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playboy1972
November-27th-2007, 09:35 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/323093.html

These photos were taken from the crime scene. One shows policeman taking out a home computer as evidence. And the other shows them replacing a lock. First question is why would they be checking a computer if everyone was asleep. Second, if they are changing the locks and not the entire door that would mean the person had a key or the door was left open. Sorry to be playing I SPY but this is the only way I can cope. I need answers.

wpenn1
November-27th-2007, 09:37 PM
could be looking for potential threats on email and maybe the lock was damaged and they are going to process it at the lab

G-Prime
November-27th-2007, 09:38 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/323093.html

These photos were taking from the crime scene. One shows policeman taking out a home computer as evidence. And the other shows them replacing a lock. First question is why would they be checking a computer if everyone was asleep. Second, if they are changing the locks and not the entire door that would mean the person had a key or the door was left open. Sorry to be playing I SPY but this is the only way I can cope. I need answers.

Computer's will ALWAYS be taken from a crime scene.. The locks? well ya got me there.. Interesting, unless they door knobs were taken as evidence and new one's are being installed for "security"

jsgregg
November-27th-2007, 09:38 PM
This will be a massive investigation and executing a search warrant on a PC is pretty standard in terms of reconstructing someones life and dealings. They are changing the locks so that only the police will have access to the residence...also pretty standard.

Skintime
November-27th-2007, 09:39 PM
Or he could have set up some sort of video surveillance using web cams.

authentic
November-27th-2007, 09:39 PM
*sigh*..............i have some other suspisions about this as well. But since this is all fresh, i'm going to reserve that particular comment. However, this ordeal is getting more and more fishy, SERIOUSLY.

ddub52
November-27th-2007, 09:39 PM
Im not sure what all that means, it does seem odd, but I read this part of the article
He then talked about his son's death. ``Whatever took place between He and God at the time, He [God] had it all in control. I'm at peace with God, and God, he makes no mistakes.''
Its comforting to look at it in this light

voicekiller
November-27th-2007, 09:40 PM
Just CSI's doing their job...they have to look at everything

S.T.real,lights,out
November-27th-2007, 09:41 PM
*sigh*..............i have some other suspiousions about this as well. But since this is all fresh, i'm going to reserve that particular comment. However, this ordeal is getting more and more fishy, SERIOUSLY.

I think im with you.

Vicarious
November-27th-2007, 09:43 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/323093.html

These photos were taking from the crime scene. One shows policeman taking out a home computer as evidence. And the other shows them replacing a lock. First question is why would they be checking a computer if everyone was asleep. Second, if they are changing the locks and not the entire door that would mean the person had a key or the door was left open. Sorry to be playing I SPY but this is the only way I can cope. I need answers.

PFT.com is saying that the police are investigating the chances that it might have been one his old freinds,that he didnt like the fact that ST was changing his ways and he would be out in the cold.

skinfan2k
November-27th-2007, 09:44 PM
Computers u have AIM, email, internet postings, and etc

you could tell if this was setup by computer or what not

RobertGoulet
November-27th-2007, 09:46 PM
This will be a massive investigation and executing a search warrant on a PC is pretty standard in terms of reconstructing someones life and dealings. They are changing the locks so that only the police will have access to the residence...also pretty standard.


Good post. Unfortunately this whole ordeal and the emotion is bringing the conspiracy theories out in everyone, including myself when I first saw these pictures.

Vi
November-27th-2007, 09:47 PM
I wouldn't look too deeply into it. Not now. Not yet.

playboy1972
November-27th-2007, 09:49 PM
*sigh*..............i have some other suspisions about this as well. But since this is all fresh, i'm going to reserve that particular comment. However, this ordeal is getting more and more fishy, SERIOUSLY.

The part that I don't understand is that Sean Taylor is not the only person in that community with money. And to be hit twice in a weeks time, just doesn't sound right. I still would like to know if the young lady lived there or if some other family lived there. Portis stated that Taylor's fiance flew down this weekend and Taylor visited with her. This is starting to sound like some Michael VIck type stuff to where relatives might have something going on at this home when he isn't there.

ddub52
November-27th-2007, 09:52 PM
there was just a caller on CNN asking if his girlfriend had another lover that wanted to get rid of Sean. WAY too much specualtion going on right now. I dont think we'll ever know the full truth.

chow184
November-27th-2007, 09:57 PM
if ST's killer made any threats to him via the internet all I can do is hope the cops can nab him

playboy1972
November-27th-2007, 09:57 PM
CoolhandsCooley posted this nugget in another thread. Stating people are already speculating it to be one of Taylor friends who he has cut back.

http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm

authentic
November-27th-2007, 10:02 PM
The part that I don't understand is that Sean Taylor is not the only person in that community with money. And to be hit twice in a weeks time, just doesn't sound right. I still would like to know if the young lady lived there or if some other family lived there. Portis stated that Taylor's fiance flew down this weekend and Taylor visited with her. This is starting to sound like some Michael VIck type stuff to where relatives might have something going on at this home when he isn't there.

the thing i can get passed is that, i know when there is a burglary/murder attempt, usually the suspect does not want any potential witnesses to testify against them. However, Sean was the only one shot. uuummmm, right now i'm going to leave it at that. But again, this IMO is kinda fishy.

skinsbosoxheels
November-27th-2007, 10:05 PM
Nothing is adding up....1st of all Sean flies to Miami Sat night...spur of the moment or planned out visit...neighborhood very safe and wealthy...house is broken into at 1:30 am on a Sunday night...(I don't know about you...but I am not breaking into a house late at night not knowing what kind of weapons I may encounter)...Security System turned off...Phone lines were cut and not working according to girlfriend...today the Miami PD say that was not the case...she called 911 from her cell phone...did she call imediately or wait...I think the girlfriend is gonna be the #1 suspect....IMO

Pete
November-27th-2007, 10:09 PM
I know it's urge that's hard to resist while we wait for answers that may never come, but the last thing we need right now is knee jerk reactions, resulting in a zillion wild theories.

playboy1972
November-27th-2007, 10:11 PM
Portis also said that Sean Taylor told him that he didn't know why the Skins wouldn't let him go with the team to Tampa. So the team told him to stay in Ashburn and not to make the trip, yet he close to go Miami on his own, and stay there. And him being shot at 1:45am tells me he had no plans to come to Redskins Park for morning meetings.

ldysknzfn1
November-27th-2007, 10:13 PM
OK..I wasn't going to post in this thread b/c I think they serve no purpose other than to give ppl something to do during this difficult time. But after reading some of the posts in this thread I couldn't help myself.


While things APPEAR to be not what was originally reported, you have to remember NONE of us or them(police) know what occurred in that house on that night. NONE of us were there. No matter how much we thought we knew Sean..we really didn't not on a personal level anyway.

Regardless of what did or didn't occur in that home at that moment and regardless of what MAY have brought those events to fruition...Sean Taylor lost his life. Nobody...AND I MEAN NOBODY deserves to lose their lives in this way! I don't care what he did or didn't do in his past, who he knew or didn't know, who he hung out with, or who did or didn't like him...regardless of all these things...HE DIDN'T DESERVE TO DIE! This was a violent, senseless act of a cowardly, ignorant being.

I've heard lots of reports today on the radio that pretty much said .."he got what he deserved ", "you play w/fire, you get burned", "his troubled past must have caught up w/him". Now they didn't use these exact words..but I felt the undertones.

It doesn't matter what brought these events on...THIS YOUNG MAN LOST HIS LIFE IN A WAY THAT NO ONE DESERVES NO MATTER WHAT IS IN
THEIR PAST.

Now I feel better.

playboy1972
November-27th-2007, 10:16 PM
I know it's urge that's hard to resist while we wait for answers that may never come, but the last thing we need right now is knee jerk reactions, resulting in a zillion wild theories.

You may be right. I was off today and I have been on this damn computer with this stuff literally all day. This hurts so bad that everytime I log off I come back to say something else. There are just so many unanswered questions that I feel empty inside. My only wish is to awaken tomorrow with the news that someone has been captured and then maybe we can have closure but until then we will suffer through this together.

Bizkiteer
November-27th-2007, 10:20 PM
Take it for what it's worth, but I had an ex-cop (family friend) at my house today and talked about what had transpired w/ ST. The first thing she said was..."They need to look at the girlfriend very closely because it's very odd that they (intruder/s) broke in and shot him, but she was not harmed being right there." Now that doesn't mean she is involved, but as many have pointed out with so much of the information that's come out...it was more than a burglary.

vainglory
November-27th-2007, 10:22 PM
the first 48 hours are the most important in a homicide and therefore everyday after will only decrease the likelihood someone is charged.......

EverydayFan80
November-27th-2007, 10:22 PM
I just pray they find the scum that murdered him!

voicekiller
November-27th-2007, 10:30 PM
I just pray they find the scum that murdered him!
I hope they find him and sentence him to the death penalty.

trpnbillie11
November-27th-2007, 10:32 PM
*sigh*..............i have some other suspisions about this as well. But since this is all fresh, i'm going to reserve that particular comment. However, this ordeal is getting more and more fishy, SERIOUSLY.

I'm going to be very careful with this statement....but I tend to agree with you. I think there is something behind this and it may very well be something we as his fans and supporters won't like. I really, really hope it isn't, but I personally at least want to prepare myself for that possible outcome...

jaespinoza2000
November-27th-2007, 10:34 PM
it looks like he has hurricane shutters up on his house still, maybe a sort of security system? regardless i hope the people who are responsible get whats coming to them....

Portis4Lfe
November-27th-2007, 10:38 PM
I just hope he atleast had a video camera on the premises or something and they get this dude cuz I WANT SOME ANSWERS NOW. Im done cryin and Im angry now.

Heisenberg
November-27th-2007, 10:41 PM
I'm going to be very careful with this statement....but I tend to agree with you. I think there is something behind this and it may very well be something we as his fans and supporters won't like. I really, really hope it isn't, but I personally at least want to prepare myself for that possible outcome...



Since you went ahead and basically said what I have been pondering for a good part of the night, I'll just say that I definitely see what you are getting at and I am wondering how this will affect my feelings if something comes to light that may not be favorable. I don't really know how I will feel but I wonder if it will make me wonder why I felt emotion during this situation. I sincerely hope this isn't the case but there are such strange circumstances involved with this homicide that the imagine tends to lead you in directions you may not want to go. I hope I don't get flamed for this comment.

COOLhandsCOOLEY
November-27th-2007, 10:47 PM
Since you went ahead and basically said what I have been pondering for a good part of the night, I'll just say that I definitely see what you are getting at and I am wondering how this will affect my feelings if something comes to light that may not be favorable. I don't really know how I will feel but I wonder if it will make me wonder why I felt emotion during this situation. I sincerely hope this isn't the case but there are such strange circumstances involved with this homicide that the imagine tends to lead you in directions you may not want to go. I hope I don't get flamed for this comment.

I won't lie. When I first heard about this and learned of where the shooting was, and that at the time there were no witnesses - I immediatley thought of Phil Hartman (Comedian tragically murdered by his wife who was mentally unstable)

This may be something that we never fully get an understanding of for any number of reasons, but one things is certain. A young man with limitless potential is dead due gun violence. My intuition leads me to believe that this was someone Sean Taylor knew, and who Sean may have tried to get out of his life and was killed for it. That being said I have no basis for facts on that just what my gut say's.

Heisenberg
November-27th-2007, 10:51 PM
I won't lie. When I first heard about this and learned of where the shooting was, and that at the time there were no witnesses - I immediatley thought of Phil Hartman (Comedian tragically murdered by his wife who was mentally unstable)

This may be something that we never fully get an understanding of for any number of reasons, but one things is certain. A young man with limitless potential is dead due gun violence. My intuition leads me to believe that this was someone Sean Taylor knew, and who Sean may have tried to get out of his life and was killed for it. That being said I have no basis for facts on that just what my gut say's.


My first thoughts when I heard the situation on ESPN.com and it first read that he was shot in the groin area but didn't seem as serious as would later come out is that it must have involved a situation with a female, mainly due to the location where he was shot. As details of the situation have started to emerge I am inclined to lean towards what you just said about someone he knew and maybe had beef about being pushed away.

However, I just really hope that he was the changed person that everyone has talked so much about. The fact is that we never really know athletes as much as we think we do and I hope they find the person that did this and questions are answered and that this is not a situation that could have been avoided by different decisions. (other than not staying at the house)

E-Dog Night
November-27th-2007, 10:52 PM
I don't see anything strange about it, not in the least.

1) Computers taken from a murder victim's home couldn't be more normal. They're looking to see if there's something on there that could provide a clue - threats via email or IM, for instance. Could be lots of useful info. People he contacted, people who might have heard something, people the police need to talk to....IP addresses...you name it.

2) There have been 2 or 3 break-ins at his house recently, which could have resulted in a broken lock or door, and there may be other doors that are not secured enough. The locks would be replaced/added to keep looters/hosebags away who are looking to sell something on ebay. It isn't as if the cops will be staying there around the clock. Plus, the police don't know how many spare keys there are out there, and who might have one. They need to secure the residence to protect the crime scene.

BAFGA
November-28th-2007, 12:43 AM
there was just a caller on CNN asking if his girlfriend had another lover that wanted to get rid of Sean. WAY too much specualtion going on right now. I dont think we'll ever know the full truth.

I think we will. Right now it is still settling in but once the investigation gathers steam people are going to start being even more saddened or very surprised or very angry. I don't know which one yet.

SlinginSammy HOF '63
November-28th-2007, 12:50 AM
I'm too emotionally drained at this point to speculate. Sadly we'll have to relive all of this on Sunday with the game and then a funeral. If only he could just made it with his life.

My wife today for the first time came to realize how special our team to us. We aren't like normal fans. This team is an extension of us and we experience all the ups and downs that the team does. We draw our identity from this team.

pvkeeper19
November-28th-2007, 01:01 AM
If I had to guess, I'd say that the intruder(s) did not intend to kill Sean. If they did, it seems more likely that they would have A) aimed for somewhere more vital (head or chest), or B) fired more shots after hitting him. It seems like they were there to steal something and didn't expect to encounter anyone there. They kicked down the door, saw a large man holding a large knife, popped off a couple of shots, and ran.

Pure speculation of course.

Rdskns2000
November-28th-2007, 01:24 AM
We will get the answers. Right now isn't the time to worry about that. The police will do their murder investigation and catch the killer. We will find out if this was a random act or something more sinister.

The investigation has just begun. Let's mourn for now. Let's get thru the funeral next week. Then when the facts come in; we can see what lead to Sean's murder. Nothing will change that- he was murdered!

zskins
November-28th-2007, 02:19 AM
Take a look at this:

Miami-Dade police detectives removed door frames (they will put that door frame under the microscope and this is why they are replacing the door lock along with a new door frame) and also took his personal computer (to gather some info to see if ST knew the killers).

http://www.local10.com/news/14701281/detail.html

I know we all want answers like yesterday but we all at the same time have to just wait. Unfortunatley these high profile crimes can take some time.

RalphZero
November-28th-2007, 06:45 AM
Plenty of things don't make sense.

The House was surrounded by a gate and a wall. Why was it so easy for someone to enter the property and climb in through the bathroom window?

As of now I am guessing that the shooter and Sean Taylor knew each other and the shooter was a guest in the house. I'm guessing the phone lines were cut while the shooter was escaping.

What was the motive for the shooting. Burglars and Robbers don't want to shoot anyone. They want to steal things and leave.

I'm guessing Taylor's girlfriend knows exactly who the shooter is and, for some reason, is making up some bullcrap story about a robbery.

Below is an exerpt from a LA Times article:

Miami-Dade Police were searching for a shooting suspect but conceded in a statement that they had no description of the gunman or reliable information on the number of perpetrators involved.

"According to a preliminary investigation, it appears that the victim was shot inside the home by an intruder," Miami-Dade Police said in a statement. "We do not have a subject description at this time."

Police spokesman Robert Williams urged anyone with information to call the Miami-Dade CrimeStoppers hotline. He described the investigation as in very early stages, an apparent allusion to the lack of witnesses or known suspects.

Police on Monday collected fingerprints and other forensic evidence at the player's pale-yellow ranch house surrounded by a white wall and black metal gates. Processing of that evidence was accelerated after Taylor died, transforming the case from one of a suspected break-in to a murder investigation.

Xameil
November-28th-2007, 07:36 AM
lets see...computer as has been said...any emails or IMs. Also security cameras could have been linked to it. He did just have a system put in I thought I read. The door knobs...well when you install a door, the hardware isn't always attached ;). about 5 mins before that pic was taken, he may have been hanging a new door.

theTruthTeller
November-28th-2007, 07:57 AM
My thoughts:

Multiple reasons lead me to believe that the police know who did it: (1) no apparent immediate concern for the rest of a wealthy neighborhood, (2) no dissemination of sketches or other information on the perpetrators, and (3) no reward for information, even though they could easily get huge reward money from the NFL, Skins, teammates, other players.

I don't think its the girlfriend, because she was with Sean all night at the hospital. The police wouldn't have allowed it if she was a prime suspect.

I think it must be someone very close to Sean or working in connection with someone close to Sean.

hardhitter
November-28th-2007, 08:16 AM
Unfortunately, as much as I do not want to speculate, it's human nature to try and make sense of this thing and the only thing that makes sense is

The cops know and the family knows and every body involved up close knows including the redskins. I think they are just quiet without letting the details out to pay proper respect to SeanTay. We will know the truth (IMO) only after the funeral after proper respects have been paid to him. I also think this may be at the request of the family. There is just too much lackadaisicalness (at least publicly) from the cops on this case and that can only mean they probably know everything they need to know.

Art McDonough
November-28th-2007, 08:34 AM
There are literally thousands of possibilities from just a random act to a carefully planned and complex crime. Hopefully, the investigators will solve it and justice will be done. I do have some questions, though, that I have thought about:

1. In the earlier break-in, it was noted that nothing was apparently taken; just that various areas were ransacked. It seems to me, then, that in that case, the intruder was looking for something specific which he/she did not find. What could it have been? Was it staged?

2. ST's house was broken into twice in two weeks, yet no other homes in the area reported crimes? Coincidence?

3. It was reported that ST went to Florida to see a specialist about his injury yet coach Gibbs seemed to know nothing about it. I would think the coaching staff would have been the ones to encourage that. ST would normally have to either be at Redskin park Monday or get the coach's permission to be absent. Did he actually see a specialist or have an appointment? Did he have a return flight reservation for early Monday?

4. The randomness of the shots (one miss and one to the leg area) indicates either there was a scuffle or that the shooter was not a very good shot. Criminal types are normally pretty good with a handgun. Who was this intruder?

dieselfan44
November-28th-2007, 08:40 AM
I'm a cop....its all pretty standard

skins420
November-28th-2007, 08:44 AM
What about a reward?I'm sure if Dan Snyder put up a million the killers would be outted by one of their so called friends real fast,money talks just about everywhere.

JosephGibbs
November-28th-2007, 08:45 AM
lets see...computer as has been said...any emails or IMs. Also security cameras could have been linked to it. He did just have a system put in I thought I read. The door knobs...well when you install a door, the hardware isn't always attached ;). about 5 mins before that pic was taken, he may have been hanging a new door.

Did he have a security system? I thought I read he did not have one; surprising based off the expense of the home

theTruthTeller
November-28th-2007, 08:46 AM
There are literally thousands of possibilities from just a random act to a carefully planned and complex crime. Hopefully, the investigators will solve it and justice will be done. I do have some questions, though, that I have thought about:

1. In the earlier break-in, it was noted that nothing was apparently taken; just that various areas were ransacked. It seems to me, then, that in that case, the intruder was looking for something specific which he/she did not find. What could it have been? Was it staged?

2. ST's house was broken into twice in two weeks, yet no other homes in the area reported crimes? Coincidence?

3. It was reported that ST went to Florida to see a specialist about his injury yet coach Gibbs seemed to know nothing about it. I would think the coaching staff would have been the ones to encourage that. ST would normally have to either be at Redskin park Monday or get the coach's permission to be absent. Did he actually see a specialist or have an appointment? Did he have a return flight reservation for early Monday?

4. The randomness of the shots (one miss and one to the leg area) indicates either there was a scuffle or that the shooter was not a very good shot. Criminal types are normally pretty good with a handgun. Who was this intruder?
I thought Gibbs knew he was there the whole time. He said he talked to ST about an earlier break-in to the house.

Criminals are not generally good shots. They have guns to intimidate people, but they don't spend a lot of time at the practice range. He could have been carrying a gun for years and never fired it - and coming upon ST with a machete would throw off anyone's aim.

You make a good point about the house being ransacked without anything being taken. It could be that the murderer was looking for something specific, maybe something that he thought belonged to him, and wasn't interested in items of value. Another reason that it had to be someone very close to ST.

Dan T.
November-28th-2007, 08:49 AM
Don't put much significance into the location of a shot. Outside of movies or television shows, intruders who are surprised by a resident - at night - in the dark - in an unfamiliar setting - amidst instant chaos - in a matter of tenths of seconds - don't pause to contemplate where they intend to aim for their victim.

And for all you criminological geniuses who callously name Sean's girl friend as a prime suspect: I'll applaud your keen insight into crime and justice if it turns out she is involved. Otherwise, I expect you to come back and apologize for dragging her through the mud based on NO evidence.

pjfootballer
November-28th-2007, 08:58 AM
The sad part about it all is, if the Bullet had have went 1 inch either way, we'd only be talking about a bullet wound and Sean would be in a hospital bed sitting up eating Jello.

jimster
November-28th-2007, 09:00 AM
If I had to guess, I'd say that the intruder(s) did not intend to kill Sean. If they did, it seems more likely that they would have A) aimed for somewhere more vital (head or chest), or B) fired more shots after hitting him. It seems like they were there to steal something and didn't expect to encounter anyone there. They kicked down the door, saw a large man holding a large knife, popped off a couple of shots, and ran.

Pure speculation of course.

there were two shots fired and the second hit him and hit him low. - Someone I know told me that a low shot often indicates the shooter was running away as he shot. In other words, was caught by surprise that Taylor was even there and trying to get away from him.

The fact that the house was broken into a week before and a knife was left on his bed, makes me wonder if the intruder was going back in to retrieve the evidence and didn't expect him to be there. They probably had cased the house and saw that it was normally empty.

Phones lines cut may have been the burglars method of disabling the alarm on the home.

TallyHo
November-28th-2007, 09:10 AM
And for all you criminological geniuses who callously name Sean's girl friend as a prime suspect: I'll applaud your keen insight into crime and justice if it turns out she is involved. Otherwise, I expect you to come back and apologize for dragging her through the mud based on NO evidence.

Yeah, I agree with this. If she had ANYTHING to do with it, the cops will know quickly. You have to be pretty dumb to do anything to your significant other, since that's one of the first places the cops will look.

Until there's some reason to blame her for anything, let's quit the HAY GUYS I JUST WATCHED A HALF HOUR OF COURTTV bull.

Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
November-28th-2007, 09:12 AM
The sad part about it all is, if the Bullet had have went 1 inch either way, we'd only be talking about a bullet wound and Sean would be in a hospital bed sitting up eating Jello.

*sigh* Don't break my heart, man. :(

phatboy41
November-28th-2007, 09:30 AM
If I had to guess, I'd say that the intruder(s) did not intend to kill Sean. If they did, it seems more likely that they would have A) aimed for somewhere more vital (head or chest), or B) fired more shots after hitting him. It seems like they were there to steal something and didn't expect to encounter anyone there. They kicked down the door, saw a large man holding a large knife, popped off a couple of shots, and ran.

Pure speculation of course.



For the most part this is what I believe as well... I do let my mind speculate a bit, and this in part is due to all the speculation surrounding the incident already. Of course, no one including myself has any factual information other than the very small timeline provided by the media to us.

I would think if this was an assasination as said in the previous post, that the killer would have either shot the victim in the chest or head, and if in the chest there would have been more than just two gun shots. It seems to me it was more likely that the killer stumbled upon Sean, and got scared aimed and fired two to hold him back and took off.

The speculation I have is what item the burglar was looking for. If the house was invaded before and nothing was taken, why would any burglar come back to the same house, especially if people knew about it. He would have to expect that the attempted burglary would have been reported and a guard or security would be beefed up at the residence.

All just speculation, please don't burn me for this post, I am incredibly broken hearted from Sean's death and this is in no way any disrespect to him (in case anyone misunderstands what I'm writing). I do hope this investigation takes off, and we find out who did this to Sean.

authentic
November-28th-2007, 09:31 AM
Take it for what it's worth, but I had an ex-cop (family friend) at my house today and talked about what had transpired w/ ST. The first thing she said was..."They need to look at the girlfriend very closely because it's very odd that they (intruder/s) broke in and shot him, but she was not harmed being right there." Now that doesn't mean she is involved, but as many have pointed out with so much of the information that's come out...it was more than a burglary.

if you read my earlier post in the thread. That was exactly my point. Growing up in the inner city, i know that in 95% of these cases where it is a burglary/homicide, the suspect DOESNOT want any potential witnesses to they usually take everyone out. I'm trying not so go too deep into it right now since we really don't know and its still all fresh for us. But you have to be naive to not look at her.... Just saying.

Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin
November-28th-2007, 09:34 AM
I think people are REALLY reading too much into where the bullet hit.

If it's dark and someone startles you (or hell, just the fact you aren't practiced) then you could easily hit the groin when you were aiming for the chest.

Maybe some information will come out but until then, I have to go with the "two shot" story and that just makes it sound like someone went "bang bang" and ran out.

They may never have seen Jackie or known she'd be there or not have any interest in it. Also, if the intruders wore masks or something to obscure their visage, it's not like they'd NEED to kill a woman and child (instant death penalty) to avoid identification.

authentic
November-28th-2007, 09:47 AM
I think people are REALLY reading too much into where the bullet hit.

If it's dark and someone startles you (or hell, just the fact you aren't practiced) then you could easily hit the groin when you were aiming for the chest.

Maybe some information will come out but until then, I have to go with the "two shot" story and that just makes it sound like someone went "bang bang" and ran out.

They may never have seen Jackie or known she'd be there or not have any interest in it. Also, if the intruders wore masks or something to obscure their visage, it's not like they'd NEED to kill a woman and child (instant death penalty) to avoid identification.

Possible, not doubt. Actually i hope that was the case.

DJAP221
November-28th-2007, 10:00 AM
Ok like many have side computers are taken from crime scenes, it's almost the standard procedure now days. Replacing the locks or even the doors I would think it to provide access only to investigators to make sure no evidence is disturbed.

Monday night it was said that Gibbs gave him permission to miss the game and to take care the situation at home concerning the break ins. It was mention that the house had been broking in twice before this (now its reported this was the 2nd break in or I'm not sure if this was 2 or 3). He could have been planning on returning early Monday morning for team meetings.

I do think it was someone he knew. He reportly had been weeding out his bad friends and trying to turn his life around. Some those people would perfer to see you dead than to succeed without them. I don't think Jackie had anything to do with it. How long did it take her to call for help? Why wasn't she shot too? I can only speculate and give an example. Back before we had our son, we woke up to hear what sounded like someone trying to break into our house. My boyfriend got up told me to hide an no matter what, not say anything or come out until he said it was ok. I did as he said, lucky for us it was out drunk upstairs neighbor trying to unlock our door with his key.

Sean could have told her to hide with the baby and not come out, or if they all were in the same bed, being it was dark she and the baby might been hiding under the cover and stayed hidden until she thought the killer was gone.

Does things seem odd yes. The previous break ins and nothing was taken, nothing taken this time, the phone lines cut, why weren't they cut before. He heard noise downstairs got up locked the door, then they come upstairs and kick in the door. If it was just a robbery, they would have taken something the first time not to mention if the door was locked that told them someone was in the room, why kick the door down if they didn't intend to hurt someone. As for where he was shot, the shooter could have been trying to shoot him in the stomach, it could have been a struggle, no one really knows but the knife being left on the bed also sends up red flags.

I hope Jackie had nothing to do with it and don't think she did but if so, it would be sad because that would leave thier daughter with no parent in her life.

The most important thing is ST is dead and shouldn't be.

jimster
November-28th-2007, 10:03 AM
I think people are REALLY reading too much into where the bullet hit.

If it's dark and someone startles you (or hell, just the fact you aren't practiced) then you could easily hit the groin when you were aiming for the chest.

Maybe some information will come out but until then, I have to go with the "two shot" story and that just makes it sound like someone went "bang bang" and ran out.

They may never have seen Jackie or known she'd be there or not have any interest in it. Also, if the intruders wore masks or something to obscure their visage, it's not like they'd NEED to kill a woman and child (instant death penalty) to avoid identification.


this is what I'm thinking. The reports said he left the bedroom - she may never have been seen and if the intention was to kill him, then they would have at least fired a few more shots. I just think the intruders weren't expecting anyone to be there.

playboy1972
November-28th-2007, 10:05 AM
http://www.mediatakeout.com/19944/lawyers_begin_fighting_over_nfls_sean_taylors_esta te.html

Looks like Sean didn't have a will and the families may already be fighting over the estate.

Sknsnation
November-28th-2007, 10:11 AM
I know it's urge that's hard to resist while we wait for answers that may never come, but the last thing we need right now is knee jerk reactions, resulting in a zillion wild theories. You are right Pete,we need more info and all, must show restraint.

ekg125
November-28th-2007, 10:35 AM
His girlfriend HAD to have called 911 immediately, then applied her own version of CPR otherwise, Sean would've bled to death in a minute, being shot in the femoral artery.

I've been a hunter for most of my adult life, and I know for a fact that, in order to place a deadly shot, one must take time to aim for the vitals, then slowly 'squeeze' the trigger.

The intruder must have targeted Sean, because they were awakened by a loud noise (probably the window, or door being violated). Sean then grabbed his machete, but was met at his bedroom door before he could open it.

A burglar would've spent more time looking for goods, instead of heading straight for Sean's bedroom. The intruder had to have been surprised to find a large black figure, in a darkened bedroom (assuming Sean would've been intelligent enough to NOT turn on his bedroom light in this situation), lifted his gun, and started shooting at anything that moved. The intruder then ran, FAST, to avoid being identified by any neighbors who may have heard the intrusion, followed by gunshots.

Sean's girlfriend DID NOT want Sean to be killed... Stop with the insanity people! The killer will be brought to justice. If only a reward were posted, the killer may be found sooner, than later. Money talks... and so do 'so called' friends...

FrFan
November-28th-2007, 12:11 PM
http://www.miamiherald.com/459/story/323093.html

These photos were taken from the crime scene. One shows policeman taking out a home computer as evidence. And the other shows them replacing a lock. First question is why would they be checking a computer if everyone was asleep. Second, if they are changing the locks and not the entire door that would mean the person had a key or the door was left open. Sorry to be playing I SPY but this is the only way I can cope. I need answers.


WAS TAYLOR SLAIN BY A FORMER FRIEND? (http://www.profootballtalk.com/rumormill.htm)

"There is chatter in league circles that police in Florida initially are exploring whether Redskins safety Sean Taylor was shot by one of his former friends.

This image (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/apphoto/photo?sportId=28&photoId=1743473) of police removing a computer from Taylor's home supports the notion that police are exploring the question of whether he was killed by someone he knew.

Then again, it's a fairly obvious starting point. Random crime happens in random places; when someone's home is invaded for the sole apparent purpose of shooting into the owner's bedroom, logic suggests that there was some prior relationship between criminal and victim.

And if that's the case, maybe now we know why guys like Mike Vick don't make a clean break from guys like Quanis Phillips. If, as Vick once explained it, there was a promise of some sort made among boyhood friends that if one of them "makes it" they'll all "make it" and if one or more of said friends has exhibited some antisocial tendencies, an abrupt decision to cut the friends off could, in theory, put the one who "makes it" in grave danger.

If there's any truth to this, it's a horrible dilemma for a young man to attempt to resolve. He can either continue to associate with friends who might be inclined to do things that could get him in trouble. Or he can turn his back on them and risk being the victim of a murder that won't be solved because no one who knows anything of value will cooperate with the police.

Like so many other problems that are out there, we're good at spotting it but not so good at solving it. This is one case where we wish that we could."
PFT

jimster
November-28th-2007, 12:16 PM
when someone's home is invaded for the sole apparent purpose of shooting into the owner's bedroom, logic suggests that there was some prior relationship between criminal and victim.



They also broke in already, knew the house was vacant, knew there was a safe in his bedroom. If you're a burglar by profession, an empty house with a safe is pretty attractive. Not to mention, he left a knife in his bedroom the first time he was there. - Maybe he was going back to retrieve that as well.