Redskins Debate Series: All time TOUGHEST Redskin

[OxonHillSkinsFan89]

Through the years we've seen many redskins players come and go so in today's Redskins Debate Series I wanted to know who in your mind is/was the Toughest Redskin. It can be one or a number of Redskins who've displayed toughness. Fought through injuries etc. etc. For me the list goes like this.

1. Riggo
2. Gary Clark
3. Sonny Jurgensen
4. Sam Huff

and this may surprise you (or it may not) but....

5. Patrick Ramsey

Ok folks it time to weigh in.

[Patrick86L]

Clinton Portis

mostly for his pass blocks

[LilSkinnette]

Through the years we've seen many redskins players come and go so in today's Redskins Debate Series I wanted to know who in your mind is/was the Toughest Redskin. It can be one or a number of Redskins who've displayed toughness. Fought through injuries etc. etc. For me the list goes like this.

1. Riggo
2. Gary Clark
3. Sonny Jurgensen
4. Sam Huff

and this may surprise you (or it may not) but....

5. Patrick Ramsey

Ok folks it time to weigh in.

Kinda surprised your list didn't include #21ST# Even though he was with us for a short time -- I really think he more than showed his toughness.

[RFKFedEx]

Monte Coleman never complained about his salary, he just played for 16 seasons.

Long Live #51

[HOF44]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.

[RedskinsNation]

Monte Coleman never complained about his salary, he just played for 16 seasons.

Long Live #51

Most underrated player in Redskins History in my book.

Coleman was tough....Wilbur Marshall was tough (although he only played a few years here)...the guy was a machine.

[No_Pressure]

Hmm... well Chris Hanburger only missed 2 games through 12 seasons as our middle linebacker...9 straight years without missing a game. He must have been pretty tough to do it, but I couldn't tell you. He retired 10 years before I was born.

[pez]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.

Have to agree... he was a beast for his size...

[Popeman38]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.QFT! I never saw him play, but I have watched footage of his style. For a small, slow guy, he placed EVERYTHING he had on the line every play. Him on defense and Gary Clark on offense should be the way everyone plays. If we could get all 53 men to lay it on the line like that every play, we would be something special.:2cents:

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Dana Stubblefield.

[OxonHillSkinsFan89]

Dana Stubblefield.

Maybe at the Buffet line lol.

[MartinC]

In the time I have been watching (since '81) I would have to say John Riggins or Russ Grimm on offense and Alvin Walton or Wilbur Marshall on D.

[worstSeat]

Who was the punter right before Frost that got his nose shoved into his skull on a loose ball drill during a game? Now that fellow, and I'm embarrassed I've forgotten, was pretty danged tough. Looked like a pig walking off of the field, the nose was so bad.

[jimster]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.

I gotta agre with this - he and Chris Hanburger were both undersized physical players that weren't afraid of throwing themselves around and almost never missed time.

[jimster]

Who was the punter right before Frost that got his nose shoved into his skull on a loose ball drill during a game? Now that fellow, and I'm embarrassed I've forgotten, was pretty danged tough. Looked like a pig walking off of the field, the nose was so bad.


Brian Barker

[MintHillSkinsFan]

How about Kenny Houston? Rich Milot and Neil Olkewieckz(sp?) too. Those guys were rocks at LB in the 80s. And don't forget Dave Butz and that gashed up helmet of his.

On offense, Doc Walker, Don Warren, and pretty much all the Hogs.


My others have already been mentioned. Hanburger, Walton, Coleman, Riggo.

[Mr. S]

Coleman or Fischer. I guess some of the other guys mentioned above would work as well.

[skins0128]

Mr. "No Such Thing as a Fair Catch". Mike Nelms.

[rdsknbill]

Not one Joe Jacoby vote??????????? Shame on all of you.

Butz is definitely there as well

[Grimm]

Pat Fischer gets my vote, after watching him battle with Harold Carmichael on old NFL films footage I don't think anyone was or will be tougher.

[Ball Coach]

Joe Theisman - what other QB would be tough enough to use the single bar facemask?

[hillbillydeluxe44]

Kurt Gouveia was a monster

[unclejack8]

The toughest Redskin of all time was Larry Brown. He made plays without a helmet and he wouldn't lay on the field! He would crawl off of the field first.

[afparent]

Alvin Walton could lay the lumber

[RF4L]

Dave Butz. Ever see his helmet?

[Wyndorf25]

Monte Coleman never complained about his salary, he just played for 16 seasons.

Long Live #51

Haha! I knew you would chime in on #51! Good call.

[Popeman38]

Kurt Gouveia was a monsterYes he was, which is why I had a Trotter authentic redone with his name! But you would be surprised how many people ask me at games, "Who the hell is Gouveia?".:doh:

[BawlCoach]

Even though it was said before, Dave Butz #65... Wasn't there a receive that played a game with a stress fracture.. Monk maybe?

[REEGSKINS]

sean taylor

[S.T.21 will eat you alive]

Rock Cartwright.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Not too many people will agree but Coles was tough as nails when playing for the skins. I have seen Art Monk catch a ball and turn around and truck a DB. But Coles went across the middle like no other he would get crushed by The Roy Williams Brian Dawkins and Micheal Lewis' of the league and hold onto the ball and pop up and strut 5 yards. He also played with a lot of heart. Can't forget when he saved the touchdown on a fumble when he chased the guy down 50 yards and made the tackle and forced another fumble.

[MLSKINS]

Since I was: born Darrell Green

All-Time: Sammy Baugh or SJ9

[bowhunter]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.

He gets my vote as well. Tough as nails. I've met him a few times and each time I think that he's too small to be "the" Pat Fischer. A gentleman off the field and a wrecking ball on it.

[Whiskey17]

Hard to narrow it down to one:

1) Billy Kilmer- One bar face mask, would get clubbed in the nose, shove some gauze in it and trot right on back out.

2) Ken Houston- Tough as nails and a vicous hitter.

3) Larry Brown- I have never seen a running back take as many hard shots.

4) Pat Fischer- Undersized and as tough as leather.

5) Kurt Gouviea- Dude was wide open.

6) Darrell Green- Anyone who can last at corner as long as he did? Enough said.

7) Clinton Portis- Blocking and tackling after turnovers. No regard for his body.

HTTR :logo:

[Skins n' Bones]

I agree with many that have been mentioned already, but also, how about Darrell Green? 20 years, played through injuries, and that vision of him holding his chest on the kick return is classic.

Of current Skins, Smoot also played with a sternum injury, plays "bigger" than he is with little regard for his own body, and the story of how he "snuck" back into the game this week after throwing up blood is pretty tough.
And you can't talk about this subject without mentioning Big Mike Sellers.

[DGreenistheBest]

Currently playing: Sellers/Portis/Fletcher

This year: Taylor

My lifetime: Riggins

All-time: Baugh for the simple fact he was on the field making plays on all sides of the ball. He retired with most of the passing records and still holds records in punting and interceptions.

[Grimm]

Didn't Joe Salave'a do some kind of self-surgery on his foot to play at the end of 2005, thats pretty damn tough.

[Long n Left]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.

Without question! Most of you younguns' have no idea about this guy, but at 5'7" and about 165 lbs. this guy was just ferocious out there. He backed down from no one. Rarely, if ever, missed a tackle, and owned much bigger receivers.

Harold Carmichael at 6'9" 225 was petrified of Fischer, as were many other WRs, RBs, and QBs in the league.

Go find some 60's and early 70's footage, number 37 will be all over it!

[sydshobob]

Hmm... well Chris Hanburger only missed 2 games through 12 seasons as our middle linebacker...9 straight years without missing a game. He must have been pretty tough to do it, but I couldn't tell you. He retired 10 years before I was born.

FWIW he was an outside linebacker.

[PorkSkins]

A few more of my fav's for consideration:

Tank McLinton
Neal Olkewicz
Dave Butz
Charlie Taylor
Rusty Tillman

[sydshobob]

Well, none other than Howard Cosell once said this Redskin "takes more punishment than anyone in the NFL" or something along those lines. He was referring to Benny Malone. He must have been taking some punishment since he only averaged 2.7 yards per carry.

Seriously though, I'd have to go with Kilmer. He'd get beat to a pulp and keep going.

[ST is my boy]

Im just gonna put in my 2 cents from my generation I guess....and say Jon Jansen?? I know hes been hurt....but hes been a solid skin for years and I beleive the longest standing redskin....ill take him.

[Forehead]

He was before my time, but I've heard of the legend of Chris Hanburger, something about him clothslining people that came across the middle. I guess it was legal back then. Anyway, I figure if stories are still being told decades later, he must have been a tough S.O.B.


Speaking of Gouveia, I think his kid is going to Va. Tech next year for football. Might be worth keeping an eye on, another Skins legacy to keep alive.

[Rooblakas]

Monte Coleman, Gary Clark, & John Riggins from my time during the 80s.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

Just food for thought here, but I'm noticing an overwhelming trend........If you tallied the total amount of African American players vs. Caucasian players who have played for the Redskins over the years, the percentage would be overwhelming. HOWEVER, as I go through this thread, 2/3's of the votes are for Caucasian guys. Not attempting to start a racial war here, but merely throwing that out there as food for thought.

To me, its of the same ilk as the "smart, heady, white basketball player".....and "the tough white guy football player."

I personally disagree with this line of thinking that occurs so naturally to others.

That said, Mark Mosely was clearly the toughest Redskin of all-time (just kidding).

[No_Pressure]

FWIW he was an outside linebacker.

My mistake, like I said...he retired 10 years before I was born :laugh:

Either way he's even getting overlooked in this thread. He had an amazing consecutive game streak at a position and in a decade where people didn't stay injury free for long. He also made something like 9 pro bowls- the most in Redskins history.

Seems tough to me.

[drums and skins]

I'm not a Redskins history buff...I pretty much can only remember back to our last superbowl and know a bit of the glory years.

That in mind, the first time I read this thread I immediately thought of Darrell green returning the ball, hurdling, and re-injuring his ribs but still continuing on the play. That is tough.

[EnFoRcEr_uPu]

Clinton Portis

mostly for his pass blocks

Ditto. I understand older players were "tougher" at times...but this guy is a small RB. The hits he puts on blitzers, the bone jarring hits after an INT...

[JaimeDeCurry]

Portis or Theismann.

Portis for his overall style and his pass pro, Theismann because he played a game with his freaking two front teeth knocked out!

[SkinsFanMania]

Sammy Baugh, hands down. He played QB and defense, now that is as tough as nails.

[motorhead]

Not one Joe Jacoby vote??????????? Shame on all of you.

Butz is definitely there as well

I'll give ya one bro.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc284/athensgrunt/joejacoby2.jpg

[airborneskins]

Fischer....

[4everaSkin]

Desmond Howard

[RFKFedEx]

Who was the punter that got his nose shoved into his skull Looked like a pig walking off of the field, the nose was so bad.

That was horrible.

After Theismann, that's the second grossest Redskins injury I ever witnessed.

[fan4life28]

here's one that no one has mentioned

Fred Smoot

Last game, he tricked the trainers to go get something for him just so he could come out and play again after puking his guts out.

Also, before he went to minnesota, i remember him having a shoulder injury that was apparantly pretty painful, but he still tackled WR/RB's in the flat like a pro. You could tell each takle hurt him.


Also, Darrel green was pretty tough. See punt return vs Chicago.

[Ball Coach]

here's one that no one has mentioned

Fred Smoot

Last game, he tricked the trainers to go get something for him just so he could come out and play again after puking his guts out.


I'm not sure if a tummy ache is the best indicator of toughness. :laugh:

[DGreenistheBest]

I'll give ya one bro.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc284/athensgrunt/joejacoby2.jpg

Dude's got a gizzard.


I'm not sure if a tummy ache is the best indicator of toughness.

He WAS vomitting blood though.

[cahones01]

Waaaaay too many to list. Jacoby, Fischer, Riggins, Coleman, Walton, Butz, Hanburger,Portis, Taylor....this could be a very long list.

[JaimeDeCurry]

I'm not sure if a tummy ache is the best indicator of toughness.

I don't think 'tummy ache' and throwing up blood and bile on the sidelines are one in the same. Smoot is one tough mother, that's for sure. Remember him playing with a broken sternum or something like that?

[72SKINS]

Monte Coleman.. nothing else needs to be said !!

[China]

Here, I'll throw one out there: special teams wedgebuster Reggie Branch.

[HOF44]

Bubba Tyer thinks the toughest he's seen is Fischer.


Legendary Redskins athletic trainer Bubba Tyer characterized #37 as the toughest player he’d ever encountered. When Darrell Green, an NFL great in his own right, one day reportedly described himself as a more "physical" player than Fischer, Tyer claimed all he could think was, "yeah, right."

Compliments of Tarhog and TK (http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?&threadid=98336)

[Ball Coach]

I don't think 'tummy ache' and throwing up blood and bile on the sidelines are one in the same. Smoot is one tough mother, that's for sure. Remember him playing with a broken sternum or something like that?

I meant it in jest, I edited my response to make that clear.

[RFKFedEx]

Does anybody remember that pic of Jacoby's hand in SI when they did that long cover feature on NFL injuries of retirees?

Jake's fingers are gnarled like tree roots.

This was back in 2001, but I can't imagine they look any better today.

Much of the damage probably came in the 1986 (Jan. '87) playoffs when he had his hand completely wrapped into a ball of tape for the NFCC game @the Meadowlands. Looked like a mummy's head on the end of his arm.

That was pretty tough not to sit it out when he only had one pincher.

[bikie]

ken houston... his career was unbelievable and he could lay the wood in the backfield... oh, and you have to mention theisman, any QB that returns punts with a single bar face-mask is gonna make my list...

honorable mention for mike "mr. never fair catch" nelms...

[SkinzFoLife]

DAve Butz and Neil Olkewicz

[RedskinsChief]

1. Darrell Green
2. Art Monk
3. Dave Butz
4. Joe Jacoby
5. Clint Didier

[RFKFedEx]

How about an all time "super smartest" thread?

[alleycat]

Just food for thought here, but I'm noticing an overwhelming trend........If you tallied the total amount of African American players vs. Caucasian players who have played for the Redskins over the years, the percentage would be overwhelming. HOWEVER, as I go through this thread, 2/3's of the votes are for Caucasian guys. Not attempting to start a racial war here, but merely throwing that out there as food for thought.

To me, its of the same ilk as the "smart, heady, white basketball player".....and "the tough white guy football player."

I personally disagree with this line of thinking that occurs so naturally to others.

That said, Mark Mosely was clearly the toughest Redskin of all-time (just kidding).

I can't believe some of ya'll just let this lay !!?? I am continually amazed at BOTH white and Black folk who cannot just LET IT GO !!! That being said...

It is obvious that most of you have a prejudice againt Samoans and Inuits !!

Mark Schlereth
Joe Salavea

are the toughest !!

[asnpcwiz]

Dexter Manley isn't on the list? I mean...the guys last name is "Manley"...come on now!!!

[estrella117]

I say Darrell Green. 20yrs at db is tough. Or Monte Coleman this guy I don't think ever missed a game and he was a hell of a linebacker. One of my favorite redskin all-time!

[alleycat]

There seem to be 2 schools of thought here...

Ignoring pain
Vs.
Inflicting Pain

The first one...All O-linemen

The second...Fischer/Taylor

[zoony]

Dave Butz or Brian Mitchell.


I remember Matt Millen calling a Redskins game (when he was in the booth) and a fight erupted between Mitchell and another player. Millen stated that Brian Mitchell was the toughest guy that he had ever played football with, no question.... and that you'd have to be crazy to pick a fight with him. He said nobody on the team every wanted any part of Mitchell, including the linemen :laugh:

[dfbovey]

Dave Butz....

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

I can't believe some of ya'll just let this lay !!?? I am continually amazed at BOTH white and Black folk who cannot just LET IT GO !!! That being said...

It is obvious that most of you have a prejudice againt Samoans and Inuits !!

Mark Schlereth
Joe Salavea

are the toughest !!


Well sometimes things need to be said. Otherwise, actions fall into the category of acceptable b/c noone has said anything about it. Seriously, go through this thread, as I have done, and I will submit that it now appears to be 50/50 in terms of votes.................yet the all-time roster percentage is probably something much more like 75/25 (A.A./C.A.)

Its clear based on the votes of this thread that our fans tilt toward the caucasion players more often than the african american players when considering toughness. I posted my comments with the sole purpose of causing some to stop and think about why that is.

[MWCREDSKINS]

It's a toss up between Gary Clark and Joe Theismann.

[HOF44]

Well sometimes things need to be said.

This isn't the place for it. The tailgate will more than welcome a topic on this subject. But it should stay out of the stadium. :2cents:

[Buck812]

Hard to narrow it down to one:

1) Billy Kilmer- One bar face mask, would get clubbed in the nose, shove some gauze in it and trot right on back out.

2) Ken Houston- Tough as nails and a vicous hitter.

3) Larry Brown- I have never seen a running back take as many hard shots.

4) Pat Fischer- Undersized and as tough as leather.

5) Kurt Gouviea- Dude was wide open.

6) Darrell Green- Anyone who can last at corner as long as he did? Enough said.

7) Clinton Portis- Blocking and tackling after turnovers. No regard for his body.

HTTR :logo:


I was wondering how far into this thread I would get before I saw Billy Kilmer's name. Gezz... He wasnt called beat face Kilmer for nothing! I would see him stagger off the field wondering how he wasnt being carried off then out he would come again. Blood all of over his face and all. He was one tough SOB!

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

This isn't the place for it. The tailgate will more than welcome a topic on this subject. But it should stay out of the stadium. :2cents:


You forgot to add "In my opinion."

The thread was started in the stadium, and my thoughts had to do with the results of the thread. Sorry.

[Major Harris]

Dave Butz. Ever see his helmet?
can't believe it took 25 posts.

[ClintonINFORSIX26]

Coooooooooooooooooooooley....the man is just a beast.

He blocks, he makes tough catches, hes never injured, i have NEVER seen one man take him down.

Daniel Manning tried to lay the lumber on him twice last game and both times cooleys body didnt even flinch.:2cents:

[mcarey032]

How about Ken Houston? What about Pat Fischer? Those guys were around before I played, but I heard how tough they were. Dave Butz. That guy was always stuffing the run. Look at his helmet! John Riggins! Definitely tough. What about Sean Taylor? The guy was the hardest hitter I have ever seen, and I would say that he was harder hitting than Ronnie Lott. Chris Hanburger, guy was tough as they come if you ask me. Wilbur Marshall? He was tough as they come too. Russ Grimm, Joe Jacoby, Mark May, Raliegh Mackenzie. Real tough. I am not trying to discount any of the quarterbacks because we have had a few of them. I guess I wouldn't put a QB ahead of a defensive player or someone who was in the trenches.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

Folks keep referring to Dave Butz's helmet as proof that he was tough. Certainly, he WAS tough, as I watched him for years................but in an effort to clear up any mystery behind the helmet; Butz was once interviewed about that and simply said that he never got it re-painted, and that most guys had theirs re-painted after every game.

[zallera]

Joe Jacoby. I remember him playing for a while one season (at left tackle nonetheless) with both of his hands broken. Dude was a beast. For all the talk Russ Grimm gets, which is due, I believe that Jacoby started in all three Super Bowls. Grimm didn't start in '91.

[ZEPHEAD]

Larry Brown. End of thread

[Park City Skins]

Larry Brown, John Riggins, Pat Fischer, Gary Clark, Dave Butz, Ernest Byner, Monte Coleman, Terry Allen, Chris Cooley, Sean Taylor, to name a few. Have to try an narrow that one down, but those were some tough guys right there.

[C.Taylor]

Joe Theisman - what other QB would be tough enough to use the single bar facemask?

Billy Kilmer, among many others.

[McD5]

Mike Nelms.

It didn't matter if he caught the kickoff nine yards deep in the end zone.

He was bringing it out.

[redskinsbandnerd]

Pat Fisher
Riggo
Sean Taylor
Sam Huff
Sammy Baugh

[SuperDaveVA1975]

Alvin Walton

[truckedbysellers]

Don Warren was a pretty tough dude.

[KAOSkins]

Another vote for Butz. I can't believe more people don't remember the beast he was.

[2Cooley]

Pat Fischer had a disc removed from his back and came back as tough as ever. On top of that ,twice a year he went up against 6'8" Harold Carmichael and gave him fits!! He was a man!!

[redskins0756]

Stephen Davis

Nobody could take him down.

Honorary pick would be my man Jeff George (kidding!)

[cphil006]

Sean Taylor

played through a seperated shoulder most of the season last year. Spit up blood and kept playing (watch the video)

No one. No one was tougher than Sean Taylor.

[BleedBNG]

Russ Grimm... by far.

[skinfan31]

Monte Coleman never complained about his salary, he just played for 16 seasons.

Long Live #51

you beat me to it. He was the first in my mind when I read the thread title. Monte was the man!:cheers:

[ncsuapex]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.


First name that popped into my head when I saw this thread.

[chrisc0015]

Russ Grimm.

[skinsince72]

1)Riggo

2)Grimm
3)Ramsey (he took a beatin like no other)

[redskinsbandnerd]

Seriously...Slingin' Sammy, anyone?

[HEavyJumbo85]

Gary Clark and Pat Fischer are up at the top for me with an honorable mention going to D Green mainly for his performance in the 87 playoffs.

[LoyalSkinsFan]

Two guys popped into my head immediately:

1) Pat Fischer
2) Larry Brown

There are others who deserve mention (Billy Kilmer, Deacon Jones, Art Monk, Sammy Baugh and more) but those two just jumped out at me.

HTTR

[#98QBKiller]

Kinda surprised your list didn't include #21ST# Even though he was with us for a short time -- I really think he more than showed his toughness.



I agree with this, in his short time here ST made a huge mark and proved to be one of the toughest players since I don't know who

[RFKFedEx]

Alvin Walton

Anybody who wanted an inexpensive jersey this year could have bought an authentic Archuletta on clearance at TJ Max for $10, only to tape over the nameplate and write in Walton.

It would have been an original use of an otherwise worthless #40 Skins jersey.

[cocojoey]

Monte Coleman never complained about his salary, he just played for 16 seasons.

Long Live #51
what about Alvin walton?

[SKINS FAN #56]

Portis has really been banged up with us, and for him to be still putting up decent numbers shows a lot about his character :applause:

[ncsuapex]

Anybody who wanted an inexpensive jersey this year could have bought an authentic Archuletta on clearance at TJ Max for $10, only to tape over the nameplate and write in Walton.

It would have been an original use of an otherwise worthless #40 Skins jersey.



Ive been looking for a while for a cheap 40 jersey to do just that to. Except I have a better plan than tape to convert it.


Hard to get old Skins jerseys in NC. Ive checked ebay but they still want 30-40 for an Arch jersey.

[HEavyJumbo85]

I think we should add a poll

[Bigmuss1]

Pat Fischer gets my vote

[Hangman55]

Chris Hanburger-hence my hangman55
deacon jones-only one year though
jumpy geathers-the forklift....baby

[MikeBass]

Moses Denson.. A hard-nosed FB in a hard-nosed era

[Enzo]

Pat Fischer - todays big mouth receivers like T.O who be scare to death if they had to go up against a DB like him playing with the old bump & run rules (The way football is meant to be play)

Gary Clark - nobody was or will ever be as tough going over the middle (should be in the HOF along with Art Monk)

Sammy Baugh - One of the all time great QBs & DBs, plus he could punt when needed. Lets not forget that he played with a leather helmet without a facemask

Chris Hanburger - An undersized player that play much bigger than his size (Also should be in the HOF)

Dave Butz - Nobody clogged up the middle better, plus just look at his Helmet did he play a game or go to war (Another Redskin that should be in the HOF)

Darrell Green - 20 yrs of excellent football, that is enough proof right there. Also if he would have been the regular punt returner he would have every record in the book. (Should be going into the HOF very soon)


:cheers:

[BigRedskinDaddy]

what about Alvin walton?

Brother, I'm with you there. That sob straight brought the lumber on ANY wideout foolish enough to cross the deep middle. Pure hitter.

HTTR

[HighwayPatrolLT]

Chris Hanburger never made a tackle below the jawline, he was a monster with a vice grip, and used to throw running backs, and quarterbacks around like rag dolls....
he was amazing for his size

[mcarey032]

Dave Butz. That guy was awesome. He loved to stuff the run. Any of the Hogs. Of course the Diesel #44. Cooley, that guy is tough, he never goes down and always gives second effort which I love. Sean Taylor and Portis, they are just hard hitting players who never seem to quit.

[ibdiesel44]

Pound for Pound Gary Clark Hands Down.....

[Suicide Mission 30]

Dave Butz is the first that comes to mind

[Suicide Mission 30]

Ive been looking for a while for a cheap 40 jersey to do just that to. Except I have a better plan than tape to convert it.


Hard to get old Skins jerseys in NC. Ive checked ebay but they still want 30-40 for an Arch jersey.

I still have my old school Reggie Brooks #40 jersey. Bought it around the time that I started drinking the big 4-0 in high school.

[mdskins75]

Hmm... well Chris Hanburger only missed 2 games through 12 seasons as our middle linebacker...9 straight years without missing a game. He must have been pretty tough to do it, but I couldn't tell you. He retired 10 years before I was born.

I grew up in the same neighborhood as his son. The hardest hit i ever experienced playing football was from his son. I can only imagine how hard Chris Hanburger hit.

[redskin faithful]

Riggo
Slingin Sammy
CP
ST
Darrell Green
Our my top 5, in no particular order.

[sens11]

There's a reason why he had the nickname...THE DIESEL...


Riggo gets my vote!

[msskinfan]

Fisher and Talbert.....AND Mike Curtis, I think he played a few years for us. Man those guys LIVED to play football!!

[bulldog]

Ken Houston. He was the best defender on Allen's teams in Washington, is in the Hall of Fame and made what Roy Williams does in tackling look like a handshake :)

[msskinfan]

ooooo:dallasuck s***! I forgot about Houston!!!! Wow could he hit!!

[vacanechaser]

How about Kenny Houston? Rich Milot and Neil Olkewieckz(sp?) too. Those guys were rocks at LB in the 80s. And don't forget Dave Butz and that gashed up helmet of his.

On offense, Doc Walker, Don Warren, and pretty much all the Hogs.


My others have already been mentioned. Hanburger, Walton, Coleman, Riggo.

i will have to agree with all of the above.. lol.. you named just about everyone on my list

[Monk in the Hall!]

The toughest Redskin of all time was Larry Brown. He made plays without a helmet and he wouldn't lay on the field! He would crawl off of the field first.

I am surprised it took so long for his name to come up. LB has my vote.

[HapHaszard]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.
I second that, a little short guy used to tap dance on receivers knees. No receiver wanted to go against Pat.

[MEANDWARF]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.




Bravo. He gets my vote. 5'9 and still throws guys around. His battles with Harold Carmichael(6'8) were legendary.
:applause: :applause: :applause:

[cakmoney61]

The great Larry Brown!

[HailGreen28]

Dave Butz. Aside from his position and play, His helmet always seemed to look like a junked car AFTER it'd been run through a compactor after the game.

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.
I agree with this one.

[dposton]

I was split between Larry Brown and Pat Fisher. l'll give it to Larry Brown. He played the last year of his career on one leg.

Pat Fisher was tough, too. Ask Calvin Hill who met him coming around the LT and was met there and layed out. No other than Mister Pat Fisher. Ask Roy Green, Ask Harold Carmichael. He was tough. You had to watch him for a while to appreciate him because at first you would label him as the weak point in the defense until you noticed that players and coaches avoided calling plays to that side of the field on critical downs.

[jonjeff]

#40, Alvin Walton. One of the biggest hitters to wear a Redskin uniform.

[Corcaigh]

Gus F - the only redskin prepared to take on the stadium wall with his head.

[Zuperskinz]

I agree with Riggins & Ramsey all the way.
Add
Darrel Green ( remember the playoff game w/Bears & broken ribs)
Art Monk- my all time favorite Skin, class all the way!
Jacoby
Moseley
Charlie Taylor

[JWB]

It only goes to show that everyone has a different opinion on toughness. Pat Fisher, Larry Brown, Neil Olkewitz. The one who I have always thought was the toughest is Brian Mitchell. Like him or not (I do not) He was one bad SOB!

[DCMONEY]

Hell there are so many from the 80's early 90's era.

Gary Clark--Bad hamstrings but always suited up
Monte Coleman-- Same Thing
Dave Butz-- His helmet said it all. Just couldn't move him
Actually too many to name from back in the day.

Can't leave out cats like SONNY jURGENSON, Lary Brown, Bobby Mitchell and Charley Taylor and Pat Fischer


In the more recent Skins I'd say

Champ Bailey never missed a game as a Skins despite being hurt
Fred Smoot-- Nuff Said Smoots like a Timex watch
James Thrash
Portis
Sean Taylor--if he came out of a game, then he must've been truly hurt

[Smoot Point Really]

You seen the interview with Russ Grimm where his nose is busted up and bleeding? He gets my vote for "all-time"... I'm going with Fred Smoot for current Redskins...

[Bang]

Joe Jacoby

~Bang

[jayneal7]

Thats an easy one. There is only 1, Pat Fischer.


Agree 100%!! :cheers:

[DOOG]

Dave Butz with a close second of Fischer.:logo:

[dutch44]

D Grant, D Manly, C Mann

[cuchip703]

Gotta vote for Hanburger or Butz...

[NorthEast Skin]

Larry Brown...it isn't close.

[OxonHillSkinsFan89]

After seeing Earthquake Sellers get up from that hit (when he fell it reminded me of Kevin Everett) and not only walk off the field when the cart came but JOGGED off. He got my vote right then and there.