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Spanky731
December-7th-2007, 02:52 AM
LINK
(http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/335307.html)
Kenny Phillips will forgo his senior season and turn pro. It's still very early and it has been established that there are many other pressing areas of need that we must address this offseason, but if this guy is there when we pick, it'd be hard to say no. 6'2" ball hawk with a meanstreak.

I did not enjoy watching the bears game tonight. I felt as though i was watching another team, not sure why this was but I have a feelling its ST. I think it will be a while before im able to enjoy the skins again, and adding a stud like phillips to our pourish secondary would make it a lot easier on all of us.

(http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/335307.html)

corrupt3d
December-7th-2007, 03:07 AM
you mean porous?

Kenny Phillips is a great pick, but we got more pressing needs at DE

XSean21TaylorX
December-7th-2007, 03:15 AM
Id Like to Get Phillips Pick up a DE via Free Agency alot of guys are FA this off season

method man
December-7th-2007, 03:17 AM
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK ON A SAFETY???? Do you guys realize how ridiculous spending 3 1st round picks in hte past 5 years on safeties is?

No_Pressure
December-7th-2007, 03:31 AM
Looking at tonight our safeties aren't really out of position badly and Landry looks like he might be very good given some experience...looks like CB is a bigger concern than SS.

aussieskin
December-7th-2007, 03:45 AM
We have the best DC in the game, the safeties we have will do me fine, GW will get them ito shape then the fear will return for the recievers going deep, lets not get carried away trying to replace Sean 21, LL, I believe is the answer lets have faith in GW and LL

d0ublestr0ker0ll
December-7th-2007, 03:57 AM
I think if we are in the teens and somehow this kid is available, it's a steal. But if he's gone I say pick up a D lineman. O-linemen are the cream of the crop via free agency, and they are a flip of a coin in the draft.

z0eboy
December-7th-2007, 04:04 AM
phillips can play CB also

scruffylookin
December-7th-2007, 04:23 AM
Keep ignoring the defensive or offensive lines and we will continue to be an also ran like we've been for nearly two decades now.

blchizzleke
December-7th-2007, 04:35 AM
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK ON A SAFETY???? Do you guys realize how ridiculous spending 3 1st round picks in hte past 5 years on safeties is?


:cheers: thank you someone finally says it

DieselPwr44
December-7th-2007, 04:57 AM
Keep ignoring the defensive or offensive lines and we will continue to be an also ran like we've been for nearly two decades now.
Ding.

Blackest Eyes
December-7th-2007, 07:24 AM
While it looks like this guy could be a stud in the secondary, our D-Line is really lacking pressure without blitzing...Carter is doing alright but other than that, we don't have a lot. We need to get young offensive lineman and cornerback is looking like a need if Rogers injury really got the best of him and if Springs doesn't come back. It would be cool to have this guy though. We need a ball hawk. I am tired of our secondary never getting any interceptions.

laxpck
December-7th-2007, 07:28 AM
FIRST PICK = D LINE

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

If we need a safety get him through FA

Chris Worthy
December-7th-2007, 07:53 AM
The team needs so many spots they might lean towards BPA if they keep the 1st pick.
the rest will probaly be position of need.

SkinzFan007
December-7th-2007, 07:56 AM
Trenches

D-Line or O-line only in the first please!! We don't need to draft a FS in rd 1.

cphil006
December-7th-2007, 07:58 AM
Keep ignoring the defensive or offensive lines and we will continue to be an also ran like we've been for nearly two decades now.


It DEPENDS on who is available. Everyone said this before the last draft and I think the consensus is we made the right choice. The alternative Jamaal Anderson is not doing well and the DT we did not need with Griffin/Golston/Montgomery.

We clearly need a safety, but if the best safety is not as good as the best DL when we draft then we get the DL.

If the best S is better than the best DL, we get the Safety... :2cents:

pimpumd
December-7th-2007, 08:14 AM
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK ON A SAFETY???? Do you guys realize how ridiculous spending 3 1st round picks in hte past 5 years on safeties is?

Considering the fact that ST is no longer with us, picking a safety in the first round this year would be exactly like it was when we picked Landry. The team/coaches/player personel can't be held responsible for the fact that we lost our best player on defense. It's basically like we never picked a safety in 2004(?) since we no longer have him.

Now, I will say that I agree that we should probably focus on the offensive/defensive lines. However, if Philips represents the best value at the pick the Skins select next year, I wouldn't have a problem with taking Philips.

Griff
December-7th-2007, 08:25 AM
Next time we draft a saftey I want this kid, and i am sure he would love to follow his cousin's footsteps and wear the burgundy and gold... (He wears Sean's Miami #26

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/fsu/sports/m-footbl/auto_headshot/1289475.jpeg

At Florida State: Battling for playing time at the free safety position...a talented player who has a very bright career ahead of him as a Seminole...plays well at the safety position and hits like a linebacker...a solid tackler who hands out punishing hits from his safety position...is athletic enough to cover in man situations and tough enough not get caught in mismatches versus tight ends and backs.

2006: A redshirt season.

High School: Graduated from Gulliver Prep in 2006...a four-star player by Rivals.com and the 10th-ranked safety in the nation...rated as the No. 2 safety in the state of Florida by Rivals.com...a four-star player by Scout.com and the No. 11 safety in the country...earned all-state first team honors for Class 2A in 2005 as voted on by the Florida Sports Writers Association...voted the No. 1 recruit in the Miami-Dade area by the Miami Herald...joined Gulliver teammate and fellow Florida State player Evan Bellamy when he was named All-Dade County first team by the Miami Herald...named the No. 10 overall recruit in the state of Florida by the Miami Herald in their state Top 25...finished his senior season with 64 tackles and four interceptions on defense while scoring four touchdowns on offense from the wide receiver position ...chose Florida State over Miami, Florida, Minnesota and Georgia.

Personal: Born Oct. 22, 1987...is the cousin of former Miami Hurricane and current Washington Redskin Sean Taylor...enrolled in undergraduate studies.

http://seminoles.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/leon_anthony00.html

http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/28/285999.jpg

(He ever wore Sean's High School jersey #)

FS-Anthony Leon (Miami (Fla.) Gulliver Prep) Leon, the cousin of Washington Redskins’ Sean Taylor, runs and hits like his relative. The Scout.com No. 9 safety in the country is solid to Florida State and he won’t be taking anymore visits.

http://floridastate.scout.com/2/488527.html

Anthony Leon
S | 6'4" 215

Hometown: Miami, FL
School: Gulliver Prep School
Region: South

Evaluation: Leon is a special athlete who has a great frame and the skills to be a real force at the safety position. He is cousins with the Washington Redskins safety Sean Taylor, and you can see similarities between the two when watching Leon play. It is never easy to find defensive backs built like Leon who also can run well and hit. He has the frame to add good bulk and if he does could be even more dangerous. He plays like a linebacker who is twelve yards off the ball. He is quick to come up in run support, and at times is like a heat seeking missile. He reads the play and quickly gets down hill, he is not afraid to mix it up between the tackles. He can find and exploit seams to make plays in the backfield. He covers ground quickly and can make plays off tackle and on the perimeter. He is a solid tackler that can deliver punishing hits at times. He is a ball hawk in the secondary in passing situations. He can cover ground and breaks on the ball well and can cover sideline to sideline. He has good hands and can make a play when he gets an opportunity. He presents a presence for receivers going over the middle. He is athletic enough to cover in man situations and will not get caught in mismatches versus tight ends and backs. He has good speed, is a fluid runner, and shows a burst to the ball. Watching Leon you get the feeling this is a player who is just scratching the surface of his ability. He has a great upside and the tools to be as good and dangerous as his cousin.

Notes: cousin of former Miami Hurricane and current Redskins safety Sean Taylor

http://proxy.espn.go.com/ncf/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=33981


Go here and click on the HIGHLIGHT VIDEOS

http://iowapreps.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?sport=1&pr_key=44026

#98QBKiller
December-7th-2007, 09:10 AM
I was hoping he'd wait so we could go DL this draft and make a move for him next draft...oh well, Landry looks good at FS.

DCranon21
December-7th-2007, 09:34 AM
We can pick up another safety in FA. But the pressing need is on the O-Line and D-Line. I think we'll focus on that more.

PlayAction
December-7th-2007, 09:38 AM
It DEPENDS on who is available. Everyone said this before the last draft and I think the consensus is we made the right choice. The alternative Jamaal Anderson is not doing well and the DT we did not need with Griffin/Golston/Montgomery.

We clearly need a safety, but if the best safety is not as good as the best DL when we draft then we get the DL.

If the best S is better than the best DL, we get the Safety... :2cents:

I couldn't disagree with you more on using a first round pick for another safety. Having an excess of riches at safety didn't really help the Defense. Even with ST gone we still have devoted a high first round pick to safety. Considering the other needs it would be really foolish to try to recreate the Defense of this year. I don't believe that Griffin/Golston/Montgomery scare any team. Golston was a starter last year only because of injuries. He makes a nice backup. Montgomery has progressed nicely. But Griffin is very old for a DT. The Skins infrequently get any push up the middle. If they collapsed the pocket the DEs would get more sacks. I'm praying for a DT like Sapp to fall to the Skins.

The other major area of immediate concern is CB. The problem with Springs is his contract and his injury problem. Rogers might take a couple years to get back to form. What to do?

Offensive Line - we can argue about whether there is an immediate need for a new starter. But with the age and the injuries I think the Skins desperately need to invest a higher draft pick in new talent. Dockery was a third round pick. Skins could look for a Guard with sufficient talent that the line play wouldn't drop off so much if there were injuries. Then in one to two years we would be set with a new starter. If it was up to me the Skins would be using a pick in rounds 1-4 every year for the OL and DL. There will be a huge turnover in the lines over the next three years.

cphil006
December-7th-2007, 09:42 AM
Considering the fact that ST is no longer with us, picking a safety in the first round this year would be exactly like it was when we picked Landry. The team/coaches/player personel can't be held responsible for the fact that we lost our best player on defense. It's basically like we never picked a safety in 2004(?) since we no longer have him.

Now, I will say that I agree that we should probably focus on the offensive/defensive lines. However, if Philips represents the best value at the pick the Skins select next year, I wouldn't have a problem with taking Philips.

exactly, it depends on who is available. Who is the best player available between DL and DB... that is who we take...

cnhnyy
December-7th-2007, 09:49 AM
Another safety? Are we the lions of East? Unless there is a ST available, you simply do not draft a safety this high. It is like drafting OG in the top 5.

cphil006
December-7th-2007, 09:51 AM
I couldn't disagree with you more on using a first round pick for another safety. Having an excess of riches at safety didn't really help the Defense. Even with ST gone we still have devoted a high first round pick to safety. Considering the other needs it would be really foolish to try to recreate the Defense of this year. I don't believe that Griffin/Golston/Montgomery scare any team. Golston was a starter last year only because of injuries. He makes a nice backup. Montgomery has progressed nicely. But Griffin is very old for a DT. The Skins infrequently get any push up the middle. If they collapsed the pocket the DEs would get more sacks. I'm praying for a DT like Sapp to fall to the Skins.

The other major area of immediate concern is CB. The problem with Springs is his contract and his injury problem. Rogers might take a couple years to get back to form. What to do?

Offensive Line - we can argue about whether there is an immediate need for a new starter. But with the age and the injuries I think the Skins desperately need to invest a higher draft pick in new talent. Dockery was a third round pick. Skins could look for a Guard with sufficient talent that the line play wouldn't drop off so much if there were injuries. Then in one to two years we would be set with a new starter. If it was up to me the Skins would be using a pick in rounds 1-4 every year for the OL and DL. There will be a huge turnover in the lines over the next three years.

I don;t see how we can draft a DL if there aren't any good ones over a sure pick at Safety. I'm not saying that is the case, but if we had to pick between Jamaal Anderson and Laron Landry again, I'd go with Landry. The best player is who we get.

Excess of riches at safety? Reed Doughty and Laron Landry??? We lost 4 games in a row and would have won three of those if Sean Taylor had been playing, actually all 4 if he didn;t get hurt.

We have one decent safety right now and the rest are garbage.

If the best player we can get is a DL then I'm all for it, but drafting an average DL instead of an impact DB is a mistake. Rogers may never be the same, Smoot is not great, Springs is old and injured, and the rest are #5 corners. Landry has no one next to him.

We can get an OL in the second-fourth rounds. Maybe two of them. My point is it really depends on who is there for us.

cphil006
December-7th-2007, 09:54 AM
Another safety? Are we the lions of East? Unless there is a ST available, you simply do not draft a safety this high. It is like drafting OG in the top 5.

We won;t pick top 5... why is getting a safety a mistake. We have drafted two of them and both turned out GREAT...

Lions of the East? Our safeties are actually great. One passed, so we only have one...

It depends on who is available. If you had to choose between Jamaal Anderson, Okoye, and Landry again, who would you pick? Landry? me, too.

If it is between Reed Doughty and Julius Peppers, we take Peppers...
IT all depends on who is there. We can try to target a position, but it doesn't do any good when the guy is simply not good.

cphil006
December-7th-2007, 09:57 AM
We can pick up another safety in FA. But the pressing need is on the O-Line and D-Line. I think we'll focus on that more.

I think so, too, but we may address those in Free agency or may address the DB situation in free agency.

laurent
December-7th-2007, 09:59 AM
If Williams wants to continue playing his two deep coverage we definetely need to bring in another safety. Whether it's free agency or draft doesn't really matter, but Doughty, while solid, isn't going to be the answer.

Personally, I think we can get by without drafting defensive line one more year. We don't have an elite unit, but they been solid all year and defense hasn't really been the reason why we haven't been able to win games.

We need some youth along the offensive line bad. As far as I am concerned RT is our most pressing need. Jansen had already slowed down considerably and his recent injury isn't going to do much to curb his decline. Wade is clearly not the answer and while Heyer has been ok, I'd want a banger out there with enough athleticism to pull on run blocks.

Let's also not forget that the relationship between the FO and Springs isn't the best. I wouldn't be surprised to see him let go and if that happens CB becomes an instant priority. Rogers has a long way to recovery and Smoot has a tendency to get banged up so we need depth.

My first day picks would include RT, FS and CB in no particular order.

truckedbysellers
December-7th-2007, 09:59 AM
LINK
(http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/335307.html)
Kenny Phillips will forgo his senior season and turn pro. It's still very early and it has been established that there are many other pressing areas of need that we must address this offseason, but if this guy is there when we pick, it'd be hard to say no. 6'2" ball hawk with a meanstreak.

I did not enjoy watching the bears game tonight. I felt as though i was watching another team, not sure why this was but I have a feelling its ST. I think it will be a while before im able to enjoy the skins again, and adding a stud like phillips to our pourish secondary would make it a lot easier on all of us.

(http://www.miamiherald.com/854/story/335307.html)

This thought process has hurt the skins and will continue to hurt the skins. All of the good teams realize that the foundation of a team starts on the LOS. Our D-Line is soft against the run and we're still not getting consistent pressure on the QB. And don't try to use last nights game as an argument because the Bears suck.

cphil006
December-7th-2007, 10:00 AM
Considering the fact that ST is no longer with us, picking a safety in the first round this year would be exactly like it was when we picked Landry. The team/coaches/player personel can't be held responsible for the fact that we lost our best player on defense. It's basically like we never picked a safety in 2004(?) since we no longer have him.

Now, I will say that I agree that we should probably focus on the offensive/defensive lines. However, if Philips represents the best value at the pick the Skins select next year, I wouldn't have a problem with taking Philips.

I agree.

Just like last year, the arguement is between DL and safety. OL might actually be our most pressing need. Portis just got 30 yards or less two straight games...

We will address all of these OL, DL, DB needs this offseaon. Free agency first, then draft. It all depends on who we get FA and who is available when we pick as to whom we actually draft.

cphil006
December-7th-2007, 10:07 AM
This thought process has hurt the skins and will continue to hurt the skins. All of the good teams realize that the foundation of a team starts on the LOS. Our D-Line is soft against the run and we're still not getting consistent pressure on the QB. And don't try to use last nights game as an argument because the Bears suck.

I'm not sure how it has hurt us. Would you have given up Sean Taylor for any DL in the league. HECK NO! Who would you have taken instead of Landry? exactly.

We may address teh safety situation in FA. It all depends on what player is there. We can't just draft some decent college DL and think he'll be a good pro. It depends on the player... we can't commit one way or the other until we pick and see who is there after analyzing our evaluations of the draft class.

truckedbysellers
December-7th-2007, 10:07 AM
I agree.

Just like last year, the arguement is between DL and safety. OL might actually be our most pressing need. Portis just got 30 yards or less two straight games...

We will address all of these OL, DL, DB needs this offseaon. Free agency first, then draft. It all depends on who we get FA and who is available when we pick as to whom we actually draft.

Samuels, Kendall, Rabach, and Thomas are all over 30. Heyer is playing well but I'm not ready to put all my money on him by any means.

Correct me if I'm wrong but did I hear on the game last night that we have the smallest line in the nfl?

Anyone have any thoughts on Suggs? I think he's a FA this year.

fight4oldc
December-7th-2007, 10:12 AM
Don't like D and O line in the draft but not opposed to FA pick ups. There should be some good proven veteran talent. I like the Phillips pick up as GW's D is heavily dependant on LB's and Secondary.

TGI Jef
December-7th-2007, 10:15 AM
i think this is finally the year we do an andy reid-type draft. at least im hoping so.

lets get a big WR and 6 linemen. and not in that order.


tgijef

truckedbysellers
December-7th-2007, 10:21 AM
I'm not sure how it has hurt us. Would you have given up Sean Taylor for any DL in the league. HECK NO! Who would you have taken instead of Landry? exactly.

We may address teh safety situation in FA. It all depends on what player is there. We can't just draft some decent college DL and think he'll be a good pro. It depends on the player... we can't commit one way or the other until we pick and see who is there after analyzing our evaluations of the draft class.



I was thinking that our 5 (starz) 6 (palmer) 7 (Ecker) picks could have been more wisely spent on the O-Line or D-Line. I think it's possible to find LOS talent in the draft.

All of the FA safeties suck this year.

The Robert Griffin Experience
December-7th-2007, 10:28 AM
If there's an impact player at your pick, in the 1st round, you take him unless you have an impact player at that position, even if you have more "pressing needs".

Drafting for need in the 1st round gets you Mario Williams instead of Vince Young, Gaines Adams instead of Adrian Peterson, Robert Gallery instead of Sean Taylor and so forth. Picks 1-20 or so, you take the best player available and fill your holes in the later rounds. The early-mid first round should be the players you build around, not the players you patch holes with.

RDSKNfaithfull
December-7th-2007, 10:38 AM
Phillips is not worth a first round pick for us. He never even lived up to Merriweather. He is living off his size and being "the next Sean Taylor" He failed at that at the U and He was not a playmaker by anymeans. Laron will be fine at Free saftey we can get a tough vet to play strong.

The Full Monty
December-7th-2007, 10:41 AM
I think if we are in the teens and somehow this kid is available, it's a steal. But if he's gone I say pick up a D lineman. O-linemen are the cream of the crop via free agency, and they are a flip of a coin in the draft.
Not if you take them in the early rounds.

Samuels and Jansen. Dockery was a solid starter from the 3rd round. Thomas as a 2nd rounder for the Jets.

We need to invest heavily in the draft for o-line and d-line.

TLusby
December-7th-2007, 10:49 AM
We need the following positions:

1.) A big-time WR.
2.) A solid DE to replace Daniels
3.) A physical SS (let LL continue playing FS)
3.) Solid depth on OL

The first two I would address through FA. WR's and DE's are huge bust potentials. I would look for a solid SS available in FA or the draft. I would use our 1st rounder on the BPA. I would address the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th rounds on OL.

kuraitengai
December-7th-2007, 10:50 AM
It DEPENDS on who is available. Everyone said this before the last draft and I think the consensus is we made the right choice. The alternative Jamaal Anderson is not doing well and the DT we did not need with Griffin/Golston/Montgomery.

We clearly need a safety, but if the best safety is not as good as the best DL when we draft then we get the DL.

If the best S is better than the best DL, we get the Safety... :2cents:
hope the front office uses that mentality. seems like they did last year with drafting LL over d-line.

deejaydana
December-7th-2007, 10:57 AM
We don't need a safety more than we need to address much more glaring needs. D line and O line and youth and height at WR.

#98QBKiller
December-7th-2007, 11:02 AM
DE and OL are our biggest needs, but Kenny Phillips is an outstanding FS

DieselPwr44
December-7th-2007, 11:09 AM
hope the front office uses that mentality. seems like they did last year with drafting LL over d-line.
The Redskins have not drafted a DT or DE on day one of the draft in 11 years.

Why doesn't the organization just come out and say " Our scouting department sucks and we lack the patience needed to develop Dlineman."??

Gaines Adams is starting to come on in Tampa. Okoye has played well in Houston. Both will be even better next season.

This Dline has stunk at getting pressure for a decade now, yet there are some on the board that want to keep throwing picks in the secondary.

Their solution?? GW will call up a blitz, that's how we'll get pressure. How many times,against good teams, did GW's blitz actually get there??

I remember GW talking about coming up with Buddy Ryan. Buddy told him " You worry about coverage too much. Go get the QB."

He should heed his mentors advice. Griiff's getting up there in age. Daniels was playing when Annie Oakley rode horseback.

To say that we can go one more year without investing some day one picks in the Dline and Oline is beyond absurd.

elkabong82
December-7th-2007, 11:18 AM
DE and O-line depth. We have young guys at WR and CB who should be given more chances before we use picks or FA to address those areas.

dizzinator53
December-7th-2007, 11:28 AM
I don't think Kenny Phillips is going to be that great in the NFL.

[S.S.F. | Nero]
December-7th-2007, 11:47 AM
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK ON A SAFETY???? Do you guys realize how ridiculous spending 3 1st round picks in hte past 5 years on safeties is?

In what has become a passing oriented league with rules set up to put DB's at an automatic disadvantage, it's not so crazy to consider picking top tier players for your secondary. It's actually kinda smart.

Do I say pick a safety with our number 1 again? No.

Would I be mad if we did? No.

[S.S.F. | Nero]
December-7th-2007, 11:48 AM
I don't think Kenny Phillips is going to be that great in the NFL.

Deep man, deep.

s0crates
December-7th-2007, 11:55 AM
I've been saying this for years, but now it is obvious: We need to draft an offensive lineman.

SkinsFanAnt
December-7th-2007, 11:57 AM
Best player available regardless of position (except SS and MAYBE QB)...'nough said.

rlt2622
December-7th-2007, 12:52 PM
plz god can we draft someone for our Oline

rlt2622
December-7th-2007, 01:00 PM
I've been saying this for years, but now it is obvious: We need to draft an offensive lineman.

i see there is someone that is knows what we need, i thought i was the only one.

z0eboy
December-7th-2007, 01:48 PM
if phillips is the best player available he can play both FS and CB we should pick him 1st round, if better value is there at OL we might take a look but we can get value on offensive line in later rounds :2cents: i would perfer if we pick up Phillips draft the best OL in the 2nd and pick up 2 more in later rounds maybe even trade up to get better value in early rounds

Dick Edds
December-7th-2007, 01:55 PM
Looking at tonight our safeties aren't really out of position badly and Landry looks like he might be very good given some experience...looks like CB is a bigger concern than SS.
:applause:

yeah I think we need to get some CB help (Rogers injury will take a good 2 years to fully recover from), and most importantly build depth on both lines.

As much as ST's loss will hurt us, I must say I think Landry played well last night. he has too much athletic ability to be constantly playing the run as the SS.

Landry can be a ball hawk ... he just needs to catch the ball next time. Once he gets more disciplined he will be a pro-bowler. Ha has great athletic ability.

I'm not suggesting anyone can replace ST, but with him gone we can't keep spending 1st round picks on a FS ... unless he is the best pick available at the time.

D-Line and O-Line in the first 2 rounds!

kevinklein
December-7th-2007, 02:48 PM
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK ON A SAFETY???? Do you guys realize how ridiculous spending 3 1st round picks in hte past 5 years on safeties is?

Do you realize how unpredictable and unmanagable our situation is?

Skinsfor4
December-7th-2007, 02:56 PM
Big old corn fed Offensive Lineman to be around here a long time.

SkinsMaster88
December-7th-2007, 03:10 PM
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK ON A SAFETY???? Do you guys realize how ridiculous spending 3 1st round picks in hte past 5 years on safeties is?

Thank you. We're not the Lions. Use the draft to get young talent, not all at the same position.

skinstzar
December-7th-2007, 03:34 PM
It's not like we only have 1 pick. We actually have many. We can take the best player available at an area of need and Safety is absolutely a position of need. It may turn out to be SS that needs to be filled however. As for the argument about taking 3 safeties with first round picks being a bad thing, that argument is antiquated and narrow sighted. The lions spent 4 number one picks on recievers in recent years. The last of course being Calvin Johnson. Should they not have taken Johnson just because they took other recievers? Of course not because that is stupid logic. Due to tragic events we are left with memories of Sean Taylor instead of aspirations. Going forward from a football standpoint it is as if he never played here. We must address the personel we have.

Taking a O lineman probably wouldn't be wise with the first pick. Jake Long (The only projected immediate impact player won't be there when we pick. So we could get equal or close value at OL in the second round.

Defensive Linemen like Chris Long don't come along very often but he aint gonna be there either. So we could address that in the third round. Good players come out of the third round. Take a look at Chris Canty. Very solid, came in the third round.

We don't need to take a corner because corners are becoming a bit overrated. With the rules setup these days corners can't win and they are minimized in value. Ask yourself what corners taken in the top 15 picks in the last 5 years have really turned out to make a huge impact?

There are several positions on the football field where the talent pool around the league is forever shallow. One of which is safety. The other may be playmaking reciever. Both of these areas are ones of desperate need for the Redskins. If Mario Manningham is there I say take him. If not and someone like Phillips is. I wouldn't hesitate to take him.

Reaganaut
December-7th-2007, 03:37 PM
Calais Campbell from Miami is the better prospect. He is a six foot eight pass rushing defensive end. Think Too Tall Jones.

phatboy41
December-7th-2007, 03:40 PM
I honestly don't think anyone has really kept an eye on Reed Doughty but I think he has been stepping up really well. He looks pretty natural playing in the box in an SS type roll. Sean Taylor is a rare talent that will be missed always, and probably could've assumed the position of one of the best pro safeties in the NFL. At this moment our safeties have been playing very strong even with such a horrible blow emotionally, losing such a great guy on and off the field. But, we have much more pressing needs at the moment than a safety. Our CB's are even a more pressing need than S spot. Shawn Springs played amazing but he still is getting older and gets hurt very often, and though Smoot seems to be getting better every game, he too is injury prone.

phatboy41
December-7th-2007, 03:41 PM
plz god can we draft someone for our Oline

I am with you 100% ... D-line and O-line are HUGE needs!

Timmy Smith
December-7th-2007, 04:20 PM
You can never have too many quality offensive linemen. Especially since they're often interchange-able, and at least one OL gets injured each year.

JRAB
December-7th-2007, 04:21 PM
WHY THE HELL DO WE NEED TO SPEND ANOTHER FIRST ROUND PICK ON A SAFETY???? Do you guys realize how ridiculous spending 3 1st round picks in hte past 5 years on safeties is?


3 on safeties and 4 overall on DB's. That's just too much.

We need DL in a bad way. Until we get some dominant DL, we're not going to be a dominant defense. It's that simple.

The Full Monty
December-7th-2007, 04:27 PM
To say that we can go one more year without investing some day one picks in the Dline and Oline is beyond absurd.
But wait! The draft is a crapshoot! OMG.

Just kidding. You speak the truth, sir.

#98QBKiller
December-7th-2007, 04:29 PM
I don't think Kenny Phillips is going to be that great in the NFL.



And why is that?