Good Wins/Bad Losses

[PCRoughrider]

By my count, we're even 3-3.

The good wins are @Dallas, Boston and @Boston.

The bad losses are @Memphis, @Philadelphia, @New York.

...and don't believe the coachspeak BS that all wins are good wins because if a team expects to win a championship or make the playoffs or, hell, win games then they have to actually WIN GAMES so all wins aren't good wins. Some wins are just wins.

Also, there are bad losses because, since no team is expected to go 82-0, every team will lose games. Some losses are not bad, they're just losses.

If the Knicks game had been against almost any other team in the league other than the handful or so of teams that you should NEVER lose to (like Memphis and Philadelphia) then it wouldn't have been a bad loss. The fourth game in five days is almost always a loss but if you were playing on the moon after 50 straight games, YOU SHOULD NEVER LOSE TO THE KNICKS!

It's good we don't have any bad losses at home.

[Rudechain]

By my count, we're even 3-3.

The good wins are @Dallas, Boston and @Boston.

The bad losses are @Memphis, @Philadelphia, @New York.

...and don't believe the coachspeak BS that all wins are good wins because if a team expects to win a championship or make the playoffs or, hell, win games then they have to actually WIN GAMES so all wins aren't good wins. Some wins are just wins.

Also, there are bad losses because, since no team is expected to go 82-0, every team will lose games. Some losses are not bad, they're just losses.

If the Knicks game had been against almost any other team in the league other than the handful or so of teams that you should NEVER lose to (like Memphis and Philadelphia) then it wouldn't have been a bad loss. The fourth game in five days is almost always a loss but if you were playing on the moon after 50 straight games, YOU SHOULD NEVER LOSE TO THE KNICKS!

It's good we don't have any bad losses at home.


Well let's look at the schedule they just played in a week.

They host the Rockets and lose, then travel to Atlanta and win in overtime 3 days later. The very next day, they travel back to Washington to host the Celtics and win the game. Two days later they travel to Boston and beat the Celtics in their own house. Then the team had to play the Knicks the very next day without Antonio Daniels.

So that's five games in 7 days and 3 of those games were on the road. And the final game your playing without a PG while your team is on tired legs.

Right now, the team has the 4th best record in the East and only two games behind Orlando for the Southeast Division. They have played without their leading scorer for quite a while and still have managed to put themselves in a good position for a run at the division.

You state no team is expected to go 82-0. Would it be fair to claim no team would go 0-82? And if that's the case, why would a loss to the Knicks, who incidently have beaten the Pistons, the Jazz and the Nets be considered a bad loss?

By the way, the Wiz get revenge on Friday when the Knicks show up at the phone booth.

[PCRoughrider]

You state no team is expected to go 82-0. Would it be fair to claim no team would go 0-82? And if that's the case, why would a loss to the Knicks, who incidently have beaten the Pistons, the Jazz and the Nets be considered a bad loss?

No, no team is expected to go 0-82 but the Knicks are "beyond the pale" bad. You just shouldn't lose to them under any circumstances. You shouldn't lose to Minnesota (but Phoenix did). You shouldn't lose to Memphis, Philadelphia and a few other teams.

Some teams will lose to those teams, though and, when they do, they will be bad losses.

The only way losing to one of those teams is not a bad loss is if the opponent is another one of those teams, ie Philadelphia losing to New York.

[kreitmaster]

Well, let's see, didn't the Knicks blow out the Pistons on Sunday? So I guess the Pistons are not a good team either. The Wiz were clearly tired and did not get up for a game against the lowly Knicks.

[Rudechain]

No, no team is expected to go 0-82 but the Knicks are "beyond the pale" bad. You just shouldn't lose to them under any circumstances. You shouldn't lose to Minnesota (but Phoenix did). You shouldn't lose to Memphis, Philadelphia and a few other teams.

Some teams will lose to those teams, though and, when they do, they will be bad losses.

The only way losing to one of those teams is not a bad loss is if the opponent is another one of those teams, ie Philadelphia losing to New York.

Sorry, but I just find that logic flawed. These guys are atheletes, but they are also human. It's not like playstation where you can turn off fatigue.

So what about the Pistons then? They lost to that same Knicks team just prior to the Wiz losing. Does that make them substandard?

What about the fact they were missing Daniels and inserted Mason in his place? Could it be possible that fatigue and injuries played a part in the defeat?

Nobody is perfect, and basketball players, like any other profession will have off days.

Sorry, but I just dont' see this as you do. Playing five games in 7 days with three being on the road will wear any team out. Then consider a short rotation brought on by injuries and the problem is compounded.

Surely these have to be factored in.

[pjfootballer]

I swear this city is cursed. Redskins have a slew of injuries. Caps lose Semin, Clark and now Nylander. Wiz have been without Thomas and Hibachi all season. It would really be nice for my teams to have their full compliment of players to see what they could really do.

[Warhead36]

Playing on the road is always tough so I wouldn't really count those as bad losses.

[PCRoughrider]

Sorry, but I just find that logic flawed. These guys are atheletes, but they are also human. It's not like playstation where you can turn off fatigue.

So what about the Pistons then? They lost to that same Knicks team just prior to the Wiz losing. Does that make them substandard?

Every year, in every league, there are a handful or so of teams that are truly terrible. They'll be lucky to win 20% of their games. This is no less true in the NBA in 2007-2008.

There are teams that no one should lose to but, despite that, these teams will win some games. For most teams, these are bad losses.

Us (or Detroit) losing to New York is just a bad loss. It means nothing beyond that unless you miss making the playoffs by one game. I just like to keep count.

[Rudechain]

Every year, in every league, there are a handful or so of teams that are truly terrible. They'll be lucky to win 20% of their games. This is no less true in the NBA in 2007-2008.

There are teams that no one should lose to but, despite that, these teams will win some games. For most teams, these are bad losses.

Us (or Detroit) losing to New York is just a bad loss. It means nothing beyond that unless you miss making the playoffs by one game. I just like to keep count.

I see you deftly sidestepped the questions I asked.

5 games in 7 days and 3 of them on the road. Daniels being out, leaving Mason to play PG.


You don't think that's important? You mean to tell me you can travel all over the place, have maximum energy output and not wear down?


Sorry, and will all due respect, but I still find your logic flawed.

[PCRoughrider]

I see you deftly sidestepped the questions I asked.

5 games in 7 days and 3 of them on the road. Daniels being out, leaving Mason to play PG.


You don't think that's important? You mean to tell me you can travel all over the place, have maximum energy output and not wear down?


Sorry, and will all due respect, but I still find your logic flawed.

The terribleness of the Knicks outweigh everything else. This isn't enough of a handicap that losing to them isn't a bad loss.

[joony11]

Rudechain, he's just saying that they had some bad losses. I mean sure, we didn't have Daniels and we were tired from the week when we played the Knicks, but whenever we play the Knicks, isn't that a game we should win? It's tougher, granted, and we can take the loss with a grain of salt, but the guy is simply counting games that we lost to bad teams.

As for Detroit losing to New York, I don't see where he called the Pistons a bad team for losing to them. Nor are we a bad team for losing to them. We just lost a game that was against an easy foe.

[Rudechain]

Rudechain, he's just saying that they had some bad losses. I mean sure, we didn't have Daniels and we were tired from the week when we played the Knicks, but whenever we play the Knicks, isn't that a game we should win? It's tougher, granted, and we can take the loss with a grain of salt, but the guy is simply counting games that we lost to bad teams.

As for Detroit losing to New York, I don't see where he called the Pistons a bad team for losing to them. Nor are we a bad team for losing to them. We just lost a game that was against an easy foe.


Not exactly. When a team plays that kind of schedule and has the circumstances this team has, it's a loss, but not a bad loss. They beat the same team last night. The difference is they had a little more rest, and the opponent has played several games in a short stretch.


It's a long season, and there are ups and downs for every team. If a team shows absolutely no heart or desire to even play the game, that would be a loss, but that's not this team. This team plays to win every night. Sometimes, they just can not win due to mitigating factors such as fatigue and injury.

You have to take those factors in account.

[PCRoughrider]

Now, we're up 4-3. :laugh:

[PCRoughrider]

Back to tied, 4-4. :mad:

[PCRoughrider]

Back to tied, 4-4. :mad:

Well, not quite. :laugh:

I was a touch premature, I guess. When you're down by 11 with less than two minutes, you don't expect to send the game into overtime.

So we're back at 4-3 for at least five more minutes. :applause:

[Sticksboi05]

As usual, they start it but cannot finish it. How do you let him get that shot twice?

[KingSprings]

As usual, they start it but cannot finish it. How do you let him get that shot twice?

BACKBREAKER!!! It's the same old Wizards folks. :(

[Sticksboi05]

Wow, and yet again scrubs beat us. I'm tired of this crap. A joke team that won't even make the playoffs is going to beat us. You gotta play D and we cannot.

I hate when stupid nobodys have their one moment of greatness against us. Whatever have fun at home in March Milwaukee.

[PCRoughrider]

Now officially back to even, 4-4. :mad:

[RedskinsNation]

I love how bums come out of nowhere to play great against us....Storey???? IVEY????

R U kidding me?

I knew Mo Williams was gonna drop a bundle on us but damm he's 6ft tall....put someone on him and put a hand in his face..its not that hard to figure out.

I cant believe Ivey just throws garbage up and he hits it.

[Sticksboi05]

We are as usual an average team still. We do not take opportunities to separate ourselves from 6-8 seed against mediocre teams. You can't lose these games. And we lost a game on the Magic today...I hate losing to teams who don't matter because they won't make the playoffs...

[pjfootballer]

Another "BAD" loss to a scrub team. No Redd, no problem.