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Ji
November-26th-2007, 05:20 AM
1Weve been talking now for weeks about how the end of november and begining of December could be a very cold and stormy pattern for us. There is a very good chance by this time next week, we could be seeing snow and or ice falling in this area.

Unusually cold air from Canada will be coming down while a storm brews in the southern plain. That combination will likely start us off as snow..change to ice and end as rain depending on how strong the high pressure system is over Canada and how quickly it moves off. Lots of questions here but it does appear that we have our first legit threat for wintry weather early next week.

Here is a snapshot from this morning's gfs run. If this were to happen, it would be a shocker for alot of Washingtonians. My personal guess is that we start off as snow and changeover but lots of time to track this

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwpara/analysis/namer/gfs/06/images/gfs_pcp_174m.gif

d0ublestr0ker0ll
November-26th-2007, 06:23 AM
I don't think the cold from Canada will drop us below freezing. If anything, we could see sleet, or maybe snow that melts on contact. It will be a rain event most of the time, possibly ending with some lame freezing rain/sleet/snow. The daytime temps will melt anything quickly, if there is anything.

And "unusually" cold air from Canada? When is cold unusual in Canada? This will be December we're talking about. It's snowed here in October before.

wantarace17
November-26th-2007, 06:46 AM
ok chicken little if it snows i'll start believing

Ji
November-26th-2007, 08:20 AM
I don't think the cold from Canada will drop us below freezing. If anything, we could see sleet, or maybe snow that melts on contact. It will be a rain event most of the time, possibly ending with some lame freezing rain/sleet/snow. The daytime temps will melt anything quickly, if there is anything.

And "unusually" cold air from Canada? When is cold unusual in Canada? This will be December we're talking about. It's snowed here in October before.

the cold air pouring out from Canada is well below normal for this time of the year. Sure its cold all the time but these temps are going to be brutal up there. I think if anything...it would start frozen and end liquid. Still alot of time but this one loooks very interesting

CandaceM23
November-26th-2007, 08:27 AM
Oh No!
Snows!

Run for Cover!
Buy milk, bread and TP NOW in preparations ... for the snow that isn't going to happen!!!

KingGibbs
November-26th-2007, 08:31 AM
Just throw darts Ji. You'll have a better shot at being correct.

Zen-like Todd
November-26th-2007, 08:44 AM
Ji has been throwing darts at the weather map for years over at the RealGM Wizards board. Just a warning. He may be right this time, but he is more often simply grasping at straws.

rincewind
November-26th-2007, 08:47 AM
Damn, talk about can't win for losing. :laugh:

PleaseBlitz
November-26th-2007, 09:04 AM
We should be keeping score with the ES meteorologists.

Skins24
November-26th-2007, 09:53 AM
There will probably be more than one chance of snow starting next week. Could snow the morning of the Bills game before changing over to rain, then changing over again back to snow.
Then again by the Bears game! Though that may come a day or two later...
Would be fun to have two snow games like that though.

RonJeremy
November-26th-2007, 09:56 AM
Oh No!
Snows!

Run for Cover!
Buy milk, bread and TP NOW in preparations ... for the snow that isn't going to happen!!!

Quoted for Truth. :laugh:


Where does JP stand on this one....I roll with him. :cool:

CandaceM23
November-26th-2007, 10:37 AM
Quoted for Truth. :laugh:


Where does JP stand on this one....I roll with him. :cool:

Also, don't forget to bring in firewood if you have a woodstove or fireplace.
Make sure that you have lots of canned goods and non perishables in the event that this storm knocks out power to the East Coast.

Make sure that you have your shovels out. If you don't have a shovel, make sure you run to your local hardware store and get one (I'll be stopping by Home Depot on my way home). Salt. Get lots of salt. You might want to spread it on your walkways today or tomorrow to prepare for the storm.

As mentioned earlier, make sure that you have ample stock of toilet paper, eggs, milk and bread. Toilet Paper - the essential. Heaven forbid it snows so much that you run out of TP and have to use your hand to wipe when you use the bathroom.

Oh geez ... that brings up something else. Pipes. Make sure that your pipes are insulated and that they won't freeze. It would be horrible if you run out of TP and have to use your hand to wipe, and then you go to wash your hands and realize that your pipes are frozen and you have to walk around with poo on your hands.

maxiumone
November-26th-2007, 11:14 AM
See let me check today is a day ending in Y so Ji must be predicting snow
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Yep I was right :silly:

hokie4redskins
November-26th-2007, 11:25 AM
I blame global warming.

HouseBowlrz
November-26th-2007, 12:14 PM
Make sure that you have lots of canned goods and non perishables in the event that this storm knocks out power to the East Coast.

... and for those who stocked up in September 2003 (Isabel) and December 1999 (Y2K bug), have you run out already? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


Oh geez ... that brings up something else. Pipes. Make sure that your pipes are insulated and that they won't freeze. It would be horrible if you run out of TP and have to use your hand to wipe, and then you go to wash your hands and realize that your pipes are frozen and you have to walk around with poo on your hands.

Even worse: it'll remain in the bowls. :doh:

Candace: you crack me up!! Keep 'em coming !! :cheers:

HouseBowlrz
November-26th-2007, 12:16 PM
There will probably be more than one chance of snow starting next week. Could snow the morning of the Bills game before changing over to rain, then changing over again back to snow. Then again by the Bears game! Though that may come a day or two later...
Would be fun to have two snow games like that though.

It would have been even better had our opponents been warm weather teams like Arizona and Miami, as opposed to teams who play in this kind of stuff all that time. Cest la vie ...

Nonetheless, I do agree that it would be fun to have a pair of snow games.


cheers

Chachie
November-26th-2007, 02:01 PM
Ji will be right one day and he'll start a big thread saying he told us so. Then he'll finally be banned. :)

PokerPacker
November-26th-2007, 02:37 PM
well guys, according to my model, we should have some snow sometime in the month of january. see, look at this convincing model.

RyansRangers
November-26th-2007, 04:00 PM
Weve been talking now for weeks about how the end of november and begining of December could be a very cold and stormy pattern for us. There is a very good chance by this time next week, we could be seeing snow and or ice falling in this area.

Unusually cold air from Canada will be coming down while a storm brews in the southern plain. That combination will likely start us off as snow..change to ice and end as rain depending on how strong the high pressure system is over Canada and how quickly it moves off. Lots of questions here but it does appear that we have our first legit threat for wintry weather early next week.

Here is a snapshot from this morning's gfs run. If this were to happen, it would be a shocker for alot of Washingtonians. My personal guess is that we start off as snow and changeover but lots of time to track this

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwpara/analysis/namer/gfs/06/images/gfs_pcp_174m.gif

this looks like someone spilled guacamole on a navigational chart

CandaceM23
November-26th-2007, 05:03 PM
this looks like someone spilled guacamole on a navigational chart

I really haven't felt like laughing much today ... but this made me giggle. Thanks for the laugh.

Sticksboi05
November-26th-2007, 05:22 PM
this looks like someone spilled guacamole on a navigational chart

Don't act stupid just because you don't understand the GFS.

jbooma
November-26th-2007, 05:38 PM
Ok then JI lets put you the spot predictions on what you think we will get then we will get Johnny to do the same and then see who is right.


Let the weathermen rumble begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and we will be keeping track on who is right or wrong this year.

PleaseBlitz
November-26th-2007, 05:53 PM
Ok then JI lets put you the spot predictions on what you think we will get then we will get Johnny to do the same and then see who is right.


Let the weathermen rumble begin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and we will be keeping track on who is right or wrong this year.


SIG BET!

Shilsu
November-26th-2007, 07:34 PM
Why does everyone hate Ji?

warwoman
November-26th-2007, 08:02 PM
Weve been talking now for weeks about how the end of november and begining of December could be a very cold and stormy pattern for us. There is a very good chance by this time next week, we could be seeing snow and or ice falling in this area.

Unusually cold air from Canada will be coming down while a storm brews in the southern plain. That combination will likely start us off as snow..change to ice and end as rain depending on how strong the high pressure system is over Canada and how quickly it moves off. Lots of questions here but it does appear that we have our first legit threat for wintry weather early next week.

Here is a snapshot from this morning's gfs run. If this were to happen, it would be a shocker for alot of Washingtonians. My personal guess is that we start off as snow and changeover but lots of time to track this

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwpara/analysis/namer/gfs/06/images/gfs_pcp_174m.gif

Hmm.....Looks like it extends all the way down to the Southern Appalachians in NE Georgia! Wow,thanks for the warning...I better go out and butcher a beef critter or hog!

Enter Apotheosis
November-26th-2007, 08:05 PM
Why does everyone hate Ji?

We take weather seriously here at ES and Ji just does not deliver :mad:

Sticksboi05
November-26th-2007, 08:11 PM
We take weather seriously here at ES and Ji just does not deliver :mad:

Weather is weather and quite frankly, anyone with decent equipment and knowledge could make just as good a prediction as anyone else because unlike physics, in weather "nothing" is definite.

WVUforREDSKINS
November-26th-2007, 08:35 PM
looked at the 10 day forcast. No sign of snow at all.

RonJeremy
November-26th-2007, 08:44 PM
Hmm.....Looks like it extends all the way down to the Southern Appalachians in NE Georgia! Wow,thanks for the warning...I better go out and butcher a beef critter or hog!

That last part made me :laugh: for some reason....beef critter... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Skins24
November-26th-2007, 09:08 PM
Hmm.....Looks like it extends all the way down to the Southern Appalachians in NE Georgia! Wow,thanks for the warning...I better go out and butcher a beef critter or hog!
The blue coloring isn't indicative of snow. Just heavier precip.
Everything above the first blue line would be snow.




looked at the 10 day forcast. No sign of snow at all.
If you're looking at weather.com....don't :laugh:
They change the forecast every few hours and aren't ever right this far out....

Ji
November-28th-2007, 07:06 AM
Weve been talking now for weeks about how the end of november and begining of December could be a very cold and stormy pattern for us. There is a very good chance by this time next week, we could be seeing snow and or ice falling in this area.

Unusually cold air from Canada will be coming down while a storm brews in the southern plain. That combination will likely start us off as snow..change to ice and end as rain depending on how strong the high pressure system is over Canada and how quickly it moves off. Lots of questions here but it does appear that we have our first legit threat for wintry weather early next week.

Here is a snapshot from this morning's gfs run. If this were to happen, it would be a shocker for alot of Washingtonians. My personal guess is that we start off as snow and changeover but lots of time to track this

http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwpara/analysis/namer/gfs/06/images/gfs_pcp_174m.gif

looking at the latest models, the storm track has shifted well west of what it was a few days ago and the cold air that will be in place will be scoured out due to the track of the storm the the high pressure moving off as i alluded to when i first posted.

I did say my guess would be some snow to start off with and then a changeover but my stance now is that this is a mainly rain event that could start with a bit of frozen but nothing substanital.

Sorry folks...this one isnt it

dwbiggs
November-28th-2007, 07:08 AM
I thought to be a weather guru you can't keep changing your stance up until the actual event.

richard saunders
November-28th-2007, 11:56 AM
Jiiiisus

Stop prematurely getting my hopes up

Ji
November-28th-2007, 02:44 PM
I thought to be a weather guru you can't keep changing your stance up until the actual event.

you really cant go against the models, if they shift big time for 2 days without flipping back to the original(snowy) solution....its best to follow the model.

portisizzle
November-28th-2007, 02:48 PM
People need to raise up off of Ji's ballsack.

I for one like his prognostications. Just like I like JP input on the site.

Keep it up man. :cheers:

G.A.C.O.L.B.
November-28th-2007, 03:27 PM
People need to raise up off of Ji's ballsack.

I for one like his prognostications. Just like I like JP input on the site.

Keep it up man. :cheers:
I agree.

RyansRangers
November-28th-2007, 03:33 PM
Don't act stupid just because you don't understand the GFS.

your not very nice

PleaseBlitz
November-28th-2007, 03:36 PM
looking at the latest models, the storm track has shifted well west of what it was a few days ago and the cold air that will be in place will be scoured out due to the track of the storm the the high pressure moving off as i alluded to when i first posted.

I did say my guess would be some snow to start off with and then a changeover but my stance now is that this is a mainly rain event that could start with a bit of frozen but nothing substanital.

Sorry folks...this one isnt it

Hey Ji, can you change the thread title to reflect the latest?


I just want to know if i need to check this thread again or no.

THANKS!

Sticksboi05
November-29th-2007, 06:40 AM
NWS is now saying

"A SIGNIFICANT STORM SYSTEM IS FORECAST TO MOVE UP THE OHIO VALLEY
SUNDAY. WHILE THERE IS STILL UNCERTAINTY REGARDING STORM TRACK AND
TIMING...THERE IS A POSSIBILITY THAT PRECIPITATION MAY BEGIN AS
SNOW...BEFORE CHANGING OVER TO RAIN. WINDS ARE EXPECTED TO BE
STRONG...PARTICULARLY ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE SYSTEM EARLY NEXT
WEEK. WIND GUSTS IN EXCESS OF 40 MPH ARE LIKELY ON MONDAY..."

Btw, don't bring up the Weather Channel's 10 day forecast to disprove him, that's a bad an inaccurate idea and to the guy who made the joke about it showing snow all the way down to Georgia.... :laugh:

RonJeremy
November-29th-2007, 08:51 AM
Sorry folks...this one isnt it

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/dandrewhall/Shocker-Posters.jpg

Skins24
November-29th-2007, 08:59 AM
Hey Ji, can you change the thread title to reflect the latest?


I just want to know if i need to check this thread again or no.

THANKS!
Looks like we're about to head into a colder pattern.
There will be several chances of a little snow for the next couple of weeks....


Storms? Hopefully at least one.

Hubster
November-29th-2007, 10:56 AM
Hey JI, what is your winter weather prediction for this year? Snow, no snow or a little bit of snow.

Ji
December-1st-2007, 10:39 AM
guys

tomorrows storm as I said will be mostly a miss in terms of wintry precip. By the time, the precip occurs, the cold air will be scoured out. There is going to be alot of snow and ice in New England and even the Northern Mid Atlantic but for us...this isnt our storm.

much better chance for a few inches midweek from a potentially potent clipper racing down from Canada.

this wont be a big storm as clippers usually arnt and it will be fast moving but we could get a suprising accumulation

Skins24
December-1st-2007, 11:15 PM
Just FYI -

It's actually snowing now....
But it's all virga :( (evaporating before hitting the ground - air to dry right now)

Toe Jam
December-2nd-2007, 12:03 AM
Just FYI -

It's actually snowing now....
But it's all virga :( (evaporating before hitting the ground - air to dry right now)

Good observation.

That is always the most annoying thing in the world.

You can have a place fifteen miles away with a foot of snow and you could get absolutely nothing because it's too dry.

Weather is a killer.

Corcaigh
December-2nd-2007, 09:20 AM
Good observation.

That is always the most annoying thing in the world.

You can have a place fifteen miles away with a foot of snow and you could get absolutely nothing because it's too dry.

Weather is a killer.

Yup ... there's always a Leroy Jenkins in the mix. The best weather site for the area bar none ... www.capitalweather.com uses Leroy to explain this phenomenom.

"The history of forecasting blunders is replete with examples of bad bets, and of "Leeroy Jenkins (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkCNJRfSZBU)" situations in which the atmosphere refuses to cooperate with the best laid plans. These are scenarios in which one player, such as the wimpy High, destroys the overall game plan with one unanticipated, unilateral move."

http://www.capitalweather.com/index.php

Ji
December-3rd-2007, 01:59 PM
1-3 inches on Wednesday. Bank on it. This will be it for a while too as its gonna warm up for a while after the storm. Happy Holidays

Slacky McSlackAss
December-3rd-2007, 02:07 PM
1-3 inches on Wednesday. Bank on it. This will be it for a while too as its gonna warm up for a while after the storm. Happy Holidays
Ji, quit getting my hopes up man. Your killing me. Forcast says snow, but 1-3", god i hope your right. Would be a great way to kick off my winter break.

Chachie
December-3rd-2007, 02:32 PM
1-3 inches on Wednesday. Bank on it. This will be it for a while too as its gonna warm up for a while after the storm. Happy Holidays



If it doesn't happen, will you just stop the madness? No offense, really- but you've been a waste of time so far. :)

Buddha
December-3rd-2007, 02:36 PM
You said "Bank on it." That carries tremendous significance -- care to make a wager on it? Pick a specific location in the Washington area -- any location -- where you think there will be 1"-3" of snow. I GUARANTEE there will be NO MEASURABLE SNOW at that location. I believe the air will be too dry to snow and too warm by the time it becomes saturated. Lots of virga followed by a cold and depressing rain.

If you're right, I will never post again on Extremeskins.
If you are wrong, you must never post another weather prediction on Extremeskins.

Do we have a bet?

Ji
December-3rd-2007, 03:16 PM
If it doesn't happen, will you just stop the madness? No offense, really- but you've been a waste of time so far. :)

how so? I mention threats in the long range...and then I make my eventual forecast. This is my first time actually forecasting measurable snow this year

Ji
December-3rd-2007, 03:17 PM
You said "Bank on it." That carries tremendous significance -- care to make a wager on it? Pick a specific location in the Washington area -- any location -- where you think there will be 1"-3" of snow. I GUARANTEE there will be NO MEASURABLE SNOW at that location. I believe the air will be too dry to snow and too warm by the time it becomes saturated. Lots of virga followed by a cold and depressing rain.

If you're right, I will never post again on Extremeskins.
If you are wrong, you must never post another weather prediction on Extremeskins.

Do we have a bet?

fine...Your going to really miss Extremeskins.com though. Buh bye

Chachie
December-3rd-2007, 03:22 PM
how so? I mention threats in the long range...and then I make my eventual forecast. This is my first time actually forecasting measurable snow this year



I apologize for putting it that way. I know you are just trying to do a service to us. You have been dreadfully wrong on every call I've seen you make here though. I can't and should not tell you to stop. It's your thang.

Sticksboi05
December-3rd-2007, 03:27 PM
I think a coating to an inch is more like it.

DeanCollins
December-3rd-2007, 03:41 PM
If you're right, I will never post again on Extremeskins.
If you are wrong, you must never post another weather prediction on Extremeskins.

Do we have a bet?

Buddha, you need another S.B.M. thread don't you? :laugh:

PleaseBlitz
December-3rd-2007, 03:46 PM
Good thing im not flying from Boston to DC on Wednesday.

****. :mad:

portisizzle
December-3rd-2007, 04:47 PM
You said "Bank on it." That carries tremendous significance -- care to make a wager on it? Pick a specific location in the Washington area -- any location -- where you think there will be 1"-3" of snow. I GUARANTEE there will be NO MEASURABLE SNOW at that location. I believe the air will be too dry to snow and too warm by the time it becomes saturated. Lots of virga followed by a cold and depressing rain.

If you're right, I will never post again on Extremeskins.
If you are wrong, you must never post another weather prediction on Extremeskins.

Do we have a bet?


fine...Your going to really miss Extremeskins.com though. Buh bye



oh my

Mark The Homer
December-3rd-2007, 05:20 PM
Man, it better not snow. I haven't even mounted the plow on my new truck yet.

But I do like Ji's posts. He was a good source for forecasts last winter, and he was pretty damn accurate. I just hope he's mistaken this time. :)

Slacky McSlackAss
December-3rd-2007, 05:20 PM
Where the hell is JP? Would be good to get his opinion on this wednesday.

Head
December-3rd-2007, 06:13 PM
I apologize for putting it that way. I know you are just trying to do a service to us. You have been dreadfully wrong on every call I've seen you make here though. I can't and should not tell you to stop. It's your thang.Look at it like this.....he's no more wrong than the idiots on tv that get paid bank for their bogus predictions on a daily basis :laugh:

Weather is unpredictable, period. Get over it and move on. I've been an overly obsessed weather nerd for years, and have found only one thing to be a guarantee in weather - it's gonna do whatever the **** it wants to do, PERIOD.

Sticksboi05
December-3rd-2007, 06:22 PM
Look at it like this.....he's no more wrong than the idiots on tv that get paid bank for their bogus predictions on a daily basis :laugh:

Weather is unpredictable, period. Get over it and move on. I've been an overly obsessed weather nerd for years, and have found only one thing to be a guarantee in weather - it's gonna do whatever the **** it wants to do, PERIOD.

Thank you! Finally someone who understands.

Skins24
December-3rd-2007, 06:32 PM
Buddha....don't do it man.....

Buddha
December-3rd-2007, 06:38 PM
fine...Your going to really miss Extremeskins.com though. Buh bye

You need to pick a location. And since I don't live in the DC area anymore, perhaps we can get a member to volunteer to post a photo of that location with/without snow after the clipper passes.

jbooma
December-3rd-2007, 06:52 PM
You said "Bank on it." That carries tremendous significance -- care to make a wager on it? Pick a specific location in the Washington area -- any location -- where you think there will be 1"-3" of snow. I GUARANTEE there will be NO MEASURABLE SNOW at that location. I believe the air will be too dry to snow and too warm by the time it becomes saturated. Lots of virga followed by a cold and depressing rain.

If you're right, I will never post again on Extremeskins.
If you are wrong, you must never post another weather prediction on Extremeskins.

Do we have a bet?


It aint worth it even a blind squirrel can find a nut every once and a while


ok JI has spoken 1-3 inches

The WEATHER RUMBLE HAS BEGUN, Johnny what is your call for this storm

Warhead36
December-3rd-2007, 09:38 PM
Snow on Wednesday?

I've just set up an 8 AM tee time. :)

mbqbfan
December-4th-2007, 08:40 AM
Good thing im not flying from Boston to DC on Wednesday.

****. :mad:

I will be flying to RI tomorrow for my grandma's funeral and probably fly outta Boston on Thursday. I've already packed the long johns...burr...I'm not looking forwardto the New England cold & snow (nor stand out in the freezing cold), but have to be there for my family.

DeanCollins
December-4th-2007, 08:45 AM
Good thing im not flying from Boston to DC on Wednesday.

****. :mad:

I'm flying in wednesday morning big deal ;)

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 09:15 AM
We're arguing over the weather now?

Cool. I needed some hilarity this morning.

I don't even live in D.C. and I can tell you that you're in for a lot of virga. The air will simply be too dry and these clippers rarely make it over the mountains. You're kidding yourselves if you think 1-3 inches is in order. I would say more around an inch and a half if that.

I'm not seeing anything that would really force this clipper to jump the mountains and survive. Don't be surprised to see a Winter Weather Advisory issued. If things change, there is always a chance of a Snow Advisory.

Weather is some unpredictable stuff. This is basic and common knowledge. I just wouldn't get my hopes up if I were you. Temps look to be marginal during the main bulk of precipitation. I'd say about 34 to 36 degrees unless you get some good evaporational cooling going on. With the air so dry, that certainly is possible. Lower the dewpoint the better shot you have at evap. cooling taking the temp to the lower 30's. But as it stands now, I don't think you'll see much accumalation at 34 to 36 degrees.

This is the latest QPF forecast from the HPC:

http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc289/blriesenbeck07/fill_98qwbg.gif

Notice that in the Maryland/D.C area it is highly unlikely you will get more than half an inch of QPF in any one location. The average rain/snow ratio is about 1 inch for every 10 inches of snow. This is highly dependent upon the temps. aloft. I don't see extremely cold air aloft so I don't think this will be one of those wierd times when very low QPF belts out a large amount of snow.

Latest forecast of 4+ Inches from the HPC for your area:
http://i218.photobucket.com/albums/cc289/blriesenbeck07/day2_psnow_gt_04.gif

Again you can see the current thinking is that there will be enough dry air to limit this event. Also notice how the mountain areas are likely to receive the brunt of this clipper. As with 99.8 percent of clippers in December, it will struggle to get the main energy farther than West Virginia. I also don't think temperatures will be right in the metro area. Unless, like stated previously, you get some serious Evap. cooling going on, this will be a miss for the D.C./Maryland area.

Final line I'm taking is MAYBE an inch to an inch and a half. Enjoy. It's more than what I'll be getting down here in Roanoke.

The_cavalierman
December-4th-2007, 09:24 AM
It will be interesting to see how 1 inch shuts the city down.

Compared to Oswego NY were they are measuring the lake effect snow by the foot.

This area is comical...

Skins24
December-4th-2007, 09:41 AM
You're kidding yourselves if you think 1-3 inches is in order.
You're right...latest models have 2-4 :laugh:
Too dry and virga??
Sure the first half hour to hour, but that's with ever system that comes through.

The mountains and dry air won't be a problem. Just how strong is the clipper.
We've had lake effect flurries yesterday and today with MUCH drier air and snows off the lakes rarely ever make it over the mountains.


Edit: written before your edit. You give the mountains too much credit. Weak clippers usually don't even make it to the mountains, if they do they're usually strong enough to cross.

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 09:43 AM
You're right...latest models have 2-4 :laugh:
Too dry and virga??
Sure the first half hour to hour, but that's with ever system that comes through.

The mountains and dry air won't be a problem. Just how strong is the clipper.
We've had lake effect flurries yesterday and today with MUCH drier air and snows off the lakes rarely ever make it over the mountains.

You are grasping at straws.

Skins24
December-4th-2007, 09:46 AM
You are grasping at straws.
So is the NWS then....

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 09:47 AM
You're right...latest models have 2-4 :laugh:
Too dry and virga??
Sure the first half hour to hour, but that's with ever system that comes through.

The mountains and dry air won't be a problem. Just how strong is the clipper.
We've had lake effect flurries yesterday and today with MUCH drier air and snows off the lakes rarely ever make it over the mountains.


Edit: written before your edit. You give the mountains too much credit. Weak clippers usually don't even make it to the mountains, if they do they're usually strong enough to cross.

Precisely. I should have worded it better.

I just don't see enough energy to push it to the limit.

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 09:49 AM
So is the NWS then....

They have a habit of doing that. Remember that they are responsible for putting out the advisories, warnings, etc. I can see why they would rather be safe than sorry.

What NWS Meteorologist wants to say minimal accumalation and not put out a Winter WX Advisory or something along those lines and then get burned? Lots of people depend on them. If there is the smallest chance of disturbing weather then they will milk it for what it's worth.

We know weather is unpredictable. There is a chance for anything to happen.

I am just expressing my opinion that history does not favor this being more than a minimal snowfall.

PokerPacker
December-4th-2007, 10:08 AM
It will be interesting to see how 1 inch shuts the city down.

Compared to Oswego NY were they are measuring the lake effect snow by the foot.

This area is comical...
we once had school canceled because it THREATENED to snow.:laugh:

SackMachine
December-4th-2007, 10:13 AM
we once had school canceled because it THREATENED to snow.:laugh:

I swear, you Americans have it so good.

I just had to wait half an hour outside in the snow for the bus (late as usual) and almost got run over a 3 times by cars sliding down the road. My usual 30 minute ride has turned into 1h20 mins.

I remember having a class with candles all over the room because we had lost power. :doh:

Slacky McSlackAss
December-4th-2007, 10:13 AM
we once had school canceled because it THREATENED to snow.:laugh:
FCPS is filled with a bunch of *******. I loved snow days, but not when there was freaking half an inch of snow.

dwbiggs
December-4th-2007, 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The_cavalierman
It will be interesting to see how 1 inch shuts the city down.

Compared to Oswego NY were they are measuring the lake effect snow by the foot.

This area is comical...




The way poeple drive around here during good wether is bad enough...its disaster time when they hit the road in snow. The morons can't adjust...they think they can drive just as fast with snow on the ground. Add to that talking on the cell, reading the paper, and putting on make-up and well...you've seen it. :rolleyes: :doh:

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 10:14 AM
I think a coating to an inch is more like it.

Ding ding ding.

We have a winner.

Corcaigh
December-4th-2007, 01:35 PM
www.capitalweather.com for the real story ...

"This will not be a uniform event. Areas north and west of town will see colder temperatures and higher accumulation, while DC and south and east may only see light accumulation on car tops and grass. Either way it looks like a minor early season nuisance snow. Some reports of 2-4" are possible, but most of us will see a coating up to 1-2"."

G.A.C.O.L.B.
December-4th-2007, 02:23 PM
www.capitalweather.com for the real story ...

"This will not be a uniform event. Areas north and west of town will see colder temperatures and higher accumulation, while DC and south and east may only see light accumulation on car tops and grass. Either way it looks like a minor early season nuisance snow. Some reports of 2-4" are possible, but most of us will see a coating up to 1-2"."
Isn't that what Ji saying?

Corcaigh
December-4th-2007, 02:27 PM
Isn't that what Ji saying?

Which version? ;)

As a rule I tend not to read what other people have written before I post. Otherwise it might be in context. :)

Sticksboi05
December-4th-2007, 02:31 PM
I swear, you Americans have it so good.

I just had to wait half an hour outside in the snow for the bus (late as usual) and almost got run over a 3 times by cars sliding down the road. My usual 30 minute ride has turned into 1h20 mins.

I remember having a class with candles all over the room because we had lost power. :doh:

It's not an "American" thing. Go up to Cleveland and they won't cancel school for a foot of snow.

Sticksboi05
December-4th-2007, 02:32 PM
Which version? ;)

As a rule I tend not to read what other people have written before I post. Otherwise it might be in context. :)

Your "real story" was a repeat of what Ji said. He was right so far but anything can happen.

Remember that Sunday last year when we were supposed to get "freezing rain" and we got about 4 inches of snow.

wantarace17
December-4th-2007, 03:02 PM
you know i am gonna have to jump on this bandwagon. Mountains of wv could see up to 5 inches. DC and south will see slushy snow around 1-2 inches. Centreville, ashburn and areas north could see 4 inches.

Sticksboi05
December-4th-2007, 03:06 PM
you know i am gonna have to jump on this bandwagon. Mountains of wv could see up to 5 inches. DC and south will see slushy snow around 1-2 inches. Centreville, ashburn and areas north could see 4 inches.

It's not going to be slushy. It is going to be dry, it's a clipper.

Ji
December-4th-2007, 05:50 PM
enjoy the snow folks...the long range modeling is terrible for winter weather lovers. Might not be anything fun to talk about till Late December

Ji
December-4th-2007, 09:12 PM
snow advisory for the DC area issued by the NWS....everyone is starting to agree with my original forecast

ImmortalDragon
December-4th-2007, 09:14 PM
3 inches and NWS? Are you sure you're talking about the weather?

RLeVan
December-4th-2007, 09:17 PM
snow advisory for the DC area issued by the NWS....everyone is starting to agree with my original forecast

Would that be the one you initially canceled, or the one 2 days later when everybody and their brother were predicting the same thing? No takebacks dude.

Just giving you a hard time, Ji. :cheers:

G.A.C.O.L.B.
December-4th-2007, 09:18 PM
So when is this supposed to be starting? I gotta ton of **** to do tomorrow and I was hoping to knock it all out before the snow.

Skins24
December-4th-2007, 09:22 PM
http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_400x300c/SIR/inmaSIRNE.gif

I guess we wait and see if the huge big bad Appalachian mountains tear it up :laugh:

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 10:06 PM
http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_400x300c/SIR/inmaSIRNE.gif

I guess we wait and see if the huge big bad Appalachian mountains tear it up :laugh:

I admit that it looks a bit more impressive than previously thought.

It seems to be making more of a SE trend direction wise. That could actually benefit my area (Roanoke, VA).

We shall see.

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 10:07 PM
enjoy the snow folks...the long range modeling is terrible for winter weather lovers. Might not be anything fun to talk about till Late December

Long range models are the devil.

Seriously.

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 10:12 PM
EDIT: Nevermind.:laugh:

Skins24
December-4th-2007, 10:19 PM
Ahhh you changed it :)

That was for a different storm, lol

Toe Jam
December-4th-2007, 10:26 PM
Ahhh you changed it :)

That was for a different storm, lol

Hey man.. it's gettin' cold down here. And it's late. :silly:

I feel like an ass now.

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 02:38 AM
well, its early Wednesday morning, its below freezing, but no snow yet...

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 03:25 AM
4:24 AM in Rockville, seen a couple flurries here and there.

richard saunders
December-5th-2007, 04:54 AM
So when are we going to actually see some snow falling?

richard saunders
December-5th-2007, 04:56 AM
Ha....nevermind...its snowing now!

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 05:00 AM
yes, it is snowing very lightly, can't even tell by looking out the window, you need to really be outside to notice it.

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 05:34 AM
not looking good for buddha, i see a layer of snow coating the ground...

Teller
December-5th-2007, 05:35 AM
Flurries starting to pick up a little in Urbana (Frederick Co, Md.). :)

BawlCoach
December-5th-2007, 05:40 AM
Looks like a dusting here in Loudoun County

Who Del
December-5th-2007, 05:48 AM
Ji you were right!!!! You're going to get your own float in the New Years Day Parade for as a badge of honor for your accuracy!

Ji
December-5th-2007, 06:05 AM
dont be surprised to see 3-4 inches of snow. The models may be underdone with this one.

wantarace17
December-5th-2007, 06:08 AM
dont be surprised to see 3-4 inches of snow. The models may be underdone with this one.

hey now i said that first:silly:

Mark The Homer
December-5th-2007, 06:22 AM
It's already sticking here in northern Montgomery

wantarace17
December-5th-2007, 06:38 AM
sticking here in centreville

Ji
December-5th-2007, 06:55 AM
nothing like snow with the holiday lights up and stuff

portisizzle
December-5th-2007, 06:58 AM
nothing like snow with the holiday lights up and stuff


Are you gloating??? :laugh:

Buddha
December-5th-2007, 07:10 AM
Ah, the power of reverse psychology... ;)

kevinklein
December-5th-2007, 07:21 AM
Wow, he wasn't kidding. Look outside.

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 07:27 AM
damn, nearly all the snow on the roads has melted already...

rincewind
December-5th-2007, 07:42 AM
Bye, Buddha. :ciao:

rdsknbill
December-5th-2007, 07:42 AM
Just started up here. NOAA is saying 1-3 inches.
Guess my wife gets to try out her new snow tires.

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 07:58 AM
buddha's still got a chance, don't give up on him yet.

Enter Apotheosis
December-5th-2007, 08:36 AM
Starting to pick up a bit in Herndon... still not really sticking, though.

Mark The Homer
December-5th-2007, 08:40 AM
I don't want to say anything, but I've got half an inch of snow on my driveway right now, and it's only 9:40.

The only melting snow we have here is on the treated roads

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 08:40 AM
yeah, well its died down in fairfax, all the snow has melted off the streets.

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 08:46 AM
oh, it picked up again.

Toe Jam
December-5th-2007, 08:47 AM
I don't believe it.

It's snowing in Roanoke.

Ji
December-5th-2007, 10:06 AM
heavy band will be coming in soon from the west

rincewind
December-5th-2007, 10:10 AM
heavy band will be coming in soon from the west


So we haven't seen the heaviest part of the storm yet?

Major Harris
December-5th-2007, 10:13 AM
it's coming down very hard here right now...and i get to leave work early. :party:

Mark The Homer
December-5th-2007, 10:17 AM
It took my wife two and a half hours to negotiate the 19 miles into downtown DC this morning. However, now she says it's wet snow. The sidewalks are wet.

Here in northern Montgomery, it's dry snow. It's 29 degrees in my back yard right now. It's still accumulating on my driveway, trees, roofs, cars, etc.

jbooma
December-5th-2007, 10:38 AM
Traffic was HORRIBLE today. It toom me an hour to get out of the Reston area from the Tollroad and i LIVE in Reston.

The accidents on the ALB is what killed everything and the fact they DID NOT SAND THE DAM ROADS!!!!!!!

It was like a sheet of ice this morning.

Bang
December-5th-2007, 10:40 AM
Snowing like crazy here in southern MD. Doesn't appear to be sticking though. The roads look fine. It's been coming down pretty good for about 45 minutes now and the grass is just starting to show the slightest signs of white.

Good call Ji

~Bang

skinsfanevan
December-5th-2007, 10:54 AM
It took my wife two and a half hours to negotiate the 19 miles into downtown DC this morning. However, now she says it's wet snow. The sidewalks are wet.

Here in northern Montgomery, it's dry snow. It's 29 degrees in my back yard right now. It's still accumulating on my driveway, trees, roofs, cars, etc.


yup, its a blanket of whiteness outside :)

DCsportsfan53
December-5th-2007, 10:56 AM
Already got a solid 2-3 inches here in MoCo and it's still coming down. Ji pwned some people this time. :silly:

jbooma
December-5th-2007, 11:02 AM
lets have a weatherman rumble :)

here is my guess at a point structure:

3 pts for getting the storm right within 72 hours
5 pts for getting the storm right within a week
- 3 pts for every wrong prediction :)

you only get 1 prediction so the key is to be accurate

3 pts for getting the accumulation ban correct with 3 inch measurements 1 to 3 etc..
5 pts for getting the exact amount (using national airport)
- 2 points for every ban that is incorrect if we get 1-3 and it was 6-9 you lose 4 points
-5 pts if you call snow and we get ice (a combo is ok)
- 100 pts if you bull a Bob Ryan you call for snow in terms of feet and we do not get one ****ing flake :)

what do you all think

and it will be JI vs JP vs Buddha!!!!!

pjfootballer
December-5th-2007, 11:02 AM
We had one snowfall last year here. wish we could get a couple more this year. I like it every once in a while.

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 11:22 AM
before turning left into mason, i saw a car in front of me placed exactly sideways. after i came to a stop, i looked in my rear-view mirror and saw the car directly behind me was also exactly sideways.

4everaSkin
December-5th-2007, 11:23 AM
This morning was awesome. I left my house at 5:30 for the 32 mile commute downtown. Snowing hard. Streets already covered with dry powder. I loved passing cars and 4X4's on the 2 lane roads. Playing with the limit of traction. Did I mention I commute on motorcycle? :D. Shoulda seen the look on the guy's face in the 4X4 at the stop light. Rolled down his window to ask me if I am crazy. I said no and told him to make sure his mucho macho truck was in 4X mode. http://s3.amazonaws.com/advrider/super.gif

Enter Apotheosis
December-5th-2007, 11:26 AM
Already got a solid 2-3 inches here in MoCo and it's still coming down. Ji pwned some people this time. :silly:

If you keep guessing you have to be right eventually. As it stands he may still have been wrong about the amount of precipitation ;)

Mark The Homer
December-5th-2007, 11:27 AM
Already got a solid 2-3 inches here in MoCo and it's still coming down. Ji pwned some people this time. :silly:

I'm just north of Olney in Montgomer County. I just measured it. I have exactly two inches. The temp in my back yard is 31.5 degrees. It's still coming down hard.


If you keep guessing you have to be right eventually. As it stands he may still have been wrong about the amount of precipitation ;)

I thought he said 2-4 inches? Are you saying we could get over 4? Haha, tell me you're joking please.

Bacon
December-5th-2007, 11:27 AM
2.5-3 inches here already...should keep snowing until midnight.

Enter Apotheosis
December-5th-2007, 11:45 AM
I thought he said 2-4 inches? Are you saying we could get over 4? Haha, tell me you're joking please.

He said 1-3, and its supposed to keep sniwng until midnight... possibly getting a little heavier between 6 and 8 PM.

Mark The Homer
December-5th-2007, 11:56 AM
Here's what it looks like out my back door...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4398/snowdec07sm4.jpg

MrsJJ1981
December-5th-2007, 12:00 PM
I'm definitely not looking forward to my commute in 2 hours. :mad:

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 12:03 PM
Coming down pretty well in Silver Spring. 1:00 PM - we have 2.8 inches.

Bacon
December-5th-2007, 12:03 PM
Here's what it looks like out my back door...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4398/snowdec07sm4.jpg

No point in me posting a picture: looks exactly the same here. :D

skinsfan07
December-5th-2007, 12:06 PM
any word on how much snow there is in G-Town MD???
MoCo?

Man I'm in Charlotte for school. No way is it gonna snow here. I wish it did.

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 12:46 PM
we haven't gotten much over here, just a coating of snow, not real thickness to it.

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 01:32 PM
2:30 PM in Silver Spring and the snow has picked back up to a steady fall.

If the back end of the storm can survive the Appalachin mountains we could see another inch or two.

rdsknbill
December-5th-2007, 01:52 PM
We had a break after about three inches, but looking at the radar, and outside, it is looking like it will pick up again

KingGibbs
December-5th-2007, 01:58 PM
Here's what it looks like out my back door...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4398/snowdec07sm4.jpg

With that shed buckling and the woods I keep hearing the banjo from 'Deliverance.' Please don't tell me to squeal like a pig Mark.

Gary Clark Fan
December-5th-2007, 01:59 PM
Here's what it looks like out my back door...

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/4398/snowdec07sm4.jpg

mark that little house looks familiar......do u live off mcarthur blvd?

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 02:34 PM
3:30 PM in Silver Spring, snow is steady. Exactly 2 inches have fallen. It's not a very wet snow, but you can make light snowballs for sure.

The snowfall is vanishing when it hits the Appalachin Mountains, but it picks back up right before the Potomac. The mountains may be too much for the snow within the next couple hours, delaying more precipitation until the evening hours. Yet again, the storm may stay strong and keep rebuilding after the Appalachins.

Ji
December-5th-2007, 02:36 PM
guys

tomorrows storm as I said will be mostly a miss in terms of wintry precip. By the time, the precip occurs, the cold air will be scoured out. There is going to be alot of snow and ice in New England and even the Northern Mid Atlantic but for us...this isnt our storm.

much better chance for a few inches midweek from a potentially potent clipper racing down from Canada.

this wont be a big storm as clippers usually arnt and it will be fast moving but we could get a suprising accumulation

wow, i actually called this on Saturday!

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 03:58 PM
4:57 PM - The storm is staying strong and plowing right in to Maryland and D.C. This clipper isn't "clipping" at all, so to speak. It has overpowered the Appalachian Mountains, and thick cells have appeared all over Maryland and Pennsylvania. Northern Maryland is getting the brunt of it. While the storm is solid, it doesn't pack a real big punch, typical of clippers. I expect 4-5 inches in Montgomery County when all is said and done.

4everaSkin
December-5th-2007, 04:37 PM
Just incase you all thought I was BSing. Me and the mighty BMW R1200GS after the commute home tonight
http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e192/Blanc123/R1200GS/IMG_0544.jpg

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 04:59 PM
6:00 PM and snow has hit 3 inches in MoCo. It's coming down very well now. This should continue for another few hours. May get us to 4 1/2.

Shilsu
December-5th-2007, 05:00 PM
You said "Bank on it." That carries tremendous significance -- care to make a wager on it? Pick a specific location in the Washington area -- any location -- where you think there will be 1"-3" of snow. I GUARANTEE there will be NO MEASURABLE SNOW at that location. I believe the air will be too dry to snow and too warm by the time it becomes saturated. Lots of virga followed by a cold and depressing rain.

If you're right, I will never post again on Extremeskins.
If you are wrong, you must never post another weather prediction on Extremeskins.

Do we have a bet?

So is Buddha banned now?

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 05:05 PM
So is Buddha banned now?
if the snow goes over 3 inches, then technically ji was wrong.

Shilsu
December-5th-2007, 05:14 PM
if the snow goes over 3 inches, then technically ji was wrong.

But Buddha's guarantee was this:

"I GUARANTEE there will be NO MEASURABLE SNOW"

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 05:37 PM
6:30 PM and the snowflakes are HUGE. It's coming down at the fastest rate now. It's 4 inches in MoCo and growing. We may actually get a little more than 5 by the end.

Toe Jam
December-5th-2007, 05:39 PM
I think the agreement was that Ji would pick a place in the D.C. area. I don't think he ever did and therefore I don't think the bet was official.

I could be wrong though.

Skins24
December-5th-2007, 05:56 PM
The snow has picked up big time the last couple of hours.

Heavy band coming through. Total snow amounts are certainly going to higher than expected for just about everyone.

This should be it though for the heavy snow. It'll be snowing off and on for a while longer, but as far as heavy accumulating snow, this band should be it...

Sticksboi05
December-5th-2007, 06:16 PM
I think the agreement was that Ji would pick a place in the D.C. area. I don't think he ever did and therefore I don't think the bet was official.

I could be wrong though.

Look, Ji won the bet. There's no bs technicalities. EVERY location in the DC/Baltimore area has measurable snow.


EDIT: "Heavy" is a bit much, It was moderate snow, about 1 inch/hour.

Spaceman Spiff
December-5th-2007, 06:19 PM
Ji was right.

Burgold
December-5th-2007, 06:35 PM
Good prognosticating. Beat the guys on tv... they were claiming a dusting even last night.

Mark The Homer
December-5th-2007, 06:37 PM
I just measured the snow on top of my weber in my back yard. It measures 4 and 5/8 inches. Brookeville, Maryland.

Mark The Homer
December-5th-2007, 06:44 PM
With that shed buckling and the woods I keep hearing the banjo from 'Deliverance.' Please don't tell me to squeal like a pig Mark.I might -- if you look jest like a hog. :)

That's not a shed and it ain't gonna buckle. It's a spring house made of stone. Been there about 250 years.


mark that little house looks familiar......do u live off mcarthur blvd?

No but you're right - lots of structures are made of stone around there

CandaceM23
December-5th-2007, 06:45 PM
Now now boys!!!!

Ji - I've given you a hard time for a while now. Good job on this one. :)

Corcaigh
December-5th-2007, 06:54 PM
Good prognosticating. Beat the guys on tv... they were claiming a dusting even last night.

Not quite. From Capitalweather.com:

What are other forecasters saying? As of the early evening newscasts:

Bob Ryan (http://wrc.weatherplus.com/wxplocal/index.html) (Channel 4): Dusting to 1" in town, 1-2" western suburbs
Sue Palka/Gary McGrady (http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home) (Channel 5): Coating to an inch
Doug Hill (Channel 7 (http://www.wjla.com/weather/index.html)): Trace to 2"
Topper Shutt (http://www.wusa9.com/weather/default.aspx) (Channel 9): General 1"
National Weather Service (http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=DCZ001&warncounty=DCC001&firewxzone=DCZ001&local_place1=Washington+DC&product1=Snow+Advisory): 1-2"
What's the bottom line? This is a light snow event. Up to 1" of snow is a decent bet in the metro area, with somewhat higher amounts to the north and west and lighter amounts downtown.

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 07:03 PM
Say bye to the snow if you're in the Metro area within the next 2 hours. This was a hell of a clipper!

Skins24
December-5th-2007, 07:09 PM
EDIT: "Heavy" is a bit much, It was moderate snow, about 1 inch/hour.
Which by definition would be considered "heavy" :)


It was also heavier here in MD than it was in VA...


(I'm only talking about during that last snow band btw)

PokerPacker
December-5th-2007, 07:12 PM
I think the agreement was that Ji would pick a place in the D.C. area. I don't think he ever did and therefore I don't think the bet was official.

I could be wrong though.
alright, loophole! :cheers:

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-5th-2007, 07:26 PM
4 1/2 inches here in Silver Spring. Snow is tapering but still coming down pretty well in little flakes. Good snow!!

wantarace17
December-5th-2007, 07:52 PM
think we got 3.5-4 here in centreville

Sticksboi05
December-5th-2007, 08:06 PM
Ji, I've been seeing in some places, that the GFS shows a big coastal storm on around the 17th? Do you agree?

Ji
December-5th-2007, 09:42 PM
Ji, I've been seeing in some places, that the GFS shows a big coastal storm on around the 17th? Do you agree?

Ive seen it too but way too early to jump on it. Alot of things need to be in place that are not in place right now like a -NAO or a 50 50 low. Forget about snow for a while...its gonna warm up some next week. I do think there is a chance that it does turn wintries for the last 1/3 of December. I will focus on that starting tomorrow.

Sticksboi05
December-5th-2007, 09:43 PM
Ive seen it too but way too early to jump on it. Alot of things need to be in place that are not in place right now like a -NAO or a 50 50 low. Forget about snow for a while...its gonna warm up some next week. I do think there is a chance that it does turn wintries for the last 1/3 of December. I will focus on that starting tomorrow.

Oh no doubt. I mean, 12 days is basically a preliminary sketch of the Pentagon. I went on to this website which had some interesting things on historical east coast storms and their statistics. The Blizzard of 96 was pretty much a perfect set up.

Mark The Homer
December-6th-2007, 06:40 AM
Fourteen degrees this morning in Brookeville.

Proof of measurement at the top of my weber:

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/4631/showmeasureaw4.jpg

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/1963/snowdec07001aa6.jpg

http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/8239/snowdec07002ct8.jpg

Toe Jam
December-6th-2007, 08:37 AM
All hail Ji!

rachievegas
December-6th-2007, 08:41 AM
I have to move back up to Maryland, ASAP. I miss snow so badly - not driving in it, but seeing it. This South Carolina weather is stupid - it's going to be in the high 70s next week!

Burgold
December-6th-2007, 08:51 AM
Not quite. From Capitalweather.com:

What are other forecasters saying? As of the early evening newscasts:

Bob Ryan (http://wrc.weatherplus.com/wxplocal/index.html) (Channel 4): Dusting to 1" in town, 1-2" western suburbs
Sue Palka/Gary McGrady (http://www.myfoxdc.com/myfox/pages/Home) (Channel 5): Coating to an inch
Doug Hill (Channel 7 (http://www.wjla.com/weather/index.html)): Trace to 2"
Topper Shutt (http://www.wusa9.com/weather/default.aspx) (Channel 9): General 1"
National Weather Service (http://forecast.weather.gov/showsigwx.php?warnzone=DCZ001&warncounty=DCC001&firewxzone=DCZ001&local_place1=Washington+DC&product1=Snow+Advisory): 1-2"
What's the bottom line? This is a light snow event. Up to 1" of snow is a decent bet in the metro area, with somewhat higher amounts to the north and west and lighter amounts downtown.


Not so sure. The way I heard it was something more like this...

(Channel 4): Dusting to 1" in town, 1-2" western suburbs
(Channel 5): Coating to an inch


It's all in the intonation.

phanatic
December-6th-2007, 10:01 AM
Ive seen it too but way too early to jump on it. Alot of things need to be in place that are not in place right now like a -NAO or a 50 50 low. Forget about snow for a while...its gonna warm up some next week. I do think there is a chance that it does turn wintries for the last 1/3 of December. I will focus on that starting tomorrow.


Amazing forecast Ji!!!

Now can ya tell me if I'll ever meet a woman who doesn't seek to bend me over a barrel and rump rape me financially???

Skins24
December-6th-2007, 10:03 AM
Ji, I've been seeing in some places, that the GFS shows a big coastal storm on around the 17th? Do you agree?
The GFS also has it snowing here next Thursday as well....

Corcaigh
December-6th-2007, 11:49 AM
"Official totals" at:

http://www.weather.gov/view/prodsByState.php?state=MD&prodtype=public

Corcaigh
December-6th-2007, 11:50 AM
Not so sure. The way I heard it was something more like this...

(Channel 4): Dusting to 1" in town, 1-2" western suburbs
(Channel 5): Coating to an inch


It's all in the intonation.

Sort of a "we report, you decide" thing?

Ji
December-6th-2007, 12:54 PM
The GFS also has it snowing here next Thursday as well....

the gfs runs 4 times a day..it also flips 4 times a day. It has been consistently showing some big east coast storm on Dec 17-19 but that could be rain/snow or both. its too far away.

One thing is that this warmup is looking too be pretty shortlived. It will get warm but I dont see a long duration warmth

Ji
December-6th-2007, 01:50 PM
the new European model is showing a threat about 9-10 days away....so two models are seeing some "noise"

So there appears to be some kind of threat in the DEc 16-19 range. Lets see what happens

Skins24
December-6th-2007, 02:13 PM
the gfs runs 4 times a day..it also flips 4 times a day.
lol, yeah I know. I was just mentioning it.






Anyway, we could see a bit of sleet tomorrow. Not a lot, but any type of winter precip makes people flip in this area so, just a heads up....

Ji
December-6th-2007, 02:28 PM
New European Model has a major storm brewing day 9 and 10 in the gulf/SE. Its also showing a -NAO and cold air in place.

too bad its 10 days away but this is definitely a potential threat

Ji
December-6th-2007, 02:30 PM
too bad its 10 days away but interesting anyway

http://models.easternuswx.com/euro/ECM_12_opNA_P2TS_240.png

THEREALTOR1
December-6th-2007, 02:55 PM
Best thread ever...

jbooma
December-6th-2007, 04:44 PM
So according to this:


lets have a weatherman rumble

here is my guess at a point structure:

3 pts for getting the storm right within 72 hours
5 pts for getting the storm right within a week
- 3 pts for every wrong prediction

you only get 1 prediction so the key is to be accurate

3 pts for getting the accumulation ban correct with 3 inch measurements 1 to 3 etc..
5 pts for getting the exact amount (using national airport)
- 2 points for every ban that is incorrect if we get 1-3 and it was 6-9 you lose 4 points
-5 pts if you call snow and we get ice (a combo is ok)
- 100 pts if you bull a Bob Ryan you call for snow in terms of feet and we do not get one ****ing flake

what do you all think

and it will be JI vs JP vs Buddha!!!!!

The score is:

JI - 11
JP - 0
Budha - -1

Skins24
December-6th-2007, 04:59 PM
Friday's sleet? rain? snow?

http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_400x300c/SIR/inmaSIRNE.gif

jbooma
December-6th-2007, 05:10 PM
Friday's sleet? rain? snow?

http://sirocco.accuweather.com/nx_mosaic_400x300c/SIR/inmaSIRNE.gif


make your prediction so you can be part of the weather rumble :)

Skins24
December-6th-2007, 05:46 PM
make your prediction so you can be part of the weather rumble :)
I'll make my prediction tomorrow :)

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-6th-2007, 05:47 PM
I got it as sleet when the low hits. Rain otherwise.

Skins24
December-7th-2007, 01:23 AM
I got it as sleet when the low hits. Rain otherwise.
Coming in too quick.

Temps in the teens and low 20s right now, and with the snow pack and eventual cloud cover, temps will take longer to warm up.
I think the cold air is thick enough that we'll see more snow. And since it is so cold, a couple of inches of snow isn't out of the question if it holds up like it's looking (since it'll start sticking immediately). Will it or when will it change over is the question....

TampaSKINS
December-7th-2007, 03:22 AM
i do miss the snow! dont miss havin to live n go to work in the stuff tho

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-7th-2007, 03:45 AM
Coming in too quick.

Temps in the teens and low 20s right now, and with the snow pack and eventual cloud cover, temps will take longer to warm up.
I think the cold air is thick enough that we'll see more snow. And since it is so cold, a couple of inches of snow isn't out of the question if it holds up like it's looking (since it'll start sticking immediately). Will it or when will it change over is the question....

It IS coming in quick. But behind the section that is coming towards us is a front of warmth. We may see a bit of the frozen ilk this morning, but it's borderline what type it will be. Could be a mix until late-morning where it should turn to rain. The mountains should bust the part of the surge coming towards us pretty well, isn't very strong.

Rumrunner6900
December-7th-2007, 07:16 AM
Woke up the freezing rain of all damn things this morning. I didn't even know any kind of weather was coming in today! Looks like snow again for all of you up north of me. Must be nice!

Toe Jam
December-7th-2007, 09:21 AM
Woke up the freezing rain of all damn things this morning. I didn't even know any kind of weather was coming in today! Looks like snow again for all of you up north of me. Must be nice!

That just seems to be the story here in SW Virginia every year now.

Skins24
December-7th-2007, 11:35 AM
We're in a winter weather advisory...


I'm here downtown right now and it just switched back to sleet after raining a bit. I imagine it's sleeting or freezing rain in a lot of the 'burbs right now as well....

Rumrunner6900
December-7th-2007, 11:49 AM
That just seems to be the story here in SW Virginia every year now.

I know....and it is a damn shame. I moved to the mountains from NOVA expecting more snow! Now year after year, I see it snowing up that way and either raining or icing down here.

I'd much rather have snow than ice....almost busted my ass going to get the paper this morning!

Skins24
December-7th-2007, 12:01 PM
I should add, this winter weather advisory is for overnight as well.

Another round of ice is expected to come through. And temps will likely be freezing or below so a bit of ice accumulation is expected.

Ji
December-7th-2007, 03:42 PM
We're in a winter weather advisory...


I'm here downtown right now and it just switched back to sleet after raining a bit. I imagine it's sleeting or freezing rain in a lot of the 'burbs right now as well....
good call dude!

Sticksboi05
December-9th-2007, 07:47 PM
The big storm potential is still there around the 17th from the sources I've looked at. Ji, you agree?

Now, I'm saying POTENTIAL so don't bombard me.

They said NAO is forecasted to go negative which means the east coast should be watched for development.

THEREALTOR1
December-10th-2007, 08:06 PM
The big storm potential is still there around the 17th from the sources I've looked at. Ji, you agree?

Now, I'm saying POTENTIAL so don't bombard me.

They said NAO is forecasted to go negative which means the east coast should be watched for development.

Yeah...it's sad, this is becoming the first thread I look for when I open up the site...lol...

I'm beginning to put stock in this thread since the last forecast was pretty right on...My parents are probably leaving town (Delaware) right after christmas, and they have their 36' RV parked in a valley at a friends house. If there's more than 2" of snow the ground, they can't back the beast up the hill. I told them about this post, and they asked that I keep them informed.

thank you guys for the updates...

HTST
HTTR

Ji
December-11th-2007, 03:47 PM
Ji, I've been seeing in some places, that the GFS shows a big coastal storm on around the 17th? Do you agree?

its scary that we started talking about the storm coming up back on Dec 5. Long range modeling has really improved lol

Skins24
December-12th-2007, 09:01 PM
I guess this is the general weather thread....

Heads up to those to the north and west.
Could see a little bit of ice tomorrow morning.

This will be a cold rain event for everyone else (in the DC area)


Elsewhere, this will be a pretty big event for many places in the Northeast.

ComebackKing
December-12th-2007, 09:04 PM
Man people north are gonna get socked twice in 3 days. Most of northern New Jersey is under a heavy snow warning for tomorrow, 6-10 inches, then more huge stuff on Sunday/Sunday Night during the Skins game.

And all we get is a load of cold rain, yay.....

PokerPacker
December-12th-2007, 09:30 PM
so i guess DC isn't gonna be seeing it? damn. i could really use more time before that final...

rdsknbill
December-12th-2007, 10:21 PM
freezing rain and sleet. Depending on the temp. it could be a big ice event