Is it possible for Marty II in DC? Merged

[bertoskins]

I know this is absurd, but given the situation of Gibbs II, we might take a look at Marty II in DC. With GW and Al as assistants.



I know Marty 1 has an 8-8 record, but during that time our team is complete mess, with LaVar and Banks as our star players. But now given our young talents. I think marty II can do wonders just like what he did when he restore glory to the lowly chargers.



I love marty, because his ability to lead his team to regular season and play offs. He a hardnose coach. And all the things he does always works in the regular season.



I know Danny will not permit this to happen once again. But maybe with Gibbs handpicking him will help Dannys decision.

[skinsfan07]

oh lord no...........

[Redskins Anonymous]

if somebody brings up a norv II or a Spurrier II, i'm going to become hostile

[MDSkinz47]

if somebody brings up a norv II or a Spurrier II, i'm going to become hostile

and I'll mend your wounds if anyone takes issue with your RIGHT REACTION!!!

No re-treads; after Gibbs leaves, let's get a young up & comer.

:cheers:

[FunBunch7]

Even if Daniel Snyder begged, I really don't think Martyy would come back here.

Not that I would want him to.

It is time for NEW 'head coaching" blood...like Russ Grimm...yeah, he was a HOG but he has never been a head coach and it's hard to say how a 1st time head coach will do if given the opportunity.

[Hailskins94]

Not at all.... That ended EXTREMELY ugly.

[Redskins Anonymous]

how about Richie Petitbon II? we could fire up the ouji board and have Lombardi II if that didn't work.

[909997]

Spurrier was a better coach then gibbs

if spurrier had this defense he would win 10-12 games.

[bertoskins]

but chargers fans now loves marty

[seanyt]

if somebody brings up a norv II or a Spurrier II, i'm going to become hostile

oh come on, lets play along, and we can get Mike nolan out of Frisco before York fires his butt...

[Stone Cold]

i will always cheer for my b&g but i would not be happy with any coaching change unless it involved a young up-and-comer....

i don't do retreads...really. :)

[fdarugar]

Spurrier was a better coach then gibbs

if spurrier had this defense he would win 10-12 games.

dude that is absurd...

[bertoskins]

young college coach = spurrier II

[skinsfan07]

Spurrier was a better coach then gibbs

if spurrier had this defense he would win 10-12 games.

If Spurrier had this whole team we would be 8-1 and I could say 9-0. Spurriers run and gun might have even beat the Pats. The team he had sucked.

Oh and as for the coach, I say bring in Urban Meyer or Jason Garrett. Keep Saunders as the OC and keep Williams as the DC.

[Rafterman]

Russ Grimm has been a NFL coach for 16 years and no owner has given him a shot at a Hc job.

There is a reason for that, HE"S NOT HC MATERIAL!

For God's sake, wake up to that fact!

END RANT

That said, it's time for Gibbs II to end and for Danny to to consult the Rooney's as to how to run an NFL franchise.

Yesterday made me physically ill.

[RammsteinSkins]

I know this is absurd, but given the situation of Gibbs II, we might take a look at Marty II in DC. With GW and Al as assistants.



I know Marty 1 has an 8-8 record, but during that time our team is complete mess, with LaVar and Banks as our star players. But now given our young talents. I think marty II can do wonders just like what he did when he restore glory to the lowly chargers.



I love marty, because his ability to lead his team to regular season and play offs. He a hardnose coach. And all the things he does always works in the regular season.



I know Danny will not permit this to happen once again. But maybe with Gibbs handpicking him will help Dannys decision.



it would be a good idea because 8-8 in the first season is very good considering our team, but i never see it happening

[JustAfan47]

Marty never got the time to do his magic

[bertoskins]

give marty a chance again, it will do wonders I guarantee you, he will built that OL and DL.

[Taylor4Life]

Marty never got the time to do his magic

I am so tempted to steal your sig, freakin hilarious dude.

[Stone Cold]

college football and nfl = apples and girlscouts

wow...please stop equating college "genius" to nfl success

[ZoEd]

i will always cheer for my b&g but i would not be happy with any coaching change unless it involved a young up-and-comer....

i don't do retreads...really. :)

I'm with you, look what Tomlin's doing in Pittsburgh. There's plenty of young coaches out there with something to prove that will lay it on the line each and every week. The coach needs to be just as hungary as the players. Can any of our coaches say that? Not saying they want to lose but are the hungary enough to do whatever it takes to win?

[Ji]

odds of our next choice

Bill Cowher 2-1
Jimmy johnson 5-1
Russ Grimm 10-1
Greg Williams 15-1
Eddie Jordan 500-1

[KSUskinfan]

Whomever the next coach will be after Gibbs retires, I'd like him to leave our offense intact, and allow Saunders to have full reign of the O. Marty would be too stubborn to allow Saunders to have full control of the playcalling, IMO, which is not unlike the situation we have right now.

:logo:

[SkinFan63]

if somebody brings up a norv II or a Spurrier II, i'm going to become hostile

Let me assist you. I have a Mossburg 12-guage shot gun, a shovel, and 2 acres behind my house!

[bertoskins]

Whomever the next coach will be after Gibbs retires, I'd like him to leave our offense intact, and allow Saunders to have full reign of the O. Marty would be too stubborn to allow Saunders to have full control of the playcalling, IMO, which is not unlike the situation we have right now.

:logo:



GW can do that.........leave the defense intact........and does not care what will Al saunders do to our turtle offense

[DieselPwr44]

If Spurrier had this whole team we would be 8-1 and I could say 9-0. Spurriers run and gun might have even beat the Pats. The team he had sucked. .

You just showed off what little football knowledge you've got.

You know why we'd be worse off with the OBC?? He'd be on his 3rd QB right now because both the starter and second string QB would be on IR.

The man knew jack squat about protecting the QB.

[mcarey032]

I liked Marty and thought that he got a raw deal. I doubt very sincerely that he would get a second shot. His protege' Bill Cowher might be the next redskins coach, but I don't know about Marty again. Marty did a lot to get this franchise back in order and he was unceremonially dropped for Spurrier who did worse than what Marty did. I wouldn't be opposed to it and I would welcome it, but extremely unlikely that it would happen again.

[WHALEN]

Spurrier was a better coach then gibbs

if spurrier had this defense he would win 10-12 games.
YOUR JOKING RIGHT?

[JustAfan47]

Lets go Jimmy!!

[JustAfan47]

Marty could be the new HC and Joe could be the new GM

[Rooblakas]

How bout one of the assistant coaches from the New England Patriots as a new Redskins Head Coach?

[Redskins Anonymous]

Let me assist you. I have a Mossburg 12-guage shot gun, a shovel, and 2 acres behind my house!

sounds like a Tarantino movie in the making

[Mooka]

I'm sure Marty is dying for the chance to work for Snyder again. :laugh: Not gonna happen man.



Spurrier was a better coach then gibbs

if spurrier had this defense he would win 10-12 games.
If Spurrier had this whole team we would be 8-1 and I could say 9-0. Spurriers run and gun might have even beat the Pats. The team he had sucked. What short memories we have.

[JustAfan47]

I think that the Wiggles should be are new HC!:D

[Redskins Anonymous]

I say we bring in the president of the arabian horse association

[Tom Sullivan]

I remember reading that Snyder and Schottenheimer get along pretty well now, but I doubt that there is any possibility of Schottenheimer returning although I admit that the Redskins really could do worse. As for Norv Turner, he's simply not head coaching material and it baffles me why the Raiders and Chargers didn't figure that out.

[Siven]

If Spurrier had this whole team we would be 8-1 and I could say 9-0. Spurriers run and gun might have even beat the Pats. The team he had sucked.

Oh and as for the coach, I say bring in Urban Meyer or Jason Garrett. Keep Saunders as the OC and keep Williams as the DC.

Great post. The run and gun needed slight tweaks, but it worked. Spurrier needed a GM to handle personnel decisions so he could focus on coaching.

Urban Meyer seems tantalizing but not as much as Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett is one of the most creative playcallers in the NFL. He is going to be an excellent head coach and I think it would be wise for us to pounce and give him the HC job.

[terpskins]

If we don't get a GM before we get a coach, get ready for more ****ty football..

[Bzapf]

Snyder would NEVER bring him back. Although I am not agianst the idea.

[skinsfan07]

You just showed off what little football knowledge you've got.

You know why we'd be worse off with the OBC?? He'd be on his 3rd QB right now because both the starter and second string QB would be on IR.

The man knew jack squat about protecting the QB.

I guess you're right but I do know football. I just think that if Spurrier was here and our o-line still blocked as well as it has been or had been (2005 season) then we'd be very good right now. Jason would be let loose and we'd get to see how good he really is.

[skinsfan07]

Great post. The run and gun needed slight tweaks, but it worked. Spurrier needed a GM to handle personnel decisions so he could focus on coaching.

Urban Meyer seems tantalizing but not as much as Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett is one of the most creative playcallers in the NFL. He is going to be an excellent head coach and I think it would be wise for us to pounce and give him the HC job.

I'd be estacic if we somehow found a way to lure him away from Dallas and come here. He would fully recognize JC's potential and use it to it's best. Like he has done with Romo.

And Portis would be even better b/c he'd be able to run out of a spread WR set formation which would allow more yards up the middle, thus more TD's.

[DieselPwr44]

I I just think that if Spurrier was here and our o-line still blocked as well as it has been or had been (2005 season) then we'd be very good right now.
But therein lies the problem.

Most of the lineman(Thomas,Jansen,Samuels and Dockery,the 2005 line) were here when Spurrier ran his Chuck and Duck offense.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

SOS was lost and we all knew it. Spurrier even knew he was way over his head when he walked away on his own. We were in a mess with Spurrier and his offense went backwards in 2003 instead of forward. Ramsey spent half of the game on his back.

I would not be against another shot with Marty. He finally got everyone to buy into his system by the halfway point and we were winning with a bad QB and no receivers.

I'm like others though. I would like for us to find a good up and coming asst. And no college coaches. Recruiting is 80% of college coaching success. We've seen already with Spurrier, Saban and even back in the 1970s, Lou Holtz the difference in college and pro coaching. Jimmy Johnson was pretty good, but look at the personel he had in Dallas. Any coach could have won a Super Bowl with that team. We saw in his stint in Miami(dolphins) that he wasn't the great coach he appeared to be in Dallas.

[ECU-ALUM]

Is it possible for Marty II?

Does "Hell" go with "no"?

Marty wouldn't comeback even if Snyder agreed to give him a stake in ownership.

[DieselPwr44]

. Jimmy Johnson was pretty good, but look at the personel he had in Dallas. Any coach could have won a Super Bowl with that team. .

Who do you think built that team JJ had in Dallas.

Hint: It wasn't Jerry.

[Riggo-toni]

Hell No!!!!

[Park City Skins]

Wasn't all that impressed with Marty 1. No thanks.

[SoCalSkins]

How about John Wooden? He is the greatest coach in sports history. He is only slightly older than Marty and Gibbs.

[Seabee1973]

Russ Grimm has been a NFL coach for 16 years and no owner has given him a shot at a Hc job.

There is a reason for that, HE"S NOT HC MATERIAL!

For God's sake, wake up to that fact!

END RANT

That said, it's time for Gibbs II to end and for Danny to to consult the Rooney's as to how to run an NFL franchise.

Yesterday made me physically ill.


A lot of assistants have that problem Herm edwards comes to mind not the greatest coach but gets the job done also Tony Dungy and Lovie smith were assistants for 10 plus years.

[Redskins Anonymous]

i think we should hire the patriots' camera guy

[ALLWORLD]

i think we should hire the patriots' camera guy

I don't think us KNOWING what the other team would do would be of any benefit to us. Since we are so ****ing hard headed in the red zone.

[Seabee1973]

Who do you think built that team JJ had in Dallas.

Hint: It wasn't Jerry.


Let me guess his first name was Jimmy and he sent herschal walker to the vikings for the biggest and dumbest trade of all time

[SoCalSkins]

Let me guess his first name was Jimmy and he sent herschal walker to the vikings for the biggest and dumbest trade of all time


The biggest and dumbest trade of all time was a 3rd pick for Brunell.

[Redskins Anonymous]

The biggest and dumbest trade of all time was a 3rd pick for Brunell.

don't forget the T.J. Duckett trade...

[voicekiller]

I hope not

[SkinsManNJ]

The coach I wouldn't mind seeing running this team would Mike Singeltary or maybe even find a coach out of the Tony Dungy coaching tree. Someone with fire like Mike Tomlin.
We just need a coach who can relate to players better and have enough balls to play to win or to dominate.

[ALLWORLD]

The biggest and dumbest trade of all time was a 3rd pick for Brunell.

Worse then the Ditka fiasco? For Ricky "420" Williams?

[SoCalSkins]

don't forget the T.J. Duckett trade...


I didn't. That was a direct result of the Brunell trade. If we don't trade for Brunell, he isn't starting in preseason against Cincy. He doesn't throw that pick and Portis doesn't need to make the tackle that resulted in his injury which made us bring in TJ.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Who do you think built that team JJ had in Dallas.

Hint: It wasn't Jerry.
I agree, but Herschel Walker was a great bargaining tool. Man did they fleece the Vikes in that trade.

[Vladimir L]

Spurrier had no QB and had no HB.

He only had Lav Coles. The line aside of Samuels was avg.

[SoCalSkins]

Worse then the Ditka fiasco? For Ricky "420" Williams?


Yes. Without Brunell, Gibbs reputation would not have been ruined. The blind devotion to that worthless exuse for a qb was the biggest downfall of Gibbs II. I honestly think without Brunell, we would have been in the SB in 2005. Without Brunell, we would have had a healthy CP in 2006.

[SonnyRules]

http://www.jillstanek.com/images/justsayno.jpg

[Vladimir L]

Marty went on a little wining streak and the team was tough.

Martyhowever messed up Michael Westbrooke progression.

He was finally coming around but Marty loved Garnder.

[SoCalSkins]

Marty went on a little wining streak and the team was tough.

Martyhowever messed up Michael Westbrooke progression.

He was finally coming around but Marty loved Garnder.


He also ran Deion out of town and talked down to Darrel lGreen.

[scruffylookin]

Let me guess his first name was Jimmy and he sent herschal walker to the vikings for the biggest and dumbest trade of all time

Still had to turn those picks into players. We had the same shot with the Ricky Williams trade and we failed miserably. That was the trade that should have launched us like the Walker deal launched Dallas.

Give credit when credit is due. The Vikings may have made a bonehead move, but Jimmy Johnson still had to make those picks.

As for Marty 2, thanks but no thanks.

I've grown slightly nostalgic for Marty's year of tough love, but I don't think I want him back at this point. If a coaching change is made, I want us to hire a freaking GM and then let him find a young and hungry coach with an innovative mind. Easier said than done I know but that's what I'm hoping for.

[moviedude25]

I'd accept Marty back in DC with the biggest open arms that I ever could possibly make. Marty had an 8-8 record, but was the leader who won 8 of his last 11 games. Marty lost the first 5 games of the year due to a stupid mutany by the players. We wouldn't have lost these games at the end with him at the helm or had all of these stupid problems. People get on Marty for not winning the Superbowl but the man is a proven winner. In San Deigo they are crying for letting him go. Marty would be a hell of a coach here but the reality is that our dumb ass owner ruined him ever coming back. Thanks alot Dan, sure was great we had to suffer through those Sperior years :( The worst mistake Snyder has made in his tenure as owner was dumping Marty. He wouldn't make that same mistake again.

[SoCalSkins]

Snyder will not bring in a GM. He had no say in decision making the year Marty was here and he got bored. That is why Marty was let go. No decent GM would ever want to work here the way Vinny does with Dan.

[CAMPBELL2MOSS4SIX]

I know this is absurd, but given the situation of Gibbs II, we might take a look at Marty II in DC. With GW and Al as assistants.



I know Marty 1 has an 8-8 record, but during that time our team is complete mess, with LaVar and Banks as our star players. But now given our young talents. I think marty II can do wonders just like what he did when he restore glory to the lowly chargers.



I love marty, because his ability to lead his team to regular season and play offs. He a hardnose coach. And all the things he does always works in the regular season.



I know Danny will not permit this to happen once again. But maybe with Gibbs handpicking him will help Dannys decision.






Stop playing Marty!!!

[RDSKNfaithfull]

If he never left I guarantee we wouldn't be the NFC East doormat that we are now:doh:

[redskins59]

If I were snyder, Marty would be our next head coach. What this team needs to do is win, no matter what. Screw superbowls. You can't get to the superbowl if you can't win the damn games. Marty IMHO has only been unlucky. He will win the superbowl if given another chance. He needs to be in the hall of fame when he retires.

[sellyoursol]

Holy f'ing crap. Brink Marty back? Good Lord.

Please, young, innovative blood. No retreads. I can accept the rebuilding period.

[Warhead36]

No more recycled old rehashes.

Go get someone young and fresh.

[Rdskns2000]

Russ Grimm has been a NFL coach for 16 years and no owner has given him a shot at a Hc job.

There is a reason for that, HE"S NOT HC MATERIAL!

For God's sake, wake up to that fact!

END RANT

That said, it's time for Gibbs II to end and for Danny to to consult the Rooney's as to how to run an NFL franchise.

Yesterday made me physically ill.


Russ almost had the Steelers job. Some say he had it and Goodell step in and told Rooney to hire Tomlin since it was Rooney who came up with the Rooney rule.

[Chief skin]

Marty and Richie Rich did not end well. A reconciliation is far fetched

[Ruggala]

Yea we should hire Marty back!!! We could even hire Norv Turner to clean the stadium after games......

[ALLWORLD]

Yea we should hire Marty back!!! We could even hire Norv Turner to clean the stadium after games......


Spurrier selling nuts, oh man I can smell 'em now!

[crank]

I would like to see Gibbs stay on to find his replacement and maybe we can find a good young coach that works with the players.

[Henry]

Spurrier was a better coach then gibbs

if spurrier had this defense he would win 10-12 games.

:doh: Spurrier had a BETTER defense than this and went 7-9.

Let's not make thing up because we are frustrated with our current coach.

[jamesbondman]

Besides a quarterback and a head coach...what this team needs and will NOT win until it gets it...is a defense. If you cannot stop people you cannot score.

This team needs a pass rushing defensive end....and defensive tackle who can stuff people up the middle....and an outside linebacker who can tackle and blitz. Forget all those safeties and corners we keep drafting because we have been doing that for 15 years to no avail.

It all starts up front and the game ends up front. I have been talking this way for 15 years and nobody listens....as evidenced by the Skins continued losing seasons while they merrily merrily merrily paddle down the stream picking up corners and safeties.

[APBT]

I know this is absurd, but given the situation of Gibbs II, we might take a look at Marty II in DC. With GW and Al as assistants.



I know Marty 1 has an 8-8 record, but during that time our team is complete mess, with LaVar and Banks as our star players. But now given our young talents. I think marty II can do wonders just like what he did when he restore glory to the lowly chargers.



I love marty, because his ability to lead his team to regular season and play offs. He a hardnose coach. And all the things he does always works in the regular season.



I know Danny will not permit this to happen once again. But maybe with Gibbs handpicking him will help Dannys decision.






"Marty ball" = Joe Gibbs 2.0, scared ball = -q + (-q)= 0

[GamaGoliath]

If Spurrier had this whole team we would be 8-1 and I could say 9-0. Spurriers run and gun might have even beat the Pats.




:doh: :no:

[Veretax]

I'll be honest I'd like fresh fresh blood.

I'd take Cowher, if not Greg Williams, I'd go looking for some other former Skin player (Surely we have SOMEONE that would love the Job) Otherwise go tug on Pete Carrol's door bell, go rap on Les Miles door. Send Redskins 1 for Rich Rodriguez, and while were at it, let's add a minority candidate to the mix, how about Doug Williams? He coached in college a bit at Grambling. Let's do Something to spice this thing thing up. shake it up reall good and come up with something knew!. If Williams wants to go then fine, I'd try to retain Saunders if we can though.

[ECU-ALUM]

Snyder will not bring in a GM. He had no say in decision making the year Marty was here and he got bored. That is why Marty was let go. No decent GM would ever want to work here the way Vinny does with Dan.


No doubt....we will get a GM about five minutes before the end of the world.

[ECU-ALUM]

Spurrier selling nuts, oh man I can smell 'em now!

Terry Robeski working in the ticket office...perfect!

[Dccat]

I love Joe and want him to remain with the team. as PRESIDENT. I'm not opposed to Gregg Williams becoming HC after Joe, so this is just a thought. What do you all think? We won't get him with Vinny here tho.

[paige3girl]

ew. no.

I want someone fresh...he doesn't have to be young but I want someone new.

[Audible_Red40]

MIght want to search and/or discuss here.........

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221623&highlight=marty

[CGSKINS]

NO NO NO

But they can Hire me as GM. Ya'll think I'm joking.

I would turn this s*** around.

[Boss_Hogg]

I don't want him back

[BawlCoach]

Ya, who'd want to have another coach based on history?

[jimster]

Not to be mean, but I didn't want him the first time.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

i wouldnt mind marty at all, because that would mean vinny gets the boot! and schottenheimer is a good coach, he just doesnt do well in the playoffs. and face it, he got really unlucky last year, and the patriots always have EVERYTHING fall their way.

[Stophovr6]

No spanks. I want a young coach. One with fire and desire. One that is fighting for a chance to prove himself.

[pjfootballer]

Just say no to Martyball. I'd rather get a young, innovative asst. coach/coordinator.

[CAMPBELL2MOSS4SIX]

man if gibbs 2 didnt work you really think marty 2 would work?

[HogLife4Ever]

3rd and long.....I'll pass......no wait it's the Skins, I'll run and run and run. Wasnt a fan of Marty when he was here before, bring in some fresh meat.

[TankRizzo]

I didn't want him to leave the first time :(

[DGreenistheBest]

No. That ship has sailed.

[USS Redskins]

I loved Marty - not that I want him now - but I often wonder what would have happened in Year 2... hell, they won with Tony Banks as the QB! They had a good line and a great runner, in Davis.....

[Taylor4Life]

It's too late to bring Marty back. Too much bad blood between the Schottys and the Danny Boy. I have a feeling, though, had he stuck around we may have had more than one trip to the playoffs in the last five seasons.

You know, it's amazing to me how incompetent our front office and ownership is when you look at their past blunders. They kind of remind me of American Idol rejects who are really passionate about wanting to succeed, and show up year after year only to get laughed off of the stage by the judges.

[Meatsnack]

Seriously, have you ever watched Schottenheimer coached teams? You know, the Marty Schottenheimer of one heartbreaking playoff melt-dowm after another? The ones so bad they have one name like "Madonna" or "Beckham"? The Drive? The Fumble? The 14-2 one and done Chargers of last season? No Marty, No how.

Pete Carroll? I will assume you are not old enough to have seen his last two attempts at being an NFL head coach but lets just say that he makes the soon to be unemployed Marvin Lewis look really good.

Steve Spurrier?!? Uhh...OK, look, I concede that Danny shafted Steve in the sense that Spurrier only agreed to come here if Danny hired him an experienced GM. This because Steve admitted he knew nothing about pro player personnel or the draft. But, the results speak for themselves. The guy was uninterested in working hard enough or adjusting what he did enough - even when it was clear it didn't work in the NFL. The working definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results each time. It is also a good working definiftion of a bad coach.

If and when Coach Gibbs decides to step down, put me down for Josh McDaniels, the OC for the Pats. Then we'll see Jason Campbell in full-on attack mode.

[jamesbondman]

no thanks. Bill Cower needs a shot.

[Chief skin]

Richie Rich has burned that bridge. Sad part is I did not want Marty the first time but, he had this team heading in the right direction and got rid of useless weight that is Vinny. Really think we need a QUALITY GM (real football guy)AND LET HIM PICK HIS COACH. The same way Bobby did it many years ago

[ldysknzfn1]

Pass on this. No more "Marty-ball" for me tyvm. I'd like to see someone new and untainted..lol

[ntotoro]

No more retreads.

[Riggo-toni]

HELL NO!

How many times is this gonna get posted. Schotferbrains hasn't won a playoff game in a dozen years. He had the most talented team in the NFL last year and did his usual one and done. He couldn't even win with Montana and Marcus Allen in the backfield. What is it about an 8-8 season that makes everyone so nostalgic? The guy finished the year going 3-3 once we were back in contention. He sucks, get over it.

[Hitnskins]

I Wish! Marty Wins.....nuff Said!!!!

[stwasm]

I want someone with a wide variety of knowledge on TODAY's NFL patrolling our sidelines and overseeing our player-evaluation process. The way the organizational structure is today, we'll never have a successful on-field product.

[Chump Bailey]

man if gibbs 2 didnt work you really think marty 2 would work?


Marty didn't have three plus seasons in order to find out though. He went from losing five straight to a .500 record with Tony Banks as the starting QB I think. I'm not advocating bringing him back, but it's not really fair to compare Gibbs II to Marty without each having played a comparable number of seasons.

[Riggo-toni]

Need I remind everyone the big part of Schothead's demands was to remain as GM as well as coach. Our '01 draft he ran was the WORST since Snyder took over. Everyone was a bust except Smoot. Rod Gardner, Mario Monds....

He cut Larry Centers and gave a mega contract to 3rd string yes-men scrubs like Kevin Lockett and Donnell Bennett. The only reason Herr Marty did well in SD is because Butler and AJ Smith put together fantastic rosters and raped NY and Atlanta in brilliant trade deals. Don't you think Gibbs would go far if he had a team with Brees or Rivers at QB, LT at RB, and Gates at TE?

[CM916]

I Wish! Marty Wins.....nuff Said!!!!

Not when it really counts.

[skinsn24]

Marty was a dick when he was here but he had things going the right way. He ended the season 8-3. This was with Tony Banks at QB!!

He was battling Dan the whole time and tried to make a point in the draft, it failed.

Since then he went to SD and changed his ways. He let the GM do his job and even allowed the team to throw the ball.

I would love to get marty back.

[Riggo-toni]

I Wish! Marty Wins.....nuff Said!!!!

Wins what, exactly?

Are we so desperate and forlorn we'll settle for a better regular season record knowing we'll never win another playoff game? Even though the Eagirls get to the NFC finals, we mock them for never winning the big one; yet Schothead can't win even a single one after the regular season ends.

[Dccat]

MIght want to search and/or discuss here.........

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=221623&highlight=marty


Sorry been out of the country.

[Dccat]

No spanks. I want a young coach. One with fire and desire. One that is fighting for a chance to prove himself.


Hey I live and Atl and see what Petrino is doing I dont want that for us.

[Bishop Hammer]

Just say no to Martyball. I'd rather get a young, innovative asst. coach/coordinator.

I wouldn't wager on that happening. Snyder always wants to hire the big name pick up, he is totally unwilling to take a chance on an unproven guy who doesn't already have a winning track record.

[Skinsfan1311]

The San Diego fans probably want Marty back....

[Bishop Hammer]

HELL NO!

How many times is this gonna get posted. Schotferbrains hasn't won a playoff game in a dozen years. He had the most talented team in the NFL last year and did his usual one and done. He couldn't even win with Montana and Marcus Allen in the backfield. What is it about an 8-8 season that makes everyone so nostalgic? The guy finished the year going 3-3 once we were back in contention. He sucks, get over it.

It's funny how so many Skins fans are talking about "winning the Superbowl" when our beloved team can't even make the playoffs in consecutive seasons.

I think it is going overboard to criticize a coach who can make the Skins a respectable team and bring them to the post-season on a regular basis for not being able to win the big one, Especially, considering that the Redskins have only made the playoffs twice in fifteen years.

After they do make the playoffs the team is always uprooted by eliminating key players (Brad Johnson) and new players are brought in which disrupts the chemistry of the previous roster.

Say what you want to about Marty not being able to lead us to the promise land but at least he can bring a team to within seeing distance of it. Something us Skins fans might have to wait a while to even dream of.

[TheItalianStallion]

I'd like to see Saunders as the next HC. Williams never makes adjustments.

[moviedude25]

Marty would rock here but he aint coming back here no matter what.

[ucfSKINS]

Spurrier was a better coach then gibbs

if spurrier had this defense he would win 10-12 games.

hahahahaha...thats a joke, right. i mean, your joking aren't you? We could have the best defense in the history of the NFL and Wuerfel to Jacobs would still be the worst idea ever. But you, you're a funny funny guy.

[dutch44]

I may be wrong, but in the post season, Marty has a losing record. If im right, what good would it do to have him coach this team!!!! Didnt he coach the chargers to the best record in the league that year, and didnt even make it thru the playoffs that year...Marty has never been a good playoff coach

[SoCalSkins]

I may be wrong, but in the post season, Marty has a losing record. If im right, what good would it do to have him coach this team!!!! Didnt he coach the chargers to the best record in the league that year, and didnt even make it thru the playoffs that year...Marty has never been a good playoff coach


Getting to the playoffs with the best record in football would be such a bad accomplishment here.

[pjfootballer]

I wouldn't wager on that happening. Snyder always wants to hire the big name pick up, he is totally unwilling to take a chance on an unproven guy who doesn't already have a winning track record.

This is why I don't want Marty back. No more retreads. Please see below.


HELL NO!

How many times is this gonna get posted. Schotferbrains hasn't won a playoff game in a dozen years. He had the most talented team in the NFL last year and did his usual one and done. He couldn't even win with Montana and Marcus Allen in the backfield. What is it about an 8-8 season that makes everyone so nostalgic? The guy finished the year going 3-3 once we were back in contention. He sucks, get over it.

[No_Pressure]

No to Marty. Nobody has choking in the playoffs down to a science like that guy.

[Dirtbag 28]

How about just enjoying the Gibbs II thing, Marty will never come back here and I dont want him too. I like Gibbs and I believe he will be here next year and I believe that we will do EXTREMELY well with Chad Johnson added to the team!:applause: :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck

[cnhnyy]

Who will Danny hire the next?

Lets look at who he picked: Marty, Spurrier, Gibbs. These are well-known coaches and winners before coming to Redskins. Forget Russ Grim, Ron Rivera, Josh Daniels or even Jason Garrett (unless c'girls win SB). We are not going to hire a Mike Tomlin type. It is just not flash enough for Danny.

Danny's Choices:

1. Cowher at 6 M/y
2. Cowher at 8M/year
3. Cowher at 10M/year

[Dirtbag 28]

no no no no no no and no!

[NewAgeSkins]

I wouldn't wager on that happening. Snyder always wants to hire the big name pick up, he is totally unwilling to take a chance on an unproven guy who doesn't already have a winning track record.


see Spurrier, Steve (absolutely 0 coaching experience in the NFL).

[drowland]

He also ran Deion out of town and talked down to Darrel lGreen.

He didn't run Deion out. Deion just didn't want to go through a tough TC after Norv's Club Med camp.

And as for Green, all I remember Marty doing was going up to him and trying to coach him on some technique and Green got offended. That's just the way Marty is. He treats vets the same as rookies. And to he honest, if Green didn't want to be coached then he needed to retire.

[dutch44]

deion never should have been here imo, he didnt want to break a fingernail by tackling the ball carrier. when it was time to take on olinemen on a running play, he ran like the little cowbitch he was... marty had his chance to win a sb with the chargers. we all know how well he did with that team ... marty ball, has ''no balls'' in the post season!!!

[drowland]

Russ almost had the Steelers job. Some say he had it and Goodell step in and told Rooney to hire Tomlin since it was Rooney who came up with the Rooney rule.

That's BS. Probably started by some racist Pittsburgh fan. Rooney wouldn't of hired Tomlin unless he thought he was the #1 guy. If you look at Rooney's track record you'll see he's not afraid to take a chance on a young, not all that well known coach. Cowher was about the same age and only had 1 year as a DC when Rooney hired him. Tomlin the same. The easy thing to do would of been staying within the team and giving Grimm or Whisenhunt the job. But it's obvious he saw more potential in Tomlin and went for it.

Besides, Grimm's interviewed for 3 or 4 HC jobs the last few years and hasn't gotten any. Maybe there's a good reason he's been passed on.

[dutch44]

marty is good enough to get to the playoffs,if you want to get to the sb leave marty where he is and look for someone that can get past the playoffs... imo this or anyother team will never get to the sb with marty as its hc

[Horatio]

The Redskins need to stop digging into the past and sign a young, hungry coach who has not yet been a head coach. They haven't done this since they signed Joe Gibbs the first time in 1981. Petitbon was elevated from the ranks, Turner wasn't exactly young and certainly not hungry, Marty is old and sucks in the playoffs, Spurrier is just a college whiz-kid, and then we get Gibbs back without any of his old fire.

[redskins59]

You guys are talking about the superbowl when we can't even get to the playoffs. All I know is we need a coach who can consistently get us to the playoffs. My choice would be either Marty Schottenheimer or Bill Cowher. Winning the superbowl ain't easy. One superbowl in 15 years is actually a great achievement.

[Redskins4ever]

Schottenheimer was the best coach we had between the time Gibbs retired and when he returned. He just got off to a bad start. Stephen Davis and Michael Westbrook did okay in the westcoast offense.

But I don't think Marty will ever come back to Washington. Why would he come back? That wouldn't be wise. He was a huge part of the four coach debacle in four seasons before Gibbs replaced Spurrier.

[dutch44]

it seems we'll never agree on Martyball,one thing we do agree on is we want this team to get back to the SB. GIBBS1 did it after 3 seasons.. MARTY has done it after how many seasons???? The point is if all of REDSKINS nation wants to get back to the SB Marty II is gonna make it happen in how many seasons????????

[redskins59]

One more time, why are you guys worried about "choking in the playoffs" when we can't even get to the playoffs in the first place. I rather see a winning record instead of a season of mediocrity. I don't mind going 14-2 and losing in the playoffs. How about a solid team for a change? We have been a losing team for years now. Let's get to the playoffs first and then talk about the superbowl.

[ddub52]

Danny wouldnt let this happen... and Saunders offense is completely different than martys style

[BuryYourDuke]

If Spurrier had this whole team we would be 8-1 and I could say 9-0. Spurriers run and gun might have even beat the Pats. The team he had sucked.

Oh and as for the coach, I say bring in Urban Meyer or Jason Garrett. Keep Saunders as the OC and keep Williams as the DC.

:doh: Really? And what would be the point of keeping Al Saunders if we hire Jason Garrett? I can't believe anyone would ever say such a thing about Spurrier.

[SkinFan63]

I know this is absurd, but given the situation of Gibbs II, we might take a look at Marty II in DC. With GW and Al as assistants.



I know Marty 1 has an 8-8 record, but during that time our team is complete mess, with LaVar and Banks as our star players. But now given our young talents. I think marty II can do wonders just like what he did when he restore glory to the lowly chargers.



I love marty, because his ability to lead his team to regular season and play offs. He a hardnose coach. And all the things he does always works in the regular season.



I know Danny will not permit this to happen once again. But maybe with Gibbs handpicking him will help Dannys decision.





Never happen.

[fwo40]

Can we hire someone under 60?

Please?

Thanks.

[whatmeworry]

odds of our next choice

Bill Cowher 2-1
Jimmy johnson 5-1
Russ Grimm 10-1
Greg Williams 15-1
Eddie Jordan 500-1




I honestly would like to see Johnson but not as head coach but as a GM. Say what you want but the man knows football talent.

[tcb26]

I will say this, he did more with less than any other coach since????? You tell me..Gibbs 1.0

[2006Skins]

People always want an up and comer until they got it. When they get it they'll want an experienced coach who knows what he's doing...

If Gibbs II does fail I would be all for Marty II. The guy, though he's had questionable decisions in the past is one of the best coaches in the league and can make a winner of any team.

[Kosher Ham]

I would rather Marty than Cowher.

[Taylor 36]

Funny thing is, Marty ball is very similar to Gibbs style, yet people think Gibbs style is outdated. Marty just took a team to a 14 - 2 record in a much harder conference with smash-mouth football.

[theTruthTeller]

And when Snyder looks MS in the eye and tells him "I'm not expecting you to get this turned around in one year", do you think MS will buy it?

The Skins have a better chance of signing Parcells to be linebackers coach then they do of signing MS to be head coach.

[Henry]

One more time, why are you guys worried about "choking in the playoffs" when we can't even get to the playoffs in the first place. I rather see a winning record instead of a season of mediocrity. I don't mind going 14-2 and losing in the playoffs. How about a solid team for a change? We have been a losing team for years now. Let's get to the playoffs first and then talk about the superbowl.

Since Gibbs' last playoff win in 1992, it took him exactly two seasons to get another playoff win.

Since Marty's last playoff win in 1993, he's coached 11 seasons and hasn't won another one.

11 seasons. Not one playoff win. Let that sink in for a moment.

Now, you may argue that at least he GETS to the playoffs a lot, right? Well, not really.

Of those past 11 seasons in which Marty failed to win a playoff game, his teams have only GONE to the playoffs 5 times. That's less often than every other year. If Gibbs somehow gets us into the playoff this year, he's doing better than Marty.

And Marty's teams since that 1993 playoff win (eleven seasons) have only won more than 9 games four times. It's not like he builds perennial contenders every year. And when he does finally build one, it embarrasses itself in the playoffs. Every. Single. Time.

No thanks.