Is Gibb getting a fair shake?

[footballhenry]

Perhaps Joe Gibbs isn't getting a fair shake? His every word is going to be scrutinized and of course anyone on that level should expect that. Gibbs is of course a very humble person and is prone to mistakes as we all are.

But look at all the other coaches in the league, look at their records and teams (ex: Billick with Baltimore- imho, a much worse coaching/team situation than our own). I don't think we have near as dire situations as most teams in the league.

So much has been said about Joe Gibbs this week, most of it negative of course (ex: website calling for him to be fired, articles in wshpost questioning his every move.) In hindsight its always easy to second guess someones decision and call them out on it.

The wiser choice is to understand why someone makes that decision in the moment....bottomline: Joe Gibbs called that game the way he did at the end (ex: loose with the timeouts, goalline plays) is perhaps because he was thinking that our defense would hold them (im suspecting), due to the long drives the redskins had and the level at which the defense was playing up to that point, holding philly to just 13 points.

He obviously didn't suspect Sean Taylor to get injured and leave the game so early. I just think that these things are easy to miss amiss all the 'mistakes' but its better to look at the origin of mistakes rather than the mistake itself. Basically the defense really took some steps back this past game, but I am hoping that it will serve as a motivation for them to step it up this Sunday (is this a must-win game?) .

The talent is still there, and our coaching staff works as hard as any other coaching staff in the league to win. Give it time, if we put up a good fight against Dallas I will be satisfied at the direction we are going. I say that because we have the pieces in place, and with the character on this team is stronger than any 'stat sheet' can interpret.

We are in playoff contention and still have a legitimate shot at getting into the playoffs even if we lose in Dallas.
I think that this team is really ironing out alot of things and they might just surprise us this sunday.
I say we give them a run for their money....Gibbs & co. are gonna come out aggressive against the Cowboys. I think were going to be surprised by what we see...heres to a Redskins upset victory!!!! :cheers: :dallasuck



*I think another classic last minute victory is in order, Campbell to Moss at the end of the game for the game-winning td sounds good to me:D

[MikeB]

Dude this team stinks again and Gibbs has been here for 4 years. Don't you think 4 years is enough to show some progress? Gibbs II is a debacle and the sooner it ends the better.

How long do you think it takes the new employee at McDonalds to learn how to operate the deep fryer? He sure doesn't get 4 years to figure it out...

[voicekiller]

Gibbs is getting the biggest fair shake ever. Look at all the people on here for example that are afraid to even think of critisizing Gibbs for anything...God forbid he does something wrong and it is actually his fault, and God forbid anyone on here even considers saying anything bad about Gibbs...Gibbs has lost his touch...sorry but he has had 4 years to turn this team around and he hasn't...it is a much better team than when he got here, much better talent, but he is not using it correctly...he is coaching scared, coaching not to lose, not to win. I love gibbs and hope he stays as a president or GM but we need some new blood here in the coaching department

[footballhenry]

All I mean is perhaps things aren't as bad as they seem? I could easily see this team lighting up and pulling off 4-5 straight victories. I'm just tryin to keep positive....I am certainly prepared for a loss this sunday but I will always hope for improvement.

I did see alot of offensive improvement against the Eagles, if the D can clamp down we have a chance in big D.

[gillherb]

Mike B are you comparing coaching a National Football team to frying fries at McDonalds? Terrible analogy. Your argument is weak. Please try again later. Goodbye.

[GaryGreenMonk]

if the D can clamp down we have a chance in big D.

I know u are trying to be positive but seriously....

Our ENTIRE secondary is back ups.

That is the same situation we were in last year, when our defense was the laughing stock.

Why? because our entire defensive scheme is based on coverage. If our coverage guys suck... our defense sucks. period.

Without Rogers, Taylor, Washington, a banged up Smoot and Springs with other things on his mind. Our defense will be swiss cheese that a team of crackheads could whoop up on.

[voicekiller]

All I mean is perhaps things aren't as bad as they seem? I could easily see this team lighting up and pulling off 4-5 straight victories. I'm just tryin to keep positive....I am certainly prepared for a loss this sunday but I will always hope for improvement.

I did see alot of offensive improvement against the Eagles, if the D can clamp down we have a chance in big D.
I hear you bro, i am trying to stay positive too...i am just extremly frustrated, and really wish i had an answer

[voicekiller]

Dude this team stinks again and Gibbs has been here for 4 years. Don't you think 4 years is enough to show some progress? Gibbs II is a debacle and the sooner it ends the better.

How long do you think it takes the new employee at McDonalds to learn how to operate the deep fryer? He sure doesn't get 4 years to figure it out...
I wouldn't say this team stinks because i think we have a ton of talent but we are a little bit away from where we want to be...A real Super Bowl Contender

[trio]

I will ask just this one question....


Back before the Patriots game, Gibbs held a press conference during which he talked about how good the Patriots were....how they were clearly in a class by themselves...and how the Redskins would have to play the "perfect" game to compete with them...


Now, the result of that game aside...

When Gibbs came back 4 years ago...

Was it so, at this point, 4 years into his "magnificent return" we could have to play "perfect games" to compete with anyone?


Or when Joe Gibbs returned was it so, at this point, WE WOULD BE THE FREAKING PATRIOTS OF THE LEAGUE? (all the domination, none of the cheating of course)


thats what I thought....

[terpskins]

JG has made some huge mistakes in his 4 years here. 4 years is a long time for any coach in the NFL; if he fails, he has no one to blame but himself. He has failed to master the most basic functions of his job: poor use of timeouts, poor time management, poor challenges, poor play calls. At this point, we are winning games despite of JG, not because of.

What I don't understand is how easily the JG backers are to credit JG for all the Redskins success his first go round but this time, it's always someone else's fault. The play execution, the players, Snyder, everyone BUT JG. Grow up.

[theTruthTeller]

JG turned a truly terrible team to a team that got within a whisker of the NFC championship two years ago. That was his downfall. First, expectations went way up. Second, bad decisions were made to add players who could put the Skins over the top. AA, BL, ARE were major acquisitions, and only ARE has been respectible. AA is gone and BL might as well be. This turned the Skins into a team that paid top dollar for starters, and minimum wage only for backups at all but a few positions. When backups were needed the last two years, no one was there. When Dockery left, no one was there. If Kendell has not fallen into the Skins lap, they would have one of the worst lines ever assembled.

I don't know who made the decisions in 2006. However bad they were, they were made for the right reason - take a shot at the ring when you have a chance.

[skins fan1010]

How long do you think it takes the new employee at McDonalds to learn how to operate the deep fryer? He sure doesn't get 4 years to figure it out...

I've read some dumb things on this board, but this might be the dumbest. I'm guessing that you figured out the deep fryer in 3.5.

[redskins55]

JG has made the same mistakes that other coaches have made during his tenure. Its blown out of porportion because he's freakin Joe Gibbs!!( 3 super Bowl Titles, Hall of Fame Coach) If anyone watches the Washington Redskins they know the team's 3 losses have come at the hands of the players and their inability to execute down the stretch! Only in Washington would they be screaming for a coaches head and the team is 5-4.. Just pathetic

[RAAZ227]

Mike B are you comparing coaching a National Football team to frying fries at McDonalds? Terrible analogy. Your argument is weak. Please try again later. Goodbye.

Yeah, that was horrible.

[bikie]

while I am not thrilled with the way we are losing or failing to progress as a team, if Gibbs were a new coach with no legacy to speak of, his last 3.5 years with the skins would not be considered the failure a lot of people consider it to be with a hall of fame coach at the helm...

the expectations for gibbs fuel a lot of criticisms that might not be there otherwise..

[knowledge316]

i think Gibbs is getting a fair shake...this is his 4th year, he brought in the players he wanted, there's no excuse for him...

Redskins55, it's not blown out of proportion b/c its JG at all...he has made similar, if not more, mistakes than other coaches during the past 4 seasons, but how many of those coaches got fired? Also, Gibbs have 13 losses after leading at half time since he came back, that's the most in the entire NFL...i don't blame the players, this is a repetitive cycle with this team, therefore it has to be coaching...you can't keep blowing games and say the players didn't execute, the coaches need to rectify the problems and make sure it doesn't happen, however, it has happened 13 times in 3.5 seasons

[dlwredskins]

I will say this once and I say this again...Gibbs in getting a fair shake by Dan Snyder but not some of the fans. When I begin watching football and a coach takes on a team in serious need of help if I recall there was a 5 year plan with steady progress. We made the playoffs in year 2. Last year was a drop off because of an injury to Portis in the first pre-season game, a few other key injuries and the dumb idea to have Saunders come in and have the team learn a new offense yet again. And the QB situation with Brunell. We were in a lot of games and things could have gone either way. By contrast this year we are right around where we were in the playoff run of 2005. Just hope we don't have to win the last five of miss the playoffs with no margin for error. Mostly when Joe came back everyone wanted instand success again...after all we won the superbowl in his second year as coach....Just like this time around we made the playoffs in the second year of Gibbs 2.0. So some fans need to relax and give Joe a break, Mostly Gibbs is a victim of his own success. So it will take time and I'm staying on the Gibbs train until he steps down, but you don't fire him...The man came back to us and put his reputation on the line for the fans and this team that was in disarry because of his love for us as fans and the organizatioin...and for any Redskins Fan to call for his head....I believe is wrong and they need to be patient and stick with the person who originally took us to the big dance! IMO it's a shame there is no sense of loyalty and only a need for instant gratification...once things come full circle all the pain would have been worth it....HAIL REDSKINS!!

[AzSkinsFan63]

JG turned a truly terrible team to a team that got within a whisker of the NFC championship two years ago.


And he did it with Brunell almost his greatest feat yet...

[clathel]

I am looking at 4 years of disappointment from a HOF coach that I and others expected would have the ship righted by now and well on its way to winning another SB. Last year or this year was supposed to be the culmination of a trip from humility to respectability. Now I look at the schedule ahead of us and the games behind us and there is nothing to look forward to this season. There is no SB in our future with JG's outdated, conservative style offense and GW's lack of blitzing/attacking the QB.

Al shows us some glimpses of hope when we play a game like we did on Sunday. He is the only bright spot in the coaching that we have right now. JC had a 114 QB rating on Sunday and CP got his touches and a bunch of yards, but we could not stop the other teams offense and allowed a 139 QB rating and a whole bunch more rushing yards than we had on offense. ...the idea of us getting to the playoffs is ridiculous when we cant hold a bad team from scoring. I am starting to wonder if we were just lucky to win against the Jets.

If you want a great team in Washington then get rid of JG and GW and either hire Bill Cowher, a guy that will allow his OC to call the plays and will inspire a team to greatness and that can use his brilliant defensive mind to shore up this team and put it right or just hand the team over to Al, who is an offensive genius, and get Cowher as a DC.

JG has been given 4 years to produce and hasnt.
JG has been given a fairer shake than Spurrier or Marty.
Marty showed how good he was in SD.
Now with Turner at the helm, the team that was 14-2 under Marty is a shadow of its former self with exactly the same people on the team.
Rivers stinks this year.
LT is having a bad year.
everything is going down the tubes quickly.
Great coaching is invaluable and we dont have it with JG and GW.

[tryfuhl]

If he's getting a fair shake now.. maybe we should shake a little bit harder.

[tryfuhl]

But to answer the question. If we were in winning fashion and lost a game, we'd just be upset for a bit. When you, for years, trend towards the issues we've been having, you WILL get scrutinized. You think this doesn't happen in any other city? We didn't accept these results with nearly any coach...

[Major Harris]

i have no idea how you'd think that gibbs hasn't gotten a fair shake. any other coach would be run out of town by now.


i could care less how bad billick is (though it's really fun to watch) or any other coach for that matter. i care about my team.

[hail2skins]

When he came back Gibbs indicated this tenure would have to stand on its own merits and not on what he accomplished in the past. So far, Gibbs 2.0 looks like the Norv era. Do you see many people on here ever giving Norv a fair shake?

[WigSkin]

The straight answer is 'Yes' in fact Gibbs has had more than a fair shake and to be fair he has earned it. However I'm afraid the old saying of 'never go back' is starting to ring true.


One thing we should all remember is that Joe Gibbs was an integral part of the most successful period in Redskins history, but my opinion is he was a 'part' of it, not the whole reason for success. As such he has been given a grace period to re-establish himself and the Skins as a major force in the NFL and so far in that respect he has failed. I suppose to give him the 'fairest shake' he would be allowed to see his contract through, in the hope that we pick up the rest of this season and go all the way next year in what would be his final bow. The team and fans would have to accept that we are taking a gamble out of respect for the man (if not necessarily the coach) and that we should be prepared to succeed and fail in equal measure, and certainly not start to moan about if it starts to go wrong.

A 4th SB next year would be a fitting end to his career, but in all honesty (and I REALLY hope I'm wrong!) I just can't see it happening. As mentioned in other posts Gibbs is a decent person (that is without question) and we should be grateful for his contributions and he should not be vilified for trying to turn the fortunes of this team around. I firmly believe that 4 years ago Gibbs really thought he could replicate his success with the Skins again, and for him to put his reputation on the line took a lot of guts, I admire him for it. Saying all that given the talent at his disposal and the lack of production on the field; should we stagger through the remainder of the season, he may need to prove just how much he loves the Skins by walking away.

[SkinsFTW]

The Redskins have 5 wins:

Dolphins are 0-9, we barely beat them at home in OT.
Eagles was a good win, a win with McNabb injured and a game in which he had chances to take it away but played badly.
Lions game was our 1 really good win.
Cardinals, luck win.
Jets are 1-8 and we could have easily lost.

This isn't a very good team. We got totally spanked by the Patriots, gave away games to the Packers, Giants, and Eagles.

8-8 is about the best I expect. It's also about what I expected before the season started.

[MD2ATLdiehard]

Not so fast, my friends! I'm not so sure that Daddy Joe's getting the fair shake he rightfully deserves. Consider that Gibbs I began with a Veteran Quarterback at the helm. Shoot, Joe seemingly walked off the podium after getting the job, handed the rock to Theisman & remarked 'Now go Win us some ballgames'. And Win ballgames he did. Famously, in fact.


Fast forward to Gibbs II. Please don't forget that this era started off with a mess at the Quarterback Position. We had a cap gun armed Mark Brunell, who'd clearly seen his better days in jacksonville, & didn't draft Jason Campbell until after Coach came back. And amazingly, Joe takes the Skins to the playoffs with Mark Brunell taking snaps!!! That's one of the most magnificent feats I've seen ANY coach pull off in all my years of watching football. So the Brunell experiment last longer in the second administration than it should. Fine. But Jason Campbell represents the future of this team. He needs time to develop properly, & the team needs time to develop properly around him too. Be patient Skins fans, because the team is making headway towards this goal.

[Quick aside: Remember a few years ago, when jimmie johnson went to miami to help an aging dan marino get his ring? In my mind, the primary reason that their arrangement failed is due to marino himself. He had clearly reached the end of the line, but miami was stuck. They couldn't get rid of him & draft a youngster, something they absolutely HAD to do to become a legit SB contender. And they couldn't develop an imposing rushing attack, since marino wanted to throw for 300+ yards every Sunday. That's where jj's time in south florida went down the drain. The ultimate irony in that case was dan marino himself. The miami dolphins couldn't build their squad properly, cause he was the primary roadblock. In the years since he's retired, the dolphins have seemed to have a good nucleus, but something was definitely missing down there. We would do well to learn from that kind of dubious history.]

Now I've said this before & I'll say it again. Joe Gibbs is building us a legitimate Super Bowl Contender, with a young Quarterback gaining experience at the helm. This will undoubtedly take time. But of course no one wants to hear that. These fans want rings now! And that impatience, to me, leads to all the hollering. At this point, we'll just have to put up with it. This is not simply the nature of sport these days....its how life has become. Everyone expects instant results. In school, the workplace, the dating game, & even on the gridiron, everyone wants what they want NOW! The only thing is, what if Jason Campbell is the truth?!? Will there be enough patience here for him or the Coach to dazzle us with their success? I hope so, but afraid not.:(

[Dick Edds]

I will say this once and I say this again...Gibbs in getting a fair shake by Dan Snyder but not some of the fans. When I begin watching football and a coach takes on a team in serious need of help if I recall there was a 5 year plan with steady progress. We made the playoffs in year 2. Last year was a drop off because of an injury to Portis in the first pre-season game, a few other key injuries and the dumb idea to have Saunders come in and have the team learn a new offense yet again. And the QB situation with Brunell. We were in a lot of games and things could have gone either way. By contrast this year we are right around where we were in the playoff run of 2005. Just hope we don't have to win the last five of miss the playoffs with no margin for error. Mostly when Joe came back everyone wanted instand success again...after all we won the superbowl in his second year as coach....Just like this time around we made the playoffs in the second year of Gibbs 2.0. So some fans need to relax and give Joe a break, Mostly Gibbs is a victim of his own success. So it will take time and I'm staying on the Gibbs train until he steps down, but you don't fire him...The man came back to us and put his reputation on the line for the fans and this team that was in disarry because of his love for us as fans and the organizatioin...and for any Redskins Fan to call for his head....I believe is wrong and they need to be patient and stick with the person who originally took us to the big dance! IMO it's a shame there is no sense of loyalty and only a need for instant gratification...once things come full circle all the pain would have been worth it....HAIL REDSKINS!!

as frustrated as i have been lately, this was well said and on the money.

[Bryan81]

I think Gibbs is getting a fair shake. Fans want an improved team, which Ithink he has delivered. But now it's time to have Super Bowl contender &whether it's him, Saunders, or the players not coming through - the offense is just plain bad & the team is losing far to many close games & have to many games that are close that the Redskins should win more easily.

[jbowman]

Dude this team stinks again and Gibbs has been here for 4 years. Don't you think 4 years is enough to show some progress? Gibbs II is a debacle and the sooner it ends the better.

How long do you think it takes the new employee at McDonalds to learn how to operate the deep fryer? He sure doesn't get 4 years to figure it out...

This team looks a whole lot better than any team that got on the field under Turner or Spurrier. Looks like progress has been made to me.

[Buford]

If anything, he's being give too MUCH wiggle room here.

If this were any other coach for this franchise. He'd be gone by now. Being "Joe Gibbs" is all that's keeping him from being replaced midseason.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I love Joe Gibbs, the man.

But for those of you who cling to the argument that he got us close to the NFC championship game in spite of Brunell, just remember why MB is here in the first place.

Gibbs went out and got Mark, in fact gave up a 3rd rounder for him even though he was probably about to get cut by JAX.

If I'm trying to make it to New York City and don't trust the car that I've got (Ramsey), don't blame anyone else if I pay $5,000 for a car that's about to be abandoned, when it breaks down in Jersey.

BTW would the OP mind editing the original post so that it says "Gibbs", sorry to nitpick that's bugging me for some reason.

[Geoff_K]

Shotgun ... no huddle ... THAT was a fun team to watch play. I much prefer seeing that to the short passes for 2 yards when we need 4 and screens and up the gut runs.

I hope when they look at the tape they decide we should go that route for the rest of the season. THAT would be a big boost to Mr. Gibbs image. Let's get that gunslinger attitude and SCORE more points per game.

A game where we win 3 - 0 is a BORING game. A game where we win 42 - 40 is a GREAT game.

[deejaydana]

if he was coaching prolly any other franchise in the league, save maybe the Lions where like a Supreme Court Justice the job is yours for life, he would have long since been given the bum's rush. How can you even ask this question in the first place?

[PeterMP]

Look NFL headcoaches have it tough. That's part of the gig. Lot's of Eagle fans want to see Reid gone (http://fireandyreid.com/). One year w/ no playoffs and see you later. Other coaches have similar things, including Super Bowl winners:

http://fireshanahan.blogspot.com/

[Rafterman]

Gibbs is getting the biggest fair shake ever. Look at all the people on here for example that are afraid to even think of critisizing Gibbs for anything...God forbid he does something wrong and it is actually his fault, and God forbid anyone on here even considers saying anything bad about Gibbs...Gibbs has lost his touch...sorry but he has had 4 years to turn this team around and he hasn't...it is a much better team than when he got here, much better talent, but he is not using it correctly...he is coaching scared, coaching not to lose, not to win. I love gibbs and hope he stays as a president or GM but we need some new blood here in the coaching department

I agree with almost everything you said.

However, Gibbs should go for GOOD at the end of the year, a clean break period.

I'm sorry he came back and tainted his record, but these things happen in life.

The game has passed him by or he lacks the courage to coach, either way it's time for him to go.

[eljeasel]

People like sensationalizing things. I just hope no one in power does anything drastic.

[Hooper]

He has gotten more than a fair shake.

I love Gibbs -- we all do -- and he has done some very good things since he came back. And hey, we're still 5-4 with lots of games to play.

But the fact is Joe's game-management skills and decision making have been a disaster ever since he came back. There's no debating that. He simply has not improved in these areas.

Under Gibbs 2.0, the Skins have lost 42 percent of games they have led at halftime. That is more than Norv like -- it's worse than Norv.

For whatever reason, he has yet to adapt as a coach this time around -- he doesn't learn from his mistakes.

I've said it before, I would really like to see how this team would fare if Gibbs pretty much did nothing on gameday -- just cheered the team on and watched from the sidelines. I think the chaos and confusion we see on the sidelines and on the field in crucial situations would probably end. Not to mention the way too conservative play-calling in the red zone.

The next seven games are huge for Gibbs. If we finish just fairly strong, I can't imagine him not coming back. But if we collapse, say go 7-9, I think the Danny may have to do the unthinkable and tell the guy we all love he needs to step down because he is holding back what he built.

Hail.

[pjfootballer]

I guess the most frustrating thing as fans of the team are this. When Joe was coach the first time around, the teams would compete for 60 minutes, not make the boneheaded mistakes (penalties, turnovers, missed assignments) and lose without looking clueless.

Then we hired Turner (after Petitbone held down the fort), Schottemheimer (Robiskie as an interim) and then Spurrier. What was the common theme week in and week out under these coaches? Inept play. Turnovers. Sacks. Penalties. Uninspired Play. Sloppy play. You can say alot of that is the team, since we changed coaches/philosphies, but you can also blame the coaches for not changing the culture of the team.

That leads us to Joe 2.0. I as some of you in here were really hoping for a turnaround. Did I want a SB? You bet, and I thought Joe would have us back there by this season. I also was really hoping that the culture of losing and bad football would change as soon as Joe arrived. That is the one problem I've had with Joe. We're still making the same mistakes as we did in 1994. He has done well with upgrading the talent, trying to hold on to draft picks and changing the losing ways. But his failure has been by not just losing games, but changing the attitude and the culture of a sloppy team. That is ultimately where I have a problem with his 2nd stint.

[Taylor 36]

In a word, NO!!!!!

[CTaylor42]

Lots of Skins fans keep saying we should forget the past while bringing up Gibbs I every chance they get. Joe is being scrutinized by his success in the past. Gibbs II should be judged by how bad this team was before he got here? Are we better than we were in 2003? I think so!

[knowledge316]

Not so fast, my friends! I'm not so sure that Daddy Joe's getting the fair shake he rightfully deserves. Consider that Gibbs I began with a Veteran Quarterback at the helm. Shoot, Joe seemingly walked off the podium after getting the job, handed the rock to Theisman & remarked 'Now go Win us some ballgames'. And Win ballgames he did. Famously, in fact.


Fast forward to Gibbs II. Please don't forget that this era started off with a mess at the Quarterback Position. We had a cap gun armed Mark Brunell, who'd clearly seen his better days in jacksonville, & didn't draft Jason Campbell until after Coach came back. And amazingly, Joe takes the Skins to the playoffs with Mark Brunell taking snaps!!! That's one of the most magnificent feats I've seen ANY coach pull off in all my years of watching football. So the Brunell experiment last longer in the second administration than it should. Fine. But Jason Campbell represents the future of this team. He needs time to develop properly, & the team needs time to develop properly around him too. Be patient Skins fans, because the team is making headway towards this goal.



Remember, JG went out of his way to get Brunell. Everyone in the NFL knew he was going to be cut by Jaguars, yet he traded a 3rd round pick for him and gave him a huge deal. So, to say he had a bad QB is wrong, it was his QB...he could have went with Garcia or some other QB.

[Rafterman]

Remember, JG went out of his way to get Brunell. Everyone in the NFL knew he was going to be cut by Jaguars, yet he traded a 3rd round pick for him and gave him a huge deal. So, to say he had a bad QB is wrong, it was his QB...he could have went with Garcia or some other QB.

Exactly, Gibbs made his own bed and has to lay in it.

Brunell had no arm left and Joe gave him a huge deal without a try out. Then to compound the mistake. he stuck with him way to long.

Gibbs has coached scared since his return, there really is no debate here.
He's only holding on by what he did 20 years ago and that isn't enough.

[Mr_ Skinshead]

At a salary of $ 5 million/year, Gibbs is getting a fair shake and in fact, he's shaking all he can get out of this organization.

[thomasroane]

I don't think so. And the guy all these haters are clamoring for "Bill Cowher" didn't win his Super Bowl until his 14th year. I don't understand the mentality out there to fire him now. Let the man finish his 5 years. We owe the man that. He put the Redskins on the map. He has earned the right to finish out his contract. Not like someone would come in here next year and win the big one right away anyways.

[MikeB]

Mike B are you comparing coaching a National Football team to frying fries at McDonalds? Terrible analogy. Your argument is weak. Please try again later. Goodbye.

It's a metaphor. Point is simple. No job gives you 4 years to learn something. Gibbs II had his time and needs to go.

The team stinks, the coaching philosophy is a jumbled mess between Gibbs and Saunders, and the team STILL has no identity outside of playing scared.

[isle-hawg]

ANS: Yes.

The Redskins are the wealthiest sports franchise in the America's due to us hardcore fans. Gibbs is team president and head coach. He drafted, traded for or paid via free agency for the overwhelming majority of the starters.

He handpicked all the assistant coaches. He is in his 4th year, his owner is willing to spend more than any other due to the money we provide him. But yet we are still at best a mediocre team. Who else's fault could it possibly be?

[thomasroane]

If you want a great team in Washington then get rid of JG and GW and either hire Bill Cowher, a guy that will allow his OC to call the plays and will inspire a team to greatness and that can use his brilliant defensive mind to shore up this team and put it right or just hand the team over to Al, who is an offensive genius, and get Cowher as a DC.

So would you be willing to give Cowher another 14 years to win a Super Bowl? Cause that's how long it took him. Yet you don't have enough respect for the man who created our legacy than to let him finish his five years with dignity? Incredible.

[CTaylor42]

I don't think so. And the guy all these haters are clamoring for "Bill Cowher" didn't win his Super Bowl until his 14th year. I don't understand the mentality out there to fire him now. Let the man finish his 5 years. We owe the man that. He put the Redskins on the map. He has earned the right to finish out his contract. Not like someone would come in here next year and win the big one right away anyways.

So true!

Mark my words. The year after Gibbs is gone when we're say 2-7. We will be seeing threads saying they wished Gibbs was back.

[moviedude25]

No head coach in the last four years has lost so many games after leading at the half or at the start of the 4th quarter as Joe Gibbs teams.

The only reason EVERYONE isn't demanding his firing is because he won us 3 Superbowls. But the last one was 17 seasons ago.

No he's not getting a fair shake here. He's getting the royal treatment. Any other coach would have been fired already

[thomasroane]

No head coach in the last four years has lost so many games after leading at the half or at the start of the 4th quarter as Joe Gibbs teams.

The only reason EVERYONE isn't demanding his firing is because he won us 3 Superbowls. But the last one was 17 seasons ago.

No he's not getting a fair shake here. He's getting the royal treatment. Any other coach would have been fired already

Your facts are skewed. You didn't take into account the number of teams who have changed out coaches in the last four years. So your facts sir are extremely misleading. There's no such thing as a get rich quick scheme in football. Even though the Saints are improving, they don't look anything like last year. It takes a franchise some time to build a winning program.

[hail2skins]

So true!

Mark my words. The year after Gibbs is gone when we're say 2-7. We will be seeing threads saying they wished Gibbs was back.

If a healthy Jason Campbell is leading this team and we're 2-7, it certainly won't reflect well on Gibbs at all.

[moviedude25]

Your facts are skewed. You didn't take into account the number of teams who have changed out coaches in the last four years. So your facts sir are extremely misleading. There's no such thing as a get rich quick scheme in football. Even though the Saints are improving, they don't look anything like last year. It takes a franchise some time to build a winning program.

Umm no there not. Name another coach that lost so many games after leading like Gibbs has in a four year span. Go ahead dude, I'll wait on you.

And while we are all waiting Mr. "your facts are incorrect" I'll propose to you another question you can no answer. Of all of the great coaches who has blown so many leads and games in a 4 year span, name just one of these coaches that the fan base was so stupidly loyal to like you are to Gibbs? Again your not going to have an answer instead you'll just make dumb statements like "It takes time to win". No it doesn't. It takes good decision making (good FA pickups= Patriots this year, Redskins last season umm NO), good players to build around (Brunell, umm no. First round picks in Taylor, Rogers, and Landry without a #1 WR or a great QB and an aging Oline? Ummm NO), I could go on and on. I'll continue to see things the way they are in DC and you can continue to believe that its not 2007 and were in the way back machine and its 1987 and continue to think we have a good football team. The proof is in the results and the results suck.

[thomasroane]

Umm no there not. Name another coach that lost so many games after leading like Gibbs has in a four year span. Go ahead dude, I'll wait on you.

And while we are all waiting Mr. "your facts are incorrect" I'll propose to you another question you can no answer. Of all of the great coaches who has blown so many leads and games in a 4 year span, name just one of these coaches that the fan base was so stupidly loyal to like you are to Gibbs? Again your not going to have an answer instead you'll just make dumb statements like "It takes time to win". No it doesn't. It takes good decision making (good FA pickups= Patriots this year, Redskins last season umm NO), good players to build around (Brunell, umm no. First round picks in Taylor, Rogers, and Landry without a #1 WR or a great QB and an aging Oline? Ummm NO), I could go on and on. I'll continue to see things the way they are in DC and you can continue to believe that its not 2007 and were in the way back machine and its 1987 and continue to think we have a good football team. The proof is in the results and the results suck.

NFL doesn't have those Stats. So your hypothesis isn't based on facts. And do you honestly believe that the collapse of our defense in the 2nd half are entirely Gibbs' fault? Despite giving the lion share of draft picks and free agents to that side of the ball?

I take offense at your comment that I'm stupid or dumb for believing in Gibbs. Pretty brave words when you're nice and safe behind your keyboard. You might wanna re-read the guidelines that Om posted.

[Chief skin]

HE has gotten more then the benefit of the doubt, just because he is the GREATEST COACH in franchise history. Sadly he has lost the midas touch and it does pain me to admit that and further pains me to watch him tarnish the legacy but 4 seasons add up to a losing record

[2006Skins]

Gibbs will always take the blame over other players and coaches. I honestly don't think he'd have it any other way. It pains me to see the fans turning on him so quickly.