I don't care how well Jason Campbell feels, I want Todd Collins

[NFLAnalyzer]

I really hope Gibbs doesn't make the biggest mistake of his coaching career and put in Jason Campbell when Todd Collins has been on a roll and more importantly not TURNING THE BALL OVER. So i don't think we should see JC the rest of this season and I really hope and pray that Gibbs wouldn't be foolish enough to sit TC at this point of the season because JC is feeling better. Anyone agree?

[root4skins]

Gibbs won't bench Todd Collins in favor of Campbell in this postseason. Next time we see JC on the field will be in the start of the 2008 season.

[stevenaa]

And this couldn't have gone in one of the myriad of other TC love fest threads?

[krsone]

Todd collins virtually restored what little bit of credibility Gibbs had left.

i recall last yr reading something about how saunders thought campbell didnt understand the system and it is taking longer. i said to myself " what a load of crap. I mean campbell isnt a retard. how could anybody not get the system down." Now looking back at it, it really does seem like campbell didnt know it. but more importantly, campbell doesnt seem to see the field well. his awareness isnt sharp and while all QB's fumble and throw INTs, campbell does it in crucial times, late in games especially when we have chances to win.

is collins a better athlete? of course not. is Collins a better QB? from what i've seen, easily yes.

[Dingani]

I heard an ESPN reported say today that if Campbell gets healthy by next week Gibbs will have a tough decision to make.

I agree. He will have a tough decision trying to explain to Jason Campbells fans why he is not going to let Jason into the game. Thats the only tough decision Joe Gibbs has...because Campbell will not be on the field before camp.

[vainglory]

ESPN has not had any idea about whats going on with the redskins throughout the year and all the sudden they see a controversy and you believe them.....dont be rediculous, TC will be the QB for the rest of the year......close this thread

[Morneblade]

I think Collins has earned his right to start the rest of the season, however far it may go. I think it's good for Campbell too, he gets to see when the ball should be thrown in this offence.

[Oldfan]

Sticking with Todd this season until the wheels come off is a no-brainer now.

The joke is that some people think that Jason's confidence will take a big hit if he isn't started as soon as he's cleared to play; but, imagine how hard a hit it would be if they put him in and he screws it up and ends the run.

[kubstix]

I would really hate to see what Saunders would say if JC is named the starter.

[Califan007]

And this couldn't have gone in one of the myriad of other TC love fest threads?
Well, we were all wondering what NFLAnalyzer's thoughts were on this subject, so it's a good thing he started his own thread instead of joining everyone else on the conversation in one of the 2 million existing threads. :applause:

[GOSKN5]

I think JC will understand that he hasnt practiced in 4 weeks... and is just barely getting back on the field now...

its not a knock on him.... he might be healthy but he hasnt played a game in 4 weeks and then to throw him back on the field in the playoffs.... gimme a break.. I think JC is smarter than that.. he knows this is his team next year....

hopefully he takes notes and grows from this whole thing... the injury really could be a small blessing in disguise for JC and the skins future....

[ross3909]

TC the rest of this season, open competition next year. No way Gibbs is going to put Jason in cold coming off an injury in the playoffs. But this fan base has to stop bashing JC and support him in his rehab. He has alot of talent and with the proper coaching he could be something this team hasn't seen in a long time...a franchise QB.

[Fan035]

Joe Gibbs has no decision to make. TC stays and rides this wave as far as it takes him.....and the team.

[Johnny White Guy]

I dont think you have a thing to worry about, Campbell is out for the rest of the season

[TMK9973]

It won't come up. It's a crazy thing... I'm not even a Doctor yet I can tell you. the injury JC suffered will not make him 100% until the day after our season ends....

[skinsandgibbsfan]

How can you bench a player who hasn't made one mistake the past 4 weeks? Gibbs will stick with TC in the playoffs, no question about it. JC will have his chance again next season. Hopefully this will give him more motivation to go out during the offseason and improve his game.

[pjfootballer]

Todd will be the QB for the rest of the way. JC will be back for Training Camp. Nothing to see here. Move along.

[JosephGibbs]

Sticking with Todd this season until the wheels come off is a no-brainer now.

The joke is that some people think that Jason's confidence will take a big hit if he isn't started as soon as he's cleared to play; but, imagine how hard a hit it would be if they put him in and he screws it up and ends the run.

fair point

[SkipJackSkin]

I am loving TC right now.

He has been very solid and make smart decisions.

No-brainer to stick with him through the playoffs.

[UVASKINSFAN]

Very simple...

If Campbell were to start in thes playoffs at any point just because hes healthy and we sit Collins and we lose because of it Gibbs would be fired. Bank it.

[terpskins10]

Campbell hasn't even started running yet from what I've heard. I highly doubt he plays again this year.

[NFLAnalyzer]

Todd collins virtually restored what little bit of credibility Gibbs had left.

i recall last yr reading something about how saunders thought campbell didnt understand the system and it is taking longer. i said to myself " what a load of crap. I mean campbell isnt a retard. how could anybody not get the system down." Now looking back at it, it really does seem like campbell didnt know it. but more importantly, campbell doesnt seem to see the field well. his awareness isnt sharp and while all QB's fumble and throw INTs, campbell does it in crucial times, late in games especially when we have chances to win.

is collins a better athlete? of course not. is Collins a better QB? from what i've seen, easily yes.


Jason Campbell is clumsy and inaccurate and those are the two worst qualities you can have as a NFL QB

[Clinton Portis # 26]

I think Sean Salisbury said it best...."You're not in the feel good business, your in the business to win."

[michael_33]

I believe it's important to keep Campbell's mind in this playoff run with the team!

It's not impossible for us to need Campbell if the situation presented itself...

The further we go through the playoffs,the more likely Campbell comes in if by some chance Collins got hurt...instead of that "other guy"...

It would be beyond ridiculously stupidly retarded to start anyone else besides Todd Collins!!!FACT!

It's like this team has a new identity!

[HrPuffNstuFF]

pffft to the lot of you. I am going to make sure all these threads get brought back up. You all are attributing something to Todd that is not really his doing. Did you actually see some of those passes yesterday (granted the long one to Moss was nice)? BTW he turned it over on a fumble. I thought he does not do that? Yes of course he does when the line get pourous, any qb does. That is his 3rd in 4 games and he lost a couple more snaps. We just got them all back except the one yesterday.

The point being is the TEAM is playing out of its head, TC is doing a great backup job. However, I think everyone here is delusional if they do not think JC would have done just as good yesterday. Again, no knock on TC, he has been incredible as a BACKUP. It helps when receivers hang onto balls, the o-line opens up gaping holes for running game, and generally gives him a ton of time to throw. Plus Springs, and other leaders on Defense have stepped it the heck up.

I do not attribute the last 4 games to Collins. He was a backup who did not screw up. Thank you for doing your job.

[S.TaylorMade]

i hate people who bring up the race issue... it has nothing to do with race... it's ALMOST 2008 and MOST people in America are well bred and are equal in intelligence... of course, you always have mark brunell ;)

[Bacon]

Gibbs won't bench Todd Collins in favor of Campbell in this postseason. Next time we see JC on the field will be in the start of the 2008 season.

Exactly. And that's the way it should be.

[ColdnGrey]

Very simple...

If Campbell were to start in thes playoffs at any point just because hes healthy and we sit Collins and we lose because of it Gibbs would be fired. Bank it.


The hits just keep getting stupider and stupider.

Nobody is firing Gibbs. That has a 0% chance of happening.

[redskins59]

Very simple...

If Campbell were to start in thes playoffs at any point just because hes healthy and we sit Collins and we lose because of it Gibbs would be fired. Bank it.

:laugh: Gibbs fired? Dan Snyder will never, ever fire Gibbs even if he goes 0 and 16.

[Sarge]

I think we're safe here.

Now, if JAson was a vet with a few years under his belt, Gibbs might think differently.

But not now

[ZoEd]

Todd collins virtually restored what little bit of credibility Gibbs had left.

i recall last yr reading something about how saunders thought campbell didnt understand the system and it is taking longer. i said to myself " what a load of crap. I mean campbell isnt a retard. how could anybody not get the system down." Now looking back at it, it really does seem like campbell didnt know it. but more importantly, campbell doesnt seem to see the field well. his awareness isnt sharp and while all QB's fumble and throw INTs, campbell does it in crucial times, late in games especially when we have chances to win.

is collins a better athlete? of course not. is Collins a better QB? from what i've seen, easily yes.

I don't think it's a comprehension problem like you're thinking. I think he comprehends the scheme but it's hard for him to comprehend the concept of throwing to a spot on the field even whent he WR isn't there. TC is doing that and doing it extremely well. What got JC in the NFL was his strong arm, he's made a living off of it and that's all he knows. If you notice on the short screen passes/intermediate throws we have a lot of drops because JC has no touch at all. He's got one speed and one speed only, fast/hard. It'll take the WR's time to get used to catching those type of passes, not to mention the added difficulty of catching those types of balls in bad weather.

Saunders' offense is built around throwing to spots and JC hasn't fully developed that ability yet. I'm sure he will, IMO once he gets that down coupled with his strong arm he's going to be deadly.

That being said TC is the man for the job right now. He's trusting his WR's to be where they're supposed to be and he's putting the ball there allowing them to make a play on it. He's always looking for Moss and he should be. He throws to an area of the field where Moss and only moss can get to it. If he gets there its a catch if he doesn't no one else can get to it either. JC is our future and will be just fine, he just needs to learn trust his WR's to be where they need to be and put the ball there and quit relying on his arm strength to be the cure all. :2cents:

[mike42]

Tod Collins led us to this 4 game winning streak and into the playoffs. I think it's fair to have him finish it off in the post season.

[BMahoney]

Does anyone know what Collins and Campbell's third down completion percentage are on the season? I think this stat would open some eyes as to why we do so much better with Collins in our offense

[Taylor4Life]

I'm kind of undecided on this issue. Memories of the 2005 Pittsburgh Steelers getting to the SB as the #6 seed have me believing that this team could make it all the way.

On the one hand, it would be great for JC to get some playoff experience, being that he is the QB of the future. On the other hand, with the NFC being as bad as it is, we definitely have a shot at taking this one to the house with the status quo.

I'll just support whatever decision JG makes.

[tonyriggins]

i hate people who bring up the race issue... it has nothing to do with race... it's ALMOST 2008 and MOST people in America are well bred and are equal in intelligence... of course, you always have mark brunell ;)

You are the 1st person on this board I have heard bring up the race issue? I think people shouldn't bring it up :)

[krsone]

pffft to the lot of you. I am going to make sure all these threads get brought back up. You all are attributing something to Todd that is not really his doing.

pfffft. HA HA
anyway, you really dont know football and your post indicates that especially when it is omething that is right there in front of your face.


Did you actually see some of those passes yesterday (granted the long one to Moss was nice)?

what was wrong with them? i mean, not every single one were perfectly thrown but he threw lot of them where only our receivers could get them and they did. lets not even factor in the wet condition.


BTW he turned it over on a fumble.

like ive said in my previous post, All Qbs fumble and throw INts. but it is how a QB comes back and performs after their mistakes. One, todd isnt make alot and two, he performs well even after turnovers.


I thought he does not do that?

you mean to tell me that good qbs like brady and manning fumbles football and Todd dont? hell man, we got a beast of a QB




Yes of course he does when the line get pourous, any qb does.

you are a genius.


That is his 3rd in 4 games and he lost a couple more snaps. We just got them all back except the one yesterday.


u see the trend here? you seem to be caught up on todd's fumble and totally ignore everything else that makes him a better qb than JC. i mean easily better.


The point being is the TEAM is playing out of its head, TC is doing a great backup job.


nah really? i thought it was todd collins throwing, receving, kicking field goals....etc. team is playing well on offense, notice i said offense, because we all know, on offense, it all starts with the QB. ball is snapped to the QB from the center and he starts it all of. if that QB knows what he is doing, the entire offense not only looks better but will play better and this is what is going on with the redskin's offense right now. it isnt rocket science. not hard to comprehend.


However, I think everyone here is delusional if they do not think JC would have done just as good yesterday.

not delusional but being realistic. actually you are delusional because we've already seen waht campbell could and have done already this yr with the same group of offense that collins is working with.



Again, no knock on TC, he has been incredible as a BACKUP.


incredible? yes. you yourself should do some reality check. when was the last time you actually described cambpell as "incredible?" that right there should answer your question about who is better. should knock you out from your delusion.


It helps when receivers hang onto balls,

sure it helps when receivers hang on to the balls. but it also helps when a QB can see the field and find open receivers. it also helps when a QB has a qick release , can side step and step in. oh and more importantly, it actually helps when you understand the system.


the o-line opens up gaping holes for running game, and generally gives him a ton of time to throw.

listen carefully. our runnning game wasnt all that when campbell was in there because he really wasnt a threat. now that you have a QB that executes, and finds open reciever, it enables us to open up the running game because the opponents have to respect our passing game. hence our running game looks better and our O line looks better. you gotta keep in mind that these are the same o line campbell played with. there is no change. only think that changed was the QB. this is another reason why how big of a difference Qbs make.



Plus Springs, and other leaders on Defense have stepped it the heck up.


springs is doing well but again, you have to understand that we have had great defense all yr around. so that doesnt say much. listen, its simple math.
our defense have been playing great al lyr long. it's jsut that our offense was pathetic that we kept getting into close games and losing close games. once collins stepped in, our defense was still good but he made the offense better , hence we are winning convincingly. we arent getting in to those close games. we actually win games by kneeling instead of having to punt it and relying on our defense to win it for us because our o is incapable of winning it for us. our Defense is getting more rest and arent on the field majority of the time because our O is better now. we dont go 3 and out alot anymore. we convert more 3rd downs.


I do not attribute the last 4 games to Collins. He was a backup who did not screw up. Thank you for doing your job.


HA HA, this dude really is delusional. you would think this guy is blind from this last quote.

[SASKINTOTHEEND]

I really hope Gibbs doesn't make the biggest mistake of his coaching career and put in Jason Campbell when Todd Collins has been on a roll and more importantly not TURNING THE BALL OVER. So i don't think we should see JC the rest of this season and I really hope and pray that Gibbs wouldn't be foolish enough to sit TC at this point of the season because JC is feeling better. Anyone agree?

I totally agree. You have to go with who got you there and TC has the hot hand. Please Coach, keep Todd in for the rest of this ride, however long it is.:thumbsup: :2cents:

[SASKINTOTHEEND]

i hate people who bring up the race issue... it has nothing to do with race... it's ALMOST 2008 and MOST people in America are well bred and are equal in intelligence... of course, you always have mark brunell ;)

I was trying to find the post that brings up the race issue.

[prophet]

There is no way you change qbs now. TC has played the best QB'ing this team has witnessed in atleast 10 years.

But I do know without a doubt that "if" we lose in the playoffs numbnuts will say it is because we didn't play JC.

:2cents:

[PierceType]

Wait,

You take out the hottest QB in football that just got you to the playoffs and replace him with the just-injured QB that lost 4 games in a row for you?

Um, no.

Just thank God we have a QB as good as JC to come in if TC gets hurt.

[ashsra]

I don't know why we all keep arguing over this crap since it's not our decision anyway. If Joe Jackson Gibbs sees fit to start Campbell, then I fully support it. I have a feeling they will just keep Jason inactive, saying he's taking it slow getting back from injury, rather than embarrass him publicly by naming him the backup to Collins. I really wish we'd stop all this Collins vs. Campbell BS, we don't even know if Collins will be back 2008, so all this arguing over who should start next year is pointless.

[SKINS FAN #56]

It's pretty obvious now that TC will start for the rest of the season, I didn't think anyone would have to ask.

TC for the rest of the season, JC in the beginning of 2008.

[SearchHorizon]

The joke is that some people think that Jason's confidence will take a big hit if he isn't started as soon as he's cleared to play; but, imagine how hard a hit it would be if they put him in and he screws it up and ends the run.
Not to mention the fact it will start hundreds of "Trade JC," "Bench JC," threads in ES ...

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

If Gibbs has a second of consideration for starting Campbell in the playoffs, he should be tied to a chair in his office until after the Super Bowl.

[heatman28]

I really hope Gibbs doesn't make the biggest mistake of his coaching career and put in Jason Campbell when Todd Collins has been on a roll and more importantly not TURNING THE BALL OVER. So i don't think we should see JC the rest of this season and I really hope and pray that Gibbs wouldn't be foolish enough to sit TC at this point of the season because JC is feeling better. Anyone agree?

He's turned it over 3 times in the same fashion that Campbell did moron! :wtf:

[NFLAnalyzer]

He's turned it over 3 times in the same fashion that Campbell did moron! :wtf::helmet:

Jason Campbell=Aaron Brooks

[PigSkinThin]

Collins should start next year as well.

[isle-hawg]

i hate people who bring up the race issue... it has nothing to do with race... it's ALMOST 2008 and MOST people in America are well bred and are equal in intelligence... of course, you always have mark brunell ;)

Who's brining up race besides you?


How can you bench a player who hasn't made one mistake the past 4 weeks? Gibbs will stick with TC in the playoffs, no question about it. JC will have his chance again next season. Hopefully this will give him more motivation to go out during the offseason and improve his game.

TC is doing great, but has made 3 fumbles, two of which resulted in turnovers, not saying he should be benched just pointing out JC is not the only one who has fumbled the ball.

For the record this postseason belongs to TC, if JC gets himself well again he can back up TC.

[ashsra]

:helmet:

Jason Campbell=Aaron Brooks

No way dude, Brooks was a complete head case, not to mention his teammates and coaches ended up hating him. Brooks = Jeff George, not JC

[ashsra]

Collins should start next year as well.

Once again, the guy may not even be here next year. I hope he is, but to expect a 37 year old to hold up for an entire 16 game season is risking a lot (see Brunell). The older QBs inevitably hit a wall, but they can get you good stretches to get you on a run. Does anyone remember in 2005 that Brunell was completely incapable of throwing the ball down the field after the Dallas game? If Dallas turns those TC fumbles into touchdowns and win the game, you all would be ready to run him out of town. Favre is the exception to the rule, but please don't start comparing Collins to Favre. I love the way TC is playing and hope he takes us to the Super Bowl, but don't give up on the kid and compare him to a guy whose been in this offense for 7 YEARS.

[ZoEd]

Once again, the guy may not even be here next year. I hope he is, but to expect a 37 year old to hold up for an entire 16 game season is risking a lot (see Brunell). The older QBs inevitably hit a wall, but they can get you good stretches to get you on a run. Does anyone remember in 2005 that Brunell was completely incapable of throwing the ball down the field after the Dallas game? If Dallas turns those TC fumbles into touchdowns and win the game, you all would be ready to run him out of town. Favre is the exception to the rule, but please don't start comparing Collins to Favre. I love the way TC is playing and hope he takes us to the Super Bowl, but don't give up on the kid and compare him to a guy whose been in this offense for 7 YEARS.

I can agree with you a little but it's not like TC has had 12 yrs of starting while getting hit week in and week out. He's been warming the bench so his body should be in pretty good shape. He's probably in better shape physically than say, Big Ben, Carson Palmer or even Vince Young. The guys just hasn't been through it like most his age. It hink he'd be fine starting 16 games, it won't happen with the Skins though.

[RF4L]

Let me understand something. Is the Jason Campbell love fest here a product of the black ES members based primarily on him being a black QB?

That's the only sense I can make of it.

JC led us to a 5-7 record and was a major choke artist. Our season would be over right now if he was still playing. Over, understand?

If this view offends anyone, sorry. :)

Happy New Year and Go Skins!!!!

:cheers:

[Samuels]

Let me understand something. Is the Jason Campbell love fest here a product of the black ES members based primarily on him being a black QB?

That's the only sense I can make of it.

JC led us to a 5-7 record and was a major choke artist. Our season would be over right now if he was still playing. Over, understand?

If this view offends anyone, sorry. :)

Happy New Year and Go Skins!!!!

:cheers:

Your a moron.. I'm white has well if that matters..

JC you could say cost us to 2 f'ing games all year POSSIBLY Dallas and TB

Dallas he threw a late int to win. But he was also outstanding the whole game throwing for well over 300 yards till that point. And he damn sure was'nt covering TO in that game.

NYG- was it his falt we gave up a 17-3 lead? was he blocking or running on 4 straight plays from the 1 to tie?

GB- Played great again, did he drop multiple great passes?? did he fumble and Woodson run it in for a TD??

TB- 6 TO'S getting us behind early was Moss and Portis fumbling. JC threw for well over 300 yards againest the top ranked defense. He threw 2 late ints trying to bring us back from a 19-0 hole..

NE- Whole team sucked not JC's fault

Bills- Did JC get consevative? was JC blocking cause he was getting murked? Did JC give up the hail mary type play at the end? did JC call the 2 TO'S

Eagles- JC again played well. Did he give up the screen play to Westy? Did he let them come back after being down double digits??

Was it really JC's fault we were 5-7 seriously?

And Collins has never trailed and has had good running game,playaction,healthy wr's and decent protection. I would'nt just write JC like most of you guys who have never played a down of anything in your life.


We have our QB of the future period, quit ****ting on him because Collins is playing well just be happy we are winning.

[Ghost of Nibbs McPimpin]

Let me understand something. Is the Jason Campbell love fest here a product of the black ES members based primarily on him being a black QB?

That's the only sense I can make of it.

JC led us to a 5-7 record and was a major choke artist. Our season would be over right now if he was still playing. Over, understand?



Two things:

1) I think there ARE a few people who are 'racial homers' as I would understand it and you can tell because some of the same people dissed Collins and tried to imply Campbell critics were racists. Also, a few of them may not be black but have some sort of affinity still based on the race thing. But I don't think it's the majority of posters.

For the most part, I think it's a personal investment in a guy without understanding that the young guy usually gets the nod because the team HAS NO OPTIONS!! But if you have a guy who can win you games, your VETERAN TEAM needs THAT guy to play and win. Forgot losing to teach a guy how to be a good QB for a time when the team may be retooling or rebuilding!

2) There's no doubt in my mind AT ALL, that everything the team is saying on and off the record indicates that Jason IS NOT READY YET for this and that we would NOT be in the playoffs now with Jason.


And Happy New Year!

[Uno Boss]

Your a moron.. I'm white has well if that matters..

JC you could say cost us to 2 f'ing games all year POSSIBLY Dallas and TB

Dallas he threw a late int to win. But he was also outstanding the whole game throwing for well over 300 yards till that point. And he damn sure was'nt covering TO in that game.

NYG- was it his falt we gave up a 17-3 lead? was he blocking or running on 4 straight plays from the 1 to tie?

GB- Played great again, did he drop multiple great passes?? did he fumble and Woodson run it in for a TD??

TB- 6 TO'S getting us behind early was Moss and Portis fumbling. JC threw for well over 300 yards againest the top ranked defense. He threw 2 late ints trying to bring us back from a 19-0 hole..

NE- Whole team sucked not JC's fault

Bills- Did JC get consevative? was JC blocking cause he was getting murked? Did JC give up the hail mary type play at the end? did JC call the 2 TO'S

Eagles- JC again played well. Did he give up the screen play to Westy? Did he let them come back after being down double digits??

Was it really JC's fault we were 5-7 seriously?

And Collins has never trailed and has had good running game,playaction,healthy wr's and decent protection. I would'nt just write JC like most of you guys who have never played a down of anything in your life.


We have our QB of the future period, quit ****ting on him because Collins is playing well just be happy we are winning.

Nobody wants to hear that truth....

They say blacks are supporting JC because they are black...
But what about those who bash him that are black ..:laugh:

Or maybe those who bash him be it black or white are ignoring all of the true things you posted and ignoring the fact that our
D gave up 24 ppg in JC's last four and are only giving up 13.5 in TC's last four...
or that we now have what is called a running game and better pass protection..
Those things are easier to see on a message board than someones race...

I'm black and I acknowledge that TC is doing a good job...but i take up for JC because
more than anything i support the truth and the truth is we were not losing because of him and we are not winning because of collins..there is more to it than just QB play....




I support the truth

Truth is Biracial :laugh:

[Tarhog]

Gibbs is smarter than you :)

Trust me.

[Oldfan]

Once again, the guy may not even be here next year. I hope he is, but to expect a 37 year old to hold up for an entire 16 game season is risking a lot (see Brunell). The older QBs inevitably hit a wall, but they can get you good stretches to get you on a run. Does anyone remember in 2005 that Brunell was completely incapable of throwing the ball down the field after the Dallas game?

I don't think the team should give up on Jason, but your argument against Collins doesn't work for me.

Jason, who has had two fairly serious injuries to that left knee is less likely to complete a full season next year than the older Collins who has no injury history. Collins is a unique case. You can't lump him into a group with "the older QBs."

[Oldfan]

Gibbs is smarter than you :)

Trust me.

You could only judge that if you were smarter than both of us. Joe won't concede that and neither will I.:cool:

[Muzzah]

Gibbs didnt bench Brunell when Ramsey felt good during the Bears game, and Ramsey was actually startin to do well , but yeah, gogo Collins. Campbell will have his day he is still young and has plenty to learn.

[wunderhill]

if TC carries us deep into the playoffs it might be why JG returns next season...i think him knowing he has someone ready to play in this offense and not having to wait till JC developes further makes it an easier decision to give it one more year...i don't think he would return to wait on JC

[SearchHorizon]

if TC carries us deep into the playoffs it might be why JG returns next season...i think him knowing he has someone ready to play in this offense and not having to wait till JC developes further makes it an easier decision to give it one more year...i don't think he would return to wait on JC
JG would have returned whether Collins turned out to be a gem or a piece or crap, unless he had to fulfill his personal obligations to his family.

I am not naive enough to simply trust people. But I know that there are still people in this world who try to do things they promise.

Gibbs is one of those people -- you can check his history.

[Area51]

I think the fans are making this a bigger issue than it really is. Even though Gibbs has made A LOT of WTF moves, there is no way that even he would bench Collins now in favor of Campbell. Campbell probably knows this as well.

We have been doing great with Collins at QB. Is it all because of him? No. EVERYONE on offense, from CP to Fabini, is playing at a higher level. Gregg Williams has finally manned the **** up and has stopped playing 'bend and wait to break.' And Saunders is calling better plays, which does have a lot to do with his comfort level with Collins.

Campbell is our future and Collins is our 'now.' They both should be pretty aware of their places with the team. Collins knows that he is not a long term option aty 36 and Campbell knows that he is the future. Lets just root for our team and whoever lines up.

BTW, there really is no point in bringing up the race issue. Race was not stated as a reason as to why Collins should start ahead of Campbell in this thread until someone made a ridiculous post claiming that it was.

[SearchHorizon]

ICollins knows that he is not a long term option aty 36 ...
I remember when I was 36. I used to think I was immortal and invincible.

You sure that Collins thinks he is not the long term solution?

[ozskin]

Gibbs doesn't have a decision to make here. The choice is obvious. Collins got us here and deserves to keep it going.

[thehogs]

I remember when I was 36. I used to think I was immortal and invincible.

You sure that Collins thinks he is not the long term solution?

One thing about a career on the bench is that at 36 he is pretty much injury free. That can add a couple of years to someones career. I wouldnt class him as the most mobile QB but he is getting the job done.

[redskinsunshine]

I think the fans are making this a bigger issue than it really is. Even though Gibbs has made A LOT of WTF moves, there is no way that even he would bench Collins now in favor of Campbell. Campbell probably knows this as well.

We have been doing great with Collins at QB. Is it all because of him? No. EVERYONE on offense, from CP to Fabini, is playing at a higher level. Gregg Williams has finally manned the **** up and has stopped playing 'bend and wait to break.' And Saunders is calling better plays, which does have a lot to do with his comfort level with Collins.

Campbell is our future and Collins is our 'now.' They both should be pretty aware of their places with the team. Collins knows that he is not a long term option aty 36 and Campbell knows that he is the future. Lets just root for our team and whoever lines up.

Thank you. An excellent analysis, and I agree 100%.

[Samuels]

if TC carries us deep into the playoffs it might be why JG returns next season...i think him knowing he has someone ready to play in this offense and not having to wait till JC developes further makes it an easier decision to give it one more year...i don't think he would return to wait on JC

This is what i hate, wait on what my friend??. The defense is actually playing well now getting TO's and holding leads unlike the NYG,Dallas,Bills and Eagles game where they gave up nice leads..The NE was a team joke. The GB game he was outstanding again in bad weather and Santana let the whole team down. How many perfect passes did our WR's drop in that game??

JC was doing a fine job for a young guy of leading this team. You could pin 2 games on him all year long the Dallas game were he played outstanding throwing for over 300 yards till that pick. Did he cover TO?
And the TB game with the other clowns getting us down early 19-0 halftime. JC roasted them for over 300 yards and threw 2 late ints trying to bring us back. Go read my post on the page before.

This team has been good all year long and were better then thier 5-7 record. It was no fault of JC's.

I would ride the hothand right now but if he struggles in the playoffs JC would be put in without hesitation.

People have to recognize this winning streak is'nt about 1 guy although he has been great. We are running the ball,pass protecting and the playaction stuff is working has a result. But the most important thing is the defense is actually holding leads now unlike earlier this year.

TC has'nt dealt with playing from behind yet that will be the true test where you just gotta throw. He has'nt dealt with unhealthy WR's dropping passes like crazy or bad protection. He has'nt dealt with getting a nice lead to see the defense poop it away.

I like TC and i would let him play this out unless he starts stinking in 1 of these playoff games and i'd sit him atleast for that game and let JC try to rally a comeback.

TC is the now
JC is the future without a doubt.

[AUskins]

Its tough being a Redskins fan. We have a lot of self proclaimed NFL and redskin experts on the site who talk as if they could play like Tom Brady and outcoach Joe Gibbs.

Unless some of you are Redskin members or coaches posting anonymously then all of us know exactly the same....squat. I dont care how many blogs or stats you read, your opinion is worth exactly as much as mine or my wifes who doesnt know what city the Redskins are in.

Please get over yourselves and treat speculation as such.

[eagleskins]

Let me understand something. Is the Jason Campbell love fest here a product of the black ES members based primarily on him being a black QB?

That's the only sense I can make of it.

JC led us to a 5-7 record and was a major choke artist. Our season would be over right now if he was still playing. Over, understand?

If this view offends anyone, sorry. :)

Happy New Year and Go Skins!!!!

:cheers:

I totally agree with you. I got banned for 2 weeks for saying the very same thing. Of course when I said this, Campbell had just lost the Buffalo game, and TC came in and went 4-0. It is what it is.