Now we like Collins over JC?? Damn the fans in this town flip fast.

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

So last year Portis gets injured and everyone says trade him. This year Campbell goes out for less then a half and we are already saying Collins is better? Cmon guys, all of you that are saying that are ridiculous.



First off Collins has been playing alot longer then JC and has that vet knowledge especially with Saunders system. -That doesnt necessarily make him a better qb.



Second off do you think teams studied collins an the way he plays before this game? Do you think any one studied his tendencies like what side he likes to throw to etc. etc? -No they didnt.



Third off it seemed to me that the offense simplified after Collins came in. They kept throwing which was key, but they got rid of some of the stupid confusing plays they use with campbell and simplified it a little bit for collins. Could this be the answer to our offense qb aside? Stop trying such complicated plays all the time and just simplify things?



JC went out with some decent completions and was looking alright. To say we wouldnt have won if he was in is just stupid. You have no idea if we would have or not, and 3 or 4 games where a very young qb choked a little bit at the end is not enough to write the guy off like some of you have. Not to mention the fact that though he did choke at the end of some of those games, if the damn coaches had called the game half right we wouldnt be so dependent on a young qb at the end of the game, at the end of every game.



JC has an arm that Collins will never ever have. Collins has knowledge that JC will surely have.



Cmon guys be a little more faithful in your players. If I played for this team and had fans that wanted to turn against me after one injury or one half of a game, I am not sure Id want to play here.


JC>Collins

[Tom10Y]

Who said we liked Collins over JC?

But we would want JC to have the same ability and comfort in reads as TC did. We all know it would take time though.

[RAAZ227]

I can't agree with that. I am just happy that he came in and won the game for us. It was a solid performance.

[Bat~man]

Who cares, with the way this team has been the last 10 years, I just like to win doesn't matter who plays where and long as it equals wins, JC is our QB but he is out for the season ( more than likely) which finishes off that 1st roundof auburn picks that year ( Rogers, C.Williams, R.Brown, J.Campbell) but JC will be back next year and Collins is 35 years old, there is no argument here

[ColdnGrey]

No smart fan is taking TC over JC.

[redman]

Don't confuse the donkeys on this board with the thoroughbreds.

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

Who said we liked Collins over JC?

But we would want JC to have the same ability and comfort in reads as TC did. We all know it would take time though.

There are several topics asking the question, is collins better? or would we have won with JC? etc etc.

If everyone knows it would take time then thers no need to say things like "maybe now we can make the playoffs" because JC is out.

I dont know about you but JC used to seem pretty damn comfortable in the pocket. Add a couple game ending picks and a o line who cant protect him and he starts to get uncomfortable. Tell me do you know for sure that if Collins threw a couple picks and was getting sacked like JC was in the last 2 games that he would be as comfortable?

All I am saying is the guy played one half of football. Its sad to see so many topics suggesting that he is better then JC or that he can lead us to the playoffs where JC couldnt. Let the man atleast play a couple more games before you praise him so much and want to say he looks so much more comfortable and smarter then JC. I have seen JC have some pretty nice halfs where he looked amazing.

[sellyoursol]

I would love a combination of JC's arm and TC's accuracy. Then we'd have something.

I hope JC watches the tape of the last 3 quarters and works on his accuracy in the offseason.

[Mickalino]

Don't confuse the donkeys on this board with the thoroughbreds.

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

I would love a combination of JC's arm and TC's accuracy. Then we'd have something.

I hope JC watches the tape of the last 3 quarters and works on his accuracy in the offseason.

last 3 quarters? I thought he went out in the 3rd?

Again, this was one half of football. I have seen JC have the same kind of accuracy and reads within one half. Atleast give Collins a couple more games before you start saying how much more accurate he is.

[voicekiller]

Too many politicians in town i guess...because some of these "fans" flip flop faster than a fish out of water

[Skinsfan1311]

When you're losing, the backup QB is the most popular man in town....

[eljeasel]

Don't confuse the donkeys on this board with the thoroughbreds.

i was about to give up on the forums until i see posts like this that remind me that some of us redskin fans can think and reason

[sellyoursol]

last 3 quarters? I thought he went out in the 3rd?

Again, this was one half of football. I have seen JC have the same kind of accuracy and reads within one half. Atleast give Collins a couple more games before you start saying how much more accurate he is.

oops...my bad. I had my numbers mixed up.

[CallMeGreen]

I don't think the offense was simplified for TC at all. If anything, it's likely all training wheels got removed. And while I agree Chicago didn't likely do much preparing for our backup, some of the offensive changes also probably came due to the inability to rush the ball.

Do I think TC is a better QB than JC right now? Not really. Although because of his experience and familiarity with the system, I believe TC is the better-prepared QB at the moment.

One parting thought. Three times I can recall JC going down this year with a knee problem. Against Miami and Buffalo he shook it off and stayed in the game. Last night, obviously he did not. What would our season look like right now if TC had come in during either of those first two injuries, had JC not returned. If it had happened the first game, I'm not sure the season's record would be that much different. As ineffective in the 2nd half of the Buffalo game JC was, I was hoping JG was thinking about pulling him, though I knew it would never happen. But as surely as I sit here, had TC finished the game against Buffalo we'd be talking about our 7-6 record right now. No doubt in my mind.

This could turn out to be a short-term blessing. JC was showing jitters and had many moments of indecisiveness lately. He's just not to the level yet to lead a team into the playoffs. This is where TC may finally start paying some immediate dividends. Then again, it could be business as usual in 10 days.

[Live4Skins]

To answer the TS comments-I agree with your statement on not judging JC but as you and I know this town is all about winning. No Matter what the stakes are.


I agree once other teams game plan on TCs weaknesses there will be different opinions on his skills.

Don't get me wrong though I for one enjoyed TCs ability to come in on such short notice, not really warm up and play lights out. Did anyone else notice that the offensive line gave him more protection? Was it because TC's has a quicker release or was it because the line knew their ass's were in question?

I sincerely hope JC recovers from this injury quickly! I love the guy and what he stands for but if TCs can come in and win games why not enjoy it? Take it for what it is, TC is our backup and he did what he gets paid to do..back up!

HTTR!!!

[Skinsfor4]

I'm glad we have a back-up QB that can play when we need him!I felt good for the guy after what was said about him before and during pre-season.

[BMahoney]

I don't think anyone is flip-flopping, people know that JC is obviously the future of the franchise not Collins who is in his 30's I believe. However after seeing Collins accuracy and quick reads yesterday it gave all of us a bit of relief, we saw that our offense is better than it has been playing and that some fault does belong on Campbell. This is not to say I don't like Campbell but he is still a work in progress, Collins looked as if he knew what he was doing out there, much better pocket poise. I end this with saying we will win out with Collins and make a solid run in the playoffs... mark my words with this D and a qb that won't throw 4th qtr picks we will continue to win.

[Soup]

Imagine Collins smarts and JC's arm in one player. I hope Jason can learn more this off season.

[SnyderMustGo]

I don't like Collins over JC. I don't like Collins as our starting QB.

The only thing that last night showed me was that all of my fears about JC are confirmed: all of the problems with our offense were directly tied to JC. We are better off with a backup QB running our offense than JC. That is what I learned. That JC's faults have been seriously negatively effecting the team such that once someone enters the games who strengths are the same as JC's weakness, the offense looks powerful.

I don't think TC is a starting QB. I don't think he is the answer. But right now, JC isn't really either.

[meast4eva]

I don't know who actually like Todd more than Jason. Todd came in and did a great job last night but there's 2 reasons for that. 1. The Bears gameplanned for Jason. 2. I think with Todd being a more mature QB, he has a much better grasp of the playbook which allowed the coaches to run some plays they might otherwise shy away from.

I think it's great having a player like Todd on the team to backup JC and I'm confident that Todd will do a great job the rest of the year for us. But Jason is the starting QB for the Washington Redskins and will resume that role next year when he comes back regardless of what Todd does from here on out.

meast4eva

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

I don't think anyone is flip-flopping, people know that JC is obviously the future of the franchise not Collins who is in his 30's I believe. However after seeing Collins accuracy and quick reads yesterday it gave all of us a bit of relief, we saw that our offense is better than it has been playing and that some fault does belong on Campbell. This is not to say I don't like Campbell but he is still a work in progress, Collins looked as if he knew what he was doing out there, much better pocket poise. I end this with saying we will win out with Collins and make a solid run in the playoffs... mark my words with this D and a qb that won't throw 4th qtr picks we will continue to win.

well, dont forget about the coaching staff they have to make good decisions for us to get there...

[Walking Deadman]

Todd proved that he really knows the system and is a great BACKUP QB.

But that's what he is, there are reasons why he hadn't thrown a actual non-preseason game game pass since 2004.

Jason is the future of this franchise (since his 2007 season is probably over).
He has the arm, mobility and poise to get there. Saunders system is not easy to master-- Todd Collins has only been in Al's system since 1998 (not long huh?).

Not taking anything away from Todd b/c that was an amazing performance, but there isn't a QB controversy.

Jason isn't there yet, but if anybody's been watching; he seems to be getting better each week (especially when the coaches let him open up the playbook) and he will get there.

[Heavens Safety 21]

I couldnt agree more with your post. I hate when fans jump on and off the band wagon. Just stick by your players and team. Those type of fans obviously don't know that much about football and should just keep their mouth shut.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Uh, Campbell can't play the next several games.

There's no 'choice' here. What you see are fans who can see the obvious. There are a couple of possibilities but one thing we definitely saw was the offense looked more efficient and the ball got out of the passer's hand more decisively.

The possibilities are:

-Collins IS a better QB right now than Campbell for THIS team in THIS system at THIS point in time.

-Collins, after teams get a chance to gameplan for him, will show why he is a career backup. BUT the glimpse of the TRUE Saunders offense (passing-wise at least) that we saw tells us that Campbell still has some growing up to do.

I don't see what is controversial or disloyal about any of that. I've been on this board for some time and I honestly don't know if I've seen such a huge contingent of people so totally misinterpret or misrepresent another faction of posters so greatly.

[One Shot]

The fans are just desperate at this point.

[Gigantor]

How long should we wait for Campbell to be "ready"?

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

Uh, Campbell can't play the next several games.

There's no 'choice' here. What you see are fans who can see the obvious. There are a couple of possibilities but one thing we definitely saw was the offense looked more efficient and the ball got out of the passer's hand more decisively.

The possibilities are:

-Collins IS a better QB right now than Campbell for THIS team in THIS system at THIS point in time.

-Collins, after teams get a chance to gameplan for him, will show why he is a career backup. BUT the glimpse of the TRUE Saunders offense (passing-wise at least) that we saw tells us that Campbell still has some growing up to do.

I don't see what is controversial or disloyal about any of that. I've been on this board for some time and I honestly don't know if I've seen such a huge contingent of people so totally misinterpret or misrepresent another faction of posters so greatly.

whoa calm down buddy. Your opinions are your own. I dont really agree that Collins is the better QB for this team. My point is that some fans like yourself are saying Collins is much better then Campbell after 1 HALF of a football game.

[SnyderMustGo]

How long should we wait for Campbell to be "ready"?

November 12, 2013, following a late game INT that permitted the opposing team to get into FG range for a win that eliminates the Redskins from the playoffs in week 11.

AT Extremeskins:

"Guys, give Campbell a break. He hasn't started 8 full seasons yet. After all, it took Peyton 9 seasons to win a Super Bowl, so JC could still do that next year. He's still basically a rookie because it takes at least 10 seasons to fully grasp Saunders' offense. He gets better every game. He's our future."

[JCSMCPCCrskins]

How long should we wait for Campbell to be "ready"?

Campbell was looking alright. Honestly if the damn coaching staff didnt make all the mistakes they made this season the team would be looking at at least 8 or 9 wins. There wouldnt be as many JC skeptics, and JC wouldnt be forced into tough high pressure situations that are hard for young qbs game after game.

[BuryYourDuke]

Things went down exactly the way they were supposed to. You pay a veteran back up QB to come in, know the system inside and out, and manage the game. Collins doesn't have the physical abilities Campbell does, but he could certainly learn a lot from TC's intellectual abilities. No one that has half a brain wants TC to be the starter, but it is comforting to know we have such a good backup. Let's hope he can keep up the good work.

[Veretax]

Tod Collins has an edge because he knows the play book. This offseason get thoe WRs to stay in Washington and work on timing so that Campbell's running the offense the same way and pow. you got it covered.

[Rskins06]

Campbell was looking alright. Honestly if the damn coaching staff didnt make all the mistakes they made this season the team would be looking at at least 8 or 9 wins. There wouldnt be as many JC skeptics, and JC wouldnt be forced into tough high pressure situations that are hard for young qbs game after game.

Coaches? TB game, not 1 but 2 4th quarter int's, 1 fumble. Dallas game another int at the end of the game, oh, and another fumble, Buffalo game, another fumble, another int. All of which cost us games!!!!! There have been more mistakes. If you take out those mistakes, we have 9 games won now and have lost only 4 (some mistakes by JC cost us those games as well).

Not for a minute do I think TC is a better QB than JC, but, JC is a young qb and is going to make mistakes AND he will learn from them.
Everyone wants to blame the coaches for EVERYTHING but no one wants to look at the players lack of execution. The coaches do share some of the blame, but come on, the coaches aren't on the field while the players are making the mistakes.