Good Info on ST's Possible Replacement

[70Chip44]

- Hope you guys find this helpful.

- My old college roomate is an agent and two of his clients are Madieu Williams from the Bengals and Gibril Wilson from the Giants, both of whom are free agents this year. Apparently the 'Skins would like to bring at least one of them here to replace ST and have the same type combination before ST died. So in other words they would like to have a Williams / Landry combo or Wilson/Landry combo. Both of these guys are very hard hitters, smart players and would play Taylor's role well....

- I thought this was interesting to pass along, I will let you know when I hear more.

[NewCliche21]

I say we stick with what we have.

[Skins26]

Gibril Wilson played at UT he became a beast his senior year then went on to play well for the Giants.

[Xero21]

Landry is Sean Taylor's replacement. (Though no one can really replace him)

I personally would not want either of them (Wilson/Williams) on our team.

[STBonecrusher21]

I say we stick with what we have.

I agree. Defense is playing lights out right now.

[Hiro]

No thanks. I really like what I see out of the Landry/Doughty combo.

[twenty-eight]

Yes to Gibril!

[DGreenistheBest]

I am pro-Doughty until evidence suggests that he is not the answer.

[#98QBKiller]

I'm liking Landry/Doughty as well

[TheChief]

Miss that guy ST.

[terpfan]

Madieu Williams is a University of Maryland product. I'd happily take him here.

[KingGibbs]

Nobody is taking over Taylor's spot. It's already been filled when we moved Landry to FS. I am liking what I am seeing in Doughty at SS, so I don't see the safety spot being a need in the offseason.

[terpskins10]

Yep, I love Madieu Williams and I'd love to see him out here. That being said, I do like Doughty's potential and would rather stick with what we have in-house. I wouldn't be upset either way, but for what Reed had to go through being the "replacement" to Taylor, he's been doing a heck of a job. That at least warrants him being able to compete for the spot next year.

[70Chip44]

- I do see where they are coming from here, I mean let's be truthful to ourselves Doughty is a "nice" player but he is nothing more then that....

[2006Skins]

If you don't need to bring in a FA to start, then don't. This chemistry has finally meshed beautifully. Gibbs even said these are one of 5 or 6 teams he can count on to do the work necessary. This comes through chemistry. Keep the guys we have here. Doughty has given the team no reason not to start next year.

[redman]

I'm not sold yet on Doughty, though his progress has amazed me. I wouldn't mind at all giving Wilson or Williams a look - we play in packages with a lot of DB's anyway, so it's not like we couldn't still use Doughty.

Plus, let's not forget how lucky we've been with Springs' health this year, and the fact that his age and his price tag might compel us to draft another CB this year.

[chow184]

I'm a Pro-Doughty guy but Gibril Wilson would be great,I don't know about Madue Williams though,bengals secondary is last place I'd want to take anyone from...

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

I am pro-Doughty until evidence suggests that he is not the answer.

:point2sky

[Chanhillbilly]

No thanks.. I would like to see how far Landry and Doughty can take this thing next year. They have come a very long way since that game in Dallas. Don't forget that we are 7-20 million over the cap so keep you wish list to a minimum for next year.

[illone]

The Skins may still elect to bring in another safety for depth.

:)

[Siven]

Madieu Williams is a University of Maryland product. I'd happily take him here.

I'll happily keep Doughty who has done well against some good tight ends. He's very cheap to keep and develop.

[redman]

I'm a Pro-Doughty guy but Gibril Wilson would be great,I don't know about Madue Williams though,bengals secondary is last place I'd want to take anyone from...

Williams is the real deal. He's overlooked because of his team and defense overall, and he's had some injury problems, but he's very good in coverage and he can hit and tackle.

Never forget that Marvin Lewis likes to have very active FS's, and that's who he hand picked to fill that role back in 2004.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

madieu williams sounds good to me. that way we can keep doughty for depth and extra dime packages and keep him on special teams for cheap.

[qb18_200400]

I like how we are now. Landry has filled in for Taylor real well and I think that is his position now. Maybe we draft a young player to fill in at Landry's old spot but I think we are fine.

[Glockypoo]

- I do see where they are coming from here, I mean let's be truthful to ourselves Doughty is a "nice" player but he is nothing more then that....
Whats wrong with having a "nice" player? I think we've learned the hard way that overpaying mediocre free agents isnt necessarily the best way to go. Complimentary players that know their roles and dont break the salary cap are a must these days in the NFL.

Reed is young, cheap and is getting better each and every game.

And BTW, if Doughty is "nice", how would you classify Williams and Wilson? The word average comes to my mind.

[SkinsNoles21]

The only person being replaced in our safety trio will be Pierson Prielou

[Bigmuss1]

I hope we trade up to get Kenny Phillips

[stinkpalmd]

I will vomit if we spend salary cap money or a draft choice on a safety next year. LL and Reed haven't given us any reason to jump ship on them yet.

Besides, I think we all know we will have more pressing needs if we have to dump salary-heavy personnel...

[skinzzfan25]

Haven't we learned yet?


High quality and consistent defenses are built from the line out. We could have far worse than Doughty at SS. A good pass rush makes a decent secondary look great. Carter can't do it by himself, take some of the double teams off of him and he could be looking at 13-16 sacks. I'd take Williams if the price is right. No need to break the bank for what is basically a luxury.

[Mercuryrising]

NO thanks....

[70Chip44]

Whats wrong with having a "nice" player? I think we've learned the hard way that overpaying mediocre free agents isnt necessarily the best way to go. Complimentary players that know their roles and dont break the salary cap are a must these days in the NFL.

Reed is young, cheap and is getting better each and every game.

And BTW, if Doughty is "nice", how would you classify Williams and Wilson? The word average comes to my mind.


- Williams is better then average my friend, Wilson is just average. Madieu would be an upgrade over Reed, BUT it would have to be the right price I'm tried of us overpaying guys.

[dfbovey]

If it were Adrian Wilson, then we'd be talking.

Only Richard Gere says yes to Gerbils.

[redman]

Haven't we learned yet?


High quality and consistent defenses are built from the line out. We could have far worse than Doughty at SS. A good pass rush makes a decent secondary look great. Carter can't do it by himself, take some of the double teams off of him and he could be looking at 13-16 sacks. I'd take Williams if the price is right. No need to break the bank for what is basically a luxury.

We have a good line. Get used to saying that.

Besides, signing a good S allows us to draft one of the good DE's this year.

[redman]

Whats wrong with having a "nice" player? I think we've learned the hard way that overpaying mediocre free agents isnt necessarily the best way to go. Complimentary players that know their roles and dont break the salary cap are a must these days in the NFL.

Reed is young, cheap and is getting better each and every game.

And BTW, if Doughty is "nice", how would you classify Williams and Wilson? The word average comes to my mind.

You don't strike me as being all that familiar with Williams.

[JazzConcert]

This doesnt even make sense. they are not good and why would we contact them. Isnt that tampering? I think the agent is just stirring the pot to get some hype. No thanks

[fdarugar]

Both of these guys are above average and nothing special but as Redman eluded to...signing a S allows us to draft DL.

[md20j]

Sure do miss Sean Taylor.



I like Doughty, though I'm frankly uneasy about him right at this time. I'm sure with time he'll work out, though...

JB

[Morneblade]

- I do see where they are coming from here, I mean let's be truthful to ourselves Doughty is a "nice" player but he is nothing more then that....

I'd love to have a team full of "nice players". And to be honest, the safety position is about the least important place on the Defense. So, If I can go with a inexpensive, low round 2nd year player that is "nice" and improve another area that we need an improvement (LDE) that is more important for the same price as bringing in a FA Safety?

Do it.

Reed is playing well. He's a smart kid and I think he'll become even more solid next year.

[dfbovey]

We have a good line. Get used to saying that.

Besides, signing a good S allows us to draft one of the good DE's this year.

Yeah, we had 22 sacks from our defensive line this year. 10.5 of them from Andre Carter. Which is definitely more than we've had in a while.

37 sacks total from the defense? Not bad.

Can still be improved on but it was much better than I anticipated.

[Bigmuss1]

I will vomit if we spend salary cap money or a draft choice on a safety next year. LL and Reed haven't given us any reason to jump ship on them yet.

Besides, I think we all know we will have more pressing needs if we have to dump salary-heavy personnel...

Look, I am extremely pleased with Doughty's play of late, but think back to the Dallas away game. He committed awful PI penalties when he was put in a position to cover someone. He is NOT a starter in this league, he is doin fine for now, but once offenses take a look at him on film thru the off season...HE is in trouble.

We do need another high caliber, all around safety. I would rather see us draft one, instead pay top dollar on a FA.

Don't wanna be negative this week on any of our players, but the reality is what it is.

HTTR

[#98QBKiller]

I hope we trade up to get Kenny Phillips



If we trade up I don't think it will be for Kenny Phillips.

[Morneblade]

We have a good line. Get used to saying that.

Besides, signing a good S allows us to draft one of the good DE's this year.

Imagine if we had another DE to go with Carter? Yeah, then it would be pretty stout. Reed is a good young player, let him develop and lets get someone to replace Daneils.

[70Chip44]

I'd love to have a team full of "nice players". And to be honest, the safety position is about the least important place on the Defense. So, If I can go with a inexpensive, low round 2nd year player that is "nice" and improve another area that we need an improvement (LDE) that is more important for the same price as bringing in a FA Safety?

Do it.

Reed is playing well. He's a smart kid and I think he'll become even more solid next year.

- I agree w. brotherman! I like both Wilson and Williams BUT would NOT OVERPAY for either one of them!

[abdcskins]

If he's available in the 2nd round: Jonathan Hefney from Tennessee. He's real good.

[Bigmuss1]

If we trade up I don't think it will be for Kenny Phillips.

Why not?

[#98QBKiller]

Why not?


Because LaRon Landry is doing very well in the FS spot and Reed Doughty is doing well in the SS spot.

I doubt we trade up at all, I see us looking to keep our picks for depth, but if we were to trade up I think the coaches would go after one of the top DL guys like Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, or someone similar.

[Whiskeypeet]

Nobody replaces Taylor. ****.

[kingfish50]

- I do see where they are coming from here, I mean let's be truthful to ourselves Doughty is a "nice" player but he is nothing more then that....


Please explain the "nice player" bit. I personally think he's done an exceptional job(which is more than nice). If he falters tomorrow then you might have an argument but as of now, you'll have to explain.

[Hunter_R]

Look, I am extremely pleased with Doughty's play of late, but think back to the Dallas away game. He committed awful PI penalties when he was put in a position to cover someone. He is NOT a starter in this league, he is doin fine for now, but once offenses take a look at him on film thru the off season...HE is in trouble.
And yet, after the Dallas game, he's been put in his natural ss position, and, as you say, you're pleased with it. The reason you didn't like his play in Dallas is that he wasn't playing in his normal position.

[Bigmuss1]

Because LaRon Landry is doing very well in the FS spot and Reed Doughty is doing well in the SS spot.

I doubt we trade up at all, I see us looking to keep our picks for depth, but if we were to trade up I think the coaches would go after one of the top DL guys like Chris Long, Vernon Gholston, or someone similar.

I dunno about you, but Doughty is OK. He has been playin well, but he is just OK. We need a FS, Laron is a SS and needs to be in the box. His tackling and blitzing will be so much more effective from the SS position.

We can sign a FA for DL, there is a ton out on the market. Look up Kenny Phillips brother, he could be another UUUUU! answer for this team.

I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right, just my opinion.

[Bigmuss1]

Nobody replaces Taylor. ****.

I don't think anyone hear will ever say so and so can replace ST, but the reality is we need some secondary help.

We won't get Carlos back until mid year next year. And even then he won't be 100%

[dfbovey]

I dunno about you, but Doughty is OK. He has been playin well, but he is just OK. We need a FS, Laron is a SS and needs to be in the box. His tackling and blitzing will be so much more effective from the SS position.

We can sign a FA for DL, there is a ton out on the market. Look up Kenny Phillips brother, he could be another UUUUU! answer for this team.

I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right, just my opinion.


Landry is a good FS as well. He has the speed to play the position. He's one of those guys, like an Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins who can play both. I don't think he is any better at SS compared to FS to be honest. He seems equally good at both.

I kinda like when they have him up near the line of scrimmage like he's gonna blitz and then he sprints back into coverage. Teams seem to have trouble with it.

[#98QBKiller]

I dunno about you, but Doughty is OK. He has been playin well, but he is just OK. We need a FS, Laron is a SS and needs to be in the box. His tackling and blitzing will be so much more effective from the SS position.

We can sign a FA for DL, there is a ton out on the market. Look up Kenny Phillips brother, he could be another UUUUU! answer for this team.

I'm not saying your wrong or I'm right, just my opinion.



I know all about Kenny Phillips, I know that his coach says he has the "smarts of Ed Reed with the body and speed of Sean Taylor." And I wouldn't be upset if we got him.

But honestly, there's no great DE out there that's going to be available in FA. Jared Allen will be franchise tagged, he's the best player on KC's roster. Albert Haynesworth would be nice but our DTs are playing great and we need someone to take over for Philip Daniels and be the future on that side.

[ntotoro]

Look, I am extremely pleased with Doughty's play of late, but think back to the Dallas away game.

You mean his first ever start?

I'd take an entire team full of "average" guys over a team of overpaid underachievers. Safety is one position where we don't need two "name," even though we had something special for a short time with Landry & Taylor.

We need other positions more than to use another First Round pick or expensive Free Agent pickup on a Safety.

[Bigmuss1]

You mean his first ever start?

Come on, just watch him play...He is OK. Period. Why can't we try to get someone who can impact a game. Recently, safeties out of the U have been ridiculous..ED REED.. ST..

Our secondary will need help and depth next year, Doughty will be great for depth, but we need help there.

Did anyone watch the CB from Kansas, he seems pretty good too.

[abdcskins]

I dunno about you, but Doughty is OK. He has been playin well, but he is just OK. We need a FS, Laron is a SS and needs to be in the box. His tackling and blitzing will be so much more effective from the SS position.



Precisely. Doughty has grown on me, but I'm still not convinced he is a starting safety. Landry is much more effective at SS.

[Hiro]

Precisely. Doughty has grown on me, but I'm still not convinced he is a starting safety. Landry is much more effective at SS.

Landry's a great blitzer, but realistically our pass defense hasn't missed that much of beat with him back there at FS. He's a rookie, yet the rookie mistakes one would expect from a rookie FS have been minimal, and he'll IMPROVE.

Why mess with a good thing?

[ntotoro]

Come on, just watch him play...He is OK. Period. Why can't we try to get someone who can impact a game. Recently, safeties out of the U have been ridiculous..ED REED.. ST..

Because we don't need to spend another 1st Rounder or big bucks on a Free Agent Safety. It's a luxury position, not need. We were fortunate to get Landry, considering what happened, but we have other positions of need, such as O-Line.

[jrockster21]

I like what Doughty has done a lot, but Gibril Wilson partnered up with Landry makes me happy in the pants.

[dfbovey]

Because we don't need to spend another 1st Rounder or big bucks on a Free Agent Safety. It's a luxury position, not need. We were fortunate to get Landry, considering what happened, but we have other positions of need, such as O-Line.


We need depth on the offensive line. Good young talent to use as back ups and eventually maybe replace some of these older guys down the road. IMO, something to address in rounds 3-7. For example, a Derrick Dockery type which we drafted in round 4?

Safety seems to be very important to Gregg Williams and it wouldn't surprise me if they do go after someone with a higher profile. Whether it's the dude from Miami or a free agent. It's not what I want but it's something that has high probability.

We also have Carlos Rogers coming off of a major knee injury and the contract of Shawn Springs to worry about. I cringe at the idea of spending yet another high pick on secondary help but it might be needed.

[DCranon21]

I like the combo of Landry and Doughty and what they are doing back there. No need to bring in a UFA now.

[Aghar]

That sounds like a great idea. :insane: Lets trade up getting rid of more draft picks for a player we don't really need because his college coach says he is great and he reminds people of ST. Let us forget the FACT that since Doughty has been moved to his natural position and he is playing above average. People fail to realize that this kid has only started a handful of games and other than a few plays here and there has been playing excellent. He's cheap, he's young and he's doing everything that has been asked of him from his teamates and his coaches. So yeah, you're right. Time to look for a replacement. :doh:

I think it's time people start to move on. Look around the league and tell me where there is a YOUNG combo at safety playing as well as these two right now. You won't find em without arguement.

We, as a team, have overlooked the DLine forever. I think it's time we change that. Starting now.

One last thing....I cannot believe I got into this conversation the night before a playoff game. Ugh...to be continued....after the season.

:logo: :point2sky

[skinfan2k]

Why do Redskins fan think we need sexy names or big free agents at every position? Last year it was Lance, year before Adam A. Whats next

[Cooley's Kidz]

reed has played well and is here to stay. look at all the other young guys our coaches have developed into playmakers. they can do that with reed no problem. 37 is legit and a force.


keep reed, safety is not an issue

[Seabee1973]

Bringing in a free agent would not be the best idea In one thread earlier this season I stated teh defense could get better by trading Tayler hate to say it we got the bad end of this trade but the defense is playing good without the extra players i wanted

[Mr. Sinister]

I'd say leave the secondary as is, and draft a d-end like Vernon Gholston or Lawrence Jackson