Where does JC rank among NFC East Quarterbacks so far this season?

[taylorcoreskin]

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3Tony Romo (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyromo/profile?id=ROM787981) DAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/profile?team=DAL) QB 212 324 65.4 32.4 2,848 8.8 284.8 27 12 142 43.8 59T 41 8 13 105.6

10Donovan McNabb (http://www.nfl.com/players/donovanmcnabb/profile?id=MCN017517) PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) QB 195 326 59.8 32.6 2,329 7.1 232.9 13 6 104 31.9 75T 24 9 30 87.3

13Eli Manning (http://www.nfl.com/players/elimanning/profile?id=MAN473170) NYG (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) QB 196 322 60.9 32.2 2,103 6.5 210.3 15 11 98 30.4 60T 22 4 15 81.3


14Jason Campbell (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasoncampbell/profile?id=CAM375235) WAS (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS) QB 189 315 60.0 31.5 2,083 6.6 208.3 11 8 114 36.2 54 23 4 15 80.7
In my opinion, he's tied with Eli Manning for worst QB in the division. Both have a god awful average, and teams with a favorable yards per pass attempt differential tend to win many more games than those that don't.

[SoCalSkins]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.

[KDawg]

To make it a bit easier to follow:

Completion Percentage:
1. Tony Romo
2. Donovon McNabb
3. Jason Campbell
4. Eli Manning

Yards:
1. Tony Romo
2. Donovon McNabb
3. Eli Manning
4. Jason Campbell

Touchdowns:
1. Tony Romo
2. Donovon McNabb
3. Eli Manning
4. Jason Campbell

Interceptions:
1. Donovon McNabb
2. Jason Campbell
3. Eli Manning/Tony Romo

Rating:
1. Tony Romo
2. Donovon McNabb
3. Jason Campbell
4. Eli Manning

[ttr77]

Isn't the team in 7th place in the standings? I'd put him 7th.

I thought that's what mattered.

[DariusCyrus]

i think that, based on our offensive philosophy and how many times we throw the ball deep/intermediate... JC is doing good...

also, look at the passing attempts.. JC has the lowest passing attempts of all the QBs in the NFC east..

if we let JC play like we let him play against the Eagles, then his #s will look a lot better..

so i wouldn't say JC and Eli are tied worst in the NCF East... its more like Eli is the worst based on his stats

[SonnyRules]

Didn't answer your own question? :D

[JustAfan47]

I'll take Plex over BL

[SkinsFanAnt]

He's 3rd. He's only ahead of McNabber because McNabber can't run like he used to. But then again, aside from Westbrook, we have more talent so I'd say he's tied for 3rd.

Romo is playing the best because he has the best Offense and Coordinator in Jason Garrett.
Eli is next. Though he still has big time flashes of his "forever rookie" label.
JC needs to work on accuracy and getting rid of the ball. The fumbles are starting to get old.
McNabb needs to do the same and get his legs back.

[taylorcoreskin]

Didn't answer your own question? :D

Sure I did. He's T-3rd. :)

[redskins59]

Except for yesterday's game, JC has been playing like he's Patrick Ramsey's backup. He has been that bad this season. Eli Manning is a good quarterback. I would rank NFC East QB's in this order: Tony Romo(who I do think is overrated. It's all TO. He made Donovan McNabb who has accuracy problems look like a hall of famer. But right now, because of TO, Romo looks elite, which the midget is not), Eli Manning(inconsistent, but improving), McNabb, and finally Jason Campbell who has stunk up the joint. Screw stats. Eli Manning looks better than McNabb to me. Campbell, however, has been terrible. Having said that, if he plays like he did yesterday on a consistent basis, I would be happy with Jason Campbell. If he shows no improvement, I say Derek Anderson may be our next QB.

[#98QBKiller]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.



I think you need to step back from the internets and collect your thoughts for a minute before you make another post.

[KDawg]

Except for yesterday's game, JC has been playing like he's Patrick Ramsey's backup. He has been that bad this season. Eli Manning is a good quarterback. I would rank NFC East QB's in this order: Tony Romo(who I do think is overrated. It's all TO. He made Donovan McNabb who has accuracy problems look like a hall of famer. But right now, because of TO, Romo looks elite, which the midget is not), Eli Manning(inconsistent, but improving), McNabb, and finally Jason Campbell who has stunk up the joint. Screw stats. Eli Manning looks better than McNabb to me. Campbell, however, has been terrible. Having said that, if he plays like he did yesterday on a consistent basis, I would be happy with Jason Campbell. If he shows no improvement, I say Derek Anderson may be our next QB.

Terrible? Take a step back. He hasn't played terrible aside from a game, MAYBE 2. He's been good and when the leash is off he's been really good.

[taylorcoreskin]

I think you need to step back from the internets and collect your thoughts for a minute before you make another post.

I'm not sure I agree with you. I think it's really a toss-up between Manning and JC. I don't think one has performed significantly better than the other.

[#98QBKiller]

I'm not sure I agree with you. I think it's really a toss-up between Manning and JC. I don't think one has performed significantly better than the other.


At the end of this season Eli will have completed 3 1/2 years as a starter in the same system with most of the same players it's a toss-up?

I'll take the young kid who is hot on the heels of being just as good as a guy with that much time starting.

[SoCalSkins]

At the end of this season Eli will have completed 3 1/2 years as a starter in the same system with most of the same players it's a toss-up?

I'll take the young kid who is hot on the heels of being just as good as a guy with that much time starting.


Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

[skinsfan07]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.

:laugh::laugh::laugh: laughable. Sheli sucks and only depends on Plax and Shocky to get him out of trouble.

JC is more mobile, and is younger and has more room to grow. How many years has it been with Ehli? Everyone keeps saying next year with that kid, but really I think he's stopped progressing.

JC starting in his first season is already better than Eli is in his what 4th? IMO

[ucfSKINS]

Considering he is the youngest and most inexperienced of the four, I'm ok with this. Just as someone said earlier, he hasn't really been given the opportunities that the other QB's have.

[corrupt3d]

At JC's point in his career, I would take him over Eli compared to where Eli was at 16 starts

[Henry]

I think right now it's Romo at #1 and everyone else a distant second.

[adamyesme1111]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.

:doh:
Do you really think Eli would do better then Campbell would here?

[cokill]

u guys are idiots jc has a coaching staff who holds him back and receivers that are too small. so compare him when he gets weapons like his counterparts and a coach that isnt scared. jc played a great game yesterday wtf were u guys watching!

[JustAfan47]

i hate me life!

[theTruthTeller]

I don't think its fair to criticize JC for basically being a bus driver, because that's exactly what he's been asked to do. At some point, to be considered good, he needs to be good from behind. I haven't seen that yet, but he should have more opportunities upcoming. Still too early to judge.

[#98QBKiller]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.



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I know you didn't go there

[illone]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.


Carolina 2006.

:)

I wouldn't take Eli over Campbell, but I'd take Gilbride over Gibbs/Saunders anyday. Not Saunders by himself, but definitely Gibbs micro-management of Saunders has rendered him largely ineffective.

You have to give Campbell more time. Considering he's playing at a higher level than Peyton Manning was at this point in his career, I'm willing to stay patient on that aspect of the team.

[luke1867]

I'm embarrassed at the majority of posts in this thread and in this forum in general. I wanted to think that we formed an intelligent bunch but this is so sad. Jason Campbell in 16 starts has shown a lot more for the fan base to be comfortable about than what he may have shown to get us discouraged. I count only the Arizona game where he was held back and the Patriots game where the entire team was taken to school. Just yesterday a whole Peyton Manning accumilated six interceptions! six!. Jason Campbell has been more than decent for most of the games he has played this season. His best games have been the Detroit, Green Bay, & Eagles games. Romo is really on fire because he is being allowed to play. McNaab is McNaab, he is the elite in the division. Campbell in 16 starts has been better than Eli Manning. People should stop watching highlights and watch the actual games themselves. Campbell is better than Eli. I don't even know that Eli can run no-hurdle situations at all..

[#98QBKiller]

I'm embarrassed at the majority of posts in this thread and in this forum in general. I wanted to think that we formed an intelligent bunch but this is so sad. Jason Campbell in 16 starts has shown a lot more for the fan base to be comfortable about than what he may have shown to get us discouraged. I count only the Arizona game where he was held back and the Patriots game where the entire team was taken to school. Just yesterday a whole Peyton Manning accumilated six interceptions! six!. Jason Campbell has been more than decent for most of the games he has played this season. His best games have been the Detroit, Green Bay, & Eagles games. Romo is really on fire because he is being allowed to play. McNaab is McNaab, he is the elite in the division. Campbell in 16 starts has been better than Eli Manning. People should stop watching highlights and watch the actual games themselves. Campbell is better than Eli. I don't even know that Eli can run no-hurdle situations at all..


I'd actually say that Romo is the best QB in the division as of right now, not McNabb. But I agree all of this crap about getting rid of Campbell is ridiculous.

[JustAfan47]

I'd actually say that Romo is the best QB in the division as of right now, not McNabb. But I agree all of this crap about getting rid of Campbell is ridiculous.

I agree

[MartinC]

and finally Jason Campbell who has stunk up the joint. Screw stats. Campbell, however, has been terrible. .

Wow. Terrible as compared to whom? Brady, Manning ? What about comparing him with the other young QB's around the league - Young, Leinart, Cutler, Smith, Jackson. Campbell is the best of the group for me. Young has more athletic ability but did you know Sunday was the first time he has thrown for 200 yards in his career?

Campbell has not be terrible by any reasonable assesment - he has not been without fault but overall I think he is right on track to be a very good NFL starting QB who with the right supporting cast and system can win it all.

[D'Pablo]

Eli? The same guy that just hurls the ball in Plaxico's or Shockey's direction for an instant reception? JC has to make damn near perfect throws to every single one of his receivers, excluding Cooley, due to them being such small targets. THEY DON'T EVEN CATCH IT HALF THE TIME. Jason Campbell is far superior to Eli Manning. Campbell even has the superior QB rating. He's also had fewer starts and been in the league for a shorter period of time.

[Ingtar]

I'd actually say that Romo is the best QB in the division as of right now, not McNabb. But I agree all of this crap about getting rid of Campbell is ridiculous.

I am pretty down on this team right now too, but Campbell is nowhere near as bad as people try to make him out to be. It is pretty obvious that they thread starter has an agenda since he always starts threads just like this one. I for one think he should just wallow in his misery alone rather than try to drag everyone else down with him.

[corrupt3d]

I am pretty down on this team right now too, but Campbell is nowhere near as bad as people try to make him out to be. It is pretty obvious that they thread starter has an agenda since he always starts threads just like this one. I for one think he should just wallow in his misery alone rather than try to drag everyone else down with him.



Peyton Manning was 1-15 in his first sixteen games. I'm will to give Campbell a little more time.





Case in point? Unless he were Joey Harrington or David Carr bad, we have no need of getting rid of CAmpbell.

[#98QBKiller]

I am pretty down on this team right now too, but Campbell is nowhere near as bad as people try to make him out to be. It is pretty obvious that they thread starter has an agenda since he always starts threads just like this one. I for one think he should just wallow in his misery alone rather than try to drag everyone else down with him.



I agree

[skinny21]

I am pretty down on this team right now too, but Campbell is nowhere near as bad as people try to make him out to be. It is pretty obvious that they thread starter has an agenda since he always starts threads just like this one. I for one think he should just wallow in his misery alone rather than try to drag everyone else down with him.

yep

[taylorcoreskin]

We're at the bottom of the NFC East now. Campbell has shown that he has 0 clutch factor. When we're trailing, with the game on the line, needing the score, he has shown that he simply cannot put this team on his shoulders and make plays. His hesitation is infuriating, and I'm sure it infuriates Saunders. He is not a drop back, timing passer. I hope we draft a QB in the second round to push him for playing time. He isn't top 10 material, and he never will be.

[Boss_Hogg]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.

Not me, JC all the way.

Why do you like Eli over JC?

[taylorcoreskin]

Not me, JC all the way.

Why do you like Eli over JC?

Perhaps because when he was in his second year, he was lighting it up with the game on the line in the final 2 minutes of games. Perhaps because he's 7-3 now. 11-5 in his second year. Perhaps because he doesn't have one of the worst throwing motions in the NFL. Perhaps because he doesn't fumble the ball every game. Perhaps because he is a TD machine compared to Campbell. Perhaps because he can bring his team back when trailing, unlike Campbell.

[Boss_Hogg]

Perhaps because when he was in his second year, he was lighting it up with the game on the line in the final 2 minutes of games. Perhaps because he's 7-3 now. 11-5 in his second year. Perhaps because he doesn't have one of the worst throwing motions in the NFL. Perhaps because he doesn't fumble the ball every game. Perhaps because he is a TD machine compared to Campbell. Perhaps because he can bring his team back when trailing, unlike Campbell.

Still not convinced, Giants and Redskins are two different teams with two different styles. Plus the Giants have had better all-around teams in the past few years.

Jason is still young, technically he has only been starting for a year. Give him more time to learn before you bash him.

Eli has been on the field for 3.5 seasons and I have not seen much improvement. Eli is surronded by a great cast; Toomer, Shockey, and Buress so of course his stats are better, plus the Giants had an A+ running game in 2006.

You want to see an ugly throwing motion? Look at Romo.

I support JC :helmet:


At the end of this season Eli will have completed 3 1/2 years as a starter in the same system with most of the same players it's a toss-up?

I'll take the young kid who is hot on the heels of being just as good as a guy with that much time starting.

:applause:

[Bacon]

The fact that Eli is still comparable to JC after 4 years as a starter speaks volumes. JC has a far greater upside at this point, even if his stats aren't quite as good just yet.

[skinsfan07]

2nd.

Romo
JC
McNugget
Sheli

[mAshparie36]

this has got to be a joke.

a 4 year starter, and a guy on his 17th start? wow


hope we draft a qb? ha.. you my friend are special.

[TheItalianStallion]

Look at McNabb's 4 TDs last week. One was on a drive that was helped along by 2 questionable penalties, one was a bad throw to a guy who wasn't open, and one was a screen which only got as far as it did because our Dline are idiots. JC's TDs on the other hand were precision/timing throws. And after today's (well, yesterday's, since it's after midnight) game, I'd say he's definitely better than Manning, and possibly beter than McNabb. But he's still not quite as accurate as I'd like him to be, and he didn't see ARE in the end zone. Time will tell.

[pitchdogg]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.
you suck how are you a redskins fan?

[909997]

Perhaps because when he was in his second year, he was lighting it up with the game on the line in the final 2 minutes of games. Perhaps because he's 7-3 now. 11-5 in his second year. Perhaps because he doesn't have one of the worst throwing motions in the NFL. Perhaps because he doesn't fumble the ball every game. Perhaps because he is a TD machine compared to Campbell. Perhaps because he can bring his team back when trailing, unlike Campbell.

throwing a jumpball to plaxico with 20 sec left isnt really considered coming back.

give jason plaxico i bet he turns into a TD machine.

[BigMike619]

aaahh..the doom and gloomers..they should put special tags on your names

"negative nancy"

you guys are the kinds of fans that just love to bash the skins..its funny..i never see fans on any other site just be so damn hard and bash the team they supposedly love like you guys do the skins.

[909997]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

dude campbell has like 5 4th qtr combacks in his career

he also went into phili this year and won

he went to dallas 8-1 team and almost beat them

he converts 3rd and longs

remm he took us to the 1 yard line against giants when it mattered.

you are obiviously a hater

[BigMike619]

dude campbell has like 5 4th qtr combacks in his career

he also went into phili this year and won

he went to dallas 8-1 team and almost beat them

he converts 3rd and longs

remm he took us to the 1 yard line against giants when it mattered.

you are obiviously a hater

this whole thread has brought out the haters like roaches when the lights go out.

[taylorcoreskin]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

Hmm, you posted this BEFORE the Dallas game. Seems you know something that the others have yet to realize. :notworthy

[Chris0894]

who cares about stats? he's played very well lately

[909997]

this whole thread has brought out the haters like roaches when the lights go out.

is campbell the problem or gibbs?

gibbs is 17-14 when leading after the half

its not just campbell whos losing these close games, the coaching deserves some blame.

[909997]

Hmm, you posted this BEFORE the Dallas game. Seems you know something that the others have yet to realize. :notworthy
yea its all jason campbells fault chris cooley dropped a 3rd down pass.

[taylorcoreskin]

yea its all jason campbells fault chris cooley dropped a 3rd down pass.

It's his fault that he puts the ball behind his receivers and over their heads. Not to mention missing wide open players downfield.

[909997]

anyone remm carolina game campbell came back and won that game

remm giants game he converated 3rd and longs 4th and longs got us to the 1 yard line

against jets we were down 17-3 and cameback to win that game.

against cowboys we were down by 15 he came back and got us a TD , and took us to the 20 yard line and made a young QB mistake.

hes gonna learn from his mistakes since when has campbell made the same mistake twice?

[skinsfan07]

dude campbell has like 5 4th qtr combacks in his career

he also went into phili this year and won

he went to dallas 8-1 team and almost beat them

he converts 3rd and longs

remm he took us to the 1 yard line against giants when it mattered.

you are obiviously a hater

in 17 games. I'm very proud of how well he's been progressing

And he has far more upside than Eli. The fact that people are still comparing Eli (who's a 4 year vet) to the 1st year starter in JC is proof that JC has potential to be great, while Eli seems to be playing the same year after year, not getting any better.

I'd take JC over Eli any day of the year.

And for the record, it seems like Eli is just playing football b/c "it's the family thing". He rarely shows any emotions out there, always seems to be in the same mood, win or lose and really looks like he doesn't want to play.

It's as if Archie walked up to Eli while he was a kid and said "Eli, put down the basket weaving, knot tying or whatever manual, and start playing football."

It's like he doesn't care that much for the game. Which is why I think JC is and will for years, be a better QB than Eli.

[909997]

It's his fault that he puts the ball behind his receivers and over their heads. Not to mention missing wide open players downfield.
so you wanna gid rid of the guy after 17 starts?

eli is in his 4th year and overthrows a 6'5 plaxico burress:doh:

[skinsfan07]

anyone remm carolina game campbell came back and won that game

remm giants game he converated 3rd and longs 4th and longs got us to the 1 yard line

against jets we were down 17-3 and cameback to win that game.

against cowboys we were down by 15 he came back and got us a TD , and took us to the 20 yard line and made a young QB mistake.

hes gonna learn from his mistakes since when has campbell made the same mistake twice?

He rarely makes the same mistake twice. He's such a hard worker and is willing to do whatever it takes to get this team back to glory. He IS our franchise QB and I'm glad we got him.

[taylorcoreskin]

so you wanna gid rid of the guy after 17 starts?

eli is in his 4th year and overthrows a 6'5 plaxico burress:doh:

Don't get rid of him, but draft someone in the second round who is actually an accurate passer and is decisive. JC wasn't the most accurate passer on his auburn team! Is it really such a surprise that he's having trouble in a drop back, timing offense?

[909997]

Don't get rid of him, but draft someone in the second round who is actually an accurate passer and is decisive. JC wasn't the most accurate passer on his LSU team! Is it really such a surprise that he's having trouble in a drop back, timing offense?

maybe because he didnt go to LSU:laugh:

hes completes 60% of his passes which is higher then elis

he also throws alot on the move on his backfoot when the plays break down.

no ones perfect

drafting a QB in the 2nd round is a waste of pick, we should be commited to campbell.

when hes in his 4th year and cant complete 60% of his passes and his QB rating is in the 70's then talk to me.

But drafting a QB in the 2nd round after your young QB played 17 games is just plain old nuts. You would make a worse GM then millen.

[taylorcoreskin]

maybe because he didnt go to LSU:laugh:

hes completes 60% of his passes which is higher then elis

he also throws alot on the move on his backfoot when the plays break down.

no ones perfect

I meant auburn.

[Hiro]

We're at the bottom of the NFC East now. Campbell has shown that he has 0 clutch factor. When we're trailing, with the game on the line, needing the score, he has shown that he simply cannot put this team on his shoulders and make plays. His hesitation is infuriating, and I'm sure it infuriates Saunders. He is not a drop back, timing passer. I hope we draft a QB in the second round to push him for playing time. He isn't top 10 material, and he never will be.

Zero clutch factor? I don't know what games you have been watching man, but every single fan I have watched with, every single EXPERT analyst who has watch Jason play has always complemented how calm and collected Jason is in the pocket, no matter what the situation. And today, he nearly brought us back to victory against the BEST TEAM IN THE NFC (god it pains me to say that ..).

You want to talk about hesitation? Look at guys like Ramsey, Carr, Leftwich, Culpepper, and Grossman. That is hesitation. When they are uneasy in the pocket and crumble like a cookie under pressure, and BOOM make the bad throws and turn the ball over. I haven't seen Jason "crumble" at all. Yes he's made mental errors at times that plague all young QBs, but the guy has been very obviously growing with each passing game. The fact that he's grown so much in only 17 games is amazing to me.

Now tell me why the heck we would waste a pick by drafting a QB in the 2nd round when we have so many other holes to fill. Are you telling me you'd rather draft a QB in the 2nd round, rather then a WR, DE, or a CB depending on who we select the first? That's just ... man I don't even know what to say to that. I agree we're going to need to select a QB in the draft eventually to become a dependable backup, but nothing higher then a 4th rounder, like a Jim Sorgi or a Kyle Orton.



Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

The fact that Eli was the first overall picked in 04, started midway through his rookie season and has started ever since, and it's being questioned whether he's better then JC speaks VOLUMES about how lackluster Eli is. He's got a HUGE weapon in Plaxico, and Shockey's an experienced TE that's a dependable target (who acts like ***** at times). Versus Cooley is still coming into his own as a top TE in the league, our top WR is 5'10 and has been hurt, and you can see that Eli obviously has the advantage over Jason.

And if you pay attention, you can just see that Jason oozes confidence while playing, and is ice in the pocket. Versus Eli at times looks downright flustered and lost while playing out there. He's not his brother, he won't be an elite QB in this league, while I personally feel that Jason has the potential to become an elite QB in the league. I just feel it.

And that fact that you'd take Ramsey over Jason ... he's backing up a very shaky QB in Cutler, and hasn't necessarily inspired confidence when he's gone into the game. He's a strong armed, nice guy, but he couldn't carry Jason's jock.

[taylorcoreskin]

Zero clutch factor? I don't know what games you have been watching man, but every single fan I have watched with, every single EXPERT analyst who has watch Jason play has always complemented how calm and collected Jason is in the pocket, no matter what the situation. And today, he nearly brought us back to victory against the BEST TEAM IN THE NFC (god it pains me to say that ..).

You want to talk about hesitation? Look at guys like Ramsey, Carr, Leftwich, Culpepper, and Grossman. That is hesitation. When they are uneasy in the pocket and crumble like a cookie under pressure, and BOOM make the bad throws and turn the ball over. I haven't seen Jason "crumble" at all. Yes he's made mental errors at times that plague all young QBs, but the guy has been very obviously growing with each passing game. The fact that he's grown so much in only 17 games is amazing to me.

Now tell me why the heck we would waste a pick by drafting a QB in the 2nd round when we have so many other holes to fill. Are you telling me you'd rather draft a QB in the 2nd round, rather then a WR, DE, or a CB depending on who we select the first? That's just ... man I don't even know what to say to that. I agree we're going to need to select a QB in the draft eventually to become a dependable backup, but nothing higher then a 4th rounder, like a Jim Sorgi or a Kyle Orton.

Calm and collected means nothing to me. Romo hopped around all day in his pocket. In fact, I think he's so "calm" because he's too dense to process the urgency to get the ball out FAST.

[Bacon]

Calm and collected means nothing to me. Romo hopped around all day in his pocket. In fact, I think he's so "calm" because he's too dense to process the urgency to get the ball out FAST.

Why must you continue to bag on JC's intelligence? How many times has he run over your dog in the past week?

[skinsfan07]

Why must you continue to bag on JC's intelligence? How many times has he run over your dog in the past week?

Don't pay him any mind. He's just confused and is trying to make himself look less stupid as the thread goes on when in reality he's doing the opposite.

He'll be the first one to start the "I love Jason Camppbell" thread when he leads us to a 10-6 record this year.

[MonkFan8]

Give JC Plaxico (or a similarly built reciever) and I guarentee you'll see his production skyrocket.

That said, I'd take him any day of the week over Eli. He's going to start to win the close games, just give him time.

[Hiro]

Calm and collected means nothing to me. Romo hopped around all day in his pocket. In fact, I think he's so "calm" because he's too dense to process the urgency to get the ball out FAST.

So you'd rather see your QB panic in the pocket, watch the pressure, and just freak out when his protection breaks down instead of seeing him not get fazed by the pressure and get the ball out. And Jason DOES get the ball out fast, the fact that he's improved his mechanics and bad habits from his college career so much this past offseason is impressive.

And seriously ... why do you keep calling Jason dumb? He's had to learn a grand total of 6 different offensive systems when you account for his college and pro career, the last one being one of the most intricate and complicated in the league. Oh and by the way, Aikman talked about how Jason was well worth the trade up for him, and I seem to recall you talking about how we gave up way too much for him. Do you expect me to agree with your opinion over a HOF QB's? :thumbsup:

[Bacon]

Don't pay him any mind. He's just confused and is trying to make himself look less stupid as the thread goes on when in reality he's doing the opposite.

He'll be the first one to start the "I love Jason Camppbell" thread when he leads us to a 10-6 record this year.

I think, even if we do go 10-6, he'll try his best to rationalize it or weaken its success via a number of excuses including (but not limited to):

"Who have we beaten? Really?"

"Guys, we only beat them by 7. That's not a real win."

"JC will be too dense to get us any further anyway..."

[Redskins4ever]

I would take Jason over any QB in the NFC east.

[MeNoRevs]

I would take Jason over any QB in the NFC east.

Whatever you are drinking or shooting up, I want some...

[MeNoRevs]

So you'd rather see your QB panic in the pocket, watch the pressure, and just freak out when his protection breaks down instead of seeing him not get fazed by the pressure and get the ball out. And Jason DOES get the ball out fast, the fact that he's improved his mechanics and bad habits from his college career so much this past offseason is impressive.

And seriously ... why do you keep calling Jason dumb? He's had to learn a grand total of 6 different offensive systems when you account for his college and pro career, the last one being one of the most intricate and complicated in the league. Oh and by the way, Aikman talked about how Jason was well worth the trade up for him, and I seem to recall you talking about how we gave up way too much for him. Do you expect me to agree with your opinion over a HOF QB's? :thumbsup:

How many fumbles has he had this year? How many great catches did our WR have to bail him out today? This year, when it seems like Jason needs to make the throws, he hasnt. He had Moss wide open in the endzone, and the pass was not close.

Now I am a Jason Campbell fan, but people tend to overlook the obvious problems that he has.

BTW, Peyton Manning looks like he is walking on hot coals when he is back to pass, and I think he is pretty good.

[909997]

How many fumbles has he had this year? How many great catches did our WR have to bail him out today? This year, when it seems like Jason needs to make the throws, he hasnt. He had Moss wide open in the endzone, and the pass was not close.

Now I am a Jason Campbell fan, but people tend to overlook the obvious problems that he has.

BTW, Peyton Manning looks like he is walking on hot coals when he is back to pass, and I think he is pretty good.

arent u the same guy who said betts was better then portis:laugh:

[MeNoRevs]

arent u the same guy who said betts was better then portis:laugh:

Are you the same guy that makes peoples head spin everytime they try to read something you say. I still think your are like 13 years old that got to register on here.

I said that Betts is better suited for this offense. Don't get me wrong, but Portis has had a couple of good games, 1 being excellent, well guess what, I sure as hell hope he has a couple of good games for what he is getting paid.

My only drawback to Betts is his fumbling, which Portis has done his fair share of.

[allwet]

I am extremely happy Jason Campbell is on the team. We finally have a good young qb for the first time since #7 Joe T. Redskins fans as well as the team have consistently undermined the quarterback position on this team for the last fifteen years. Let's learn from our mistakes and support JC who is a great talent and is playing pretty darn well. Is he making some mistakes young quarterbacks make, yes--but who hasn't.

I think he has been terrific especially considering the beat up offensive line and the beat up wide receivers this year.

[nowikonik]

The OL is banged up, the recieving corps are banged up, CPortis cant do it all.. yes he (JC) can scramble but we used the full width of the field today for the first time.. Im actually optomistic for the first time this year that we shall finish STRONG...HAIL TO THE SKINS...

[Ozzu]

1. Romo
2. Campbell
3. McNabb
4. Manning

That's my top 4. Campbell is going to be a beast and if you guys ever get some bigger wideouts with big play potential, he'll be even better. The only two things I see about him that he needs to work on a little bit would be his accuracy on certain routes and holding onto the ball when he gets hit.

[ozskin]

If ya base it on when the coaches finally let play his natural game, he's a clear second to Romo, and probably one of the best in the NFC.

[BigMike619]

I think, even if we do go 10-6, he'll try his best to rationalize it or weaken its success via a number of excuses including (but not limited to):

"Who have we beaten? Really?"

"Guys, we only beat them by 7. That's not a real win."

"JC will be too dense to get us any further anyway..."

maaaaaaaaan..you have the lingo down perfect!!

its a shame when you see supposed "fans" bash the very team that they supposedly love week in and out. It is just old and I just dont get it. No team is perfect but when you go to a Chiefs site they arent sitting there bashing Herm Edwards for his every move.

This is typical for Skins fans though. Why is that though I wonder?

[SkinsManNJ]

Except for yesterday's game, JC has been playing like he's Patrick Ramsey's backup. He has been that bad this season. Eli Manning is a good quarterback. I would rank NFC East QB's in this order: Tony Romo(who I do think is overrated. It's all TO. He made Donovan McNabb who has accuracy problems look like a hall of famer. But right now, because of TO, Romo looks elite, which the midget is not), Eli Manning(inconsistent, but improving), McNabb, and finally Jason Campbell who has stunk up the joint. Screw stats. Eli Manning looks better than McNabb to me. Campbell, however, has been terrible. Having said that, if he plays like he did yesterday on a consistent basis, I would be happy with Jason Campbell. If he shows no improvement, I say Derek Anderson may be our next QB.

I have no clue to what you have been watching but Campbell has far from stunk it up this season.

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.
If JC had a Plaxico Burress I'm sure he would complete those 4th quarter come backs. 1st game of the year he and CliPo drove us down the field to win. Against the Giants he got us down to the goalline. That wasn't his fault we lost that game. Against GreenBay he was doing just fine except for all the passes being dropped. He almost brought us back in that game to.

I know there is a difference between completing and almost completing comebacks. But either way he can bring this team in striking distance to win.

[skinsfan07]

1. Romo
2. Campbell
3. McNabb
4. Manning

That's my top 4. Campbell is going to be a beast and if you guys ever get some bigger wideouts with big play potential, he'll be even better. The only two things I see about him that he needs to work on a little bit would be his accuracy on certain routes and holding onto the ball when he gets hit.

glad to see the boys fans giving him props.

Sad that some Skins fans don't even see it yet. In less than 2 years, all those JC bashers will be singing a new tune. The kid is gonna be very, very good.

[Mister Happy]

If you wrap CODE tags around your table, it preserves the spacing, like so:



Rank Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate

3 Tony Romo DAL QB 190 292 65.1 32.4 2,555 8.8 283.9 23 11 127 43.5 59T 36 6 13 103.3
7 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 192 315 61.0 35.0 2,295 7.3 255.0 13 4 103 32.7 75T 23 9 30 91.7
14 Eli Manning NYG QB 168 283 59.4 31.4 1,820 6.4 202.2 14 11 88 31.1 60T 21 4 13 78.6
18 Jason Campbell WAS QB 156 261 59.8 29.0 1,735 6.6 192.8 9 7 93 35.6 54 20 4 14 79.9

[DonMagicJuan]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.


wow...nominated for worst comment of 2007 so far....

im not being a homer, i liked jason in college beofre he became a redskin but that was by far the worst comment....

ELI? hahha oVER JASON? are u kidding me....u'll eat ur words when jason makes the pro bowl in the next several years....

[Bacon]

1. Romo
2. Campbell
3. McNabb
4. Manning

That's my top 4. Campbell is going to be a beast and if you guys ever get some bigger wideouts with big play potential, he'll be even better. The only two things I see about him that he needs to work on a little bit would be his accuracy on certain routes and holding onto the ball when he gets hit.

Wow. I actually agree with every word of that. :laugh:

McNabb is a better QB than Eli, and I will continue to stick by that no matter what happens to the Eagles. If they had any dangerous receivers, he'd look like his old self. I think he'll do some damage elsewhere, but his time in Philly should be up.

[Gigantor]

aaahh..the doom and gloomers..they should put special tags on your names

"negative nancy"

you guys are the kinds of fans that just love to bash the skins..its funny..i never see fans on any other site just be so damn hard and bash the team they supposedly love like you guys do the skins.

They're liberals! they do the same thing to our troops while on the battlefield.

[taylorcoreskin]

Campbell has the worse QB rating and fewest TDs among the four. He has the third worst averade yards per pass attempt. How is this being a negative nancy? Stats don't lie.

[skinsfan07]

Campbell has the worse QB rating and fewest TDs among the four. He has the third worst averade yards per pass attempt. How is this being a negative nancy? Stats don't lie.

yep and apparently experience has nothing to do with that.

Some of you make me sick. :doh:

And for the record, Peyton Manning was 3-13 in his first full year as a starter and threw for more INT's than TD's and Troy Aikman was 1-15 in his first full year as a starter and we all see how good they turned out.

I bet you were one of the guys who was calling for Manning's benching and Troy's benching after that too. And then you were proven wrong, just like you will be proven wrong once again.

[taylorcoreskin]

yep and apparently experience has nothing to do with that.

Some of you make me sick. :doh:

And for the record, Peyton Manning was 3-13 in his first full year as a starter and threw for more INT's than TD's and Troy Aikman was 1-15 in his first full year as a starter and we all see how good they turned out.

I bet you were one of the guys who was calling for Manning's benching and Troy's benching after that too. And then you were proven wrong, just like you will be proven wrong once again.

:doh: :doh:

Of course experience has something to do with it. Did you even bother reading the thread title, or do you just like to defend Campbell regardless of the statement that's being made. "Where does JC rank so far?" is the question. And so far, he's been sub par. This isn't to say that he can't improve. But that doesn't mean that his production has been impressive. In fact, it's arguably been the worst among the NFC East quarterbacks.

[skinsfan07]

:doh: :doh:

Of course experience has something to do with it. Did you even bother reading the thread title, or do you just like to defend Campbell regardless of the statement that's being made. "Where does JC rank so far?" is the question. And so far, he's been sub par. This isn't to say that he can't improve. But that doesn't mean that his production has been impressive. In fact, it's arguably been the worst among the NFC East quarterbacks.

dude in almost every thread discussing JC, you've bashed him to a point where it gets out of control. You agreed with that other guy that JC will be a backup in 2 years. Come on.

If you've watched him at all this year, which I assume you have, than you would be able to see the progression he has made in almost every game, especially these past 2 weeks!

and for rankings I believe I already did that.

Romo
JC
D Mc
Eli

Even cowboys fans would have that exact same order. They at least realize how good JC is becoming. You should too.

Stat wise, so what. We're a run-oriented offense, of course he's not gonna put up Tom Brady numbers. He's like Ben Roethlisberger was in 05 when they won the SB. A game manager, that uses the strong run game to open up the passes for him. It worked in 05 for the Steelers who finsihed 11-5 and won the SB with a strong D, strong run game and a game managing QB, and it will work for us this year during our run to th playoffs.

He's only going to get better and I hope you can at least recognize that he will.

[RammsteinSkins]

JC is first in my rankings

[skinfan2k]

2004 PIT 14 196 295 66.4 2621 8.9 17 58 11 98.1
2005 PIT 12 168 268 62.7 2385 8.9 17 85 9 98.6


First two years of Ben, pretty identical.

[taylorcoreskin]

dude in almost every thread discussing JC, you've bashed him to a point where it gets out of control. You agreed with that other guy that JC will be a backup in 2 years. Come on.

If you've watched him at all this year, which I assume you have, than you would be able to see the progression he has made in almost every game, especially these past 2 weeks!

and for rankings I believe I already did that.

Romo
JC
D Mc
Eli

Even cowboys fans would have that exact same order. They at least realize how good JC is becoming. You should too.

Stat wise, so what. We're a run-oriented offense, of course he's not gonna put up Tom Brady numbers. He's like Ben Roethlisberger was in 05 when they won the SB. A game manager, that uses the strong run game to open up the passes for him. It worked in 05 for the Steelers who finsihed 11-5 and won the SB with a strong D, strong run game and a game managing QB, and it will work for us this year during our run to th playoffs.

He's only going to get better and I hope you can at least recognize that he will.

Where the hell do you come up with these comparison. In 05, Roethlisberger had a QB rating of 98 and an average of 8.9. Campbell has a rating of 81 and and average of 6.5. We've had game managers for 15 years; 2 first round picks ought to buy us a game CHANGER. How is Campbell playing better than Eli right now. Eli's 7-3, has a better QB rating and has more TDs. And McNabb? It's not even close. McNabb has a better QB rating, average, more touchdowns, fewer interceptions. If Campbell is in a run oriented offense, why does that explain him turning over the ball more than DMAc who is in a pass oriented offense. Campbell throws it less than donavan yet turns it over MORE. Right now, in this 07 season, Campbell is arguably playing the worst football among the divison quarterbacks.

[CM916]

Has anyone here watched his last two games? No, we didn't win but JC has looked better than ever and I already thought he was going to become great after last year.

When you factor in how much time Eli has had and how poorly he still tends to perform, you have to consider JC better with only 16 starts. You also need to look at our play calling earlier in the season, we just weren't throwing as much or as deep as the others. Only now does JC seem to have earned the full trust of the coaching staff to run whatever we want.

[skinsfan07]

Where the hell do you come up with these comparison. In 05, Roethlisberger had a QB rating of 98 and an average of 8.9. Campbell has a rating of 81 and and average of 6.5. We've had game managers for 15 years; 2 first round picks ought to buy us a game CHANGER. How is Campbell playing better than Eli right now. Eli's 7-3, has a better QB rating and has more TDs. And McNabb? It's not even close. McNabb has a better QB rating, average, more touchdowns, fewer interceptions. If Campbell is in a run oriented offense, why does that explain him turning over the ball more than DMAc who is in a pass oriented offense. Campbell throws it less than donavan yet turns it over MORE. Right now, in this 07 season, Campbell is arguably playing the worst football among the divison quarterbacks.

You wanted my opinion and I gave it to you. Eli isn't getting any better and to be comparing him to JC is laughable considering Eli is a 4 year vet and is still making dumb mistakes, and McNabb just got hurt AGAIN and my guess is won't be starting for the Eagles in 2 years (or less). And Romo is easily the best out of the 4 which iswhy he's #1 on my list.

JC on the other hand is in his first full year as a starter and even though he's making those mistakes NOW, he has time to fix them. It's not like he's a 8 year vet still making stupid mistakes. He has room to grow. And I'm willing to wait more than a year to toss out a quarterback who on this team has the most potential at the position since Mark Rypien. I just wish fans weren't so damn impatient.

I'm glad I still have my youth. :D

[AUskins]

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3Tony Romo (http://www.nfl.com/players/tonyromo/profile?id=ROM787981) DAL (http://www.nfl.com/teams/dallascowboys/profile?team=DAL) QB 212 324 65.4 32.4 2,848 8.8 284.8 27 12 142 43.8 59T 41 8 13 105.6

10Donovan McNabb (http://www.nfl.com/players/donovanmcnabb/profile?id=MCN017517) PHI (http://www.nfl.com/teams/philadelphiaeagles/profile?team=PHI) QB 195 326 59.8 32.6 2,329 7.1 232.9 13 6 104 31.9 75T 24 9 30 87.3

13Eli Manning (http://www.nfl.com/players/elimanning/profile?id=MAN473170) NYG (http://www.nfl.com/teams/newyorkgiants/profile?team=NYG) QB 196 322 60.9 32.2 2,103 6.5 210.3 15 11 98 30.4 60T 22 4 15 81.3


14Jason Campbell (http://www.nfl.com/players/jasoncampbell/profile?id=CAM375235) WAS (http://www.nfl.com/teams/washingtonredskins/profile?team=WAS) QB 189 315 60.0 31.5 2,083 6.6 208.3 11 8 114 36.2 54 23 4 15 80.7
In my opinion, he's tied with Eli Manning for worst QB in the division. Both have a god awful average, and teams with a favorable yards per pass attempt differential tend to win many more games than those that don't.

I disagree with your opinion. There is more to football than stats.

[DallasSucks19922010]

screw all of you negative nancy *******s. even the cowboy fan has some sense.

[SoCalSkins]

I disagree with your opinion. There is more to football than stats.


There are W's and L's. Campbell is 7-10 so far.

[SkinsFanMania]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

The Carolina Game last season he brought us from behind to win, so don't say never.

[SoCalSkins]

The Carolina Game last season he brought us from behind to win, so don't say never.


He was 11 of 23 for 118 yards. 66 yards was on one play. Take that play away, he was 10 of 22 for 52, slightly better than Mark Brunell in the playoffs against the Bucs, but far worse than even a mediocre day for an NFL qb. He did not bring the team back in that game. ST sealed the win with a pick. If that is the best you got for him, then he sucks.

[skinsfan07]

He was 11 of 23 for 118 yards. 66 yards was on one play. Take that play away, he was 10 of 22 for 52, slightly better than Mark Brunell in the playoffs against the Bucs, but far worse than even a mediocre day for an NFL qb. He did not bring the team back in that game. ST sealed the win with a pick. If that is the best you got for him, then he sucks.

Hey he brought us back in the Jets game as well. 17-3 and we won.

and you can't argue the fact that he's getting better every week. If you don't see it, than you are blind.

[SoCalSkins]

Hey he brought us back in the Jets game as well. 17-3 and we won.

and you can't argue the fact that he's getting better every week. If you don't see it, than you are blind.

He is doing ok. When the game is on the line, he chokes so far. He is 7-10.

Bringing a team back late in a game involves being down late in the game, driving to put the team ahead. He hasn't done it once this year. He throws the ball 2 yards lower to Santana last week and he would have had that, but he threw the pick instead the next play.

[GPinn1224]

you know what i think the problem is i with all the jc bashing.....our skins have been so bad for so long they're not thinking of campbell as a first year starter. they talk bout him as if he's been starting for years and years.

someone made a comment about him throwing less than other qb's yet less completions or something along those lines. i'd think that if you DON'T throw enough, how are you suppose to get better? you don't get better at driving from the passenger seat. the two games campbell was allowed to throw more, we saw the results.

i said it before in another thread......i'd take campbell over romo. yes i know that sounds crazy, but if you put jc in the same situation romo has, i personally feel he'd do better. romo is one of the few living a qb's dream in dallas. tall very strong receiver as your number one target....very good te in witten.....o-line that does a good job giving you time to throw......and a pass first system.

for most of the season, campbell had none of that. yes he has cooley, but cooley was held back to block when the line was finding itself.

what we're seeing now is what we envisioned at the start of the season (( cept for the defense )). i don't understand why it takes gibbs half a season or more...to make the necessary changes when everyone else see's it 2-3 games before he does. it started back with replacing boonell with ramsey. yes i'm still a ramsey fan. never felt he got a fair shot.

all i'm saying is looking at the actual games instead of looking at stats and skimming through articles here and there is a far better way of summing up campbell. it's hard to look at him play and not get excited bout our future.

one last thing. i love our receivers. huge fan of moss.....but dammit, we need taller (( and healthy )) guys for all the obvious reasons. keeping my fingers crossed that mix can somehow slide in there and make a difference. not sure i see it happening. it's possible, but what are the chances.

[SoCalSkins]

^^^^

Portis, Moss, Cooley greater than what the pukes have in Barber/Jones, TO and Witten.

[skinsfan07]

He is doing ok. When the game is on the line, he chokes so far. He is 7-10.

Bringing a team back late in a game involves being down late in the game, driving to put the team ahead. He hasn't done it once this year. He throws the ball 2 yards lower to Santana last week and he would have had that, but he threw the pick instead the next play.

That's why we brought in Mix, a tall WR who can make those catches.

And the D has let JC down so many times it isn't even funny.

Philly game, Dallas game, last year's Bucs game, and the WR's have let him down too, this year's GB game is an example.

He doesn't choke so much as his team doesn't help him out. He can make all the throws but that won't mater if his WR's won't catch the ball. And when they start catching the ball, like in the Dallas game, we saw what he could do, and he was very good at it.

Wait until both sides of the ball are playing solid, than you will get to see how good JC really is.

[skinsfan07]

^^^^

Portis, Moss, Cooley greater than what the pukes have in Barber/Jones, TO and Witten.

Portis yes

other than that no.

Witten is having a better season than Cooley stats ise, but that's due to Cooley having to block more.

And TO, wow I'd be in Heaven right now if we had him and he were doing what he is in Dallas, here. He's playing the best football in his career.

[taylorcoreskin]

That's why we brought in Mix, a tall WR who can make those catches.

And the D has let JC down so many times it isn't even funny.

Philly game, Dallas game, last year's Bucs game, and the WR's have let him down too, this year's GB game is an example.

He doesn't choke so much as his team doesn't help him out. He can make all the throws but that won't mater if his WR's won't catch the ball. And when they start catching the ball, like in the Dallas game, we saw what he could do, and he was very good at it.

Wait until both sides of the ball are playing solid, than you will get to see how good JC really is.

The defense is top 5 in yards per pass attempt. The offense is 21st in yards per pass attempt. The defense letting JC down? :laugh:

[SoCalSkins]

That's why we brought in Mix, a tall WR who can make those catches.



A practice squad player off the street is going to make such a difference. Our qb's accuracy sucks, so let's get taller receivers. Sounds like a good fix.

[taylorcoreskin]

^^^^^^^^^^^

A practice squad player off the street is going to make such a difference. Our qb's accuracy sucks, so let's get taller receivers. Sounds like a good fix.


:laugh:

Seems logical.

[Henry]

The defense is top 5 in yards per pass attempt. The offense is 21st in yards per pass attempt. The defense letting JC down? :laugh:

The offense has scored 26 points in the second half of the past two games.

The defense has given up 47 points in the second half of the past two games.

Yeah. Our defense is killing us.

[redskins59]

The defense is top 5 in yards per pass attempt. The offense is 21st in yards per pass attempt. The defense letting JC down? :laugh:

Those numbers mean nothing. Remember, Pats had only one 30 yard+ pass against us. This defense's biggest weakness is dink and dunk. That's exactly how we lost to Philadelphia as well. Now that Taylor is injured, the deep ball is also a weakness.

[emor09]

i would take him 2nd, behind Romo

McNabbb is awful-clearly 4th

Eli has every oppurtunity to succeed, and isnt doing that well

When JC has the oppurtunity (last 2 weeks) he has thrived

[#98QBKiller]

The offense has scored 26 points in the second half of the past two games.

The defense has given up 47 points in the second half of the past two games.

Yeah. Our defense is killing us.



Did he really need somone to tell him this? Sounds to me like someone isn't watching the games.

[cujo0264]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.


are you crazy?

[Skinsinparadise]

Funny to read the "haters" stuff on Campbell. 17 starts! He's basically just a game or two removed from being a rookie and he STILL has shown up big in some games.

The guy has a cannon of an arm, the guy can run. Really just about every football geek on every show and broadcast GUSH about Jason. And many have complained about there being an ant-Redskins media bias but that certainly doesn't extend to Jason.

So Jason's biggest critics are really here from some members on the board. It is what it is but its ironic really to see the national media pile on to the hype around Jason but the ones not joining are some of the hard core extremeskins fans.

[UVASKINSFAN]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

lol dude its not april fools so please...stop...ur makin me..... :laugh:

1. Romo
2. Campbell
3. Eli
4. McNabb

Guy throws 1 pick out of 54 att and ur ready to crown eli :doh:

[BDOG510]

JC is a choker plain and simple. Pretty much consistent with Mcnabb, Vick, Culpepper, so on and so on...

Great athlete but don't have the character and guts to get it done in the cruch ie Cowboys game.

[#98QBKiller]

JC is a choker plain and simple. Pretty much consistent with Mcnabb, Vick, Culpepper, so on and so on...

Great athlete but don't have the character and guts to get it done in the cruch ie Cowboys game.



I assume you mean "clutch?"

But either way you're obviously not watching the games, or you would see our defense giving up big plays like it was 2006.

It's hard for any QB to overcome that

[Skinsinparadise]

JC is a choker plain and simple. Pretty much consistent with Mcnabb, Vick, Culpepper, so on and so on...

Great athlete but don't have the character and guts to get it done in the cruch ie Cowboys game.

just pulled this Aikman's rookie year. Campbell has started off clearly better

Aikman finished with an 0-11 record (155 of 293 for 1,749 yards, 9 TDs, 18 INTs) as the Cowboys went 1-15. Fans and sportswriters, still reeling from Landry's firing, publicly disparaged the team's "savior."


Yeah looks like Aikman was Mr. Come Through in the Crunch" all the way from day 1. Yeah if Campbell isn't at his peak in his 17th start then we are in trouble. Isn't it QB's have the best seasons in the first or if not 2nd year then its a downhill spiral from there? Yeah pretty much every QB lights it up all the time from day 1.

And the Skins if anything are making it EASY on Campbell this season. The run game has been stellar and from day 1 this season teams -- have had to account for Portis' 100 yard rushing games. The offensive line has been fully healthy and gosh the receivers have been all healthy too.

Cooley hasn't had to stay in and block but runs routes all the time. Lloyd really rose to the occasion this season. Moss has been having an injury free and perhaps his best season ever. Moss really never drops any balls. The Skins are fortunate to have a tall possession guy that Jason can go to in a pinch. And heck he has had guys like McCardall available for 5 games now that's plenty of time, their chemistry should be similar already to Manning and Harrison.

Add that to the fact that the Skins have one of the most open offenses in the NFL. Gibbs loves those 4 receiver formations and just wants to chuck the ball all game.

Yeah with all that Campbell is clearly better than Aikman and most 17 game starters in a similar time in their career. Heck no wonder Aikman was praising him like crazy last week. But we got to remember all the advantages that Campbell has had so of course his QB rating is going to be top 10 in the NFC and higher than Eli for example considering:

Healthy Wr's
Santana Moss having a career year
Open offensive with plenty of 4 wrs sets
An ideal possession receiver
Full healthy offensive line
Teams have been flat out frightened about the Skins run game, didn't take them long to find their running game it was there from the get go

Now I don't know too many teams that haven't dumped their QB after 17 starts after having a better than average QB rating. If he's not a top 5 QB after 17 starts, he will never be.

At 25 going on 26 -- the skills start eroding. The game doesn't slow down but gets more complex the more defenses you see. When your starters get healthy it brings the whole team down especially the QB. A strong offensive line is a problem becuase the QB has too much time to think in the pocket. Usually the more time you are in the offense the more confusing it gets. Just a lot to worry about, things can only get worse.

We are screwed when Randy Thomas gets back.
Its going to get even worse next season when Jansen is back, Santana is healthy and they acquire a possesion receiver, and will have the freedom to let Cooley run routes more than block. Things are bad, only downhill from here.


Edit
just got this from a Cowboy friend

Campbell is going to be a player for a long time. Great skills and he almost kept the game to the end last week.

[UVASKINSFAN]

JC is a choker plain and simple. Pretty much consistent with Mcnabb, Vick, Culpepper, so on and so on...

Great athlete but don't have the character and guts to get it done in the cruch ie Cowboys game.

Choker? How the **** do you choke when a CB makes a great play. Im sorry dude but you dont know dick about football.

[Gerald362]

Hmmm. Looking at these stats I see a few interesting things that jump out at me. First one is conversion to first down. #1 Romo 43.5% #2 JC 35.6% #3 McNabb 32.7% #4 Eli 31.1%. I like a QB who can get a first down

Second: INTs #1 McNabb 4 #2 JC 7 #3(tie) Romo/Eli

What this says to me is that he works the ball down the field with the short game the coaches say to do, and he doesnt throw the ball to the D when the pass isnt there. Sounds a bit like maturity to me from a QB.. Granted his TD #'s suck, but that isnt what he has been told to do from the sidelines very much, at least until recently, but he is playing Gibbs ball, other than the blindside fumbles, he isnt throwing the ball away. The other thing about these stats is that other than McNabb's 30 sacks, the NFCE QB's are lumped together around 13-14 sacks. INC is better than a sack in the field position game. We have seen JC stand in the pocket and get hit and be able to throw the ball away instead of being sacked quite a few times. What more, other than TD passes, do you want from him right now?



Rank Player Team Pos Comp Att Pct Att/G Yds Avg Yds/G TD Int 1st 1st% Lng 20+ 40+ Sck Rate

3 Tony Romo DAL QB 190 292 65.1 32.4 2,555 8.8 283.9 23 11 127 43.5 59T 36 6 13 103.3
7 Donovan McNabb PHI QB 192 315 61.0 35.0 2,295 7.3 255.0 13 4 103 32.7 75T 23 9 30 91.7
14 Eli Manning NYG QB 168 283 59.4 31.4 1,820 6.4 202.2 14 11 88 31.1 60T 21 4 13 78.6
18 Jason Campbell WAS QB 156 261 59.8 29.0 1,735 6.6 192.8 9 7 93 35.6 54 20 4 14 79.9[/QUOTE]

[SkinsNumberOne]

I assume you mean "clutch?"

But either way you're obviously not watching the games, or you would see our defense giving up big plays like it was 2006.

It's hard for any QB to overcome that
I like Jason too, but he knows and we know that we had a chance in the Cowboys game when he threw that pick to Newman. Does that mean he's not going to be a QB who can make those passes? Of course not. Everyone makes mistakes.

But obviously, we had an opportunity to win the Cowboys game and couldn't get it done. Let's see what happens as we go forward. I know that we have reason for confidence in JC from what we've seen - progress.

[#98QBKiller]

I like Jason too, but he knows and we know that we had a chance in the Cowboys game when he threw that pick to Newman. Does that mean he's not going to be a QB who can make those passes? Of course not. Everyone makes mistakes.

But obviously, we had an opportunity to win the Cowboys game and couldn't get it done. Let's see what happens as we go forward. I know that we have reason for confidence in JC from what we've seen - progress.


Right we did have a shot to win, but some of these people are acting like Campbell cost us that game.

I guess it depends on how you look at it though.

If people want to ignore all of the big plays to Owens resulting in touchdowns and the fact that Gibbs essentially pissed away points when he chose to take a 50 yd FG on 4th and 1 and not going for it while we had them on the ropes, then yes I guess I can see how people can say that JC cost us that game.

[GamaGoliath]

Except for yesterday's game, JC has been playing like he's Patrick Ramsey's backup. He has been that bad this season. Eli Manning is a good quarterback. I would rank NFC East QB's in this order: Tony Romo(who I do think is overrated. It's all TO. He made Donovan McNabb who has accuracy problems look like a hall of famer. But right now, because of TO, Romo looks elite, which the midget is not), Eli Manning(inconsistent, but improving), McNabb, and finally Jason Campbell who has stunk up the joint. Screw stats. Eli Manning looks better than McNabb to me. Campbell, however, has been terrible. Having said that, if he plays like he did yesterday on a consistent basis, I would be happy with Jason Campbell. If he shows no improvement, I say Derek Anderson may be our next QB.



:no:

[GamaGoliath]

Campbell has the worse QB rating and fewest TDs among the four. He has the third worst averade yards per pass attempt. How is this being a negative nancy? Stats don't lie.

You do realize that PLAYCALLING holds a significant role in JC's stats don't you? You keep calling the kid dense, but you seem to be content to prove yourself dense with each post bashing Campbell. Most people can see the potential in Campbell, and I think that with the restraints coming off, you will see more and more from him. You're too stuck in your bias to see any of that though. :doh:

[barry wilburn]

JC is by far the best in the NFC East. Romo is a flash in the pan, let's see him do it against good defenses once they have more tape on him. McNabb is finished, and Eli is just plain horrible. JC on the other hand is all potential, and while he doesn't have the numbers or performance to back it up yet, he's definitely the best because he's tall and he has a good arm. Football is all about potential, and while JC hasn't really accomplished anything, he's still young which means he's definitely going to.

Oh, and since JC has the worst playcalling in the division, he's obviously the best QB. That's just an obvious fact.

[Soup]

Who ever posted this thread put his foot in his mouth with this one.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Is Jesse Palmer still around?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

JC is by far the best in the NFC East. Romo is a flash in the pan, let's see him do it against good defenses once they have more tape on him. McNabb is finished, and Eli is just plain horrible. JC on the other hand is all potential, and while he doesn't have the numbers or performance to back it up yet, he's definitely the best because he's tall and he has a good arm. Football is all about potential, and while JC hasn't really accomplished anything, he's still young which means he's definitely going to.

Oh, and since JC has the worst playcalling in the division, he's obviously the best QB. That's just an obvious fact.



i really really hope this was a joke.

[redfreak57]

JC is by far the best in the NFC East. Romo is a flash in the pan, let's see him do it against good defenses once they have more tape on him. McNabb is finished, and Eli is just plain horrible. JC on the other hand is all potential, and while he doesn't have the numbers or performance to back it up yet, he's definitely the best because he's tall and he has a good arm. Football is all about potential, and while JC hasn't really accomplished anything, he's still young which means he's definitely going to.

Oh, and since JC has the worst playcalling in the division, he's obviously the best QB. That's just an obvious fact.

haha, best explaination ever...its just a fact

[justafan1]

Except for yesterday's game, JC has been playing like he's Patrick Ramsey's backup. He has been that bad this season. Eli Manning is a good quarterback. I would rank NFC East QB's in this order: Tony Romo(who I do think is overrated. It's all TO. He made Donovan McNabb who has accuracy problems look like a hall of famer. But right now, because of TO, Romo looks elite, which the midget is not), Eli Manning(inconsistent, but improving), McNabb, and finally Jason Campbell who has stunk up the joint. Screw stats. Eli Manning looks better than McNabb to me. Campbell, however, has been terrible. Having said that, if he plays like he did yesterday on a consistent basis, I would be happy with Jason Campbell. If he shows no improvement, I say Derek Anderson may be our next QB.


I hate to break it to you, but Tony Romo is pretty dang good, and for you to call him a midget is ridicolous. You need to do research, or better yet, watch a few dallas games before you make such stupid remarks.

[SWFLSkins]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

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Seriously, you better not mind eating those words because that is crazy talk.


Eli has had more experience, has had the same system and players for longer.

Campbell has one wideout, one and he is hurt most the time, ARE is good, but we all knew he was no solid number two when we got him. Campbell looks good and is improving every game, besides that right side of the line is weak and the pressure has been tremendous. When Ramsey faced that kind of pressure the ball usaully went the other way for a TD.

Campbell >>>>Ramsey, all day long, and Eli, while he's no Peyton, he has looked good, but what do you expect for the number one overall? As far as Eli vx. Campbell, inconclusive at this point-and an unfair comparison. Meanwhile Ramsey is doing what?

[jchocolate99]

JC is by far the best in the NFC East. Romo is a flash in the pan, let's see him do it against good defenses once they have more tape on him. McNabb is finished, and Eli is just plain horrible. JC on the other hand is all potential, and while he doesn't have the numbers or performance to back it up yet, he's definitely the best because he's tall and he has a good arm. Football is all about potential, and while JC hasn't really accomplished anything, he's still young which means he's definitely going to.

Oh, and since JC has the worst playcalling in the division, he's obviously the best QB. That's just an obvious fact.

WOW do you even watch football???? Romo is a flash in the pan, teams dont have enough tape on him??? I really hope this is a joke cause if your serious WOW

[SkinsWizCubsDukes]

Yeah, I would say if you gave Campbell a receiver like TO or Plax. Burress, he would be at the top of the NFC east as well. Not to mention Santana Moss has been out for a few games and JC is just not seeming to get into a groove.

I do need to see that game winning drive out of him. I am sold on his talent, I am sold on his big arm, and I am sold on his coachability...

Campbell doesn't seem to be very good in the clutch. He has crumbled in some pressure situations. He has led some good end of the game drives but he can't seem to put the ball in the end zone after he moves down the field.

I think he has all the tools physically, let's hope he get's the mental aspect of being an NFL QB/leader of the team/Clutch performer.

[redfreak57]

most of you guys in this forum are expecting alot of JC because the coaches have talked about how hard he has worked in the offseason and because alot of people give him credit, well just alittle fact for ya...Peyton Manning's first season as starter what did he do as far as record...can you say 3-13 and look now at what he has done. Given that it is Campbell's third year and that was Manning's first, you don't learn everything sitting on the bench. You actually have to get in and learn from experience. Now in no way am I saying that JC is going to be a Peyton Manning because honestly I don't think it would happen but give this guy more time, he will improve as he has shown in the past 2 weeks...

56/88 63.6% 563 yds 5 TDS 1 INT and sacked only twice.

say those numbers are terrible or disappointing...YOU CAN'T BEACAUSE THEY AREN'T

compared to Peyton Manning's previous 2 games

50/88 56.8% 496 yds 2 TDS 7 INTs and sacked 4 times.
given Manning doesn't put up those stats often, you have to admit that he has shown the ability to be great.

[Retire 21]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.
Are you serious?!!?!?

Right now,
1. Romo
2. JC
3. Eli
4. McNabb

[Retire 21]

JC is by far the best in the NFC East. Romo is a flash in the pan, let's see him do it against good defenses once they have more tape on him. McNabb is finished, and Eli is just plain horrible. JC on the other hand is all potential, and while he doesn't have the numbers or performance to back it up yet, he's definitely the best because he's tall and he has a good arm. Football is all about potential, and while JC hasn't really accomplished anything, he's still young which means he's definitely going to.

Oh, and since JC has the worst playcalling in the division, he's obviously the best QB. That's just an obvious fact.

I can't say he is the best simply because Romo has the numbers, but I do agree, "once Romo's lucky streak ends" I think people will begin seeing Campbell as the top QB.

[Retire 21]

I think you need to step back from the internets and collect your thoughts for a minute before you make another post.
Haha, seriously.

[barry wilburn]

WOW do you even watch football???? Romo is a flash in the pan, teams dont have enough tape on him??? I really hope this is a joke cause if your serious WOW

Romo is just plain lucky. Also, if you compare Campbell's performance in the second half of last years Giants game and the second half of this year's Philly and Cowboys games (disregarding the final possession in all cases) with Romo's performance in the Dallas Buffalo game, it's obvious that Campbell is better. Anyhow, bottom line is that football is all about wins and losses and Campbell hasn't won as many games as Romo because his coaching staff is inferior and he doesn't have TO which means he's better than Romo.

[VCDefectors]

Romo is just plain lucky. Also, if you compare Campbell's performance in the second half of last years Giants game and the second half of this year's Philly and Cowboys games (disregarding the final possession in all cases) with Romo's performance in the Dallas Buffalo game, it's obvious that Campbell is better. Anyhow, bottom line is that football is all about wins and losses and Campbell hasn't won as many games as Romo because his coaching staff is inferior and he doesn't have TO which means he's better than Romo.

Wow, that's some pretty serious cherry picking. You take Campbell's best career performances with Romo's worst career performance and that's your evidence for arguing Campbell is better?

The truth is that it is way to early in both player's careers to know who is going to be the better QB. Romo does have a better offense to work with right now. But I wouldn't call it luck.

[Footballplayer1]

Romo is just plain lucky. Also, if you compare Campbell's performance in the second half of last years Giants game and the second half of this year's Philly and Cowboys games (disregarding the final possession in all cases) with Romo's performance in the Dallas Buffalo game, it's obvious that Campbell is better. Anyhow, bottom line is that football is all about wins and losses and Campbell hasn't won as many games as Romo because his coaching staff is inferior and he doesn't have TO which means he's better than Romo.


JC is by far the best in the NFC East. Romo is a flash in the pan, let's see him do it against good defenses once they have more tape on him. McNabb is finished, and Eli is just plain horrible. JC on the other hand is all potential, and while he doesn't have the numbers or performance to back it up yet, he's definitely the best because he's tall and he has a good arm. Football is all about potential, and while JC hasn't really accomplished anything, he's still young which means he's definitely going to.

Oh, and since JC has the worst playcalling in the division, he's obviously the best QB. That's just an obvious fact.

You aren't serious are you??? I can't imagine anyone coming up with more inane logic in my life. As an aside, these two posts by you had to be the most ridiculous posts I have ever read.

[Footballplayer1]

You aren't serious are you??? I can't imagine anyone coming up with more inane logic in my life. As an aside, these two posts by you had to be the most ridiculous posts I have ever read.Never mind I read some more of the posts in this thread, par for the course I guess carry on.:doh:

[Footballplayer1]

Considering he is the youngest and most inexperienced of the four, I'm ok with this. Just as someone said earlier, he hasn't really been given the opportunities that the other QB's have.He is a year and 8 months younger than Romo and 11 months younger than Eli, so it isn't like his age is really that much of an advantage if one at all. He has 4 fewer starts than Romo... He has been given opportunities, but either A) his coaches don't trust him B) his coaches are idiots and holding him back or C) some of you over rate his potential D) Both A and B


I think he is good, and tend to go with D. He does have trouble in games that I have watched with accuracy down field.

[One Shot]

It looks like JC is starting to prove you wrong, taylorcoreskin.

[BenchSeanGlennon]

The silliness in this threat is ridiculous. 80% of you completely overrate Campbell, the rest of you trash him completely. Yes, he is the worst QB in the division RIGHT NOW. This is also a division that has probably 4 of the top 9 QBs in the conference (with Favre, Hasselbeck, Brees, Garcia, and Kitna rounding out the rest... Bulger's not healthy). This doesn't say about Campbell's upside. He could potentially be a very good QB. He could also mire in mediocrity for the rest of his career. We don't know. But to say that, right now you would take Campbell over Romo, McNabb, or Eli to win you a football game tomorrow... you'd be making the wrong decision. Some of the logic I've seen here was retarded. Comparing Campbell's first 17 starts (half of which have come in his third year in the league) to Aikman who had one of the worst starts to a career in history is foolish. I can name probably 50 random no-names who have had a better first 10 starts than Aikman.

[Gigantor]

He is a year and 8 months younger than Romo and 11 months younger than Eli, so it isn't like his age is really that much of an advantage if one at all. He has 4 fewer starts than Romo... He has been given opportunities, but either A) his coaches don't trust him B) his coaches are idiots and holding him back or C) some of you over rate his potential D) Both A and B


or E) he's inaccurate, fumbles more than any other QB in the league and chokes when the game is on the line.

I think it's E.

[skinsfan07]

or E) he's inaccurate, fumbles more than any other QB in the league and chokes when the game is on the line.

I think it's E.

or F.

You are a closet Cowboys fan who is just hating.

[Gigantor]

Nice ad hominem attack. Just because I don't wear blinders and say it like it is, I'm suddenly a cowboys fan? Pleeeeeeeease...

[skinsfan07]

Nice ad hominem attack. Just because I don't wear blinders and say it like it is, I'm suddenly a cowboys fan? Pleeeeeeeease...

Let's not get into this discussion tonight.

All I know, is that if you can't at least see the progression JC ismaking every week, than you don't watch the games. If you can't see improvement in his game. Plain and simple.

[SearchHorizon]

Comparing quartersbacks is difficult and relatively meaningless ...

Many factors make this very difficult. The health of the offensive line (e.g., will Romo do well with the Skin's offensive line?), the specific scheme that is being run (e.g., will Romo do as well in Al Saunder's scheme, which has been complex enough to befuddle Brunell for a year), the WR we have, the amount of practice that QB is getting with the WRs, etc.

To me, what is important is whether the QB is making progress.

JC seems to be getting better in Saunder's offensive scheme, so I am relatively happy.

[Gigantor]

Let's not get into this discussion tonight.

All I know, is that if you can't at least see the progression JC ismaking every week, than you don't watch the games. If you can't see improvement in his game. Plain and simple.

JC was inaccurate the first two games and then I thought he corrected his mistakes against Detroit nicely, I was relieved. But then he regressed against the Giants. Then he corrected again and a good game against the Jets. Then he regressed. Then he corrected, then he regressed....

It's JCs inconsistency that's killing us. If you can't see that, you got blinders on.

Now, I like JC and know that he has what it takes, he just needs to step up and win us a game intead of loosing the game for us.

[THEHEREAFTER]

This is where I'd rank the NFCE QB's at this very moment.


1. Romo
2. Manning
3. McNabb
4. Campbell

[One Shot]

JC was inaccurate the first two games and then I thought he corrected his mistakes against Detroit nicely, I was relieved. But then he regressed against the Giants. Then he corrected again and a good game against the Jets. Then he regressed. Then he corrected, then he regressed....

It's JCs inconsistency that's killing us. If you can't see that, you got blinders on.

Now, I like JC and know that he has what it takes, he just needs to step up and win us a game intead of loosing the game for us.

Campbell actually didn't have a good game against the Jets. He had a good game against the Eagles and Cowboys, our last two games. He's thrown 5 TDs and 1 INT the past 2 games. And you can definitely tell that they've taken the handcuffs off him. I expect to see more good performances than bad performances the rest of the season.

However, I'm not expecting too much against Tampa Bay, they have a very good pass defense. We'll see. I'm expecting easy pickins against the Bears and Bills though.

[Footballplayer1]

Campbell actually didn't have a good game against the Jets. He had a good game against the Eagles and Cowboys, our last two games. He's thrown 5 TDs and 1 INT the past 2 games. And you can definitely tell that they've taken the handcuffs off him. I expect to see more good performances than bad performances the rest of the season.

However, I'm not expecting too much against Tampa Bay, they have a very good pass defense. We'll see. I'm expecting easy pickins against the Bears and Bills though.The guy has a point he is inaccurate deep, and his passes seem to be behind his rec a lot.

[taylorcoreskin]

This is where I'd rank the NFCE QB's at this very moment.


1. Romo
2. Manning
3. McNabb
4. Campbell

Close, but McNabb > Eli.

[taylorcoreskin]

or F.

You are a closet Cowboys fan who is just hating.

It's dismissive posts like this that make a site that's supposed to be about expression actually repressive. The guy should be able to give his opinion on JC without being dubbed a closet Cowboys fan. You'll be joining tr1 on the taylorcoreskin ignore list. Buh bye.

[Jumbo]

As an aside, these two posts by you had to be the most ridiculous posts I have ever read.

Some satire is slightly more refined than P42's.

[taylorcoreskin]

Campbell actually didn't have a good game against the Jets. He had a good game against the Eagles and Cowboys, our last two games. He's thrown 5 TDs and 1 INT the past 2 games. And you can definitely tell that they've taken the handcuffs off him. I expect to see more good performances than bad performances the rest of the season.

However, I'm not expecting too much against Tampa Bay, they have a very good pass defense. We'll see. I'm expecting easy pickins against the Bears and Bills though.

5 tds and 1 interception, but his average has been worse than the opposing QB in both those games, resulting in two losses. If we're going to win games, JC needs to get the higher average among the dualing QBs more often than not. He didn't do that against the eagles. He didn't do that against Dallas. That's why we lost.

[Jumbo]

The silliness in this threat is ridiculous.

Well, BenchSeanGlennon/BryanRandall, since having duplicate accounts and trying to get around your ban for being a Giants troll is against the silly rules, we'll just perma-punt you to some ridiculous thread on a Giants board. :)

booooooooom

shakalakalaka

[JaimeDeCurry]

5 tds and 1 interception, but his average has been worse than the opposing QB in both those games, resulting in two losses. If we're going to win games, JC needs to get the higher average among the dualing QBs more often than not. He didn't do that against the eagles. He didn't do that against Dallas. That's why we lost.

You have to account for both defenses, though. Remember, a QB only gets the ball into the hands of his playmakers. It's what they do with it that really counts. If our defense is letting wide receivers get wide open downfield *coughcoughTOcoughcough* and at the same time the other defense is keeping our receivers pretty well covered, and tackling well after the catch, then don't you think that might key into the QB differential? Maybe just a wee bit?

I mean, if our QB is a 7/10, and the opposing defense is an 8/10, you'd get a rating of .45 (overly simplified QB vs defense rating system). If their QB is also a 7/10, but our defense is a 6/10 instead of our opponents 8/10, then there would be a rating of .55. Your opponent's defense plays a huge role.

I mean, for a glaring example of that, look at the Bears last year. Grossman was never the best QB on the field in any game all year long, but his team still won games because his defense was limiting what the other team's playmakers could do.

JC has done a pretty good job this year, especially these past few games, of getting the ball to the playmakers. Their drops, fumbles, and inability to make things happen after the catch are what's costing this team, because injuries and poor play on defense are allowing other team's playmakers to take over. Ours need to start doing the same.

[taylorcoreskin]

You have to account for both defenses, though. Remember, a QB only gets the ball into the hands of his playmakers. It's what they do with it that really counts. If our defense is letting wide receivers get wide open downfield *coughcoughTOcoughcough* and at the same time the other defense is keeping our receivers pretty well covered, and tackling well after the catch, then don't you think that might key into the QB differential? Maybe just a wee bit?



I absolutely agree. Letting Romo and McNabb get an average of 10 yards was entirely on the defense. Hard to win games when the opposing QBs are averaging that kind of yardage per pass attempt. However, earlier in the season, our defense was dominating in the yards per pass attempt category. That's why despite defensive collapses against the pats, eagles and cowboys in the yards per pass attempt category, our D is still ranked 5th in passing average. So if our defense is going to struggle against the pass with taylor out and our awful defensive line, it's on Campbell to top that yard average. Let him go out there and average 11. Although the receivers are partly responsable for a teams yards per pass attempt, the brunt of it is on the quarterback. Now that the defense is in a rut, it's time for him to bail them out and win some games, just like they did for him earlier in the year.

[JaimeDeCurry]

I absolutely agree. Letting Romo and McNabb get an average of 10 yards was entirely on the defense. Hard to win games when the opposing QBs are averaging that kind of yardage per pass attempt. However, earlier in the season, our defense was dominating in the yards per pass attempt category. That's why despite defensive collapses against the pats, eagles and cowboys in the yards per pass attempt category, our D is still ranked 5th in passing average. So if our defense is going to struggle against the pass with taylor out and our awful defensive line, it's on Campbell to top that yard average. Let him go out there and average 11. Although the receivers are partly responsable for a teams yards per pass attempt, the brunt of it is on the quarterback. Now that the defense is in a rut, it's time for him to bail them out and win some games, just like they did for him earlier in the year.

I agree in principle, though I don't agree with you that JC is a sub-par quarterback. I truly think a lot of it has to do with the facts that A) we run a ton of 2-route plays with one checkdown, and B) our WRs just aren't very good. At least this season, anyway. Sure, ARE has matured into a true receiver pretty nicely, but Moss has fallen way off and Thrash isn't a gamechanger by any means. Lloyd is barely even worth mentioning.

The point I'm getting at, is that if other QBs are averaging 10 yards per pass play, that doesn't mean that it's neccessarily possible for Campbell to just buck up and make plays for an average of 11. If our receivers can't get open, Campbell can't get the ball to them. If we're only sending out 2 receivers, that means both of them can be double-covered (or at least bracketed), with a linebacker on our check down and they can still have 6 guys to either rush the passer or flood zones.

Honestly, I think JC is doing very well with what he has. It certainly isn't much. There are a lot of other things hampering this team right now. Injuries and lack of execution are why we've lost 5 games this season, not Campbell.


EDIT: And while it is true that we are ranked #5 in average passing yards per play, we are 24th in passing yards per game, 26th in passing TDs allowed, 19th in passing 1st downs allowed, and 20th in opposing QB rating. Pretty hard for Campbell to win the QB duel when your defense is allowing those kinds of numbers, especially as of late.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Crazy double-post.

[mistertim]

I absolutely agree. Letting Romo and McNabb get an average of 10 yards was entirely on the defense. Hard to win games when the opposing QBs are averaging that kind of yardage per pass attempt. However, earlier in the season, our defense was dominating in the yards per pass attempt category. That's why despite defensive collapses against the pats, eagles and cowboys in the yards per pass attempt category, our D is still ranked 5th in passing average. So if our defense is going to struggle against the pass with taylor out and our awful defensive line, it's on Campbell to top that yard average. Let him go out there and average 11. Although the receivers are partly responsable for a teams yards per pass attempt, the brunt of it is on the quarterback. Now that the defense is in a rut, it's time for him to bail them out and win some games, just like they did for him earlier in the year.

I think the main problem with this is that (unless the opposing defense you are playing is just being plain horrible and letting anyone get open) a QB really needs some playmakers who can get open downfield so he can get the ball to them. Campbell's WRs, for the most part, can't do that. Moss usually does it as a burner and just flat outrunning his coverage but he has been slowed by injuries all year. ARE is fast but doesn't always get very good separation and we already knew he wasn't a true #1 or #2 wideout.

Romo and Eli both have guys they can depend on to be able to get open (unless ST is in the game :cool: ). TO and Plax are both big, tall WRs who get separation and can go up and grab almost anything. They are also red zone terrors. If JC had a weapon like either of those guys I think his average would definitely be higher and he would have more TDs. That is why I'm hoping that either Mix works out or we draft a big talented WR in the 1st or 2nd rounds. We really really need it.

EDIT: Also see how having Marvin Harrison out has affected Manning.

[Shilsu]

The guy has a point he is inaccurate deep, and his passes seem to be behind his rec a lot.

This is the most mindboggling aspect.

Does anyone remember last year?

On his very first play of his very first start, he made a near-perfect pass to Brandon Lloyd. Not the easiest catch to make, but supposed to be an easy catch for a WR with Lloyd's salary. Through the rest of the season, Campbell hit perfect deep balls to Antawn Randle El, Santana Moss, and Chris Cooley. It was the deep ball that was his best aspect last year, as we were complaining he was missing on the simple intermediate routes.

This year, it's the exact opposite, and I don't know what the heck is going on. Thankfully, though, his deep attempts are looking much better the past two games, starting with James Thrash and ending with Santana Moss.

[mistertim]

This is the most mindboggling aspect.

Does anyone remember last year?

On his very first play of his very first start, he made a near-perfect pass to Brandon Lloyd. Not the easiest catch to make, but supposed to be an easy catch for a WR with Lloyd's salary. Through the rest of the season, Campbell hit perfect deep balls to Antawn Randle El, Santana Moss, and Chris Cooley. It was the deep ball that was his best aspect last year, as we were complaining he was missing on the simple intermediate routes.

This year, it's the exact opposite, and I don't know what the heck is going on. Thankfully, though, his deep attempts are looking much better the past two games, starting with James Thrash and ending with Santana Moss.

Obviously this is just a guess, but it might have something to do with him still adjusting to a quicker and slightly different throwing motion. He has been throwing with the same mechanics his whole career and then modified that in one offseason. It seems that he has been getting less air under his deep balls than last year...they are more line drives. This doesn't surprise me since his motion is quicker, but I'm not worried because he is still adjusting to it and recently seems to be getting more consistent again with his deep passes.

[TennCowboy]

1. Romo
2. McNabb
3. Manning
4. Campbell

[One Shot]

5 tds and 1 interception, but his average has been worse than the opposing QB in both those games, resulting in two losses. If we're going to win games, JC needs to get the higher average among the dualing QBs more often than not. He didn't do that against the eagles. He didn't do that against Dallas. That's why we lost.

Questionable. You could make the argument that JC lost us the Dallas game with his last minute INT.....but if you want to play that game, you can put the loss on our secondary, considering they gave up 4 TD passes to a single player.

As for the Philly game, once again, 3 TD passes, no INTs, and a completion percentage near 70% says enough. He isn't the reason we lost that game.

[Footballplayer1]

I think the main problem with this is that (unless the opposing defense you are playing is just being plain horrible and letting anyone get open) a QB really needs some playmakers who can get open downfield so he can get the ball to them. Campbell's WRs, for the most part, can't do that. Moss usually does it as a burner and just flat outrunning his coverage but he has been slowed by injuries all year. ARE is fast but doesn't always get very good separation and we already knew he wasn't a true #1 or #2 wideout.

Romo and Eli both have guys they can depend on to be able to get open (unless ST is in the game :cool: ). TO and Plax are both big, tall WRs who get separation and can go up and grab almost anything. They are also red zone terrors. If JC had a weapon like either of those guys I think his average would definitely be higher and he would have more TDs. That is why I'm hoping that either Mix works out or we draft a big talented WR in the 1st or 2nd rounds. We really really need it.

EDIT: Also see how having Marvin Harrison out has affected Manning.Is this Sean Taylor you all keep crying about the same one that Crayton reguarly abuses???

[burg&gold4life]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.


You may be in need of some medical attention after that statement..

[burg&gold4life]

Romo is on his way up.

JC is on his way up, way way up.

McNabb is on the way DOWN in his career ( If any QB in the East is in a system that should allow their numbers to soar it is Donovan.) I would have taken him 2 years ago, his best days are behind him.

Eli is .... well he is Eli he may improve some but I don't think he will be any more than 3rd best QB in the East. He could still win a SB but I do not think he will ever carry his team.

The next Decade is going to be the Romo VS Campbell decade. If I were a betting man I would bet that we get 6 SB champs out of these two in the next 10 years. This is going to be great to watch, either we will cry that we could have won more SB's if they didn't have Romo or they will cry that they could have had more if we didn't have JC... I hope they are the ones crying !

NE and Indy can have the other 4 starting with this year....

[mcarey032]

As much as I hate to say it, he is not better than Romo, at least not right now. However, I think that he is getting better than Eli. He is better than McNabb. I would say he is #2 right now. Had they won last Sunday he would have been solidly at 2, but I think he is between 2 and three.

[mistertim]

Is this Sean Taylor you all keep crying about the same one that Crayton reguarly abuses???

No, this is the Sean Taylor who destroyed Crayton and made him drop the ball on a 4th down play after we scored 2 in a row to beat Dallas in 05. The same Sean Taylor who TO has not ever had a 100 yard game against. The same Sean Taylor who Plaxico said is the main guy he hates having to line up against. Thanks for playing though.

[praise_gibbs]

You really think it is the QB?


Here i thought Taylorcoreskin understood the state of the Redskins. :doh: Do you really think Campbell is equal to Brunell? Stat wise, they could be considered comparable. However, are they really? Or, perhaps, it is these piss-poor babysitters/offfensive coaching staff that waters everything down?

Maybe, if we allow Campbell and this entire offense to be 'big-boys' and play like we belong to play football 'Up Here'? Instead of some toddlers just learning to walk? I am sure Saunders playbook is not the easiest thing to remember and understand but, I highly doubt it is equal to predicting the future or curing cancer. However, the way it is made out to seem.. it is actually the latter rather than the former.


I used to laugh at it but now, I am just embarrassed.


I am just hoping that last weeks game is a hint of what is in store for us the rest of the season but, I am not falling for that again.

[dizzinator53]

Eli is far better than JC. Campbell has never brought the team back in the 4th quarter to win games. He crumbles under pressure. There is not a single NFL GM who would go with JC over Eli. I would take Ramsey back over JC.

Is this Eli posting?

[SoCalSkins]

I think you need to step back from the internets and collect your thoughts for a minute before you make another post.



:laugh::laugh::laugh: laughable. Sheli sucks and only depends on Plax and Shocky to get him out of trouble.

JC is more mobile, and is younger and has more room to grow. How many years has it been with Ehli? Everyone keeps saying next year with that kid, but really I think he's stopped progressing.

JC starting in his first season is already better than Eli is in his what 4th? IMO



:doh:
Do you really think Eli would do better then Campbell would here?



you suck how are you a redskins fan?



I would take Jason over any QB in the NFC east.



wow...nominated for worst comment of 2007 so far....

im not being a homer, i liked jason in college beofre he became a redskin but that was by far the worst comment....

ELI? hahha oVER JASON? are u kidding me....u'll eat ur words when jason makes the pro bowl in the next several years....



are you crazy?



lol dude its not april fools so please...stop...ur makin me..... :laugh:



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Seriously, you better not mind eating those words because that is crazy talk.




Are you serious?!!?!?



You may be in need of some medical attention after that statement..


These were responses to my posting that I would take Eli over Campbell. Now that Eli is playing in the SB and Campbell went on a 1-5 run to fnish the year, I thought it would be appropriate to revisit some of these comments.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

My mind immediately went to this topic. It's clear that Jason is the worst of the starting QBs in the NFC East and at THIS IMMEDIATE stage he's not even the best on his team.

He has some serious work to do. And for the people who liked to bash Eli, this is not the first playoff appearance for Eli. He is mistake prone and inconsistent but he's in the SB and PLAYED WELL TO GET THERE and Campbell needed a 36 year old backup to come in and put his team in the playoffs. If Campbell had never gotten hurt, our 'tribute to Sean' season would have ended before the Dallas game.

[scruffylookin]

These were responses to my posting that I would take Eli over Campbell. Now that Eli is playing in the SB and Campbell went on a 1-5 run to fnish the year, I thought it would be appropriate to revisit some of these comments.

Hold grudges SoCal? :D

[Heisenberg]

These were responses to my posting that I would take Eli over Campbell. Now that Eli is playing in the SB and Campbell went on a 1-5 run to fnish the year, I thought it would be appropriate to revisit some of these comments.


I have always thought Eli was treated unfairly by just about everyone. Both because he plays in New York and because his last name is Manning.


With that said I wouldn't say that JC can't be as good if not better given a little more time and hopefully adding a legit #1 receiver . . . or at least a receiver with some size. At some point the organization really needs to address the lack off size at the WR position.

[applejaxs213]

My mind immediately went to this topic. It's clear that Jason is the worst of the starting QBs in the NFC East and at THIS IMMEDIATE stage he's not even the best on his team.

He has some serious work to do. And for the people who liked to bash Eli, this is not the first playoff appearance for Eli. He is mistake prone and inconsistent but he's in the SB and PLAYED WELL TO GET THERE and Campbell needed a 36 year old backup to come in and put his team in the playoffs. If Campbell had never gotten hurt, our 'tribute to Sean' season would have ended before the Dallas game.
u make some good points but your too harsh on jason. even if he is the worst qb in the division he is also the least experienced. give him more time with the same offensive coordinator and he wil improve greatly.

[IHOPSkins]

My mind immediately went to this topic. It's clear that Jason is the worst of the starting QBs in the NFC East and at THIS IMMEDIATE stage he's not even the best on his team.

He has some serious work to do. And for the people who liked to bash Eli, this is not the first playoff appearance for Eli. He is mistake prone and inconsistent but he's in the SB and PLAYED WELL TO GET THERE and Campbell needed a 36 year old backup to come in and put his team in the playoffs. If Campbell had never gotten hurt, our 'tribute to Sean' season would have ended before the Dallas game.I think we agree for the most part

But doesn't ELIs late emergence actually support the JC is the franchise argument?

NO MORE EXCUSSES JC

TC Schooled you........school is now out

Go JC

Go Skins

[RammsteinSkins]

1st no doubt

[elkabong82]

Rex Grossman played in last year's superbowl, was he the best QB in his division? Eli has done well enough these past few weeks, but let's not pretend he is all of a sudden the best QB in the division, or that he's light years ahead of JC.

[auburngirl_httr]

These were responses to my posting that I would take Eli over Campbell. Now that Eli is playing in the SB and Campbell went on a 1-5 run to fnish the year, I thought it would be appropriate to revisit some of these comments.

Given that Jason has only had 20 games starting and hasn't even started a full season (and didn't get to play with a healthy O-line for very long), I think he needs to get a bit more time.

I mean, would you have taken Eli in his first 20 games? You're comparing Eli now after 4 years in the league to a guy who hasn't even had a full season. It's apples and oranges.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Rex Grossman played in last year's superbowl, was he the best QB in his division? Eli has done well enough these past few weeks, but let's not pretend he is all of a sudden the best QB in the division, or that he's light years ahead of JC.

But one thing Eli has shown since starting is that he can lead a team from a deficit or down the stretch in a game. Don't get me wrong, he can blow a game totally or even make those critical late mistakes but he's consistently been able to lead his team down in deficit situations to win games.

The Giants D is not as good as that Bears D AND it doesn't have Hester. That team has to EARN more on offense than Grossman and the O had to do.

[SoCalSkins]

Given that Jason has only had 20 games starting and hasn't even started a full season (and didn't get to play with a healthy O-line for very long), I think he needs to get a bit more time.

I mean, would you have taken Eli in his first 20 games? You're comparing Eli now after 4 years in the league to a guy who hasn't even had a full season. It's apples and oranges.


Collins has started 20 NFL regular season games as well. He looked pretty good in the last 4 games he played in.

The way JC is playing, he will never get a full season because no coach will play him for a full year. Your argument will be valid for the next 10 years.

[Soup]

whether you guys like Campbell or not he will be on the team next year and probably the starting QB for the redskins. He's going to be given a chance to be the skins QB so live with it.

[elkabong82]

The way JC is playing, he will never get a full season because no coach will play him for a full year. Your argument will be valid for the next 10 years.

Over-exaggerate much? If you had your way, the Cowboys would have released Troy Aikman after his first 2 season. I understand you vindicating yourself in that you said Eli was good, and now he is in the Superbowl. But you have turned that into to petty bashing. Go root for the Eagles if you're going to come with that garbage. I mean, seriously, no coach will ever play JC for a full year? After just 20 starts? And you expect people to take you seriously. I bet you are in favor of hiring a GM and building through the draft. Yet you don't even have the patience to give JC more than a full season (which he technically hasn't had yet).

[SoCalSkins]

^^^^^

JC had a 2-5 streak in his first year starting and had 1-5 streak to finish his season this year. No coach will continue to play him if the team is putting up win/loss numbers like that. Particularly if Saunders is still here and Collins is on the roster.

JC is now a 4th year player, the whole he is still a rookie excuse no longer flies. Collins did far better having never started a game for Saunders prior to this year. Unless JC improves significantly, develops a desire to win when the game is on the line and puts the ball in his own hands when he can audible in crucial situations and stops crumbling under pressure, he won't be playing for long. All the crying in world in the locker room after his failures won't change the fact that he has to step up his play.

[DGreenistheBest]

For the record, Collins had success because the o-line stepped up, Portis stopped fumbling, and Moss and ARE stopped being injured and dropping passes. Has nothing to do with him being better than JC and only a fool would start Collins.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

You could be cute and say 5th with Todd Collins in the 4th spot.

[SoCalSkins]

For the record, Collins had success because the o-line stepped up, Portis stopped fumbling, and Moss and ARE stopped being injured and dropping passes. Has nothing to do with him being better than JC and only a fool would start Collins.


Th O line magically got better in the same game JC goes down. Receivers actually catch passes that are thrown in stride and not high over the middle where they can easily get hurt.

Saunders is such a fool because he preferred Collins over Campbell since. One of the best offensive minds in the NFL and he is a fool because he doesn't know which QB would run his offense better. When his guy wins 4 in a row in must win games, it had nothing to do with QB play.

[skinsfan1523]

If it wasn't for two late game picks and couple missed long bombs. JC would be considered the savior of the Redskins. Your judging him off two games. And he has led a 4th quarter comeback before against the Panthes in which he called his own play that went for a touchdown and a skins win, but I guess that doesn't count.

[QBSkin]

I would rate Campbell near the bottom not the bottom but very very close. Mcnab last. My 2 cents.

[thesubmittedone]

All the crying in world in the locker room after his failures won't change the fact that he has to step up his play.

Boy, statements like that just scream "I'm an *******, don't listen to a word I say".


He cried once. Give it a friggin break. He's a young, up and coming QB who made great strides in 07 and has a ton of potential. Even the media, who just can't wait to bash us in any way, have nothing but good things to say about Jason.

[dexter's manley]

1. Manning
2. Romo
2A. McNabb
4. Campbell

[wildbill1952]

As always, give the QB enough time and he looks like a hero. Make him run around to avoid getting crushed and he looks like a bum.

Bad O-L = bad offense. Whether it's injuries, poor personnel, or old age, a mediocre O-L makes everyone on the offense look bad. Put these same players behind an offensive line that's made up of young, big quick guards and tackles and suddenly everyone will be screaming that we have the next HOF QB.

Keep the same line as we ended the season, albeit one year older, or try to draft some second stringer in the 5th or 6th round and you end up with what we have now.

Feel free to blame JC or Gibbs or anybody and everybody. A good OL makes mediocre "skill players" look good. A mediocre or bad OL makes the offense bad.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

You could be cute and say 5th with Todd Collins in the 4th spot.

That's exactly what I said.

[JaimeDeCurry]

Boy, statements like that just scream "I'm an *******, don't listen to a word I say".

:laugh: +1

[redskins0756]

I think you need to step back from the internets and collect your thoughts for a minute before you make another post.

Wait wait wait...forgive me but who led the Giants to the Super Bowl?

[taylorcoreskin]

It's pretty incontestable that Jason Campbell is hands down the worst quarterback in our division.

[angel2]

I would take Eli in a second over JC.




Without a doubt. Eli has finally got his game together and you can feel that he's much more comfortable in his leadership role.

[stc85]

Eli is a very good QB, he is asked to run a pretty complex offense. Also, has had a number of games in which he has led his team in come from behind fashion for wins.

I also feel Jason Campbell has a very bright future, that game he played in Dallas this year was brilliant. As for most young QBs, turnovers are a problem and he needs to work on INT's, but I feel he will be a good QB. He kind of reminds me of a young Randall Cunningham.

Here is how I would rate them.

1. Eli Manning
2. Tony Romo
3. Donovan McNabb
4. Jason Campbell (youngest)