Back To The Question, Do We Need A GM?

[MEANDWARF]

This is base on the recent rumor that Gibbs will be back.

I can accept the fact that Gibbs wants to come back. He is not a loser and leaving the skins after this season without being a playoff contender is out of the question.
But would it be wise to get a decent GM to help out with player personel. Back at Gibbs I, we had Bobby B. and Charlie C. to help get the players we needed. The result of this is 3 Super Bowl victories.
Vinny and Danny are great in getting us out of "Cap Hell", but in regards for building for the future, Joe, Danny, and Vinny are not so great. This Future Is Now approach work for George Allen in the 70's but now days you need more help in the college draft. We continue to trade draft picks for aging vets that mostly do not pan out here, i.e. T.J. Duckett and Bradon Lloyd(as far as we know). Help me out, besides H.B. Blades and Reed Doughy, I can't think of a late round pick that is still on the team and producing.
I don't think its late, but getting a G.M. and a decent Scouting Team can only help us in Gibbs II


P.S.- I know this subject has been discuss before, but I haven't seen a thread about this in a while.

Anyway, :notworthy to the :helmet: !

[SkinsHokieFan]

Bring in Bobby Depaul as GM. Get rid of Vinny. Take that 10 million dollars that we paid Brandon Lloyd and use it to build the best scouting empire in the NFL. You could probably do that for 3 million dollars

[mel25]

what do ya'll think about mel kiper as a GM? i thought about that when bram and larry micheal had that discussion about the media being morons and larry used the example of a reporter becomin a GM.

[CrazyZeb]

what do ya'll think about mel kiper as a GM? i thought about that when bram and larry micheal had that discussion about the media being morons and larry used the example of a reporter becomin a GM.
We'd be the laughing stock of the league. Maybe Kiper can be a GM, but he'd need to do it for a team without our reputation.

[youngestson]

Scott Poili the assistant in charge of personel for NE would be my choice. But it would mean Snyder maintaining his disassociation with the FO end of the team.

He has been on the staff which has done as good a job as any in predicting and accounting for needs in players and replacements.

[terpskins]

There is nothing in the history of the Redskins in the last 15 years or so that suggests that this shouldn't be our #1 priority this season and every other season until this gets done.

[mel25]

We'd be the laughing stock of the league. Maybe Kiper can be a GM, but he'd need to do it for a team without our reputation.

i agree we'd be the laughing stock, that would probably be the case with any extreme move that we made givin our history. but i bet new england would look like geniuses if they did it. lol but that would also probably be the case for any move that they make.

[DButz65]

As long as Gibbs is here its not going to happen, he already stated he doesnt think we need one last year in a interview, and no i dont have link, saw it on local DC tv.

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[cujo0264]

Yes we need a GM. We need to go ahead and take the hit with Lloyd and Brunell. Just do it and be done with it. We need to draft some O-linemen and start building for the future. We have alot of players in place and are ready for the next step. Jc is going to be a great QB.

['SKINSRICH]

Yep.

Coach Gibbs has to much on his plate. He needs to stick with what got him into the Hall of Fame, COACHING. They need to send Mr. Snyder's bug-eyed raquetball buddy back to Notre Dame, because Charlie could use all the help he can get. Dan Snyder needs to stay out of the choosing talent aspect of the front office. Then they need to go out and bring a guy in here with a proven track record to run the personnel side of things.

As long as Coach Gibbs is here though, I don't see that happening. I mean, would you hire a guy who would be above you in the front office. Most GM's are above the Head Coach. They are usually the ones who hire the Head Coach. As long as Coach Gibbs is the President of the team, he won't be bringing in a GM.
For this all to work, he would have to quit as the Team President and be the Head Coach only. Snyder would then hire a GM, and we would all live happily ever after. But don't hold your breath........ :2cents:

[bedlamVR]

No a GM is not the answer ... consistency is the key

[The Full Monty]

Someone should've been FIRED for the BLloyd and Arch Deluxe mess.

FIRED.

How was it that their weaknesses were not more thoroughly evaluated?

How was it that they were signed to such massive contracts?

Yet, nobody was fired.

We need a GM badly. Even if Gibbs steps down and we hire an aggressive young coach like Bruce Arians (Steelers OC) or some other hot-shot ... it doesn't matter.

We need to be able to pick up talent in the draft beyond the 1st and 2nd round so we won't be so thin any depth-wise and so that we NEVER, EVER, screw up by signing an Arch Deluxe or BLloyd ever again.

[TheLongshot]

Someone should've been FIRED for the BLloyd and Arch Deluxe mess.

FIRED.

How was it that their weaknesses were not more thoroughly evaluated?

How was it that they were signed to such massive contracts?

Yet, nobody was fired.

Firing people is a method of last resort. You only do that if you don't have any other option. If you can determine what the problem was, and figure out how to do things better next time, you don't need to fire anyone.

To be honest, I think a lot of the responsibilty of those mistakes goes on the coaching staff and Joe Gibbs himself. They were the ones who chose those players, and maybe they didn't listen to their scouting departments as much as they should have. Maybe they shouldn't have been so quick on the draw for some players who were somewhat unknown quantities to them.

This year, they decided to mostly go with players they were familiar with. So far, that has worked out.


We need to be able to pick up talent in the draft beyond the 1st and 2nd round so we won't be so thin any depth-wise and so that we NEVER, EVER, screw up by signing an Arch Deluxe or BLloyd ever again.

You mean like Montgomery, Golston, Doughty, Heyer and Blades?

Jason

[AAARedskin]

Yes, the Skins need a GM who will draft O-linemen to give Campbell time to throw, and we also need a couple of D-linemen too. A little more pressure on Romo could have won that game for us....

[Touchdown Redskins]

No a GM is not the answer ... consistency is the key

You would think a GM with proper choices on available players would lead to consistency (because we would have better depth).

[TheLongshot]

You would think a GM with proper choices on available players would lead to consistency (because we would have better depth).

You know, having a GM is no guarantee of good decisionmaking. Even Beathard had a Ryan Leaf on his resume.

Jason

[tonyriggins]

The answer is easily yes! But Snyder has to hire a good one and there are bad and good ones out there. Plus Gibbs is Snyder's guy so he cant really hire a GM until Joe leaves. Coaching is the first thing a GM is going to look at and if Snyder tells him you cant fire the coach...well then you would have a GM that is worthless if he dont have that power.

[mi6]

First and foremost, Gibbs needs to go! He is blocking the Skins from progressing.

And, yes irrespective we do need a GM.

[Chief skin]

Every successful franchise over the last decade has had a reasonably competent GM and a strong scouting department, then there is us and the difference is reflected in the W L columns. So sad that this ownership refuses to accept reality.

[bedlamVR]

Every successful franchise over the last decade has had a reasonably competent GM and a strong scouting department, then there is us and the difference is reflected in the W L columns. So sad that this ownership refuses to accept reality.

Successful like the Patriots ...who DONT have a GM or the Eagles ...who DONT have a GM ... you want a GM like AJ Smith ...he lucked out on the Vick/Giants trades and then went on to destroy the team not by firing Marty but bringing in the 3 time failure Norv Turner

[TotalRecall]

If Danny can pry Scott Pioli from the Pats to head our FO, that would be the best move he ever made.

[tex]

Heck yeah they need a GM. GM providing the talent with Coach Gibbs and company coaching um up sounds awesome. But will the Dan let go? Can Coach let go?

Probably not.

[SAli457180]

This team definitely needs one and it might be the one thing that might put them over the top because a GM would aid in providing stability in terms of personnel. A GM would help to address by utilizing the draft, something the current front office has neglected. Overall, a GM would provide the sort of structure that's been missing on this team for years.

[BAFGA]

You know, having a GM is no guarantee of good decisionmaking. Even Beathard had a Ryan Leaf on his resume.

Jason

That's 1 bad decision (even though a bunch of other GMs would have done the same thing) to hundreds of good decisions. Meanwhile, this team has made hundreds of bad decisions.

The answer is yes. we needed a GM yesterday.

[The Full Monty]

You mean like Montgomery, Golston, Doughty, Heyer and Blades?

Jason
They're promising but the jury's out whether Doughty, Heyer, and Blades are starting material -I'm extremely hopeful but I haven't seen as much on them that I've seen on Montgomery and Golston.

I disagree that it's all on Gibbs. I've criticized him a lot but Vinny Cerrato is the highest ranking front office guy after Gibbs and he oversees both the college and pro scouting operations ahead of College Scouting Director Scott Campbell and Pro Scouting Director Louis Riddick - who - in my view, along with Cerrato should be fired.

It was Louis Riddick who was head of Pro Scouting when we signed Arch Deluxe and Blloyd. It was him who handed off the information and scouting reports on those losers to his buddy Cerrato and he passed it to Gibbs and Gibbs trusted them.

I believe Scott Campbell should be promoted to where Vinny Cerrato is now. Scott Campbell was Pro Scouting Director in 2004 and 2005 and helped prepare the scouting reports and recommendations on the Portis, Marcus Washington, Springs, Moss, acquisitions.

He then got bumped over to College Scouting, and with a limited amount of draft picks, he has helped turn up some gems for us.

For more detailed info, please read my thread back in April dedicated to Scott Campbell (http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=196013&highlight=scott+campbell), and that was before the H.B. Blades pick.

[Major Harris]

We'd be the laughing stock of the league. Maybe Kiper can be a GM, but he'd need to do it for a team without our reputation.

i agree.

besides, kiper analyzes data of individual players. you might say he memorizes and recites numbers. that doesn't equate to being able to put together an nfl team.

[TheLongshot]

They're promising but the jury's out whether Doughty, Heyer, and Blades are starting material -I'm extremely hopeful but I haven't seen as much on them that I've seen on Montgomery and Golston.

They don't have to be "starting material" to be a successful pick. Hell, just making the team as a 6th round pick is usually a success in itself. It is a bonus if they can become a starter eventually.


I disagree that it's all on Gibbs. I've criticized him a lot but Vinny Cerrato is the highest ranking front office guy after Gibbs and he oversees both the college and pro scouting operations ahead of College Scouting Director Scott Campbell and Pro Scouting Director Louis Riddick - who - in my view, along with Cerrato should be fired.

It was Louis Riddick who was head of Pro Scouting when we signed Arch Deluxe and Blloyd. It was him who handed off the information and scouting reports on those losers to his buddy Cerrato and he passed it to Gibbs and Gibbs trusted them.

The fact that they weren't fired maybe should tell you something, that it wasn't bad information, but bad decisionmaking. Saunders and Williams were very much in the thick of those decisions.

Anyways, if Campbell's doing such a good job at scouting, I'd rather he stay where he is right now.

Jason

[bubba9497]

when has this question ever died to go back too it?


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[bulldog]

Of course we need a GM. The Archuleta, Lloyd and Duckett moves that cost much and yielded little are ample evidence of that.

If the club can overcome these major mistakes and still make a run for the postseason in another year is great, but that doesn't diminish the fact that without those poor moves (and maybe with some better ones in their place), the Redskins rather than Dallas might be 9-1 right now and leading the NFC race.

[jamesbondman]

And WHO should pick this GM? The same people who are picking defensive backs with the first pick every year in hopes of stopping a passing attack...while never drafting defensive linemen? Are these the people who should pick this GM?

If this group of rocket scientists have not figured out that you need a pass rush in order to stop a passing game...then how is there judgement on a GM going to be better?

[robotfire]

I don't understand why people think a GM will fix all problems. Do you honestly think just because a guy is called "GM" that he will be more capable of picking players up? The coaches have done a great job. There have been a few busts (last year's pickups were atrocious), but other than that one year, it's been successful. The only bad pickups I can think of are:

Adam Archuletta
Brandon Lloyd
TJ Duckett
Mike Barrow

All of our *ridiculous* trades besides anything involved in the above turned out to be well worth it. A GM would have said no to the Jason Campbell trade. That alone is why we don't need a GM.