Is Larry Fitzgerald a FA at the end of the season?

[The_Grim_Reaper]

I've got a question guys.

I've read a lot of threads saying that Larry Fitz is at the end of his contract with Arizona and going to be a FA. Is this true or merely a rumour?

And if it is true, do you think we should make him a Redskin?

[Passizle]

I dont think we could afford him. It would be a GREAT fit though.

[Rufus T Firefly]

I've got a question guys.

I've read a lot of threads saying that Larry Fitz is at the end of his contract with Arizona and going to be a FA. Is this true or merely a rumour?

And if it is true, do you think we should make him a Redskin?

No, he isn't. He's signed for 2 more years. I don't know where stuff like this starts.

[520skins]

i remember reading something a few months back that said he was unhappy in zona and was planning on opting out of the final years of his rookie contract. if thats the case i would love to have him here, perfect redzone target for jc

[The_Grim_Reaper]

i would love to have him here, perfect redzone target for jc

Yeah I agree. He's got some of the best pair of hands in the league, he's tall (6'3 or 6'4) and he's a hardworker.

[Touchdown Redskins]

i remember reading something a few months back that said he was unhappy in zona and was planning on opting out of the final years of his rookie contract. if thats the case i would love to have him here, perfect redzone target for jc

I don't know if he wanted to opt out or if he was simply demanding a trade from the front office. I'm not sure you can simply just opt out of two years of your contract.

[TLusby]

I dont think we could afford him. It would be a GREAT fit though.

When will people learn that the cap is a joke to teams that have cash. We could afford four Fitzgerald's and two other FA's with a few restructures.

[NattyLight]

What makes you think the Cardinals won't franchise him, like Indy did with Reggie Wayne? There's no way the Cards let him go. There is little to contest this.

Nice thought, though.

[Enter Apotheosis]

I'd still rather have Anquan.

[Laxpunk2006]

When will people learn that the cap is a joke to teams that have cash. We could afford four Fitzgerald's and two other FA's with a few restructures.

While the cap can be altered greatly you are exagerating a great deal. The cap is still very real, it is just much softer than most realize. If we want to blow up our team than yes we could afford 4 Fitzgeralds. That would be good bye Marcus, Cornelius, Philip, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, Shawn Springs, probably Jansen, who knows who else. To me losing that kind of continuity would not be worth a marquee free agent.

To the original topic, no he is not a FA. Yes we would be a great fit, no I don't think we can realistically afford him. However since he DOES have another year on his contract, we may be able to afford him when the time comes. I hope we aren't still in that great of WR help by then.

[GOSKINS_08]

I'd take Fitzgerald..Isn't Randy Moss a FA at the end of the season too?

[ttr77]

Here's an idea: To hell with skill players. There is enough tied up in them already. How about signing a great offensive line to give the capable skill players already on the roster enough time and room to operate?

[RabidFan]

I prefer Andre Johnson if avail.

[Warhead36]

I'm against going after more big name FAs but Fitzy is the real deal and I'd love him.

Unfortunately we'd probably have to give up a high draft pick to get him...no thanks.

[flexxskins]

Here's an idea: To hell with skill players. There is enough tied up in them already. How about signing a great offensive line to give the capable skill players already on the roster enough time and room to operate? :applause: And use whatever is left to create a great defensive line to help get our offense onto the field quicker. :)

[BLEED-B&G]

He is not a FA after this season but has said publicly that he wants out of Arizona because of the "run first" offense....

This has been discussed here in the past and the consensus of rational minds offers that if he is not happy in a run first offense in AZ why would he be happy in a run first and often, last week aside, offense in WASH.

If we are looking for a WR we should draft one....would be much cheaper.

[HitStickTaylor21]

I don't know what his contract situation is, but I hope he isn't a FA for another year. This gives us a year to get some dead cap out of here and re-sign Taylor. I don't think we have the money to go after Fitz this offseason. Maybe a year from now if we don't overspend on more stupid crap.

[[[ghost]]]

I dont think we could afford him. It would be a GREAT fit though.

No, it wouldn't.


While Fitz is an excellent player, he wants to be a part of a Pass-first offense. This isn't that team.

[corrupt3d]

I'd take Fitzgerald..Isn't Randy Moss a FA at the end of the season too?




We can't afford Moss, nor would the Patriots be stupid enough to let him go. Moss is only 30 years old.

[tomgraham]

Arizona Would Be Stupid Not To Get A Deal Done.

[Sweet Sassy Molassy]

I prefer Andre Johnson if avail.
I don't think he's a FA at the end of the year. I know Andre Davis is. But I don't think Johnson is.

[Soup]

i say keep McCardell for another year. Stay with MOSS and El and go out and draft a WR as well as bringing up MIx and Espy. I like the way the WR corp is right now. The key is just staying healthy. I don't want another Lloyd in here. Besides if your going after someone bring Ocho Cinco here.

[corrupt3d]

i say keep McCardell for another year. Stay with MOSS and El and go out and draft a WR as well as bringing up MIx and Espy. I like the way the WR corp is right now. The key is just staying healthy. I don't want another Lloyd in here. Besides if your going after someone bring Ocho Cinco here.



I wouldnt mind McCardell around for another year, his veteran leadership is gonna be really good for Campbell and hopefully Mix, Espy and whatever WR we potentially draft.

And it gives him a chance to try and pass Isaac Bruce...hehe



That said, I'm really hoping Mix turns out to be awesome so we dont have to draft a WR this year (that way we can take Darrius Heyward-Bey next year)

[#98QBKiller]

I looked at the list of 2008 FAs and Fitzgerald isn't on there

[pjfootballer]

You guys are smoking crack. Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Andre Johnson, Chad Johnson and Randy Moss? What on God's green earth makes you think these teams would give these guys up for nothing? I want what you guys are smoking. I'm on record here that if we get any of those guys in the offseason, I'll wear the ass-hat avetar for all of 2008.

Let's go with Moss (Santana), Randle El, re-sign McCardell for 1 yr, bring Mix, Espy and Farris back for TC and dump Lloyd after June 6th to lessen the cap hit. Bring back Thrash on a tryout and the go after a mid-level Free agent like Bryant Johnson of the Cardinals, who is 6-3 and 220, has played 3rd fiddle to Boldin/Fitz, wants to start and would likely cost 10 times less than any of the other flashy players you guys want.

Oh, and save the draft picks for both sides of the lines.

[jrockster21]

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[Gary Clark Fan]

Arizona Would Be Stupid Not To Get A Deal Done.

Well they are AZ afterall. Notorious for screwing things up.

[corrupt3d]

You guys are smoking crack. Fitzgerald, Anquan Boldin, Andre Johnson, Chad Johnson and Randy Moss? What on God's green earth makes you think these teams would give these guys up for nothing? I want what you guys are smoking. I'm on record here that if we get any of those guys in the offseason, I'll wear the ass-hat avetar for all of 2008.

Let's go with Moss (Santana), Randle El, re-sign McCardell for 1 yr, bring Mix, Espy and Farris back for TC and dump Lloyd after June 6th to lessen the cap hit. Bring back Thrash on a tryout and the go after a mid-level Free agent like Bryant Johnson of the Cardinals, who is 6-3 and 220, has played 3rd fiddle to Boldin/Fitz, wants to start and would likely cost 10 times less than any of the other flashy players you guys want.

Oh, and save the draft picks for both sides of the lines.


Thing is, if we cut Lloyd AFTER June 5, we owe him a roster bonus.

and i dont think Danny is gonna pay him anymore than he already has

[dcfarmboy47]

I'd take Fitzgerald..Isn't Randy Moss a FA at the end of the season too?
there is nooo wayy randy moss will leave new england

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I'd prefer Roy Williams, if available.

[skinzfan112]

Details about Fitz's contract. As much as I hate the Cards I can see Fitz being a Monk knockoff for years to come if we make a good pitch at him:

Keeping Pace?

Meanwhile, the Cardinals and Pace's agent, Pat Dye Jr., remain curious about Pace's value. He's a hybrid outside linebacker and defensive end who has played well in 10 starts this year. Still, it's only 10 starts, and ascertaining Pace's exact value is a challenge.

Is he a pass-rushing defensive end? A strong side outside linebacker? It might take a few more weeks for the two sides to sort that out and pay him accordingly.

Even if those two deals are reached by the end of the year, Graves has more work ahead.

There is a good chance receiver Larry Fitzgerald will meet incentives clauses that will boost his 2008 salary in excess of $14 million. That's an untenable number for the Cardinals to fit under the cap, so they would like to extend Fitzgerald's current deal, which is set to expire in 2009.

Fitzgerald's base salary for 2008 is $1.089 million. But that will increase by $8.5 million because of bonuses: a $3.5 million incentive based on playing time and performance and a $5 million boost for making the Pro Bowl in 2005.

By meeting those goals, Fitzgerald could qualify for an additional $5 million bump. To earn that he needs either to be ranked in the top five in receptions over two consecutive seasons (2004 through '07) or be selected to the original ballot for the Pro Bowl this year.

The receptions clause will be hard to meet, because Fitzgerald missed three games in 2006 and finished with 69 catches. But barring injury, Fitzgerald could well make the Pro Bowl this year. He leads the NFC in receptions and is second in yardage.

If he earns that bonus, Fitzgerald's salary will increase to about $14.6 million.

Fitzgerald's agent, Eugene Parker, did not return phone calls, and Graves said addressing Fitzgerald's contract will be a priority.

"Obviously, he's under contract for two more years, but it will be our focus to try and get his number down to a more manageable number," Graves said.


http://www.azcentral.com/members/Blog/KentSomers/11069

[alleycat]

Here's an idea: To hell with skill players. There is enough tied up in them already. How about signing a great offensive line to give the capable skill players already on the roster enough time and room to operate?
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[NewCliche21]

If he's a free agent and not in our colors next year, then I will hate Snyder. A lot.

[SKINS FAN #56]

Don't know but damn that would be awesome if he took Lloyd's spot.

[PosseLover]

Mike Williams ex Lions receiver...now ex Raider has been released. At 6'5" he'd be g-r-reat to have. IMO

[turbodiesel#44]

We should trade Barton Floyd and an 8th rounder for him.

[Rufus T Firefly]

We should trade Barton Floyd and an 8th rounder for him.

They'd surely insist we throw in Scott Brunell.

[TLusby]

While the cap can be altered greatly you are exagerating a great deal. The cap is still very real, it is just much softer than most realize. If we want to blow up our team than yes we could afford 4 Fitzgeralds. That would be good bye Marcus, Cornelius, Philip, Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, Shawn Springs, probably Jansen, who knows who else. To me losing that kind of continuity would not be worth a marquee free agent.

To the original topic, no he is not a FA. Yes we would be a great fit, no I don't think we can realistically afford him. However since he DOES have another year on his contract, we may be able to afford him when the time comes. I hope we aren't still in that great of WR help by then.

You are nineteen and do not understand capology.

1.) Cash kills the cap. Contracts can be restructed with guaranteed money and spread out. Mark Brunell, Todd Collins, and Lloyd would be the only cuts. Jansen might be a cut but not because we can not afford him. Portis could be restructed next year with $12M in guaranteed money and lower salaries. We would recapture his remaining bonus paid; however, he could be reduced down to less than a $4M hit. We would save $4M just on him.
2.) Money today is not worth what it is next year. A $10M salary two years ago was 12-15% of a team's cap. After next year it will be less than 9%.
3.) I could shave $25M off next years cap in one hour. I am sure that Vinnie can figure out a lot more than me.
4.) Fitzgerald could be had for $20M in guaranteed money spread over six years with half of that being a roster bonus the next year which could convert and be amortized out. His salary in the first three years would be $1M. His cap hit would only be $2.67M in the first year. The second year it would increase as the roster bonus is converted and he would cost $4.67M. The team cap limit at that time will most likely add another 5%, or $5-7M. His salary becomes a smaller %. Get the picture!

[Yusuf06]

Let's go with Moss (Santana), Randle El, re-sign McCardell for 1 yr, bring Mix, Espy and Farris back for TC and dump Lloyd after June 6th to lessen the cap hit. Bring back Thrash on a tryout and the go after a mid-level Free agent like Bryant Johnson of the Cardinals, who is 6-3 and 220, has played 3rd fiddle to Boldin/Fitz, wants to start and would likely cost 10 times less than any of the other flashy players you guys want.

Oh, and save the draft picks for both sides of the lines.

Ding!! Somebody clearly gets it.

[Yusuf06]

And BTW Tlusby, you forgot to mention that you're right about cash/cap as long as the players work out almost 100% of the time. Busts, player declines, and injuries all conspire to doom such a strategy to failure...especially when Vinny is still in the mix. For proof of this, just look at our history over the past decade or so.

[feeshta]

And BTW Tlusby, you forgot to mention that you're right about cash/cap as long as the players work out almost 100% of the time. Busts, player declines, and injuries all conspire to doom such a strategy to failure...especially when Vinny is still in the mix. For proof of this, just look at our history over the past decade or so.

I'm perfectly fine with drafting for the lines this year, but to ignore the possibility of getting a player like Fitzgerald would be a mistake. He's an exceptional player(rather than a borderline talent like El and especially Lloyd) who's chances of being a bust here are very slim. It's a far safer pickup than any draft pick, regardless of draft position.

Just because the staff made some bad decision in the way they attempted to address the deficiencies at WR in the past, does not mean they should ignore the opportunity to correct that mistake.

[kwitt]

Why don't we just extend Brandon Lloyd again? Problem solved.

[RedskinzOwnU]

He is not a FA after this season but has said publicly that he wants out of Arizona because of the "run first" offense....

This has been discussed here in the past and the consensus of rational minds offers that if he is not happy in a run first offense in AZ why would he be happy in a run first and often, last week aside, offense in WASH.

If we are looking for a WR we should draft one....would be much cheaper.

This is exactly right. What is depressing is that the skins would be far more effective as a pass-first offense. Maybe one day our genius head coach will realize that too. In the mean time we can keep banging our head against the wall on offense.

[[[ghost]]]

I have no problem addressing both sides of the line- after all, they win ball games. But if GW is still our DC, then we'll need Corners more than anything else. I'd much rather have a fresh Pass rush specialist, but the fact is, GW wants to have like 5-6 DBs back there, and if Rogers goes down, or Smoot gets banged up, than we'll need all the depth at CB we can get.

[Mooka]

DJ Hackett would be a cheaper option, he's been playing great football since coming back from his ankle sprain.

[jamesbondman]

I'd take Fitzgerald..Isn't Randy Moss a FA at the end of the season too?

We passed over Randy Moss and T.O. already. They are not Christians.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

I love these long threads based on false premises.

Does no one know how to use google?

There is a good chance receiver Larry Fitzgerald will meet incentives clauses that will boost his 2008 salary in excess of $14 million. That's an untenable number for the Cardinals to fit under the cap, so they would like to extend Fitzgerald's current deal, which is set to expire in 2009.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/sports/articles/1121cardsins1121.html

[cphil006]

I think the Cardinals are going to want to keep him. Him and Leinart were hanging on the sidelines at the USC game...

[cphil006]

I think our more pressing needs are CB, DE, OG, then WR

[jimster]

I think our more pressing needs are CB, DE, OG, then WR

I'd like to see us go after DeAngelo Hall and draft DE Chris Long.

[cphil006]

Why don't we just extend Brandon Lloyd again? Problem solved.

good question.

I heard his jersey went on sale today, too...

[cphil006]

I'd like to see us go after DeAngelo Hall and draft DE Chris Long.

Can't think of his name, but there is a top DE pass rusher that will be a FA. DeAngleo Hall, Asante Samuel, all would make us better...

I think if we can land Larry Fitzgerald, it would help us as well...

[scruffylookin]

Let's go with Moss (Santana), Randle El, re-sign McCardell for 1 yr, bring Mix, Espy and Farris back for TC and dump Lloyd after June 6th to lessen the cap hit. Bring back Thrash on a tryout and the go after a mid-level Free agent like Bryant Johnson of the Cardinals, who is 6-3 and 220, has played 3rd fiddle to Boldin/Fitz, wants to start and would likely cost 10 times less than any of the other flashy players you guys want.

Oh, and save the draft picks for both sides of the lines.


:notworthy

My thoughts exactly.

For the love of anything you hold dear, save those draft picks and use them to bolster our lines.