How is Eddie Jordan still a coach in the NBA?

[mad4comp]

What a bum... ROFL

:laugh:

[chipwhich]

What a bum... ROFL

:laugh:

Yep the wiz/bullets were a joke until he took over. Yep he is a bum :doh:

Nice post.

[mad4comp]

Yep the wiz/bullets were a joke until he took over. Yep he is a bum :doh:


Yea he led us from a horrible team to mediocre one. Celebration time....break out the Champagne!

[mad4comp]

It's been four years since I made the post about EJ not having a clue about substitutions and here we are 4 years later and he still has no clue.

[chipwhich]

Yea he led us from a horrible team to mediocre one. Celebration time....break out the Champagne!

You must be a Hokie fan...:doh: Gobble Gobble.

[mad4comp]

You must be a Hokie fan...:doh: Gobble Gobble.

Wow, you can read my sig. Good for you!

[chipwhich]

It's been four years since I made the post about EJ not having a clue about substitutions and here we are 4 years later and he still has no clue.

And your coaching choice would be?

You are too young to even know what the bullets were like prior to Jordan coaching.

[WizSkinsO's]

Are you retarded?

[mad4comp]

And your coaching choice would be?

You are too young to even know what the bullets were like prior to Jordan coaching.

You're a newbie here right? I suggest you do a couple searches on EJ and mediocre. Read some of my threads and then come back and let me know what you think.

[mad4comp]

Are you retarded?

Are you?

[WizSkinsO's]

Are you?
No. I don't know if you can say the same though. Teams have let-down games occasionally. Look at our freaking record without Gilbert and the big picture and the tremendous job he's done with this team as a hole. The Bucks got lucky on one tonight with Royal Ivey chucking up crap and our offense didn't want it all game except for Butler. One game. It's on the players, not on Coach of the Year right now Eddie Jordan. Don't make "rofl" BS threads like this because if we had pulled that out in OT you'd have been shut up like you have all season long.

[chipwhich]

You're a newbie here right? I suggest you do a couple searches on EJ and mediocre. Read some of my threads and then come back and let me know what you think.

DUDE you are 22. Come on now. Get a little experience under your belt and come back when you understand pro basketball.

[chipwhich]

Mad4comp

Where are the Wizards in the overall league standings this year.

They are missing their best player.

Thats like the lakers without Kobe.

WOW

[Kevin101]

I have to agree with him, like I usually do, with EJ we will never get passed the first round.

[mad4comp]

No. I don't know if you can say the same though. Teams have let-down games occasionally. Look at our freaking record without Gilbert and the big picture and the tremendous job he's done with this team as a hole. The Bucks got lucky on one tonight with Royal Ivey chucking up crap and our offense didn't want it all game except for Butler. One game. It's on the players, not on Coach of the Year right now Eddie Jordan. Don't make "rofl" BS threads like this because if we had pulled that out in OT you'd have been shut up like you have all season long.

Trust me, I would have made this thread, win or lose. Might wanna ask a few of the older posters here young one.

[skinfan2k]

Regardless, you cant win every game in the NBA. what the wizards did from coming from 12 in 100 seconds was remarkable.

[chipwhich]

I have to agree with him, like I usually do, with EJ we will never get passed the first round.

What you don't get is we had a franchise that was in the TOILET for 25 years.

Count them, 25 years. And you whine about first round playoffs.

Once you get a realization of what 25 years means, get back to me.

You have to build a franchise that knows how to win. You don't do that in 4 years.

:cheers:

[mad4comp]

DUDE you are 22. Come on now. Get a little experience under your belt and come back when you understand pro basketball.

What does age have to do with anything? Just because you're 45 (supposedly) doesn't mean you have more "experience" than me. For all I know you could either be a 16 year old masquerading as a older person (just to use the experience card), or a 45 year old whose only been a fan for a year or two. Fact of the matter is, I've been here for four years posting every year on the team and EJ (even when we sucked), where were you at this time?

[mad4comp]

Regardless, you cant win every game in the NBA. what the wizards did from coming from 12 in 100 seconds was remarkable.

oh I agree, but the way EJ handled the game? Laughable. I thought we EJ "proofed" the roster before the season began....guess not (D-Song).

Just wait for Etan to come back, and watch Haywood get relegated to 3rd string center behind Songaila. LOL

[KingSprings]

Regardless, you cant win every game in the NBA. what the wizards did from coming from 12 in 100 seconds was remarkable.

It was remarkable, I agree. However, legitimate teams close out games like this. This was the Milwaukee Bucks they lost to, not the Spurs. It just seems like the Wiz try and put in on cruise control against teams they SHOULD beat easily.

[WizSkinsO's]

Trust me, I would have made this thread, win or lose. Might wanna ask a few of the older posters here young one.
Young one? You're 22. Shut up.

And I've seen your posts the whole time. You've always been an idiot. You turned on EJ for no reason after we had the best record in the East around All-Star Break last year and then fell apart as any team would have without our best two players.

So you're telling me this thread would have come up if we had completed that incredible comeback and held on for the W in OT? Bullcrap.

The reason you've been quiet all year is because EJ has done an incredible job. Go back into your damn bandwagon hole and stfu.

[mad4comp]

Mad4comp

Where are the Wizards in the overall league standings this year.

They are missing their best player.

Thats like the lakers without Kobe.

WOW

Dumb comparison. Does Kobe have 2 all stars playing beside him as well? Don't pull the "omg Gil is hurt" excuse. Two all-stars should be enough firepower to not lose games like this (and make it past the first round).

[skinfan2k]

It was remarkable, I agree. However, legitimate teams close out games like this. This was the Milwaukee Bucks they lost to, not the Spurs. It just seems like the Wiz try and put in on cruise control against teams they SHOULD beat easily.

NO team in the NBA is easy.

[KingSprings]

NO team in the NBA is easy.

And I never said they were easy. But if the Wiz want to be true contenders they MUST beat teams like this. It seems we play well against the elite teams and don't show up against the sub par one's.

[chipwhich]

Dumb comparison. Does Kobe have 2 all stars playing beside him as well? Don't pull the "omg Gil is hurt" excuse. Two all-stars should be enough firepower to not lose games like this (and make it past the first round).

You said you have been posting this stuff for 4 years.

Try 25 years of toilet play son. You haven't experienced anything but good times.

:cheers:

[mad4comp]

Young one? You're 22. Shut up.

And I've seen your posts the whole time. You've always been an idiot. You turned on EJ for no reason after we had the best record in the East around All-Star Break last year and then fell apart as any team would have without our best two players.

So you're telling me this thread would have come up if we had completed that incredible comeback and held on for the W in OT? Bullcrap.

The reason you've been quiet all year is because EJ has done an incredible job. Go back into your damn bandwagon hole and stfu.

And you're 16. Shut up.

A.) I ragged on EJ before we led the EC, and even during it. (do a search)
B.) This thread would have come up eventually...you know when we finish with the same mediocre 41-41 record or something around that range.

And the reason I've been quiet all season is because unlike you, I have more important things to do than sit down and watch every wizards game. I'm a grad student this year, so it's kind of hard for me to catch every game seeing as i'm in the lab almost every day. But I've watched enough games this season to see the same trend as previous years. Brace yourselves....Mediocrity here we come!

[KingSprings]

And you're 16. Shut up.

A.) I ragged on EJ before we led the EC, and even during it. (do a search)
B.) This thread would have come up eventually...you know when we finish with the same mediocre 41-41 record or something around that range.

And the reason I've been quiet all season is because unlike you, I have more important things to do than sit down and watch every wizards game. I'm a grad student this year, so it's kind of hard for me to catch every game seeing as i'm in the lab almost every day. But I've watched enough games this season to see the same trend as previous years. Brace yourselves....Mediocrity here we come!

Sadly, I think we are already there. :(

[mad4comp]

You said you have been posting this stuff for 4 years.

Try 25 years of toilet play son. You haven't experienced anything but good times.

:cheers:

How is that a response to what I wrote? You didnt refute anything.

Secondly from toilet play to mediocrity is not that big of a jump.....this team is still bad.

[chipwhich]

How is that a response to what I wrote? You didnt refute anything.

Secondly from toilet play to mediocrity is not that big of a jump.....this team is still bad.

Come back and apologize to me in the playoffs.

Thanks!

[TheItalianStallion]

Remember how good our Offense was last year (with a healthy Gil)? Combine that with our D of this year (not great, but we can actually play D now) and you're looking at a title contender.

[Sticksboi05]

DUDE you are 22. Come on now. Get a little experience under your belt and come back when you understand pro basketball.


.......Dude you are 42 and you have to resort to age to win an argument....

My dad is 55 and all he watches is baseball oh but right he is older than me so he knows more about the NBA I forgot..... :doh:

[mad4comp]

Come back and apologize to me in the playoffs.

Thanks!

Don't count on it. When the Wizards lose to the Cavs in the playoffs for the fourth time, it's you thats gonna have to apologize.

[Sticksboi05]

Young one? You're 22. Shut up.

And I've seen your posts the whole time. You've always been an idiot. You turned on EJ for no reason after we had the best record in the East around All-Star Break last year and then fell apart as any team would have without our best two players.

So you're telling me this thread would have come up if we had completed that incredible comeback and held on for the W in OT? Bullcrap.

The reason you've been quiet all year is because EJ has done an incredible job. Go back into your damn bandwagon hole and stfu.

First off, he has disliked EJ even when we were winning. He isn't a two face so I'll give him that. Second the team feel apart well before those injuries. We went from above average (not great) to average and even below before Butler and Arenas went out...

The only person who needs to shutup is YOU for lack of information. We could've won this game and 10 more and he'd still say we won't win a ring with EJ. I'm not saying I agree but he does not change his views based on wins.

[KingSprings]

Remember how good our Offense was last year (with a healthy Gil)? Combine that with our D of this year (not great, but we can actually play D now) and you're looking at a title contender.

How are we going to be a title contender when we have trouble beating teams like Milwaukee? And in case you missed it we were destroyed by the Cavs the other night. As long as Eddie Jordan is here this team will not advance past the first round. Some of you may be okay with just getting to the playoffs but I am not.

[Sticksboi05]

How are we going to be a title contender when we have trouble beating teams like Milwaukee? And in case you missed it we were destroyed by the Cavs the other night. As long as Eddie Jordan is here this team will not advance past the first round. Some of you may be okay with just getting to the playoffs but I am not.

I don't know if it's EJ or what but this team with the way it plays is not yet a contender until it can consistently defend in key situations which we've proven unable to do...

Losing to bottom feeders like Milwaukee is not what contenders do more than once or twice a season.

[chipwhich]

.......Dude you are 42 and you have to resort to age to win an argument....

My dad is 55 and all he watches is baseball oh but right he is older than me so he knows more about the NBA I forgot..... :doh:

What do you know about the 25 years of Bullets/Wizards basketball prior to E Jordan?

Thanks!

[chipwhich]

I don't know if it's EJ or what but this team with the way it plays is not yet a contender until it can consistently defend in key situations which we've proven unable to do...

Losing to bottom feeders like Milwaukee is not what contenders do more than once or twice a season.

Do you really think we are a contender for a championship?

We are building a franchise first, contenders come later.

Thanks!

[Sticksboi05]

What do you know about the 25 years of Bullets/Wizards basketball prior to E Jordan?

Thanks!

I never said I was an NBA genius did I. I do not talk as if I know about Earl the Pearl and Elvin
Hayes, Chenier, Unseld etc. My point was that you do not have more knowledge of a sport because you are older than someone. It is because you watched it and made it part of your life those 2 and a half decades. A 40 year old who's been a fan of the Packers his whole life probably doesn't know as much about the Redskins as a 25 year old who's been a Skins fan his whole life.

[mad4comp]

Remember how good our Offense was last year (with a healthy Gil)? Combine that with our D of this year (not great, but we can actually play D now) and you're looking at a title contender.

I'm not gonna argue that having Gil back will make us a little better. But the fact is, with EJ as the coach of this team, this team will never become that Tier 1 type team.

[chipwhich]

I'm not gonna argue that having Gil back will make us a little better. But the fact is, with EJ as the coach of this team, this team will never become that Tier 1 type team.

How about in the NBA it's all about having the best players?????

You don't win NBA championships without NBA all stars. We are just getting there. Don't hate on what we have accomplished since MJ left. MJ made Pollin care about being competitive.

[mad4comp]

Do you really think we are a contender for a championship?


No. Which is why we are still mediocre. Going on four years now.


We are building a franchise first, contenders come later.

Thanks!

Building a franchise requires you to progress from year to year. The Wizards are stagnating.

[chipwhich]

I never said I was an NBA genius did I. I do not talk as if I know about Earl the Pearl and Elvin
Hayes, Chenier, Unseld etc. My point was that you do not have more knowledge of a sport because you are older than someone. It is because you watched it and made it part of your life those 2 and a half decades. A 40 year old who's been a fan of the Packers his whole life probably doesn't know as much about the Redskins as a 25 year old who's been a Skins fan his whole life.

The point is, when you have a franchise in the toilet for 25 years, don't look a gift horse in the mouth when they are actually building a contender. Once you understand that we will all be ok!

[chipwhich]

No. Which is why we are still mediocre. Going on four years now.



Building a franchise requires you to progress from year to year. The Wizards are stagnating.

It's hard to progress when your best player goes down.

Talk to me in the playoffs, I expect an apology. :D

[mad4comp]

How about in the NBA it's all about having the best players?????

You don't win NBA championships without NBA all stars. We are just getting there. Don't hate on what we have accomplished since MJ left. MJ made Pollin care about being competitive.

What are you talking about? 2004/2005 we had 3 all-star caliber players in Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison. How far did we get then? Then we came back with Caron, Arenas, and Jamison, who were an even better threesome than the previous year, how did we fare that year?

[mad4comp]

It's hard to progress when your best player goes down.

Talk to me in the playoffs, I expect an apology. :D

Question is, will you be around when the Wizards lose in the first/second round yet again?

[Warhead36]

Lets fire Eddie Jordan.

Now who do we get to replace him?

Please don't say Larry Brown either.

[Sticksboi05]

The point is, when you have a franchise in the toilet for 25 years, don't look a gift horse in the mouth when they are actually building a contender. Once you understand that we will all be ok!

..we've had 3 all stars on our team since 2004-2005....

Not many teams have that pleasure. We have a good supporting cast. We can be a contender NOW if we'd just play defense consistently. The numbers are vastly improved but we aren't "THERE" yet.


Btw, where in this thread did I say Eddie Jordan was the reason we weren't going anywhere.....find it for me please...ask mad4comp we've had alot of arguments about EJ and I've taken EJ's side....

[mad4comp]

Lets fire Eddie Jordan.

Now who do we get to replace him?

Please don't say Larry Brown either.

My personal choice right now?

Randy Ayers.

[chipwhich]

What are you talking about? 2004/2005 we had 3 all-star caliber players in Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison. How far did we get then? Then we came back with Caron, Arenas, and Jamison, who were an even better threesome than the previous year, how did we fare that year?

You missed the point about building a franchise. When you have been a loser for 25 YEARS you don't win a championship overnight!

[chipwhich]

..we've had 3 all stars on our team since 2004-2005....

Not many teams have that pleasure. We have a good supporting cast. We can be a contender NOW if we'd just play defense consistently. The numbers are vastly improved but we aren't "THERE" yet.


Btw, where in this thread did I say Eddie Jordan was the reason we weren't going anywhere.....find it for me please...ask mad4comp we've had alot of arguments about EJ and I've taken EJ's side....

Look at the last 10 championships.

When did our team who was in the toilet for 25 years have an all star roster like the last 10 champions.

You young guys forget history...you don't build a champion in the NBA overnight. You have to have the best of the best all stars. We don't. You should be thankful for our turnaround.

[skinfan2k]

What are you talking about? 2004/2005 we had 3 all-star caliber players in Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison. How far did we get then? Then we came back with Caron, Arenas, and Jamison, who were an even better threesome than the previous year, how did we fare that year?

You dont win a title unless you have a HOF player. The last team that actually that didnt have one was the pistons that beat the lakers in what 03?

[mad4comp]

You missed the point about building a franchise. When you have been a loser for 25 YEARS you don't win a championship overnight!

No I'm pretty sure I didn't miss your point.

You said: "You don't win NBA championships without NBA all stars. We are just getting there."

I said: "What are you talking about? 2004/2005 we had 3 all-star caliber players in Arenas, Hughes, and Jamison. How far did we get then? Then we came back with Caron, Arenas, and Jamison, who were an even better threesome than the previous year, how did we fare that year?"

Looks like you're confused.

[mad4comp]

You dont win a title unless you have a HOF player. The last team that actually that didnt have one was the pistons that beat the lakers in what 03?

That's a totally different statement than what he made.

I'd agree with you on this one.

[chipwhich]

That's a totally different statement than what he made.

I'd agree with you on this one.

Dude stop playing word games and admit you don't win NBA championships without a superstar.

We were in the toilet for 25 years and you complain about 4.

Talk to me in the playoffs and tell me you are sorry.

:cheers:

[mad4comp]

Dude stop playing word games and admit you don't win NBA championships without a superstar.

We were in the toilet for 25 years and you complain about 4.


How am I playing word games? It's you thats making random statements with no proof, such as your "You don't win NBA championships without NBA all stars. We are just getting there." Stick to one statement, you seem to be confusing yourself.


Talk to me in the playoffs and tell me you are sorry.

:cheers:

That's like the third time you've said that, maybe I should say this after every response I make to your posts:

"Question is will you be around when the Wiz get bounced out of the playoffs in the 1st/2nd round yet again?"

:cheers:

[chipwhich]

How am I playing word games? It's you thats making random statements with no proof, such as your "You don't win NBA championships without NBA all stars. We are just getting there." Stick to one statement, you seem to be confusing yourself.



That's like the third time you've said that, maybe I should say this after every response I make to your posts:

"Question is will you be around when the Wiz get bounced out of the playoffs in the 1st/2nd round yet again?"

:cheers:

I will be here. You never got to watch the bullets with Wes Unseld as coach so you don't know what bad coaching is. Oh wait, or was it bad players? Hmmmmm.

See you in the playoffs!

:cheers:

[mad4comp]

I will be here. You never got to watch the bullets with Wes Unseld as coach so you don't know what bad coaching is. Oh wait, or was it bad players? Hmmmmm.

See you in the playoffs!

:cheers:

Making dumb ASSumptions I see. How do you know I didnt watch the Bullets of the early/mid 90's?


Will you be around when the Wiz get bounced out of the playoffs in the 1st/2nd round yet again?"
:cheers:

[joony11]

Dude stop playing word games and admit you don't win NBA championships without a superstar.

We were in the toilet for 25 years and you complain about 4.

Talk to me in the playoffs and tell me you are sorry.

:cheers:

Wow I've never seen someone parade around about the length of his fanhood so much before. I may only be 20, but I know someone who needs a life when I see one, and sir, you are one. Please don't be too upset, but I have to agree that it's sad when you use your age to prove a point. If anything, age should be a marker of maturity in dealing with such situations. I don't think apologies are coming with the way you've been attacking mad4comp.

The Wiz/Bullets may have been bad for a long time and I haven't been around for quite a bit of it, but it doesn't change that Eddie Jordan hasn't done that much. I would put the credit in EG's hands for putting together a team the way he has. The thing is, when the Wizards win, I don't feel the satisfaction of having won convincingly as often as I feel we should given our record. Until that happens, I will still be uneasy about this franchise. Nevertheless, I am still just as much of a fan of the team as anyone else is. Word.

[Sticksboi05]

Look at the last 10 championships.

When did our team who was in the toilet for 25 years have an all star roster like the last 10 champions.

You young guys forget history...you don't build a champion in the NBA overnight. You have to have the best of the best all stars. We don't. You should be thankful for our turnaround.

I do not expect them to become a championship team overnight but I expect steps to be made every season.

I think as Redskins fans we know what building and rebuilding and rebuilding is.

I don't know how I got into this argument about cahmpionships. My first post here had nothing to do with Eddie Jordan or the state of the Wizards in the first place..

[chipwhich]

Wow I've never seen someone parade around about the length of his fanhood so much before. I may only be 20, but I know someone who needs a life when I see one, and sir, you are one. Please don't be too upset, but I have to agree that it's sad when you use your age to prove a point. If anything, age should be a marker of maturity in dealing with such situations. I don't think apologies are coming with the way you've been attacking mad4comp.

The Wiz/Bullets may have been bad for a long time and I haven't been around for quite a bit of it, but it doesn't change that Eddie Jordan hasn't done that much. I would put the credit in EG's hands for putting together a team the way he has. The thing is, when the Wizards win, I don't feel the satisfaction of having won convincingly as often as I feel we should given our record. Until that happens, I will still be uneasy about this franchise. Nevertheless, I am still just as much of a fan of the team as anyone else is. Word.

Are you kidding me. Eddie Jordan has the best record of any coach in 25 YEARS as a wizard/bullet. Age doesn't have to open your eyes to that.

You guys need to get a lil history of the franchise before you dog out Jordan.

Even Michael Jordan couldn't let us sniff the championship.

It's not about age it's about reality. See it.

[chipwhich]

I do not expect them to become a championship team overnight but I expect steps to be made every season.

I think as Redskins fans we know what building and rebuilding and rebuilding is.

I don't know how I got into this argument about cahmpionships. My first post here had nothing to do with Eddie Jordan or the state of the Wizards in the first place..

So it has been 4 years, what steps do you want?? Be real.

[Sticksboi05]

So it has been 4 years, what steps do you want?? Be real.

Consistently putting away bottom feeder teams would be nice...

[chipwhich]

Consistently putting away bottom feeder teams would be nice...

25 years in the toilet is 1/3 of your life expectancy. Thats real numbers. We have been an awful franchise for 25 years.

I am thrilled to see us competitive.

Once you experience 1/3 of your life expectancy with an awful franchise you will understand a team in 12th place in all of the NBA without your best player is pretty impressive. We aren't the lakers or the celtics. We are the wizards. We don't have Shaq, Kobe. We have the next best thing. Enjoy it.

[GOSKINS_08]

Ah, mad4comp never dissapoints with his threads..I was waiting for this thread to pop up..I knew it wouldnt be when we beat the celtics in back to back games..I knew it was going to be when we lost to a team we should beat..Good to see mad4comp hasn't changed anything.

[Sticksboi05]

Ah, mad4comp never dissapoints with his threads..I was waiting for this thread to pop up..I knew it wouldnt be when we beat the celtics in back to back games..I knew it was going to be when we lost to a team we should beat..Good to see mad4comp hasn't changed anything.

Dude stop. mad4comp has never liked Eddie Jordan whether we win or lose...

I'm pretty sure he was on EJ even when we beat the C's twice in a row like he has been the last 4 seasons no matter if we win or lose.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I'm gonna have to go with Tim Legler and his opinion that Jordan is coach of the year over Mad4comp's certified and well-established hater bull****. Mad need a hug? Awwwww.

[degreez3deep]

Phoenix lost to the Timberwolves twice this season
Good teams sometimes lose against sorry teams
It doesnt mean the season is over
Get a grip guys please
82 game season

[GOSKINS_08]

Dude stop. mad4comp has never liked Eddie Jordan whether we win or lose...

I'm pretty sure he was on EJ even when we beat the C's twice in a row like he has been the last 4 seasons no matter if we win or lose.

My point is he waited to start the thread when we lost to a bad team..So whats that tell you? It tells me that if he started it when we beat the celtics 2 times, he would look like a bigger fool..Just sayin.

[Sticksboi05]

My point is he waited to start the thread when we lost to a bad team..So whats that tell you? It tells me that if he started it when we beat the celtics 2 times, he would look like a bigger fool..Just sayin.

But his point is we are a 1st or 2nd round exit. Not that we can't have good games in the regular season.

[GOSKINS_08]

But his point is we are a 1st or 2nd round exit. Not that we can't have good games in the regular season.

Ok, but im just talking about when he made the thread..We'll find out whos right and wrong when the Playoffs come..Until then we will see mad4comp say "rofl EJ is an idiot" or "LOL How is EJ still a coach" when we lose or come close to losing to bad teams, and when we beat the good teams he will fail to post anything, or he will say its Randy Ayers who won us the game.

[abdcskins]

I just want to say that I thought we had that win yesterday when we were up 4 with the ball in OT, too bad. I was watching the Maryland/ Duke game(****ty loss) but did manage to see the last minute of regulation and overtime, and jesus what a comeback and almost win. Freaking Mo Williams.....Caron Butler for president.


Eddie Jordan is a good coach.

[mad4comp]

I'm gonna have to go with Tim Legler and his opinion that Jordan is coach of the year over Mad4comp's certified and well-established hater bull****. Mad need a hug? Awwwww.

can't handle the truth? Need a hug buddy?

[TheItalianStallion]

How are we going to be a title contender when we have trouble beating teams like Milwaukee? And in case you missed it we were destroyed by the Cavs the other night. As long as Eddie Jordan is here this team will not advance past the first round. Some of you may be okay with just getting to the playoffs but I am not.
You didn't read my post very carefully. I said "combine LAST YEARS' offense with this years' D." Hell, we were the #1 seed in the East until the injuries piled up and screwed up the teams' chemistry, and that was with LAST YEARS' (atrocious) Defense. Combine the offense that got us the #1 seed at the all-star break of last year with the decent D and improved depth of this year and you're looking at a very good team.

[mad4comp]

You didn't read my post very carefully. I said "combine LAST YEARS' offense with this years' D." Hell, we were the #1 seed in the East until the injuries piled up and screwed up the teams' chemistry, and that was with LAST YEARS' (atrocious) Defense. Combine the offense that got us the #1 seed at the all-star break of last year with the decent D and improved depth of this year and you're looking at a very good team.

Read Stickboi's post (on the first page I think) about how we descended into mediocrity even before the injuries piled on.

[mad4comp]

Phoenix lost to the Timberwolves twice this season
Good teams sometimes lose against sorry teams
It doesnt mean the season is over
Get a grip guys please
82 game season

Thats fine. But my gripe is with EJ and his coaching antics (not W/L's).

Playing D-Song over Blatche and Haywood for an extended amount of time? And he got owned by Ruffin...LOL

[mad4comp]

My point is he waited to start the thread when we lost to a bad team..So whats that tell you? It tells me that if he started it when we beat the celtics 2 times, he would look like a bigger fool..Just sayin.

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't last for long, seeing as how we turned around and lost to the hapless knicks not long afterwards.

[mad4comp]

Ok, but im just talking about when he made the thread..We'll find out whos right and wrong when the Playoffs come..Until then we will see mad4comp say "rofl EJ is an idiot" or "LOL How is EJ still a coach" when we lose or come close to losing to bad teams, and when we beat the good teams he will fail to post anything, or he will say its Randy Ayers who won us the game.

Didn't you say that last year? You know, when I made that thread about EJ being a terrible coach.....How'd that turn out for you?

And the part about not posting anything when we win.....Yea I'm pretty sure when we were on a 7 game winning streak or something like that last year, I posted after every single game. Pulling out random crap out of your *** yet again I see.

[GOSKINS_08]

You give Randy Ayers alot of credit for our wins, why dont you give him any blame for our losses mad?

[GOSKINS_08]

Didn't you say that last year? You know, when I made that thread about EJ being a terrible coach.....How'd that turn out for you?



You're not a fool are you? We lost Caron and Gilbert, and did you expect us to beat the cavs in the Playoffs without them 2?

[mad4comp]

You're not a fool are you? We lost Caron and Gilbert, and did you expect us to beat the cavs in the Playoffs without them 2?

Yea and I remember saying "The way EJ is playing our big 3, every season one or more of them are bound to get hurt." Guess what happened?

And also, where did I say we would have won in the playoffs without them?

[mad4comp]

You give Randy Ayers alot of credit for our wins, why dont you give him any blame for our losses mad?

Where exactly did I get Randy Ayers "alot of credit for our wins?"

See the thing is, we play defense (most of the time), but our offense is still terrible after 4 years. Where are the backdoor cuts, the ball movement? We don't do that consistently after 4 years of pretty much the same players on this team. All I see is a simple(retarded) weave up top, then Jamison or Caron just pull up and launch a contested jumper. There is no discipline on the offensive side of the ball. Whose to blame for that? EJ.

[TheItalianStallion]

First off, he has disliked EJ even when we were winning. He isn't a two face so I'll give him that. Second the team feel apart well before those injuries. We went from above average (not great) to average and even below before Butler and Arenas went out...

The only person who needs to shutup is YOU for lack of information. We could've won this game and 10 more and he'd still say we won't win a ring with EJ. I'm not saying I agree but he does not change his views based on wins.
No, the team started its downward spiral when JAMISON got hurt (they were the best in the east when he went down). The they struggled. When they got him back, they had lost their chemistry from the pre-Jamison-injury games. Then Butler and Arenas got hurt, which made them mediocre at best.

[TheItalianStallion]

Read Stickboi's post (on the first page I think) about how we descended into mediocrity even before the injuries piled on.
Our descent began when JAMISON got hurt. The chemistry & swagger they had was lost after that point, even when Jamison came back. Shortly afterward, Arenas & Butler got hurt, making us mediocre at best.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

I don't know why you all are wasting your time. Just ignore the ****er. He ain't **** but a hater. It's well-documented. He, among others (they know who they are. I will put them on blast if I have to), have been ghost all ****ing season. Wonder why. Wait for a bad-loss and come with their bull****. They wait for the Wizards to falter so they can get their hard-ons about how "right" they are. Tell them to eat a dick and move on. They aren't worth the time.

Now watch them report me for this and I get banned. They did it before. Cause I hurt their feelings. Little annoying, unknowledgeable ****s.

[mad4comp]

I don't know why you all are wasting your time. Just ignore the ****er. He ain't **** but a hater. It's well-documented. He, among others (they know who they are. I will put them on blast if I have to), have been ghost all ****ing season. Wonder why. Wait for a bad-loss and come with their bull****. They wait for the Wizards to falter so they can get their hard-ons about how "right" they are. Tell them to eat a dick and move on. They aren't worth the time.

Now watch them report me for this and I get banned. They did it before. Cause I hurt their feelings. Little annoying, unknowledgeable ****s.

Oh yea, look at how knowledgeable your post is...
name calling and cursing is a sign of frustration and obvious lack of knowledge.

[chipwhich]

Oh yea, look at how knowledgeable your post is...
name calling and cursing is a sign of frustration and obvious lack of knowledge.

Guess you preferred Doug Collins. :notworthy

[mad4comp]

Guess you preferred Doug Collins. :notworthy

okay?

[mad4comp]

Now watch them report me for this and I get banned. They did it before. Cause I hurt their feelings. Little annoying, unknowledgeable ****s.

who is this "they" you speak of? No one reports posts to the moderators....frankly I could care less if you wanna spout off like a jack***, you're only making yourself look like an idiot.

[chipwhich]

okay?

I guess you would have kept Collins as coach.

[mad4comp]

I guess you would have kept Collins as coach.

Oh yea, based on what? The overwhelming support I gave him in this thread?

lemme guess, you just like making random statements and then putting an emoticon at the end of it to make it seem like you've won a battle on the internets.

[chipwhich]

Oh yea, based on what? The overwhelming support I gave him in this thread?

lemme guess, you just like making random statements and then putting an emoticon at the end of it to make it seem like you've won a battle on the internets.

Not random, you are whining about Jordan, I just guessed you liked Collins?

[mad4comp]

Not random, you are whining about Jordan, I just guessed you liked Collins?

How did you get that I liked Collins from my hatred of EJ? Read the whole thread, I said I preferred Randy Ayers.

[redskinsfan85]

Dude you stated you want Randy Ayers for coach. I mean seriously...Randy Ayers? WTF has he done? Our D still isn't great. We let the Cavs score 121 points and you want him as coach? We just let the bucks score 100+ points w/out REDD.

You want him?

And once we we lose a few games with Ayers as head coach we were 'supposed' to win you'd want him out as well. You'll never be satisfied...it's just a mentality you're stuck with. What you need to satisfy yourself is a Lebron James/Kobe/Duncan type player. Guess what? They aren't grown on trees. You can't just find a player of that caliber. The closest we have is Arenas and he's done some amazing things for this franchise. Second round of the playoffs. Lost to the heat who won the title that year. Nearly beat the Cavs. Yeah looks like it's eddies fault we lost. How did other teams lose to the heat? Because of EJ?

I'm not the biggest fan of EJ and I HATE when he plays Songolia more than a minute but to just look at his mistakes and never give him credit for actually doing something right is pretty contradictory. Yeah he makes mistakes. Yeah he's not the best coach. But look at the players we have. He's done a pretty good job with what he's had. And dont spout off about all-stars. They're not perennial all stars. Jamisons made it one time. Carons made it one time. Larry never made it and don't say he would have it he wasn't injured. Look at him now. Dude only played because he wanted to get paid. Just because they made it once doesn't mean he's got the best players.

Arenas is the only legit superstar we have but he's not playing now. He nearly beat the Cavs and Lebron James 2 years ago. We should have won but that's history now. He is a notch below kobe/duncan/james but he's shown he's capable of beating them on any given night.

Let's see what eddies done.

1st year - we sucked. you could blame him but what about KFB? Or Gilbert being injured?
2nd year - beat the bulls and went to the second round. check out our roster...you'll be surprised we even made the playoffs.
3rd year - 1st round and lost 4-2. should have won if Arenas made that FT or Lebron actually got called for traveling.
4th year - 1st round and scared the **** out of the Cavs WITHOUT Arenas and Butler. Even though we got swept we put up a valient effort and that's because EJ didn't give up. He still motivated them enough to keep it close. We would have easily won with Butler and Arenas. But in the end talent trumps effort 9 out of 10 times.

So a recap. Blame him for the 1st year. Blame him for the 2nd year sweep to the Heat. But how are you going to blame him for Arenas missing the FT? Or Lebron not being called on the travel? How about blaming him for missing two of our most important players last year?

It's a team game. Take away Duncan and Popowich ain't ****. Take away Jordan/Kobe/Shaq and Phil Jackson ain't ****. Players make the coaches. Arenas has the skill + with Caron doing some great things our future looks great. They'll make EJ look great in a couple of years. Guarentee it.

[The End]

Watch him finish in the top 5 for Coach of the year then ask this question again. Dummy!

[hands11]

What do you know about the 25 years of Bullets/Wizards basketball prior to E Jordan?

Thanks!

Hey Chip

Mad is well aware of the Bullets/Wizards history and he knows exactly what he is saying. He may be younger then you but he knows what he is talking about and he is a vet poster here.

I actually went round and round with him about the same topic about 2 or 3 years ago. I know what your saying but he knows what he is saying also.

He doesn't change his mind with the tide as we go on small run or dips, he is looking at the big picture and the results support his view. Sure what we have is better then had, but is really because of EJ. And just because what you have is better that doesn't mean it cant be better still.

EJ is not a difference maker ( in a positive way) and is mostly riding EGs coat tails. Sure he is a nice guy and he has slowly gotten a little better each year as a game time coach. For example, he added knowing when to call a time out to his coaching this year.

Sure it is nice to have a consistent coach that isn't Wes. But it is also nice to have a GM that isnt Wes. See the connection. We sucked all those years when Wes was in charge, except a few yearz when we had a little Irish man as a coach and Nash was the GM, then Wes tore that apart.

You think things have been good since EJ got here, well he showed up when EG showed up. And GA showed up. Then AJ, Then CB and Kwame left. Maybe it was the talent more then the coach. And don't give me this EJ made GA better. EJ having no control over GA has a lot do with GA going down the wrong path in my book. I used to think GA was a great kid, now I think he is a egomaniac. Also, GA is driven all by himself, so is CB and so is AJ. You have 3 All Stars here most the time but at any given time we usually have at least 2. We should be at least 500 based on that alone. Add to that EJ rides them into the ground with league leading minutes and I sure hope we are at least 500. But that is also likely to be a good reason they don't last the season. Hell, AJ used to be an iron man before he game here. EJ did a terrible job monitoring his minutes when he returned from injury 3 years ago as he had done with numerous players and again this year with GA.

The most improvement that has been made to AJs game recently came because we added a D coach. Haywoods improvement because we added a shooting coach. The same shooting coach that worked with CB, and GA since he was a kid.

The true test is answering this question is, what is EJs +/- on a season. By this I mean, how many net games can you say his strategy implemented, time outs, starting line up, and rotations cause us a win or loss.

Sure it takes great talent to win in this league but it also takes great coaching to go deep in the playoffs and hopefully win it all. A coach should be a difference maker on the margin. By that I mean you want to coach at a minimum that doesn't get in the way. Ideally you want someone who maximizes the talent by doing the above mentioned things to help generate a win. Sure no one will be perfect at doing this but it should be recognizable that they get it right more then wrong.

Hell, I just read an interview where EJ said he was about to pull his starters in the MIL game before the come back. WHY? To save them 2 minutes. You never pull your best players when the game is still in reach as was seen.

This is were some people take issue with EJ. We have to talent to win if he just doesn't get in the way. We even have enough talent to win in spite of him one some night. The MIL game is a good example. So close but it shouldn't have ever come to that if he didn't play Songaila so much along with other moves he should have made.

This team has talent and EG can get any coach in the league to come coach this group. This isn't the Bullet/Wizards of 6 years ago who could only get G Heard to coach here. EG put together some talent and the franchise is respectable now threw his leadership.

Some of us just wonder what we could do with a great coach. EJ is a nice guy but he isn't a great HC. He is what he is, an assistant coach trying to learn to be a HC.

[chipwhich]

Some of us just wonder what we could do with a great coach. EJ is a nice guy but he isn't a great HC. He is what he is, an assistant coach trying to learn to be a HC.

Nice post with one exception. This is an Abe Pollin franchise. In case you choose to ignore history, Pollin until recently ran operations with people he "liked". He constantly got rid of players on the Wizards/Caps and constantly fielded teams that had little chance of a championship.

Had the whole jordan episode/fiasco not occurred, this team would still be in the dumps. The embarassment Pollin felt caused him to finally bring in a real GM.

We were one of the absolute laughing stocks of the NBA. Now you complain in 4 years Eddie Jordan isn't getting it done?

You two can ignore history if you like. Pollins history is just when it's starting to get good, he trades a couple stars for retreads. Typical Pollin right about now would trade Gilbert, trade Caron. Then after Eddie Jordan has a bad year, he puts a guy like Wes Unseld, or one of his friends in the coaches box.

You have to establish a baseline of winning, which we are doing, keep your star players and build a supporting cast, which we are doing, and then we can figure out if it's coaching or the players that need tweaking. We aren't out of Pollin-land yet, lets become a winning franchise for more than minute and then we complain we need a better coach.

or....lets put Pollin back in charge.

[Winslowalrob]

Dude you stated you want Randy Ayers for coach. I mean seriously...Randy Ayers? WTF has he done? Our D still isn't great. We let the Cavs score 121 points and you want him as coach? We just let the bucks score 100+ points w/out REDD.

You want him?

And once we we lose a few games with Ayers as head coach we were 'supposed' to win you'd want him out as well. You'll never be satisfied...it's just a mentality you're stuck with. What you need to satisfy yourself is a Lebron James/Kobe/Duncan type player. Guess what? They aren't grown on trees. You can't just find a player of that caliber. The closest we have is Arenas and he's done some amazing things for this franchise. Second round of the playoffs. Lost to the heat who won the title that year. Nearly beat the Cavs. Yeah looks like it's eddies fault we lost. How did other teams lose to the heat? Because of EJ?

I'm not the biggest fan of EJ and I HATE when he plays Songolia more than a minute but to just look at his mistakes and never give him credit for actually doing something right is pretty contradictory. Yeah he makes mistakes. Yeah he's not the best coach. But look at the players we have. He's done a pretty good job with what he's had. And dont spout off about all-stars. They're not perennial all stars. Jamisons made it one time. Carons made it one time. Larry never made it and don't say he would have it he wasn't injured. Look at him now. Dude only played because he wanted to get paid. Just because they made it once doesn't mean he's got the best players.

Arenas is the only legit superstar we have but he's not playing now. He nearly beat the Cavs and Lebron James 2 years ago. We should have won but that's history now. He is a notch below kobe/duncan/james but he's shown he's capable of beating them on any given night.

Let's see what eddies done.

1st year - we sucked. you could blame him but what about KFB? Or Gilbert being injured?
2nd year - beat the bulls and went to the second round. check out our roster...you'll be surprised we even made the playoffs.
3rd year - 1st round and lost 4-2. should have won if Arenas made that FT or Lebron actually got called for traveling.
4th year - 1st round and scared the **** out of the Cavs WITHOUT Arenas and Butler. Even though we got swept we put up a valient effort and that's because EJ didn't give up. He still motivated them enough to keep it close. We would have easily won with Butler and Arenas. But in the end talent trumps effort 9 out of 10 times.

So a recap. Blame him for the 1st year. Blame him for the 2nd year sweep to the Heat. But how are you going to blame him for Arenas missing the FT? Or Lebron not being called on the travel? How about blaming him for missing two of our most important players last year?

It's a team game. Take away Duncan and Popowich ain't ****. Take away Jordan/Kobe/Shaq and Phil Jackson ain't ****. Players make the coaches. Arenas has the skill + with Caron doing some great things our future looks great. They'll make EJ look great in a couple of years. Guarentee it.

Word, except I think that the Heat won during his third year rather than the Heat sweep.

It is VERY difficult to assess a coach in the NBA. A few years ago Byron Scott and Doc Rivers were beyond useless. All of a sudden, the Hornets are healthy and the Celtics have a Big Three and now Scott and Rivers are quality coaches... bizarre. There are ways to look at positive impact and negative impact. As far as I can tell, EJ has never really concentrated on defense nor set up an effective offense that will work regardless of personnel. Oh wait, no coach ever does the latter and damn few do the former. A good coach gives good players a lot of PT. Even with the Etan debacle over the past few years, EJ has had the wisdom to give most of his good players lots of PT. A great coach crafts a system suited to his players strengths, makes good adjustments, and is an expert at juggling PT. EJ is most def not in this category, but not many coaches are. Furthermore, to win a CHAMPIONSHIP, you need the right team setup. Perhaps with Brendan and a healthy Arenas we might actually have all the pieces, but keep in mind that all you need is a good coach, a great team, and some luck to win the whole dang thing. A great coach is nice, but the talent on your team dictates just how good of a coach you can be. In the NBA, there are teams that simply cannot win it all, that do not have the horses necessary to do so, and that no matter how much talent a coach can draw out of his team in the end it will not matter. As such, that leaves the passionate fan with two options: either the team is of championship-caliber but the coach screws things up (Pistons?) or the team is not of championship-caliber and the coach does not really make all that much difference. I am in the latter camp, because I do not think that any coach could get these guys to the top as this team is constructed RIGHT NOW. However, there are a lot of coaches out there that are not good coaches that would squander our talent and not even take us to the playoffs. I have to give credit for EJ being a good coach at least. It is surprising just how much better of a coach you are when you have a lot of talent at your disposal, and the opposite also holds true.

[Mr. Grundle]

Word, except I think that the Heat won during his third year rather than the Heat sweep.

It is VERY difficult to assess a coach in the NBA. A few years ago Byron Scott and Doc Rivers were beyond useless. All of a sudden, the Hornets are healthy and the Celtics have a Big Three and now Scott and Rivers are quality coaches... bizarre. There are ways to look at positive impact and negative impact. As far as I can tell, EJ has never really concentrated on defense nor set up an effective offense that will work regardless of personnel. Oh wait, no coach ever does the latter and damn few do the former. A good coach gives good players a lot of PT. Even with the Etan debacle over the past few years, EJ has had the wisdom to give most of his good players lots of PT. A great coach crafts a system suited to his players strengths, makes good adjustments, and is an expert at juggling PT. EJ is most def not in this category, but not many coaches are. Furthermore, to win a CHAMPIONSHIP, you need the right team setup. Perhaps with Brendan and a healthy Arenas we might actually have all the pieces, but keep in mind that all you need is a good coach, a great team, and some luck to win the whole dang thing. A great coach is nice, but the talent on your team dictates just how good of a coach you can be. In the NBA, there are teams that simply cannot win it all, that do not have the horses necessary to do so, and that no matter how much talent a coach can draw out of his team in the end it will not matter. As such, that leaves the passionate fan with two options: either the team is of championship-caliber but the coach screws things up (Pistons?) or the team is not of championship-caliber and the coach does not really make all that much difference. I am in the latter camp, because I do not think that any coach could get these guys to the top as this team is constructed RIGHT NOW. However, there are a lot of coaches out there that are not good coaches that would squander our talent and not even take us to the playoffs. I have to give credit for EJ being a good coach at least. It is surprising just how much better of a coach you are when you have a lot of talent at your disposal, and the opposite also holds true.

Funny how alot of people assume their team has the talent to win an NBA championship, if only their ignorant coach would play the "correct" lineups. Did Pat Riley suddenly forget how to make substitutions? Did Larry Brown forget the secret lineup formula in that year off between coaching the Pistons and the Knicks?

It's talent, talent, talent, folks. Specifically, BIG talent. Lets see what some of the recent NBA champions have in common:

07 - San Antonio (Duncan)
06 - Miami - (Shaq)
05 - San Antonio (Duncan)
04 - Detroit (Wallace/Wallace)
03 - San Antonio (Duncan)
02 - LAL - (Shaq)
01 - LAL - (Shaq)
00 - LAL - (Shaq)
99 - San Antonio (Duncan)

If the last 20 years is any indication, unless you have All-Star bigs or Michael Jordan, you ain't winning a title. Haywood ain't gonna cut it.

We missed our chance at getting that franchise big when we won the lotto on the year of Kwame Brown. We probably are a first or second round playoff exit team, but it's not the coaches fault. It's all about the luck of landing a HOF'er.

[RedskinsNation]

Im not saying that EJ is the Red Aurebach of coaching or anything but talent wise this team is not an elite team....changing the coach wouldnt = making the NBA Finals in my opinion....whomever the best coach in the NBA is these days could come coach the Wizards and we still would be where were at.

The thing is this team has grown so much and we just havent been able to see the complete product cuz Arenas and Butler were injured at the most important time last year and now they are both out yet again albeit Butler will be day to day.

I really dont know how good this team can be cuz its one injury after another and im not talking about 9th man off the bench injury either.

Dont mind me im just venting.

What current coach would turn this perennial playoff team into a NBA Finals contender?

[Fletch_Lives59]

Eddie is the best coach we ever had, better then Motta and 50 times better the Collins. The game last night was amazing, especially since we beat a team with a better record the us and we didn't have CB or GA...leave em be, he's doing great

It's the trades that screwed us before Eddie came here...

[WizSkinsO's]

I'm sure a bad coach would have been able to win that game last night.

You're a dumbass, comp, as are any of the other Jordan haters.

[mad4comp]

I'm sure a bad coach would have been able to win that game last night.

You're a dumbass, comp, as are any of the other Jordan haters.

k dumbass.

P.S If I were you, I'd wait till the Wizards have an all around good game to make this post. Last nights game wasn't one of EJ's shining moments as a coach.

[triple6mafia]

EJ sucks. I've always said it and I'm gonna stick to it. mad4comp, i agree. if you follow the wizards, i dont think its much of his coaching style, but more of the players. also, we still haven't made it out of the first round yet. stuck in the same position every year; in the playoffs cause the east is weak, but not a championship team.

[mad4comp]

Watch him finish in the top 5 for Coach of the year then ask this question again. Dummy!

Either you're the coach of the year or you're not, does a 2nd place finish for coach of the year net you anything? Didn't think so. And with the way things are going right now, Byron Scott is running away with the honors.. Sorry :(

[mad4comp]

It's the trades that screwed us before Eddie came here...

So Ernie should get all the credit right?

[mad4comp]

Dude you stated you want Randy Ayers for coach. I mean seriously...Randy Ayers? WTF has he done? Our D still isn't great. We let the Cavs score 121 points and you want him as coach? We just let the bucks score 100+ points w/out REDD.

You want him?


He's done more with that defense in one year than EJ has in the four previous years. And since "Defense wins championships" I'd be willing to give Randy Ayers a shot. so yea....


And once we we lose a few games with Ayers as head coach we were 'supposed' to win you'd want him out as well. You'll never be satisfied...it's just a mentality you're stuck with.


I'd give him 5 years...you know, the same timetable this current loser of a coach got...


What you need to satisfy yourself is a Lebron James/Kobe/Duncan type player. Guess what? They aren't grown on trees. You can't just find a player of that caliber. The closest we have is Arenas and he's done some amazing things for this franchise. Second round of the playoffs. Lost to the heat who won the title that year. Nearly beat the Cavs. Yeah looks like it's eddies fault we lost. How did other teams lose to the heat? Because of EJ?


Instead of 1 exceptional player, we have 3 very good players....And the best EJ can muster out of that is a prompt 1st/2nd round exit?


I'm not the biggest fan of EJ and I HATE when he plays Songolia more than a minute but to just look at his mistakes and never give him credit for actually doing something right is pretty contradictory. Yeah he makes mistakes. Yeah he's not the best coach. But look at the players we have. He's done a pretty good job with what he's had.


Give him credit for what? For leading this team to a +.500 record with only 2 all-stars instead of 3? :rolleyes:


And dont spout off about all-stars. They're not perennial all stars. Jamisons made it one time. Carons made it one time. Larry never made it and don't say he would have it he wasn't injured. Look at him now. Dude only played because he wanted to get paid. Just because they made it once doesn't mean he's got the best players.


He put up numbers that would rival any other player at the time for a all-star spot. The fact of the matter is more people knew who Vince Carter was at the time than Larry Hughes. Its a popularity contest. But the numbers were there....I'd consider him an all-star caliber player. The same way I consider AJ an all-star this year, even if he doesn't make it.


Arenas is the only legit superstar we have but he's not playing now. He nearly beat the Cavs and Lebron James 2 years ago. We should have won but that's history now. He is a notch below kobe/duncan/james but he's shown he's capable of beating them on any given night.


A loss is a loss...nearly beating someone is like the Chicago Bears saying, "We nearly won the Superbowl." No one cares....you lost.


Let's see what eddies done.

1st year - we sucked. you could blame him but what about KFB? Or Gilbert being injured?
2nd year - beat the bulls and went to the second round. check out our roster...you'll be surprised we even made the playoffs.
3rd year - 1st round and lost 4-2. should have won if Arenas made that FT or Lebron actually got called for traveling.
4th year - 1st round and scared the **** out of the Cavs WITHOUT Arenas and Butler. Even though we got swept we put up a valient effort and that's because EJ didn't give up. He still motivated them enough to keep it close. We would have easily won with Butler and Arenas. But in the end talent trumps effort 9 out of 10 times.


So you're saying, hes had 4 years with nearly the same type of players, and the only thing he can claim is that he made it to the second round? F.A.I.L.U.R.E


So a recap. Blame him for the 1st year. Blame him for the 2nd year sweep to the Heat. But how are you going to blame him for Arenas missing the FT? Or Lebron not being called on the travel? How about blaming him for missing two of our most important players last year?


Yea I do blame him for missing two of our most important players....He had to play them 40+ minutes each just to barely notch a victory, in the end they broke down. Like they do every year, like Larry Hughes the year we got to the second round, Antawn and Gil the next year, and Caron and Gil the year after. Just look at last nights win, how many minutes did AJ play?


It's a team game. Take away Duncan and Popowich ain't ****. Take away Jordan/Kobe/Shaq and Phil Jackson ain't ****. Players make the coaches. Arenas has the skill + with Caron doing some great things our future looks great. They'll make EJ look great in a couple of years. Guarentee it.

I consider it more like a mutual relationship. Coaches help players, players help coaches.

[GOSKINS_08]

So Ernie should get all the credit right?

I think you should.

[helster878]

the clinton/obama debate the other night was more humane than this! nicely done

[mad4comp]

Anyone watching the WIzards vs the Raps game?

ROFL, look at the lineup thats in there.

Daniels
Mason
Maguire
Songaila
Maguire

ahahhhaa......even Doug collins wouldnt play that lineup.

[Sticksboi05]

I must agree. And he waits till we are down by 20 to call a TO. That lineup was awful. Thank god AJ is back in.

[mad4comp]

I must agree. And he waits till we are down by 20 to call a TO. That lineup was awful. Thank god AJ is back in.

He puts the starters back in after we're down 20. Begs the question yet again...how is this guy still coaching in the NBA? Hes a joke.

[skinfan2k]

Anyone watching the WIzards vs the Raps game?

ROFL, look at the lineup thats in there.

Daniels
Mason
Maguire
Songaila
Maguire

ahahhhaa......even Doug collins wouldnt play that lineup.

what else u gonna do if bulter is not gonna play? You gonna play jamision for all game? :doh:

[mad4comp]

what else u gonna do if bulter is not gonna play? You gonna play jamision for all game? :doh:

So we don't have a fellow named nick young?

[GOSKINS_08]

So we don't have a fellow named nick young?

Young has been in.

Anyone watching the WIzards vs the Raps game?

ROFL, look at the lineup thats in there.

Daniels
Mason
Maguire
Songaila
Maguire

ahahhhaa......even Doug collins wouldnt play that lineup.

Brendan is in foul trouble, Jamison and Blatche do need to rest sometime..Unless of course you want to burn our starters out..Which is what you've been bitching EJ has done.

[mad4comp]

Young has been in.


Before or after the game was out of reach?


Brendan is in foul trouble, Jamison and Blatche do need to rest sometime..Unless of course you want to burn our starters out..Which is what you've been bitching EJ has done.

So you take them all out at the same time and come up with that atrocious lineup? How about rotating them in and out?

[GOSKINS_08]

Before or after the game was out of reach?



So you take them all out at the same time and come up with that atrocious lineup? How about rotating them in and out?

Young was in, in the 2nd quarter.

How was the lineup atrocious? Mason is hitting 3's, Mcguire had 9 rebounds last night, and is hustling, Daniels is our only PG really, so he has to be in..Btw- you had Mcguire on your lineup 2 times playing SF, and C at the same time lol..I didn't see that, but I know why you're upset if he has Mcguire playing 2 positions at the same time!!:laugh:

[mad4comp]

Young was in, in the 2nd quarter.


I'll ask yet again, before or after the game was out of reach? :rolleyes:



How was the lineup atrocious? Mason is hitting 3's, Mcguire had 9 rebounds last night, and is hustling, Daniels is our only PG really, so he has to be in..Btw- you had Mcguire on your lineup 2 times playing SF, and C at the same time lol..I didn't see that, but I know why you're upset if he has Mcguire playing 2 positions at the same time!!:laugh:

That lineup is terrible because no one on the floor can shoot besides mason. Secondly I thought I put Opec in there, I guess I deleted him name... Whatever, still a terrible lineup.

[mad4comp]

And simple pick and rolls still baffle this team 4 years running.

[GOSKINS_08]

And simple pick and rolls still baffle this team 4 years running.

Since Randy Ayers is responsible for our defensive improvment, is that Ayers fault as well?

I'll ask yet again, before or after the game was out of reach? :rolleyes:




That lineup is terrible because no one on the floor can shoot besides mason. Secondly I thought I put Opec in there, I guess I deleted him name... Whatever, still a terrible lineup.

LOL, or I guess I should say ROFL for you, I didn't write down the score and time Nick Young came in..Maybe next time I will.

[mad4comp]

Since Randy Ayers is responsible for our defensive improvment, is that Ayers fault as well?


Pretty much. But it seems like they're not willing to give up EJ's style of retarded defense just yet...



LOL, or I guess I should say ROFL for you, I didn't write down the score and time Nick Young came in..Maybe next time I will.

so why do you respond like you know **** LOL?

[GOSKINS_08]

Pretty much. But it seems like they're not willing to give up EJ's style of retarded defense just yet...




so why do you respond like you know **** LOL?

Ah, so its still EJ's fault, but its never his good job when we do good, got it!

Well I figure if I sound like I dont know ****, we'll both sound the same.:laugh:

Oops, I almost forgot ROFL.

[mad4comp]

Ah, so its still EJ's fault, but its never his good job when we do good, got it!

Well I figure if I sound like I dont know ****, we'll both sound the same.:laugh:

Oops, I almost forgot ROFL.

Well You're the one that admitted you didn't know when NY came in......I never said I didn't. Yet you respond like a smart***, but unfortunately you dont know :(.

[GOSKINS_08]

Well You're the one that admitted you didn't know when NY came in......I never said I didn't. Yet you respond like a smart***, but unfortunately you dont know :(.

Ok, well admit it now, do you know when Nick Young came in? After you admit you dont, will that be good?

[mad4comp]

Ok, well admit it now, do you know when Nick Young came in? After you admit you dont, will that be good?

He entered when the game was out of reach at 71-49. You were saying little one?

[GOSKINS_08]

He entered when the game was out of reach at 71-49. You were saying little one?

Im pretty sure you're wrong..I thought it was in the 2nd quarter..Or I could be wrong I guess..How do you know?

[mad4comp]

Im pretty sure you're wrong..I thought it was in the 2nd quarter..Or I could be wrong I guess..How do you know?

2nd quarter he came in when the score was 43-31 or something like that. Roger Mason JR hit a three to cut the lead to 4, then that atrocious lineup gave up liek 10 straight points. Then in comes NY, the savior....

I know because I'm watching EJ and NY closely, and am wondering why NY is in the Doghouse. In a game like this, when CB goes down, why not give NY burn earlier, allowing him to contribute?

:/

[GOSKINS_08]

2nd quarter he came in when the score was 43-31 or something like that. Roger Mason JR hit a three to cut the lead to 4, then that atrocious lineup gave up liek 10 straight points. Then in comes NY, the savior....

I know because I'm watching EJ and NY closely, and am wondering why NY is in the Doghouse. In a game like this, when CB goes down, why not give NY burn earlier, allowing him to contribute?

:/

So you just pretty much said you were wrong and I was right?

[mad4comp]

So you just pretty much said you were wrong and I was right?

You asked when Nick Young came in....I gave you both times...? Fact of the matter is, I know...you dont..

Mad > Goskins

[GOSKINS_08]

You asked when Nick Young came in....I gave you both times...? Fact of the matter is, I know...you dont..

Mad > Goskins

Ok, you know, good job..But I was right when I said it was in the 2nd quarter, you said it was when the score was 71-49, then you admit it was the 2nd quarter, which I said it was..So I was right when I said it was the 2nd quarter, we agree on that right? Then you even said it was, why did you post that it was when the score was 71-49, when it wasn't?

> < > <

Oh, im suppose to say im greater than you or something?

[hands11]

Nice post with one exception. This is an Abe Pollin franchise. In case you choose to ignore history, Pollin until recently ran operations with people he "liked". He constantly got rid of players on the Wizards/Caps and constantly fielded teams that had little chance of a championship.

Had the whole jordan episode/fiasco not occurred, this team would still be in the dumps. The embarassment Pollin felt caused him to finally bring in a real GM.

We were one of the absolute laughing stocks of the NBA. Now you complain in 4 years Eddie Jordan isn't getting it done?

You two can ignore history if you like. Pollins history is just when it's starting to get good, he trades a couple stars for retreads. Typical Pollin right about now would trade Gilbert, trade Caron. Then after Eddie Jordan has a bad year, he puts a guy like Wes Unseld, or one of his friends in the coaches box.

You have to establish a baseline of winning, which we are doing, keep your star players and build a supporting cast, which we are doing, and then we can figure out if it's coaching or the players that need tweaking. We aren't out of Pollin-land yet, lets become a winning franchise for more than minute and then we complain we need a better coach.

or....lets put Pollin back in charge.

We are seeing the same picture. I don't disagree with what you just said.

Unlike some posters, I think things started to turn around when MJ got here. He put us back on the map and cleared out the dead wood which set the table for EG.

THes the single factor that still worries me the most about this franchise is Abe. Abe is old and at some point we are going to have new ownership. How that happens and who owns this team will be a huge factor.

But also, right now, I think EG is mostly running the show. It's on the margin that is isnt that worries me. It's moves like extending EJ before the season was over that make me at least wonder was Abe involved.

I'm comfortable that this franchise will continue to improve as long as we have EG in charge and CB on the team. Second tier, I'm feeling like it would be real hard to loose AJ or Haywood at this point. I like the supporting cast, so there are lots of players there I wouldn't want to move yet. Basically, Im willing to move Songaila now and Etan after the season.`

I just don't feel like we couldn't survive loosing GA as long as we replaced him with another quality player. I was all for us going after Kobe for GA when that was on the table. Move a very good player for an proven great player.

Hopefully we get to see GA this year and hopefully he plays more like Chris Paul because that is what I believe we need at the PG. If not, I hope we move him to SG or let him walk and keep growing this team around CB and AJ.

[hands11]

Ol EJ at it again.

He started to lose the momentum and lead when he went to Songaila at center.

Songaila hasn't done anything since he has been in.

Then he can't recognize that Mason doesn't have it going. He does realize he has NY on his bench doesn't he?

His players are showing up for the challenge but he isn't giving them the best chance to win.

GA just announced a March 1 return. Surprise Surprise Surprise . That was may prediction. It's just tough being me sometimes. :)

[mad4comp]

Ol EJ at it again.

He started to lose the momentum and lead when he went to Songaila at center.

Songaila hasn't done anything since he has been in.

Then he can't recognize that Mason doesn't have it going. He does realize he has NY on his bench doesn't he?

His players are showing up for the challenge but he isn't giving them the best chance to win.

GA just announced a March 1 return. Surprise Surprise Surprise . That was may prediction. It's just tough being me sometimes. :)

Great first quarter.....does some tinkering at the end (songaila), then we lose all momentum and we lost the lead. Typical.

And I've been asking this all year....where the **** is NY? EJ get your head out of your *** loser and play the kid.

[hands11]

Still waiting.

DS batting .000%

Mason was ice cold.

Yet, no NY.

Baby KG is busting out huge tonight. AJ is on holding his own. Haywood and AB together is awesome. They just need a little help from the outside. Come on EJ. Put in NY.

Im holding my breath for this next rotation since we are getting around that time in the 3rd. Hopefully we dont see Songaila again. Id rather give OP a chance.

[Sticksboi05]

Songaila sucks!!!! Why was he in so long?!!

As soon as he came in we lost control of this game.

24-21....we better beat the Lakers or we are on a sharp downfall.

[hands11]

Nice post with one exception. This is an Abe Pollin franchise. In case you choose to ignore history, Pollin until recently ran operations with people he "liked". He constantly got rid of players on the Wizards/Caps and constantly fielded teams that had little chance of a championship.

Had the whole jordan episode/fiasco not occurred, this team would still be in the dumps. The embarassment Pollin felt caused him to finally bring in a real GM.

We were one of the absolute laughing stocks of the NBA. Now you complain in 4 years Eddie Jordan isn't getting it done?

You two can ignore history if you like. Pollins history is just when it's starting to get good, he trades a couple stars for retreads. Typical Pollin right about now would trade Gilbert, trade Caron. Then after Eddie Jordan has a bad year, he puts a guy like Wes Unseld, or one of his friends in the coaches box.

You have to establish a baseline of winning, which we are doing, keep your star players and build a supporting cast, which we are doing, and then we can figure out if it's coaching or the players that need tweaking. We aren't out of Pollin-land yet, lets become a winning franchise for more than minute and then we complain we need a better coach.

or....lets put Pollin back in charge.

I am well aware of how that played out and I do worry about Abe but I believe you are leaving out some details.

If something changes it would be EG leaving because of a disagreement regarding players and/or coaches. This would be similar to what happened with J Howard and Nash. Abe got in the way when Howard was on his way out because Howard felt Nash "dissed" him with a short contract right out of college. Actually I think Nash did the smart thing. Howard was much more unproven then Webber as a pro talent. When they couldn't agree on a long term deal, Nash gave him a few Million and said, show me then we will pay you. Howard was an ass for getting insulted. He had a good year and made it clear he didn't want to deal with Nash. Abe like an idiot fired him quality GM over a player and but his home grown VP/GM best buddy Wes in charge.

So instead of letting Howard leave, Abe got ride of Nash who did a good job putting together a team that should have been good for years. Then the whole things fell apart.

This is my biggest fear and the only thing I believe will make it different this time is that Abe is old and doesn't have to time to screw it up and then fix it again. EG has proven himself so hopefully they have a good relationship.

But this is the turning point where you get get yourself in trouble. This GA contract is a big deal. You have to get it right or you tie your hands for years to come. You don't want a S Franchise on your hands. Hopefully Abe has learned to get out of the way and let the GM do the GMing.

The way I see it there is Abe, GA and EJ and EG. The odds aren't good for EG so maybe he gives ground from what he may want. Well see. I would guess if it was just up to EG, EJ wouldn't have gotten that extension so early and he would treat GA objectively, looking to sign him for what he thought was a fair deal without overpaying. But in the end Abe pays the bills so we will see.

You may not be able to have it all and stay under the cap. So maybe Abe has to bend and listen to EG. Power plays at the highest level can be tricky.

[triple6mafia]

so a lot of people on this board view all of the different forums. from all these arguments and discussions, i've reached a conclusion and could be way, but i think its a pretty good one. my theory is that all those that support EJ are the same people that supported mark brunell for so long. its very similar arguments. mark brunell has a high completion percentage, he doesn't turn the ball over and lose games, he keeps us in it. along the same lines with EJ: he's gotten us to the playoffs, we have two all stars, but we are with out gil and are a little over 500, he improved our team. on the contrary, i believe that we were never gonna win a championship with brunell (and we didnt cause he was a bum) and we aren't gonna win one with EJ (cause he's a bum). sure he keeps us inthe playoffs and playoff contention, but just makes poor decisions with regards to subs and so forth and i hate to say it but we dont look like we are going to win the eastern conference. those are my thoughts, a little off topic seeing as how the last x amount of posts we debates on one specific issue.

[GOSKINS_08]

so a lot of people on this board view all of the different forums. from all these arguments and discussions, i've reached a conclusion and could be way, but i think its a pretty good one. my theory is that all those that support EJ are the same people that supported mark brunell for so long. its very similar arguments. mark brunell has a high completion percentage, he doesn't turn the ball over and lose games, he keeps us in it. along the same lines with EJ: he's gotten us to the playoffs, we have two all stars, but we are with out gil and are a little over 500, he improved our team. on the contrary, i believe that we were never gonna win a championship with brunell (and we didnt cause he was a bum) and we aren't gonna win one with EJ (cause he's a bum). sure he keeps us inthe playoffs and playoff contention, but just makes poor decisions with regards to subs and so forth and i hate to say it but we dont look like we are going to win the eastern conference. those are my thoughts, a little off topic seeing as how the last x amount of posts we debates on one specific issue.

Mad4comp either has a brother or 2 accounts!:laugh:
Just kidding:laugh:

[twenty-eight]

Mad, your man wants to coach.
...larrybrown

[hands11]

Post Phili game

Another example of why EJ must go.

Haywood is tearing the up in the 3rd. CB is re injurers his hip.
Phili has been running on us all day but Haywood comes with several dunks and 3 pt plays in the 3rd after a quit 1st half. We take our largest lead. EJ subs him out for AB instead of just adding AB to BH.

We loss the lead and momentum. EJ insert Haywood with a few minutes left when the game is already over. He plays CB to much after he has missed several games with a hip flexer and CB re-injures it.

Short handed and against and athletic team that is running on us, NY gets 5 mins.

AB has been on a tear as a starter but he comes off the bench 15 min 2 pts

Everyone else on the team shot 50% but AJ was 6-23
Haywood was 6-9 and 6-6 from the line yet he gets pulled when we just finished a run with in.

Amazingly stupid coaching.

[GOSKINS_08]

Post Phili game

Another example of why EJ must go.

Haywood is tearing the up in the 3rd. CB is re injurers his hip.
Phili has been running on us all day but Haywood comes with several dunks and 3 pt plays in the 3rd after a quit 1st half. We take our largest lead. EJ subs him out for AB instead of just adding AB to BH.

We loss the lead and momentum. EJ insert Haywood with a few minutes left when the game is already over. He plays CB to much after he has missed several games with a hip flexer and CB re-injures it.

Short handed and against and athletic team that is running on us, NY gets 5 mins.

AB has been on a tear as a starter but he comes off the bench 15 min 2 pts

Everyone else on the team shot 50% but AJ was 6-23
Haywood was 6-9 and 6-6 from the line yet he gets pulled when we just finished a run with in.

Amazingly stupid coaching.

Well about Blatche, he picked up quick fouls yet again..1 foolishly when he was frustrated and just threw the other guy down..When you already have trouble picking up too many fouls, you dont commit cheap foolish fouls like that.

[mad4comp]

Well about Blatche, he picked up quick fouls yet again..1 foolishly when he was frustrated and just threw the other guy down..When you already have trouble picking up too many fouls, you don't commit cheap foolish fouls like that.

Yea but during the time that Caron was out and he started, he did pretty well with his fouls. I think its due to the fact that when he comes off the bench, he feels like he has to be an immediate game changer. Its like hes trying to impress with his defensive and offensive skills in a little amount of time, causing him to over do it on both ends of the floor (leading to quick fouls). When he started the last three games (before philly), you could see that he was refraining from doing stupid **** and would just play the game. Everytime the other team did something good he would just wait and get revenge on the next play, instead of trying to foul/draw charges etc.... Its all about his job security. When Caron went down he knew he would get the bulk of minutes (since the rest of the forwards on the bench blow), and just waited for his opportunity in game.

Play him more EJ. Stop being a dumb***.

Secondly I agree with Hands last post. Some very dumb moves last night by EJ. And also, where the hell is Nick Young?

[hands11]

Yea but during the time that Caron was out and he started, he did pretty well with his fouls. I think its due to the fact that when he comes off the bench, he feels like he has to be an immediate game changer. Its like hes trying to impress with his defensive and offensive skills in a little amount of time, causing him to over do it on both ends of the floor (leading to quick fouls). When he started the last three games (before philly), you could see that he was refraining from doing stupid **** and would just play the game. Everytime the other team did something good he would just wait and get revenge on the next play, instead of trying to foul/draw charges etc.... Its all about his job security. When Caron went down he knew he would get the bulk of minutes (since the rest of the forwards on the bench blow), and just waited for his opportunity in game.

Play him more EJ. Stop being a dumb***.

Secondly I agree with Hands last post. Some very dumb moves last night by EJ. And also, where the hell is Nick Young?

I have been proposing another view on AB and fouls and I think the resent play with BH where AB was starting supports it.

1st. AB is a fast starter. So is BH. So starting them make sense if you want the most out of them.

2nd. When you play them both together AB doesn't foul as much because he is the PF with a big C behind him. Neither has to defend the paint by themselves so neither get out of position as much. The paint is always cover by at least 1 of them. They bock out which creates rebound for both as well as other players. This also help lower the impact of AJ. This also gives us an advantage few teams can line up well against. We have been and continue to miss the boat. We should be playing big but EJ plays us small.

It's not just about getting AB more minutes. Its about getting him more mins early in the game with BH and other starters. That is the sweet spot for this team and that lowers AB fouls and extends him playing time.

I've been staying it for years. Start AB and BH. Not doing this starting last year has only delay ABs development and sold the rest of our talent short.

Our starting line up should start there and our 2nd line ups should be based on this.

AD, CB, AJ, AB, BH - once CB and AD come back
AD, DS, AJ, AB, BH - when CB and GA are injured
GA, CB, AJ, AB, BH - once GA come back

This is not only how we win today, but this is how you build a team that can get to the 2nd round.

If we just lined them up right, we could be the best team in the conference.

This is a coaching failure.

[LiveStrongSkins]

I've been known to support EJ, but last night was ignorant coaching to say the least. A hip flexor is a big injury. There is no way a player should get the same minutes when coming back from that. He is pressing right now in his coaching. Butler's minutes should be capped at 22-25 right now. Now he just may have made an already serious injury, worse. Also, how come a professional basketball team cannot handle the press? This has been a problem for years now. Even with Arenas, we do not fare well against full court pressure. To me that is coaching, because the right pass beats the press 100% of the time.

[hands11]

Post Denver Game.

Rack up another EJ :doh:

What happen to Haywood and his amazing post game? He was dominating the first half.

Why was NY going 1 on 5 for 10 start possessions ? What happen to Mason? he was on fire.

Why was Songaila in instead of Haywood?

Same EJ, different day. This is why I gave up on him so long ago.

Eddie "Norv" Jordon. I'll say it again. He isn't a good HC because he doesn't get the line ups and rotation right. Most of why we have improved this year is because of the assistants we added. Haywood has been amazing. Can you believe how good he has gotten from the line. Amazing. CB clipped off around 70 FTs in a row and added range and is starting to drive more. AJ is playing better D. We have even been in 2 games against PHE and Denver even without GA, CB, AD and ET. That is amazing. We have talent and we have depth. We just need a better HC.

[hands11]

http://www.philly.com/inquirer/sports/20080217_THE_BUZZ_Tensions_in_Wizards_hierarchy.ht ml

But also keep an eye on the relationship between coach Eddie Jordan and general manager Ernie Grunfeld, which has simmered of late after being on the edge early last season. The genesis of the problem was when owner Abe Pollin hired Jordan before he hired Grunfeld, unusual in a league where the GM usually gets to pick his coach, and continued when Grunfeld chafed at the Wizards' horrible defense the previous two seasons - much improved this season with former 76ers coach Randy Ayers on board as an assistant.

Jordan has won enough games to keep his job secure, but we hear there's still tension beneath the surface between the two. And if the Wizards don't turn things around for a strong playoff drive, the whispers about Jordan's future may well return. . . .

--

Is this really a surprise to anyone? EJ is not EGs guy. EG is a great GM who knows a good coach when he sees one. EG hired some baby sitters over the summer to implement better D and better shooting. I'm sure EG knows why this team wins. It's because of all the pieces he had put in place. The last remaining piece is the HC. So what would make anyone think EG doesn't have a short leash on EJ?

I'm telling you. This is what worries me. Is Abe dumb enough to choose EJ over EG if it comes down to it. EG can get a job with another organization if he wants. Abe will be left as the fool once again. Abe better let EG call the shots on this one or we will all be sorry.

This is the house the EG built. And if he is gone because Abe wouldn't get out of the way, what GM worth his salt would want to come here. This could fall apart as quickly as EG put it together.

[Mr. Grundle]

Post Denver Game.

Rack up another EJ :doh:

What happen to Haywood and his amazing post game? He was dominating the first half.

Why was NY going 1 on 5 for 10 start possessions ? What happen to Mason? he was on fire.

Why was Songaila in instead of Haywood?

Same EJ, different day. This is why I gave up on him so long ago.

Eddie "Norv" Jordon. I'll say it again. He isn't a good HC because he doesn't get the line ups and rotation right. Most of why we have improved this year is because of the assistants we added. Haywood has been amazing. Can you believe how good he has gotten from the line. Amazing. CB clipped off around 70 FTs in a row and added range and is starting to drive more. AJ is playing better D. We have even been in 2 games against PHE and Denver even without GA, CB, AD and ET. That is amazing. We have talent and we have depth. We just need a better HC.

The Denver game was one of Eddie's worst. Not as much for the substitutions but more for the way the offense was run down the stretch.

I do have to agree that Dave Hopla is amazing. Haywood is a terrible free throw shooter for basically his whole life, and then suddenly he can hit 80%. Caron Butler can suddenly shoot the 3. Also he breaks the franchise record for consecutive free throws made. Stevenson hitting more 3's than ever. Roger Mason is suddenly deadly from the arc......how many teams this year have said to themselves, "Roger who?".

I don't care who the HC is, just keep this Hopla guy.

[hands11]

Another coaching exhibition from EJ


After hearing his post game and his focus on the team not bring emotion again, I'm starting to think he is loosing these guys. They arent responding to him.

When we have CB, he is the emotional leader along with AJ and AD.

But without CB, the coach has to step in. If he didn't, shame on him. If he did and they didn't respond, he is loosing them.

Of course when CB returns, thing will change. Then GA comes back
and you get another burst. Then Etan makes rotating the centers easier.

But then you worry will EJ rotate them well.

I just don't get what EJ adds except people like that he is a local guy
and he seem like a nice person.

I don't know who we can get who is better or when it will happen, but I do
know we should be able to get a better HC.

Problem is, as much as I want him gone, do it now would be really hard on the team and Abe isnt going to do it.

If you don't make the playoffs, that makes things harder on resigning GA, and AJ.

So we have to keep him for now and make the playoffs. Then if we have an early exist, we can start fresh next year with someone else.

[method man]

Well, if the Wiz fail to go deep once again, EJ is a goner.

[hands11]

So what would be plan B?

Who do we think will be available this summer?

EJ would really need to suck ass to get fired during this season so we are really looking to the offseason.

Would Ayers be a good head coach?

What kind of HCs has EG picked in the past?

It really would be best for this organization if EG was to pick his own guy. Then you would know everyone is on the same page and the structure between GM, HC and players would be set up the way it should be.

We are close but we still aren't there.

We went from a GM/Coach to hand pick coach by the VP who ended up being a player to a coach hand picked by the owner before he hired the GM. This is still dysfunctional compared to how it should be.

GM should pick the HC and the players. Owners should own and spend money and run the operation and sell tickets and keep the stadium nice.

[triple6mafia]

Mad4comp either has a brother or 2 accounts!:laugh:
Just kidding:laugh:


it is funny cause that's actually the second time this thread, i think, that a similar thing has been posted. i hate EJ and where was the NY Knicks thread last night and what the frick was AD doing at the end of the game. I know we don't have gil and caron, but the knicks? maaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnn

[hands11]

So what would be plan B?

Who do we think will be available this summer?

EJ would really need to suck ass to get fired during this season so we are really looking to the offseason.

Would Ayers be a good head coach?

What kind of HCs has EG picked in the past?

It really would be best for this organization if EG was to pick his own guy. Then you would know everyone is on the same page and the structure between GM, HC and players would be set up the way it should be.

We are close but we still aren't there.

We went from a GM/Coach to hand pick coach by the VP who ended up being a player to a coach hand picked by the owner before he hired the GM. This is still dysfunctional compared to how it should be.

GM should pick the HC and the players. Owners should own and spend money and run the operation and sell tickets and keep the stadium nice.

OK, maybe EJ can suck enough to get fired during the season. :laugh:

We had a chance to get ride of him to start the season but we beat ATL.

I would say if he doesn't do something drastic that makes it look like he has some idea of what he has to manage to get his team back healthy and take advantage of the pieces he has that he can use as an advantage, then he could be gone very soon. We have 1 win this month.

Actually one more crappy play drawn up like last night could do it. Here is hoping we play Charlotte tough with AB and BH having great game and AJ goes 5-18 forcing shots and a one on one iso play is drawn up to end the game only this time it is run by Songaila at the top of the key - running down the clock to 4 seconds only to get his shot blocked back in his face as he fall back on his ass in impoverishment and defeat.

If that happens and EG can't fire EJ, then Abe is the problem and there is no hope. EG should leave and this whole thing can go to hell in a hand basket because Abe is a loser who won't get out of the way.

[DCMONEY]

All things considered EJ is doing good this season. All the injuries are huting the team.

[Fletch_Lives59]

The guy has done great with what he is given, with CB and Agent 0 out what do you expect..You expect that 7' waste of space Haywood to carry the team, I got an idea, you're 7' tall block a shot...

[RedskinsNation]

I think i've officially turned into an EJ hater. There, I said it.

-- Watching this team give WIIIIIIIIIDE OPEN shots night after night is nauseating....i know Caron/Gil are out but EJ needs to have these guys play disciplined on the draw & dishes.

-- Allowing Daniels the minutes he does is questionable....I'll leave that alone.....but allowing this guy to shoot as often as he does AND with the game on the line is a complete joke. EJ should be instructing him not to shoot the ball....please EJ beg him not to shoot.

Thats all the venting for now....I know the team won last night but u could not convince me that if we had a TO last night and EJ had chosen to use it he would have drawn up some clunky play and we would have gone to OT and lost.

The best EJ can do at this point is get out of the way.

[skinstzar]

Eddie Jordan is a great coach. If you think otherwise you know nothing.

[RedskinsNation]

EJ...could care less if his players play D...puts the ball in the hands of A.Daniels at the end of games.....yep he's a stud coach.

I know this team is beat up but forcing the remainder of the team to guard people wouldnt be that difficult.

[desioreo87]

EJ is a terrible coach. He doesn't know how to run a team or coach a team or motivate a team. Without his stars hes useless. The only reason we have won games has been based on sheer talent. Not because he had a game plan but because sometimes talent alone can carry you.

He has an amazing prospect in blatche and yet no one has told this kid to go strong to the whole when he is on the blocks instead of settling for jumpshots and turnaround jumpers.

He is not gona lead this team anywhere.

[twenty-eight]

I know, right?!

**** you Eddie!!

[hfmonk]

Get rid of Abe, EG and EJ and we might have a shot at something. Abe is too involved with the team.

EG keeps making alot of bad moves and hits a home run rarely. He doesnt scout internationally well. He is an average GM.

EJ doesnt understand defense, or how to sub, or even how to deal with NBA players. Let him go back to college.