You Have To Be Proud.....

[kentuckyskinsfan]

Coach Joe Gibbs is one of the classiest gentleman bar none. If you have not watched the 34 min. interview on the game, you will see how a true Hall of Famer reacts to all of the hard direct questions the media has thrown at him. Coach Gibbs handled the questions with professionalism, class, and did not give political answers. I think everyone now has had a night to sleep on it and realize how hard our team plays as a team and how important the twelfth man is in backing both Coach and players. Hail to the Redskins and Hail to future victories.

[TheDarb]

I love Joe Gibbs, but it just ain't working. I finally admitted that to myself today.

[redskinsbandnerd]

I will say that he seems to be a wonderful human being and good Christian man. That, at least, deserves merit.

[bulldog]

Doc Walker is correct. At some point there has to be an intersection between effort and achievement. You can't watch a team suffer this many penalties and failures in execution game after game and essentially year after year and chalk it all up to bad luck, injuries or bad calls by the refs.

Gibbs gets credit for keeping the team together. There really hasn't been any dissension in the ranks.

At the same time, perhaps things are a bit too cozy in re the mistakes? That was a point John Riggins made a couple of weeks ago.

On defense that's the third time this season avoidable penalties continued drives and helped contribute to the demise of the Redskins. That opening drive touchdown for the Eagles ended up being the difference in the game points wise.

On offense, this team has been in transition seemingly the entire period Gibbs has been back. In 2004, Brunell had a dead arm. Portis ran the ball but the plays weren't to his liking and he suffered through a 3.6 yard average. In 2005, Brunell had a bounceback season and Portis/Moss had career years. Then before anyone had a chance to savor a rare playoff appearance, Gibbs fired himself as the offensive coordinator, hired Al Saunders and then watched as Mark Brunell at age 36 finally suffered the one injury, the torn labrum, that effectively ended his NFL career. Portis and Moss were injured in 2006 and again going into 2007. The team is starting over with Jason Campbell but it appears as if the staff has been holding back in giving Jason a chance to learn and grow, because of the fear of losing games due to turnovers. Who failed to get the memo that this team as constituted isn't going to be headed to the Show in January? :)

[dlwredskins]

Coach Joe Gibbs is one of the classiest gentleman bar none. If you have not watched the 34 min. interview on the game, you will see how a true Hall of Famer reacts to all of the hard direct questions the media has thrown at him. Coach Gibbs handled the questions with professionalism, class, and did not give political answers. I think everyone now has had a night to sleep on it and realize how hard our team plays as a team and how important the twelfth man is in backing both Coach and players. Hail to the Redskins and Hail to future victories.


I agree...that just proves other things that we as fans only see the game and end result, there is alot that goes into coaching you have to make snap decisions all of them aren't going to be perfect. I still say Gibbs did not false start when we had an easy score, nor was it him who is 280 plus pounds and couldn't push for 36 inches or less...come on! We wanted the playbook opened up we got that so everyone should give Joe a break.

[dlwredskins]

Doc Walker is correct. At some point there has to be an intersection between effort and achievement. You can't watch a team suffer this many penalties and failures in execution game after game and essentially year after year and chalk it all up to bad luck, injuries or bad calls by the refs.

Gibbs gets credit for keeping the team together. There really hasn't been any dissension in the ranks.

At the same time, perhaps things are a bit too cozy in re the mistakes? That was a point John Riggins made a couple of weeks ago.

On defense that's the third time this season avoidable penalties continued drives and helped contribute to the demise of the Redskins. That opening drive touchdown for the Eagles ended up being the difference in the game points wise.

On offense, this team has been in transition seemingly the entire period Gibbs has been back. In 2004, Brunell had a dead arm. Portis ran the ball but the plays weren't to his liking and he suffered through a 3.6 yard average. In 2005, Brunell had a bounceback season and Portis/Moss had career years. Then before anyone had a chance to savor a rare playoff appearance, Gibbs fired himself as the offensive coordinator, hired Al Saunders and then watched as Mark Brunell at age 36 finally suffered the one injury, the torn labrum, that effectively ended his NFL career. Portis and Moss were injured in 2006 and again going into 2007. The team is starting over with Jason Campbell but it appears as if the staff has been holding back in giving Jason a chance to learn and grow, because of the fear of losing games due to turnovers. Who failed to get the memo that this team as constituted isn't going to be headed to the Show in January? :)


I agree at the time we didn't need Saunders and if we were going to keep Jurassic Mark....(I love Brunell though) that we should have has a viable veteran Backup whose name isn't Todd Collins...that is my only beef with the decision making...

[bulldog]

this team has a god awful time of trying to convert opportunities in the red zone, especially inside the 10.

when you watch teams like the Colts, Patriots, Cowboys, etc. that score points what you inevitably see is an approach that spreads teams out in close and gives the quarterback options to run or throw.

the Redskins do the opposite. heavy jumbo, in with Lorenzo Alexander and the one wide receiver set and out with any chance at making the opposition guess as to what is coming next.

Sellers? I think you want to see another play than a 284 pound fullback trying to go airborne over a pile in tight.

[hail2skins]

I think we all agree that Joe is a class act.

My question: when Norv Turner still gets ridiculed on these boards, why doesn't anyone ever come to his defense and say he's a class act? No, he never got close to the success as Gibbs I and never got us over the hump, but I think he did at least try, and he's a decent person. Yet everybody blames him for all that was wrong with the Skins from 1994-2000.

[bulldog]

no, Casserly deserves a lot of the criticism. He was the one that drafted the players that inevitably crashed and burned here. He was the one that signed Dana Stubblefield and traded #1 and #3 picks for Dan Wilkinson. He was also the one that recommended Norv to Cooke :)

[FunBunch7]

I can't imagine listening to a 34 minute video of Gibbs talking about how we're all in this together and we play our guts out, blah, blah blah...those are minutes I'll never get back...

[llcamino]

As much as I love Gibbs and don't want any more tarnish on the bust in Canton, I have to say that I disagree with you 100%. You're right that Gibbs didn't give the political answers. Instead he went one step farther and flat out lied. When asked specifically about the timeout before the field goal, he essentially said that by the time he saw where the ball was spotted, he needed more time to make the decision to go or kick, and therefore had to call the time out. Go back and watch the game again and you'll see that the FG unit is coming on the field at 9:35 remaining, and the timeout is called at 9:23....a full 12 seconds later. Suisham said that he waited to be told to go on the field, which means Gibbs had decided he wanted a FG with at least 12 seconds left on the play clock. He didn't need more time to decide, he simply made yet another bad clock decision. On top of that, he attempted to embarrass the media by asking "what would you do in that situation" as if it was the reporters who had the series of events mixed up.

I would rather see Gibbs win than leave, but I also have to question how much he'll learn from his mistakes if he thinks it's OK to try to sell a bogus account of the events to avoid scrutiny and accountability.

I personally thought that his handling of the situation was anything but "classy" and "professional", or a representation of how a HOF coach should act. Quite honestly as a life-long Gibbs fan, I was anything but "proud" of it.

[bulldog]

Gibbs is suffering from trying to do too many things at an age, 66, when everyone is slowing down a bit. He is the head coach, de-facto GM, public relations executive and the guy that has to cover the behinds of the other coaches that often fail to get their units ready to play despite being paid a mint to do so.

Gibbs should have realized a while ago that he needed a personnel executive and turned over the draft and free agency to that individual (working with him of course) and concentrated on overhauling what was an unproductive offense in 2006.

Instead, he and Snyder seem stuck in this weird tango.

Snyder is too burnished from his firings of Marty and Spurrier to interfere with Gibbs even as it appears Gibbs is foundering.

Gibbs is grateful for the autonomy he has this time around and yet can't seem to take advantage of it to make the team demonstrably better desipte all the hours he spends 'working on it'.

So, there is no one asking the tough questions or evaluating where the PROGRAM is right now.

[VBHOGG]

this team has a god awful time of trying to convert opportunities in the red zone, especially inside the 10.



Too many hands are in the cookie jar when we're in the red zone. maybe that would explain the indecisive play calling and constant state of confusion that we continue to find ourselves in.

[deejaydana]

I wish I had that kind of blind loyalty....but I'm not a canine. After 4 years this team, under Gibbs, is making the most fundamental of mistakes. This is not acceptable and it's not progress of any kind. I don't care if he can make a great, diplomatic speech. I care that he can no longer coach and motivate. He just has to go, and soon.

[GaryGreenMonk]

I'll be proud of my kid one day if he tries his best and still gets a C minus.

This is my football team and i want to see the damn playoffs before I die. So F being proud.

[DjKam1]

I have been worried about our playcalling in the past, HOWEVER this past week you cannot say that we were predictable. We gave the offense and our young QB a chance to make some big plays downfield and Campbell performed gracefully. This loss cannot be attributed to the coaching decisions that were made, it was our inability to stop Westbrook in the last 4 minutes. I am still optimistic that we have the ability to turn things around and our coaching staff can improve on errors that they have made as well. You still have to support this staff and team, we are in a much better position now than we ever were in the past 10 or so years.

[herb mul-key]

Gibbs is the man...f the naysayers.

[scstand]

Classy does not win games....26-31 is our record with Gibbs II if this was any other coach his head would be on the chopping block. I watched and went to numerous games during Gibbs I and to be honest he really has not changed. He is the same conservative coach who always had good things to say about an opponent and always had similar press conferences and will always be a class act. I think for me anyway I'd rather have a hungry go for the kill mentality from a head coach. A coach with a swagger would certainly trickle down to the players and provide an identity and attitude that as a franchise and fan base we deserve.

There are a few major differences this go round however.

1. No GM (This is a fairly significant issue)
2. The talent level at all positions (Bigger Stronger Faster)
3. Possession WR (Missing since 1993)
4. The Hogs (We are not bad under the circumstances -not the hogs for sure)

During Gibbs I we had BB and CC who brought in the talent and Gibbs coached...We could lineup Jumbo and still run the play even if the D knew it was coming. Today in a bigger stronger faster NFL you just can't do it consistently and our record under Gibbs II backs this up. We had a HOF (should be!) receiver in Art Monk that was as his team mates nick named him "Money" especially on 3rd down. Art made the tough catches over the middle which is an area we rarely attack these days.

Monk opened the door for Clark and Sanders. We do not have that go to receiver right now can the Moss from '05 please stand up! If we had someone at least 6'2 that ran good routes with good hands then our passing attack could be very good and we wouldn't be in such a bind when we lose a smaller speed receiver. I really hope we address this during the draft. Not only did we have a very good o-line during those years but we had depth and chemistry even when we had an injury.

I just finished watching clips from the 80's and 90's and what stood out the most to me was how we ran formations with the WR's and how they were always open and you see teams currently doing similar things but not our current team. My conclusion can only be we have a imposter for a coach or someone on the staff back in the day was the real genius.

Thoughts?

[s0crates]

I don't think Joe Gibbs 2nd tenure is the catastrophe it has been made to be. He turned Spurrier's mess into a playoff team in two years.

This year, our starting RT, RG, WR, LOLB, ROLB, CB, and SS are all injured, and we are still in the hunt for the playoffs. The three blown leads this year hurt, but this team has been competitive in all but one game this season, despite a myriad of injuries.

Let's also be realistic here, after last year, 5-4 is in itself an quite an accomplishment.

I geuss we'll all see how this team does down the stretch. I suspect those of you betting against Joe Gibbs will be eating crow by season's end.

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

This thread makes me want to wrap up my hands and go at it on my punching bag. I believe in Gibbs, I think we just need more leadership on the team, truthfully. Too many talents and not enough players that take control on the battlefield.

[Chief skin]

I had to finally admit it also Coach Gibbs lost his edge, it is sad to watch this. We do have video of the past and will always hold the man with high esteem and respect

[Oldfan]

This thread makes me want to wrap up my hands and go at it on my punching bag. I believe in Gibbs, I think we just need more leadership on the team, truthfully. Too many talents and not enough players that take control on the battlefield.

I don't know how others define "leadership." For me, there can be only one leader of a football team and that's the head coach.

I was in a small minority of Redskins fans who wasn't excited by the return of Joe Gibbs four years ago. I thought it was a high risk hire by Snyder.

I think Joe's a great guy, but my loyalty is to the team, not to a coach or player.

The irony is that Joe's taking this intense heat after Campbell played his best game and the offensive strategy moved ahead dramatically. Those gains have been hidden by this firestorm of criticism on the persistent clock management issue.

[MD2ATLdiehard]

My turn! Yes, I am a diehard Washington Redskins fan. I am also, absolutely, a devoted, kool-aid drinking homer & Gibbs loyalist to the end. With that said, I do recognize that Redskins football this year has been........uneven, to say the least. And we're experiencing the growing pains of a young Quarterback in his FIRST full season of starting. Yet the bottom-line results have Washington sitting at 5-4, still in the meat of the playoff pile.


Here's part of my position(check other Joe Gibbs threads for my full take): we are NOT rebuilding, but we are building. Note the conservative nature of the gameplans & play calling. This year is to familiarize Jason Campbell with NFL Quarterbacking, The Washington Redskins Way. Our trajectory has been at an inchworm pace ON PURPOSE, because we have a young QB building up his game experience. This takes time, & Joe knows that. He knows that long term, our team is poised to stay in the hunt. Why rush it? The whole team has room to grow along with our Passer. Give them both time to grow & a framework within which to do so. That's our m.o. this season.

Please consider, if we were trying to Win now, JC would have been benched in favor of an inferior QB to satisfy the panicky fans & media. This has not happened. If we were trying to Win NOW, Gregg Williams would be dialing up The Blitz with reckless abandon. This is not happening, for several reasons. One of them, I believe, is to allow the Defense to grow. I LOVE this approach. I have said it before, & I'll say it again; Joe Gibbs is building us a Super Bowl Contender. Just give it time. Once Jason Campbell has this year under his belt, look out! Dare I say, passing touchdowns & aggressive playcalling you will get. GO SKINS!!!

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

[QUOTE=MD2ATLdiehard]

Please consider, if we were trying to Win now, JC would have been benched in favor of an inferior QB to satisfy the panicky fans & media. QUOTE]

I agree that this should be a year to get Campbell acclimated to the NFL. Unfortunately, we are not built that way. This team is built to win yesterday. I posted this before but it bears repeating:

Portis counts $8.8 million against the cap in 2008 and $9.9 million in 2009.
Sellers is already 32 years old.
Jansen is 31, just suffered a massive injury, and counts $8.8 million against the cap in 2008.
Samuels is 30
Randy Thomas is nearly 32.
Casey Rabach is 30.
Pete Kendall is 34
Todd Wade is 31
Moss is oft-injured and his cap number jumps to $5.8 million next year and $6.3 in 2009.
Thrash will soon be 33.

On Defense....

Griffin is almost 31.
Daniels is 34.
Fletcher is 32
Washington is 30
Springs is 32
Rogers' knee just exploded.

We are running out of time with this group. By the time Campbell is ready, we will need to rebuild across the board.

[s0crates]

I agree that this should be a year to get Campbell acclimated to the NFL. Unfortunately, we are not built that way. This team is built to win yesterday. I posted this before but it bears repeating:
. . .
We are running out of time with this group. By the time Campbell is ready, we will need to rebuild across the board.How old are Chris Cooley, Clinton Portis, Jason Campbell, Sean Taylor, Laron Landry, Rocky McIntosh, and Carlos Rogers? I contend that we have a good combination of young players on the rise an established veterans. This is not a team that needs to win yesterday, this is a team built to win today andd tommorow.

[Dirtbag 28]

I am in agreement with you brotha!:applause: :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck :dallasuck




Coach Joe Gibbs is one of the classiest gentleman bar none. If you have not watched the 34 min. interview on the game, you will see how a true Hall of Famer reacts to all of the hard direct questions the media has thrown at him. Coach Gibbs handled the questions with professionalism, class, and did not give political answers. I think everyone now has had a night to sleep on it and realize how hard our team plays as a team and how important the twelfth man is in backing both Coach and players. Hail to the Redskins and Hail to future victories.

[Redskins4ever]

Joe Gibbs has always carried himself with a great deal of class. He's humble and he has a very professional approach to the game of football. To say that he's lost his edge or he's not the same as we was twenty years ago is not a fair assessment of him. Overall, past blended in with the present, Gibbs still has what takes to win. So what you lose games you could have had. The NFL is competitive and his philosophy has put us in the position to win games, regardless if we come out on top or not.

I'm happy he's the head coach of the Washington Redskins.

[S.T.real,lights,out]

I dont know if its just me but i really wish he would get upset and show some emotion on the sidelines.

[Hooper]

I wish I had that kind of blind loyalty....but I'm not a canine. After 4 years this team, under Gibbs, is making the most fundamental of mistakes. This is not acceptable and it's not progress of any kind. I don't care if he can make a great, diplomatic speech. I care that he can no longer coach and motivate.

Sad but true. He's making the same mistakes now he was three years ago. I wish he could get it together but I have seen no evidence that he can his second time around.

[knowledge316]

with all the money our coaches and players make, it's time for results and not effort...i could care less how we win, just win instead of losing the same way

with the highest paid coaches, OC, DC and one of the highest payrolls, you need to start winning games