Has Gibbs' fear rubbed off on Saunders and GW?

[akorn22]

When GW first coached with gibbs, his defense was stout for the first 2 years. He devised a very rough and physical scheme that pressured quarterbacks. I remeber how pumped up gregg williams was his first game as a skin. I remember us facing the buccaneers and I remember him absoutely pounding Brad Johnson. i remember Matt Bowen coming in untouched and crushing the quarterback. I remember a defense that pressure receivers and never gave them short yardage. I also remember the chiefs that were run by Vermiel and Saunders. i didn;t follow the chiefs that closely, but I rember a dominant offense.

We all have heard Gibbs' press conferences. We all know how he is scared sh*tless of every team in the league no matter how bad of a team they are. We also watched our defense go from a physical , agressive defense, to a soft, defense that lets up 32 points to the 3-5 (now 4-5) eagles, and 300+ yards to a jets team with a VERY inexperienced qb that averaged something like 270 yards per game. Has Gibbs' humility and fear rubbed off on GW and AS? Why doesn;t williams ever get hyped anymore? Why do we all of a sudden give qb's 5-10 seconds in the pocket? Why did our defense get better players, yet drop from a top tier defense to a mediocre defense?

Why is our offense, with all the weapons in the world unable to move the ball downfield at will against every team?

[IrepDC]

You forgot to add Campbell to the list. Joe Gibbs is molding him into Brunell 2.0(not the Brunell from the Jags).

[chrisc0015]

This is a very good point, Joe Gibbs' conservatism might be hindering both offense and defense. Who knows though, but something has got to change if we want to make the playoffs this year.

We've only beaten one team with a winning record, and the other four have all been real close games... we're clearly not doing well with our current strategy, its time for a change.

[akorn22]

You forgot to add Campbell to the list. Joe Gibbs is molding him into Brunell 2.0(not the Brunell from the Jags).

Good point. But i sure hope it doesn;t happen

[eljeasel]

Every coach will come out in a conference and say "they are a dangerous team" cause its true. Every team can blow a win, weve seen that. Bellicheck, Dungy, Parcells, Noll all said that. Its the attitude you must take so you can study a team's weaponry.

Our offense struggled cause theres a ton of injuries. Receivers couldnt take reps with JC. We lost half our line so we struggled in the run game. And as far as Gibbs calling plays, early on it was Saunders calling runs to the outside, hitches, WR screens, sweeps, RB direct snaps and all that other rinky dink crap. The last couple of games Gibbs took back more of the playcalling and guess what? we moved the chains.

Saunders and his encyclopedia playbook doesnt work. "But he did well in KC"
Pro Bowl Level QB Trent Green, Top 3 TE of all time Tony Gonzalez, Best RB of his era Priest Holmes, plus a dope line. He could have ran anything and it would have worked. Those pieces worked together and learned to play together. Here, that stuff wont work because our pieces are either hurt, or still in the feeling out phase. That being said, I dont like his style and it sounds like the team doesnt either. The players had a meeting and came to gibbs and told him we want to run certain plays and not the hitches, and runs to the outside. We turn around and run over the Jets and sustain that running game against the eagles and add in a passing attack. Saunders plays couldnt move the chains. Cooley doesnt false start and Thrash catches another TD in the redzone and you monkeys are singing a different song. Betts doesnt fumble his only carry and we score on that drive too. Your boy GWill doesnt give up a 57 yard screen pass and we win by 2 scores.

Greg Williams is overrated. He got real full of himself and started thinking it was his schemes and not his players. Let Stoutmire go. Let Harris go. Lost some other pieces too but couple that with Lavar leaving? His defense turned into doo-doo. This year he pulls in a new LB, a new corner, and a new safety and magically his defense is good again. If the front four didnt play inspired football hed be looking more like the "house blitzing" idiot he is. More injuries to the secondary and we are soft again. I hope hes the first coach to leave.


Fear? No Balls? Why did Gibbs come out of retirement? He could only hurt his legacy. That takes guts. He didnt care about tarnishing his legacy. He was sick of seeing idiots like Norvall, Cerrato, and the Head Ball Coach destroy what he built.
Rant over

[Mooka]

It wasn't all roses in 2005, when we were 5-6 people were screaming for Gregg Williams to be fired. What you're talking about in lack of pressure is what we were talking about then.