indy's injury report was a MILE long every week, and you saw what happened.:2cents:

barens2
November-9th-2007, 02:20 PM
Here's the upside though-your team is FAR healthier than it's ever been.

For that matter too-good teams overcome injuries well. Last year-Indy's injury report was a MILE long every week, and you saw what happened.:2cents:

Yeah, they had the worst run defense in the league. Luckily for them, their star players got better in time for the playoffs. Either way, we are not the Colts.

We are healthy, so there should be no excuses. I gotta say, though, the one guy I fear on Dallas is Leonard Davis. He has been a beast in every game that I've seen.

SoCalSkins
November-9th-2007, 02:24 PM
This is the second time the pukes can win a game against a team with a winning record at the time they played, they failed the first time. I think they will fail again this week and next week.