drinking at games. What should be done??

[81artmonk]

HBOs real sports did a piece on Drinking at NFL games and how out of control it has become. They focused on Redskins fans mainly, and did a story on a woman who lost her husband and small infant due to a drunk driver leaving a Dolphins game who was 2 times over the limit.

Should they ban drinking from games??

IMO they should. Alcohol serves no other purpuse than to intoxicate. If you could pick 12 people at any game who drink one cup of beer merely for the enjoyment and that's all, they don't get drunk or buzzed, I would say your crazy.

Many would argue that it's just like coke or Pepsi. Wrong. You don't see people drinking soft drinks getting into fights, yelling non-stop during the game, using foul language, acting the fool.

I want to bring my kid to see a Redksins game some time in the future, but having experienced games first hand I doubt I would. When people pay upwards of $100 for tickets now a days, and you have to put up with people constantly getting up every 15 minutes to get more beer and disrupting your game experience, yelling at ear piercing levels all game long becuase they are drunk, cussing non-stop at me, at other people and at the players due to intoxication, throwing up, being rude and threatening to me and my wife.

I know it will never happen, but IMO all Alcohol should be banned from games. None in the tailgate, none in the game. Nothing good happens when your drunk, and it ruines the experience for those of us who really want to watch the game and not a bunch of drunk people acting like Asses!!

[chomerics]

HBOs real sports did a peice on Drinking at NFL games and how out of control it has become. They focused on Redskins fans mainly, and did a story on a woman who lost her husband and small infant due to a drunk driver leaving a Dolphins game who was 2 times over the limit.

Should they ban drinking from games??

IMO they should. Alcohol serves no other purpuse than to intoxicate. If you could pick 12 people at any game who drink one cup of beer merely for the enjoyment and that's all, they don't get drunk or buzzed, I would say your crazy.

Many would argue that it's just like coke or Pepsi. Wrong. You don't see people drinking soft drinks getting into fights, yelling non-stop during the game, using foul language, acting the fool.

I want to bring my kid to see a Redksins game some time in the future, but having experienced games first hand I doubt I would. When people pay upwards of $100 for tickets now a days, and you have to put up with people constantly getting up every 15 minutes to get more beer and disrupting your game experience, yelling at ear piercing levels all game long becuase they are drunk, cussing non-stop at me, at other people and at the players due to intoxication, throwing up, being rude and threatening to me and my wife.

I know it will never happen, but IMO all Alcohol should be banned from games. None in the tailgate, none in the game. Nothing good happens when your drunk, and it ruines the experience for those of us who really want to watch the game and not a bunch of drunk people acting like Asses!!

Oh this thread will go over like an atheist fart in church. . .

If you don't like people drinking at NFL games, then you should probably stay at home to watch the game. . .BTW there is a non-alcohol section in most NFL stadiums

[GibbsFactor]

Isn't that why we go to football games? free pass to be a fool?

:whoknows:

[BALLz]

Random breathalyzers as you exit the stadium, only thing I can think of. May a check point at each exit.


People will complain it's to time consuming but it better than getting killed or killing someone.

Perhaps danny should off taxi rides home.

[kingokz416]

The whole point of tailgating is relaxing grilling out and drinking beer. You must be out of your mind if you thinkg they will ever ban alcohol at an NFL game. The best part of going to the games is tailgating and yelling at the other team and cheering loud for your own. If you don't like the people drinking and yelling and having a good time, maybe you should stay at home. After all who wants to be in a quiet stadium during a football not rooting for their own team?

GOOD LUCK

[GoSkins561]

Lower beer prices by at least $2 per bottle.

[Kosher Ham]

Why would they be rude to you and your kids ? Are you rocking a Cowboys Jersey ?

You know they don't allow alcohol at college games, inside the stadiums. But it certainly stops no one from drinking.

[Koolblue13]

Could always do what they did at the old Vet stadium. Make the beer there and have a court and jail cells. It's win/win. Pure profit making it, then making the drunks pay to get ot of Vet jail.

But maybe that only works in Philly.:)

[BALLz]

People can cry all they want about restrictions but my mom drives by that stadium on her way to work, so i'd prefer her not be killed on the way by some drunk A-hole


Someone should invent a bracelet that can read your BAL and change color based on your levels.

[81artmonk]

Oh this thread will go over like an atheist fart in church. . .

If you don't like people drinking at NFL games, then you should probably stay at home to watch the game. . .BTW there is a non-alcohol section in most NFL stadiums

Well I have been to Arizona,Seattle,San Fransico,San Diego,Houston and none of those stadiums offer that.

But to touch on your point that you started off with. Since people who drink ruin the experience for those who don't, your solution is to ban the people who aren't breaking the law, since those who are out number those who aren't??

BTW, it's not that I don't like people drinking, it's when their drunk and being threatening to me, yelling at me, ruining my experience.

You want to drink a couple of beers druing the game go ahead, but drunks who are IMO about 60% of those attending, don't need to be there.


I might point out that these people whom you want to give rights to over those who don't are breaking the law.

Since you think drinking and drunken behavior is soo right at games, how about we also allow those who aren't drinking the right to bring weapons to the game to quiet those who are drunk and making it hard for thos of us who really want to enjoy the LIVE game and not the TELEVISED one??

Or is that bad?? I mean if drunks should be allowed there, and I should stay home, why can't I have my rights to allow me an enjoyable game experience??

[Koolblue13]

People can cry all they want about restrictions but my mom drives by that stadium on her way to work, so i'd prefer her not be killed on the way by some drunk A-hole


Someone should invent a bracelet that can read your BAL and change color based on your levels.Maybe a chip?;)

[BALLz]

The whole point of tailgating is relaxing grilling out and drinking beer. You must be out of your mind if you thinkg they will ever ban alcohol at an NFL game. The best part of going to the games is tailgating and yelling at the other team and cheering loud for your own. If you don't like the people drinking and yelling and having a good time, maybe you should stay at home. After all who wants to be in a quiet stadium during a football not rooting for their own team?

GOOD LUCK


I think some of the concern is about what happens on the way home from a game.

[Kosher Ham]

Hint: Being drunk on private property is not a crime.

[JetSkins]

lower the price of beer

[Kosher Ham]

I think some of the concern is about what happens on the way home from a game.

And that is a legitimate concern. IMO, within the next 10 years all cars will have the steering wheel skin thing that measures your BAC. At least I would hope so.

[81artmonk]

The whole point of tailgating is relaxing grilling out and drinking beer. You must be out of your mind if you thinkg they will ever ban alcohol at an NFL game. The best part of going to the games is tailgating and yelling at the other team and cheering loud for your own. If you don't like the people drinking and yelling and having a good time, maybe you should stay at home. After all who wants to be in a quiet stadium during a football not rooting for their own team?

GOOD LUCK

Gezz, when did I ever say social drinking was bad?? I said drunks. I've had a drunk guy get so upset at an Arizona game over his team losing to the Skins that he grabbed my wife and picked her up and tried to swing her around. Trying to get security after a game is like finding a needle in a haystack.

Like I said before, if you want a few beers to relax and enjoy the game go for it. But that's not what's happening and you know it. People are getting :pooh: faced before and during and that isn't cool

[Chachie]

Hint: Being drunk on private property is not a crime.


Hint: Driving away from that property is.

[81artmonk]

Hint: Being drunk on private property is not a crime.

Really, I believe it's called public intoxication, drunk and disorderly conduct. Better brush up on your laws.

[skinsfan44]

I know it will never happen, but IMO all Alcohol should be banned from games. None in the tailgate, none in the game. Nothing good happens when your drunk, and it ruines the experience for those of us who really want to watch the game and not a bunch of drunk people acting like Asses!!

I don't think you will get an invite to the ES/RR tailgate any time soon. :D

Although SOME people do drink too much at the games, it is not all who do so.

I do believe that FedEx Field needs to have better enforcement in dealing with people who do get out of hand at the games.

When you put 91,000+ people together you are bound to have a few fans cause trouble, but it is only a small percentage.

Now, if it gets to be like some soccer fans at games in Britain, then you have a point, otherwise it is not as bad as HBO makes it out to be.

[Destino]

Ban drinking at football games? That's flat out crazy talk. What is next ban hotdogs because they are unhealthy and parents bring their kids to games and shouldn't feel pressured to buy unhealthy food for them?

There is a limit of course and fans that get out of control need to get tossed. Banning drinking however would ruin the experience for many and frankly I can do without the "why do you need to drink to have fun?" BS. I can have fun without drinking but football games are far more fun with drinking than without and considering I've never caused a problem at the stadium I see no reason for my fun to be cut short.

[Kosher Ham]

Hint: Driving away from that property is.

But not everyone is driving and it's simply unrealistic to assume so.


Really, I believe it's called public intoxication, drunk and disorderly conduct. Better brush up on your laws.

On private property ? You sure, you come over my house and get drunk, even in my driveway or backyard and no law is broken. Look I feel for you, really I do. The last thing I want is to know of someone that got in an accident because of being an idiot at the game. However unfortunately it is unrealistic to believe that any sporting even is going to stop selling their biggest profit margin item, because of a handful of knuckleheads.

I have been to plenty of games all over, and have only once had even words with a drunk fan. Typically the mildly drunk won't cause any trouble or their friends reel them in before it escalates.

[Mooka]

Yea right. Anheuser-Busch sponsors pretty much every team and stadium in the league, plus the SB.

[GibbsFactor]

Really, I believe it's called public intoxication, drunk and disorderly conduct. Better brush up on your laws.

I think you are making the opposing case for yourself. It's simply a fact that young men can get out of control with little real threat for it. It's what many young men do at the game. They feel its a free pass to be obnoxious and intoxicated. For some, it's part of the experience. I do agree that it should be controlled some but it's one of the only places it can be done. It's a release of sorts.

[Chachie]

It's not just the stands that should be discussed here, but the parking lot. I love seeing the pics of our ES tailgaters getting blitzed and having fun- but I also worry that one or some of them could be hurt in a fight/car accident/alcohol overdose. This place would not be so fun on Monday if something like that happened and the odds say it will happen eventually.

[Destino]

Hint: Driving away from that property is.
Then you better get to work on closing every bar with a parking lot. If you drink before the game in moderation you'll be sober 4 hours later unless you got completely sloshed.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I agree with the original poster. So far as I'm concerned, in a perfect world, ALL sporting arenas (including their parking areas) would be alcohol-free zones.

I go to sporting events to WATCH THE GAME, not to get drunk and act my shoe-size instead of my age. Likewise I have no interest in dealing with an arena full of drunks who make me wish I'd just stayed at home.

That's PART of the reason why I have no plans in the near or distant future to attend a game at FedEx Field.

[Dance04]

problem with everything is that some people overdo it and ruin it for everyone else.

I personally don't find it appealing to get wasted and watch a sporting event. I always wake up the next day and go "damn, i missed the whole game"

That must be the explanation for some of the posts we get in the stadium :laugh:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

I've thought about this alot (every month when this thread is written), and I've come to a conclusion. The only way to really stop the complaints about all the alcohol that is drunk, and the alcohol-related attitudes, is to only allow drunk people into the game. This has several positive effects:

1. If you're drunk, you don't whine about other drunks. You just drink more. Then, I won't have to read this thread every month.

2. It gets only the loudest most obnoxious fans into FedEx, thus making the home field advantage that much better.

3. In the short term, it results in more beatings for opposing teams fans. Over time, however, the reputation will spread, and less and less fans of other teams will be willing to show up at our games. With less opposing teams' fans, fights will actually DECREASE in the long term.

4. It ensures that MSF does not show up.

5. It prevents hypothermia (or at least the recognition of hypothermia by the fans) in the late month games.

6. It makes the games more fun.

and

7. There is a slightly higher probability that some drunk young lady will decide to start flashing, thus increasing the chances of seeing football and breasts at the same event. Win-win.

Conclusion - breathalyzers must be mandated at every gate. Anyone blowing less than a .15, back to the tailgate to shotgun beers.

[Kosher Ham]

^^^^^ Rule #7 - Man Law.

[renaissance]

If there are better enforcement mechanisms - ie getting rid of the obnoxious drunks who are instigating fights, puking, unable to walk up and down the stairs, etc. - then the people who are able to drink and control themselves shouldn't be concerned.


If you are able to drink and still act like a respectable human being, then I have no problem with you coming to the game. But if you drink to the point that you are no longer there to support the team and watch the game, then I hope you will get kicked out. In the end, those people are no better than the yuppie "fans" who sit in their corporate boxes socializing for the whole game. I've seen plenty of people on ES who complain about crappy spectators taking away from the atmosphere at FedEx, how are the annoying drunkards not doing the same thing, while also endangering the safety of the people around them?

[headexplode]

I don't think they should ban drinking. They should just ban idiots.

Or ban drinking and allow pot smoking. Problem solved.

[renaissance]

allow pot smoking.

This is what DC United games are for.

[headexplode]

This is what DC United games are for.

Duly noted. I knew there had to be a reason to get into American soccer.

[Hunny]

I certainly don't think drinking should be banned at tailgates. That is unheard of! If we're discussing a way to limit the number of drunk drivers AFTER the game, then here's an idea:

While you shouldn't limit the drinking at tailgates, they could only offer 1 or 2 beers max. per person at the stadium.. and then they stop selling at the beginning of the 4th. Of course, there's really no way to keep tabs on how many beers you've been buying, unless they made some mandatory bracelet with marks on it or something. http://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/whoknows.gif Then by the end of the game, the walk back to the car, and the sitting in traffic for an hour should be enough time to sober up quite a bit.

Anyway, you can't just flat out ban drinking at games. It wouldn't be the same. And yes, this is coming from a woman's perspective.

http://extremeskins.com/forums/images/smilies/cheers.gif

[Midnight Judges]

Banning it would work about as well as it did during prohibition.

[Rocky21]

Lower beer prices by at least $2 per bottle.Yeah why wasn't this one of the voting options?

[Fifty Gut]

:laugh: @ banning alcohol from games... you want the league to go bankrupt? Why go to a game if you can't drink?

I saw the same story of that woman who lost her family after a game to a drunk driving accident. It sucks, but **** happens. I feel sorry for her but you don't go punishing everyone just because one idiot didn't know his limit. It was an isolated incident. That one idiot will get what's coming to him via the law.

[RememberOsaka]

Someone should invent a bracelet that can read your BAL and change color based on your levels.

I think that they already have this...in Russia or North Korea. Perhaps you should move.

[Fifty Gut]

People can cry all they want about restrictions but my mom drives by that stadium on her way to work, so i'd prefer her not be killed on the way by some drunk A-hole

It's 8 games a year, take a different road if you're that scared.


Someone should invent a bracelet that can read your BAL and change color based on your levels.

Wow, is this Mother Russia?

[the burgundy and gold]

Why go to a game if you can't drink?


to watch the game and root on your favorite team? :whoknows:

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I certainly don't think drinking should be banned at tailgates. That is unheard of!

I hold the exact opposite opinion, personally. I think that the mere possession of alcohol anywhere on the property should be grounds to revoke your tickets and remove you from the property


Anyway, you can't just flat out ban drinking at games. It wouldn't be the same. And yes, this is coming from a woman's perspective.

You're right, it wouldn't be the same. People like me might actually be able to have a reasonably decent experience at a game if alcohol were banned.


Banning it would work about as well as it did during prohibition.

I don't know about that, MJ. I think it could be pretty easily enforced with a patdown/bag search at all gates and with a simple penalty for violation of the rule... Total, Permanent Banishment from all Stadium Events (including loss of tickets for season ticket holders).


:laugh: @ banning alcohol from games... you want the league to go bankrupt? Why go to a game if you can't drink?

How about to actually WATCH THE GAME. Believe it or not that IS what some of us are actually interested in when we attend a sporting event, whether it's hockey, baseball or football.

[HOF44]

The .08 BAC limit is an interest group driven bull**** number. .08 BAC for someone like me at 6'5 250 is not the same as .08 in someone who is 5'2 120.

It is actually. It just takes you more drinks to get to the .08.

[btfoom]

Lower beer prices by at least $2 per bottle.

OK, thread OVER. Ding, Ding, Ding!!! We have a WINNER!!!

[Fifty Gut]

to watch the game and root on your favorite team? :whoknows:

Yawn, sober? I can stay home if I'm not trying to drink for the game.

[Fifty Gut]

It is actually. It just takes you more drinks to get to the .08.

Okay, that's what I was trying to say, but still. .08 is a really bull****, strict, unnecessary limit. The Feds had some nerve a few years back forcing every state to follow .08 enforcement. The idea of punishing someone before they've commited any violent crime is lunacy and not what America stands for.

[81artmonk]

Ban drinking at football games? That's flat out crazy talk. What is next ban hotdogs because they are unhealthy and parents bring their kids to games and shouldn't feel pressured to buy unhealthy food for them?

There is a limit of course and fans that get out of control need to get tossed. Banning drinking however would ruin the experience for many and frankly I can do without the "why do you need to drink to have fun?" BS. I can have fun without drinking but football games are far more fun with drinking than without and considering I've never caused a problem at the stadium I see no reason for my fun to be cut short.

Your first part is crazy, alcohol serves no other purpose than to intoxicate. Hotdogs are food, big, huge difference.

Your second part is even more ridiculous. That's like saying, I have never hurt anyone driving drunk, and frankly I have more fun driving when I am drunk. I can drive without being drunk but personally, driving drunk is more fun. I have never caused a problem so I see no reason for my fun to be cut short.

Have you ever heard of the actions of a few ruining it for the many?? First off life isn't fair. Second just because you are responsible doen't mean everyone else is, therefore, IMO the safety of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

[Fifty Gut]

How about to actually WATCH THE GAME. Believe it or not that IS what some of us are actually interested in when we attend a sporting event, whether it's hockey, baseball or football.

That's cool, do you, but don't try to limit my fun just because you enjoy straight edge sports. When I watch the Skins, I gotta drink. When I watch my favorite show, I gotta smoke. That's me. You do you and I'll do me.

[81artmonk]

But not everyone is driving and it's simply unrealistic to assume so.



On private property ? You sure, you come over my house and get drunk, even in my driveway or backyard and no law is broken. Look I feel for you, really I do. The last thing I want is to know of someone that got in an accident because of being an idiot at the game. However unfortunately it is unrealistic to believe that any sporting even is going to stop selling their biggest profit margin item, because of a handful of knuckleheads.

I have been to plenty of games all over, and have only once had even words with a drunk fan. Typically the mildly drunk won't cause any trouble or their friends reel them in before it escalates.

Yes, the stadium isn't considered private. It is considered public intoxication and drunk and disorderly ocnduct if you are drinking in the parking lot at a tailgate. The reason nothing is ever done is shere numbers. There aren't enough law enforcement to enforce it.

The thing that frustrates me the most, is that I have to play hall monitor at games if I want to enjoy it. I have to go get security to remove or control some idiot. Now, that may seem, alright, but Why should I have to miss part of the game to go do this sort of thing in the first place.

I have never done it, but if I had, I would be up all game long tattle telling on people who are ruining the experience for me. I've been told to stay home, if I don't want to re-live this. Why, anyone ever heard of common courtesy??

[Mass_SkinsFan]

That's cool, do you, but don't try to limit my fun just because you enjoy straight edge sports. When I watch the Skins, I gotta drink. When I watch my favorite show, I gotta smoke. That's me. You do you and I'll do me.

The problem is that while my sitting politely in my seat and trying to watch the game doesn't interfere with your drunken reveling; your drunken reveling DOES interfere wih my ability to sit politely and try to watch the game.

THAT'S a problem in my mind. It's part of the reason why I don't attend a lot of live sporting events and why I won't go to FedEx at all.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Your first part is crazy, alcohol serves no other purpose than to intoxicate. Hotdogs are food, big, huge difference.

Your second part is even more ridiculous. That's like saying, I have never hurt anyone driving drunk, and frankly I have more fun driving when I am drunk. I can drive without being drunk but personally, driving drunk is more fun. I have never caused a problem so I see no reason for my fun to be cut short.

Have you ever heard of the actions of a few ruining it for the many?? First off life isn't fair. Second just because you are responsible doen't mean everyone else is, therefore, IMO the safety of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.

Life isn't fair. Unfortunately for those of you who think they should ban drinking at games, it will never happen because it pays the players' salaries. So, just drop it and let the rest of us have a good time.

[airborneskins]

I get loud and crazy at the games, and guess what?? I don't even drink...

If the worry is about taking revenue from the stadium, try this idea. Put the beer booths in the parking lots and at every entrance. Sell as much as they want in the parking lots, and then upon entry, everyone is allowed to purchase a max of 2-3 beers a piece. Since nobody likes warm beer, the beer will all get drank before halftime, and everyone should be sobering up right around the end of the game. :silly:

For the record, even though I dont drink, I love the fact that drunk fans get loud and represent the Burgandy and Gold.

[81artmonk]

I think you are making the opposing case for yourself. It's simply a fact that young men can get out of control with little real threat for it. It's what many young men do at the game. They feel its a free pass to be obnoxious and intoxicated. For some, it's part of the experience. I do agree that it should be controlled some but it's one of the only places it can be done. It's a release of sorts.

What I find funny in all of this is people are really supporting this kind of behavior in public because they think it is their right!! I've been told in posts to stay home. I hate to point something out, but if one wants to act like that, Home is where they should be, not me!!

Have we come to a point in our society where acting like an ass and being rude, illmannered, crass, violent and done right annoying in public is ok?? Has a single persons rights, outweigh those around them to enjoy something.

So let me ask this quetion. does this right of behavior translate into a movie theater. If I want to talk loudly all through the movie, should I be able to?? How about you go home and rent a dvd if you don't like my talking.

[youngestson]

It's rapidly becoming more of a problem, but I refuse to give up any more of my rights and privileges for a pack of yahoo muttonheads who can't deport themselves properly in public.

Have the P.G. county cops drag the drunken louts into the basements and crack em' over the head a couple of times. If that doesn't work sit them on slightly radiated seats to keep their gene puddle low.

How many more public events have to be taken over by these jerks before we do something about THEM and not everybody else?

[81artmonk]

I agree with the original poster. So far as I'm concerned, in a perfect world, ALL sporting arenas (including their parking areas) would be alcohol-free zones.

I go to sporting events to WATCH THE GAME, not to get drunk and act my shoe-size instead of my age. Likewise I have no interest in dealing with an arena full of drunks who make me wish I'd just stayed at home.

That's PART of the reason why I have no plans in the near or distant future to attend a game at FedEx Field.

See and that's really sad. The Ass----- are ruining it for those of us who want to enjoy a game. The social drinkers who aren't trouble are supporting the bad ones and maiking it harder for people who just want to go and support their team without having to be harrassed at a game.

[Kosher Ham]

Sounds like most of the ones that don't want to drink are the same ones that will be sitting on their hands, and "screaming down in front" all game. I get it, that you want good clean wholesome fun. Percentagewise, I would be willing to bet there are about the same amount of people on the golf courses that don't know how to behave themselves.

Alcohol lowers inhibitions, thus making fans a little more rowdy and loud. The stadium pretty much wants you to drink.

[ldysknzfn1]

I voted for the last choice of a middle ground thing. I'm not sure how they would enforce whatever they do...but I do feel that something needs to be done. I, personally, don't drink any longer(used to...and quit before I wasn't able to quit ..if you know what I mean) but I don't think that a ban would do anything except keep alcohol out of the stadium. I don't think that the problem occurs within the stadium. Most ppl can't afford but so many of those beers at $8/pop. I think the most hardcore drinking occurs in the parking lots. I believe that adults should be able to conduct themselves with some sort of decency and restraint when drinking at a public event. There are always a few idiots that ruin it for the ones who can control themselves. Most of my concern is for the ones who leave the stadium too drunk to drive. At what point is the team, organization, league, stadium responsible? It's a fine line to draw. I think at some level they're all responsible or hold some sort of responsibility in creating an atmosphere of fun and excitement while keeping safety at the forefront. But I'm not sure how they can get that done with a space so large and with so many ppl involved.


I was shocked to see the amount of hard liquor that's consumed at some of these tailgates. I think HBO did a good thing by shining a light on this issue. It needs to be addressed on some level.

People need to realize that they can have just as much fun, if not more minus the drinking and there's no hangover the next day.

[HOF44]

So let me ask this quetion. does this right of behavior translate into a movie theater. If I want to talk loudly all through the movie, should I be able to?? How about you go home and rent a dvd if you don't like my talking.

Thats what I do. Most theaters today are just as you described. So thank god for HDTV!

[TMK9973]

81 - 1st -you are just wrong.
When I go to games I have 1 or 2 beers. That's it.
In fact - I would say over 70% of those that drink beers at games do not get buzzed or drunk.

Why not do it like baseball. Stop selling beer after the 3rd Qtr? Baseball stops in the 7th.

[81artmonk]

That's cool, do you, but don't try to limit my fun just because you enjoy straight edge sports. When I watch the Skins, I gotta drink. When I watch my favorite show, I gotta smoke. That's me. You do you and I'll do me.

Sounds like you need AA meetings.

[Kosher Ham]

81 - 1st -you are just wrong.
When I go to games I have 1 or 2 beers. That's it.
In fact - I would say over 70% of those that drink beers at games do not get buzzed or drunk.

Why not do it like baseball. Stop selling beer after the 3rd Qtr? Baseball stops in the 7th.

I think all stadiums do that now.

[81artmonk]

Life isn't fair. Unfortunately for those of you who think they should ban drinking at games, it will never happen because it pays the players' salaries. So, just drop it and let the rest of us have a good time.

Well would you support me bringing a weapon to the game in order to control the idiots who get out of line, which may be you?? Serious question. I mean if you say you have the right to drink and get out of hand, shouldn't I have the right to squash it before it hinders my game experience??

[81artmonk]

It's rapidly becoming more of a problem, but I refuse to give up any more of my rights and privileges for a pack of yahoo muttonheads who can't deport themselves properly in public.

Have the P.G. county cops drag the drunken louts into the basements and crack em' over the head a couple of times. If that doesn't work sit them on slightly radiated seats to keep their gene puddle low.

How many more public events have to be taken over by these jerks before we do something about THEM and not everybody else?


:notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause: :applause:

[Kosher Ham]

I am confused about how you are continually being harrassed at games ? Why is this not happening to everyone else ?

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Sounds like most of the ones that don't want to drink are the same ones that will be sitting on their hands, and "screaming down in front" all game. I get it, that you want good clean wholesome fun.

Not sitting on our hands, but acting like reasonable, sensible ADULTS who have some respect for the other fans around us rather than acting like raving lunatics or chollicy two year olds.

As I've discussed before, I have no problem with cheering and yelling and even standing at appropriate moments and for appropriate lengths of time. That's not the problem. It's those people who believe their ticket gives them the right to reduce the quality of my experience at the stadium that are the problem.


Alcohol lowers inhibitions, thus making fans a little more rowdy and loud. The stadium pretty much wants you to drink.

You know what, KH, putting a decent product on the field makes the fans loud and rowdy just as easily. It's only those teams that have no chance of doing anything right that need to liquor their fanbase up to get support from the crowd. Think about that for a minute.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Well would you support me bringing a weapon to the game in order to control the idiots who get out of line, which may be you?? Serious question. I mean if you say you have the right to drink and get out of hand, shouldn't I have the right to squash it before it hinders my game experience??

Did I say they have the right to drink? Um, no. It's a private place and they don't have the "right" to do that. You also don't have the right to bring a gun to the game.

But the fact is that beer costs money, and that money goes to Danny, and Danny in turn spends it on lots of old players who suck ass that he likes to have around. So, Danny is NEVER going to ban it from the games.

So, life isnt fair b/c of fair market capitalism. You're life just crashed around you, didn't it?

[Chachie]

Then you better get to work on closing every bar with a parking lot. If you drink before the game in moderation you'll be sober 4 hours later unless you got completely sloshed.


You and Kosher can go with "face reality" all you want, Des. The law is the law. Kosh says not everyone that drinks at the game is driving away but that's a silly reply because there are surely enough of them driving to make for bad situations every sunday.

It's not just about driving either. The fights and people who pass out in the woods are not pretty.

I don't have to "face reality" because I don't go to games but when we lose an ES member to an alcohol-related incident, I won't be one of the people re-thinking their position.

No offense intended toward anyone here, no ill-will toward those with a differing opinion. I just post my view.

[RonJeremy]

I know it will never happen, but IMO all Alcohol should be banned from games. None in the tailgate, none in the game. Nothing good happens when your drunk, and it ruines the experience for those of us who really want to watch the game and not a bunch of drunk people acting like Asses!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


stop making me laugh....my lips are chapped.

[england]

i have been to fedex and had a beer and was surprised to be served in the stadium as the sale of intoxicating liquer in stadiums in the u.k. is banned. but i see no reason for it to be banned as everybody was enjoying a drink and the atmosphere of the game. the fans interacted great

[JerseyBach]

I dont know what the legal limit in Md. is, but here in New Jersey its .08. That means if I were to go to a bar, drink 2 pints in an hour, and leave I would be over. The penalties here include a nifty "insurance surcharge" supposedly to keep our ins. rates low (NJ has some of the highest rates anywhere, even WITH this surcharge) The rate for the surcharge alone is 1000 dollars per year, for three years. NOT including the price of the actual ticket and all the "safe streets fees" they tack on. I myself have a simple rule, If I drive there I aint drinkin. I enjoy my license too much. If I am gonna drink I let the taxi drive. People just need to use their heads, the stadiums dont have to change policy. Let someone sober drive and there are no problems. As for behavior, I am reminded of a Bill Cosby bit about cocaine, I use it because it enhances my personality. response, Really, well what if you are an ******* to begin with?

[WVUforREDSKINS]

I wouldn't mind not drinking during the game. In fact, I usually don't since beers are like $8. I don't think you can take alcohol away from tailgating though.

[Destino]

Your first part is crazy, alcohol serves no other purpose than to intoxicate. Hotdogs are food, big, huge difference.

Your second part is even more ridiculous. That's like saying, I have never hurt anyone driving drunk, and frankly I have more fun driving when I am drunk. I can drive without being drunk but personally, driving drunk is more fun. I have never caused a problem so I see no reason for my fun to be cut short.

Intoxicate isn't a bad thing. A little buzz at the game is actually a lot of fun and perfectly legal. Beer is also a beverage just as hotdogs are food. Consuming either is perfectly legal.

Speaking of legal, your drunk driving comparison is laughable. Having a few beers at the game is completely legal and driving drunk is not. If you find drunk driving fun than you are enjoying breaking the law. If you find a good buzz at the game fun you aren't doing anything wrong. The two are not comparable.


Have you ever heard of the actions of a few ruining it for the many?? First off life isn't fair. Second just because you are responsible doen't mean everyone else is, therefore, IMO the safety of the many, outweigh the needs of the few.
Funny I thought that was what YOU were trying to do here. The few that want alcohol banned would love to ruin it for most people that don't. Like you said life isn't fair - watch the game from your sober living room.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Well would you support me bringing a weapon to the game in order to control the idiots who get out of line, which may be you?? Serious question. I mean if you say you have the right to drink and get out of hand, shouldn't I have the right to squash it before it hinders my game experience??


Did I say they have the right to drink? Um, no. It's a private place and they don't have the "right" to do that. You also don't have the right to bring a gun to the game.

But the fact is that beer costs money, and that money goes to Danny, and Danny in turn spends it on lots of old players who suck ass that he likes to have around. So, Danny is NEVER going to ban it from the games.

So, life isnt fair b/c of fair market capitalism. You're life just crashed around you, didn't it?

I guess you just didn't like my response so you moved on?

[LeesburgSkinFan]

Just do random roadchecks for people exiting the stadiums.

[Destino]

You and Kosher can go with "face reality" all you want, Des. The law is the law. Kosh says not everyone that drinks at the game is driving away but that's a silly reply because there are surely enough of them driving to make for bad situations every sunday.

It's not just about driving either. The fights and people who pass out in the woods are not pretty.

I don't have to "face reality" because I don't go to games but when we lose an ES member to an alcohol-related incident, I won't be one of the people re-thinking their position.

No offense intended toward anyone here, no ill-will toward those with a differing opinion. I just post my view.

The law is the law and I'm not in favor of drunk driving. It is however wrong to assume that drinking at the game equates to drunk driving afterwards. You don't need 8 hours of sleep to sober up - you need enough time for your liver to rid your system of the alcohol (one hour per drink is a common rule of thumb). This means you can have a few beers and be fine to drive by the time the game ends.

Also where is this idea that any alochol leads to immediate violence? Idiots get violent and often the drinking is just an excuse. I have been going to bars for the last 7 years and have gotten completely wasted more times than I can count... not one fight. In fact none of my friends have gotten into a fight in that span either.

[gbear]

I hate that there are fights at fed ex. I hate that the fan experience includes piss por behavior towards others (sometimes even other fans of our own team).

I honestly view the intimidation/fights as almost as bad as the drukn driving. That said, maybe a fix on one would help the other? Given that nobody is moving fast getting out of the parking lots, I'd love to see the police just marching down the line of cars trying to get out with a breathalizer and a good supply of alcohol swabs to clean them making the drivers give a breath before continueing on. Those that fail can just pull on over to the right because they're taking the Looonnnnggggg way home. Maybe at least that could slow down the dunk driving. It might making getting out of the parking lots take a little longer as we would need another pull over lane/lot, but if you thought you were getting out quickly you weren't really that smart/experienced any way. We'd probably need to do the same thing at the metro parking lot because I bet people would get wise to where I park if it meant getting away drunk.

Seriously, this would require a much larger police pressence at the games/parking lots, but I think part of the problem is the lack of adequate police pressence for a croud the size of a packed Fed Ex.

Seriously, drink & have fun, but don't ruin the game day expereince for everyone else who paid just as much as your drunk behind for a seat.

[PokerPacker]

where's the option for lower prices and underage drinking?

[stwasm]

While you'll never be able to get alcohol banned at football stadiums, given the sponsorships the NFL has with Anheiser-Busch and Diageo, I would like to see the stadium take more initiative to turn away people who look like they've had too much to drink, and to throw out those who can't control themselves once they get liquored up. As much as fans pay to go to games, they shouldn't have their experience ruined by obnoxious drunks.

[TheDoyler23]

Nothing ticks me off then having two super-drunk idiots in your row, who spend 85% of the game buying beer or urinating. The only problem is the two idiots are never at the same place at the same time, so if you're between the idiots and the isle, you have to get out of their drunk, stumbling way 20X in 3.5 hours.

Anyway, the fans pay $8 for a $1.50 beer in the stadium. The fans pay $35 to park. Use part of that super-fat profit margin to have a REASONABLE amount of security, and have that security toss out more of the bad offenders.

[Midnight Judges]

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I don't know about that, MJ. I think it could be pretty easily enforced with a patdown/bag search at all gates and with a simple penalty for violation of the rule... Total, Permanent Banishment from all Stadium Events (including loss of tickets for season ticket holders).


Doesn't seem to work for the NCAA although I'm not sure what their punishments are.

[BALLz]

It's 8 games a year, take a different road if you're that scared.






This is a great idea. Now, as soon as we can get a map that tells us the exact routes all the drunk a-holes will take and at what time, I'll be able to let my mom know which way she should go to safely get to work.


And for the record, I'm not against drinking at the game. I just think they're needs to be a way to keep the really drunk ones off the road afterwards.

[Corcaigh]

I've no desire to return to FedEx and listen to so-called fellow Redksins fans scream every name they can think of at our coaches, the players and everyone else. The morons try to one-up each other with each insult, escalating the volume and profanity.

And no, I'm not a Puritan. I'm an Irish ex-rugby player who enjoys the odd drink :); there's just a time and a place for swearing, falling down-drunk and vomiting and that place is not in the seat next to me or my son.:doh:

I think they should just provide separate seating areas:

Section 1: No beer served during game, and aggressive policing of obscene language. Call it a family enclosure if you want.

Section 2: Drunk vomiting rednecks can swear, fall down and fight all they want.:D

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Doesn't seem to work for the NCAA although I'm not sure what their punishments are.

Not sure I can speak to what the NCAA does, as I'm not familiar with the situation. I'm literally talking about a list like the Europeans use for Hooligans at football matches. If your name is on the list, you can't buy tickets. Anyone who buys tickets for you gets put on the list themselves.

Something tells me that might put a damper on the party atmosphere a little. If nothing else it'd get rid of the biggest morons pretty quickly.

[PleaseBlitz]

Many would argue that it's just like coke or Pepsi. Wrong. You don't see people drinking soft drinks getting into fights, yelling non-stop during the game, using foul language, acting the fool.



This is totally false.

[PleaseBlitz]

Not sure I can speak to what the NCAA does, as I'm not familiar with the situation. I'm literally talking about a list like the Europeans use for Hooligans at football matches. If your name is on the list, you can't buy tickets. Anyone who buys tickets for you gets put on the list themselves.

Something tells me that might put a damper on the party atmosphere a little. If nothing else it'd get rid of the biggest morons pretty quickly.

Sounds like Mass wants America to be more european. :laugh:

[Shilsu]

Look, drinking is NOT the problem. Drinking is the EXCUSE.

Go to a bar or a club. Is drinking the problem?

No, the problem is A-HOLES.

Just ban the A-HOLES from football games the same way A-HOLES are thrown out of bars and clubs.

[NAILBOMB9]

I love how people are saying others should just stay home if they don't want to experience a rude, disorderly, sometimes nude and or flashing, profanic, and disrespectful fan...just WOW!!! I don't think alcohol should be banned, but I think there should be some kind of price paid for people who get in trouble by security a certain number of times, and yes, have breathalizer at the exits...you are a "PIECE" if you think it's bull. You could KILL someone!!

[RIPSean]

I'd ban it in the second half, But really, I don't get people who go and get WASTED at NFL games. I mean, you pay so much for a ticket, and then you drink so much that you can't even focus on the game or remember it the next day. I like to drink myself but come on now, control yourself.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Look, drinking is NOT the problem. Drinking is the EXCUSE.

Go to a bar or a club. Is drinking the problem?

No, the problem is A-HOLES.

Just ban the A-HOLES from football games the same way A-HOLES are thrown out of bars and clubs.

Shilsu, so far as I'm concerned the problem in many bars IS the alcohol. That's why I won't go into one unarmed.

Unfortunately if we threw all the a-holes out of every sports arena, nobody would be at the games. The problem is that the mid-level a-hole becomes a Grade A, flaming mo-fo when you put alcohol in their system. Up until that point they were probably a relatively decent person.

[vtfan414]

I think a simple compromise can be reached in this situation. I agree completely with previous posters that a family section should be created or maintained, with a ban on publicly offensive behaviour. To stop drunk driving the Redskins organization could work with local law enforcement to set up drunk driving checkpoints at certain points around the stadium after every game. However, if you have a sober driver taking you home and are not in the designated family section, then you should feel free to drink and enjoy the game as loudly and obnoxiously as you want. If proper avenues are provided for most people to find enjoyment then the problem should be solved.

[Koolblue13]

Shilsu, so far as I'm concerned the problem in many bars IS the alcohol. That's why I won't go into one unarmed.

Unfortunately if we threw all the a-holes out of every sports arena, nobody would be at the games. The problem is that the mid-level a-hole becomes a Grade A, flaming mo-fo when you put alcohol in their system. Up until that point they were probably a relatively decent person.:laugh: Yeah, kind of tough to keep the ******* jocks away from a football game.

[Koolblue13]

I bet this wouldn't be such a problem if we were blowing teams out. It would be as good for my liver as it is my heart. :)

[Chachie]

The law is the law and I'm not in favor of drunk driving. It is however wrong to assume that drinking at the game equates to drunk driving afterwards. You don't need 8 hours of sleep to sober up - you need enough time for your liver to rid your system of the alcohol (one hour per drink is a common rule of thumb). This means you can have a few beers and be fine to drive by the time the game ends.

Also where is this idea that any alochol leads to immediate violence? Idiots get violent and often the drinking is just an excuse. I have been going to bars for the last 7 years and have gotten completely wasted more times than I can count... not one fight. In fact none of my friends have gotten into a fight in that span either.


Des, you are one smooth character- but stop living in denial for the sake of this thread. :)

[One Shot]

And that is a legitimate concern. IMO, within the next 10 years all cars will have the steering wheel skin thing that measures your BAC. At least I would hope so.

Hmmm, that would be very good. I hope somebody is working on that right now.

[Koolblue13]

Hmmm, that would be very good. I hope somebody is working on that right now.Oh yeah, more safety features that are mandatory. I can take care of myself. As long as they don't use saftey features to take the old cars off the road, whatever.

[One Shot]

Oh yeah, more safety features that are mandatory. I can take care of myself. As long as they don't use saftey features to take the old cars off the road, whatever.

You might be able to take care of yourself. What about the thousands of others who can't?

[Koolblue13]

You might be able to take care of yourself. What about the thousands of others who can't?I'm nobodies mother. I'm just some guy. This is America, why should I not be able to drive a 29 T home from the bar, if i'm not drunk, just because some clowns can't. It's not my fault, don't punish me. I know drinking and driving is a problem, but it's not because of the laws.

[One Shot]

I'm nobodies mother. I'm just some guy. This is America, why should I not be able to drive a 29 T home from the bar, if i'm not drunk, just because some clowns can't. It's not my fault, don't punish me. I know drinking and driving is a problem, but it's not because of the laws.

I don't think it would affect the types of cars you can drive....it would be included in all cars. Plus, I wouldn't view it as a punishment. It would be doing you a favor to.....

[redskins0756]

No beer in the stadium that's the only thing I can think of. But the Skins won't do it because it's probably their biggest revenue as far as beverage goes.

[Drockvb]

This has been brought up before. Just do what they do in the MLB (sales stop in the 7th). They could stop selling alcohol in the 4th quarter. Thats when you should be concentrating on the game anyway. :2cents:

[Enter Apotheosis]

This has been brought up before. Just do what they do in the MLB (sales stop in the 7th). They could stop selling alcohol in the 4th quarter. Thats when you should be concentrating on the game anyway. :2cents:

They already do that.

[Koolblue13]

I don't think it would affect the types of cars you can drive....it would be included in all cars. If it was required in all cars, it would require an intricate wiring system, that your entire car would run on or it would be easily bipassed.


Plus, I wouldn't view it as a punishment. It would be doing you a favor to..... Oh, okay. I should let my gov't tell me what is okay and what isn't. My best interest. Gotcha...

[Drockvb]

They already do that.

LOL, so much for my idea. :laugh: I don't drink much at games. It's a long drive home.

[One Shot]

Oh, okay. I should let my gov't tell me what is okay and what isn't. My best interest. Gotcha...

What exactly are you talking about now....you've lost me. I think you are misunderstanding me, maybe.....or I might be misunderstanding you. What is your issue with having a BAC meter in cars....it would significantly reduce the number of fatalities caused by drunk drivers.

[81artmonk]

Intoxicate isn't a bad thing. A little buzz at the game is actually a lot of fun and perfectly legal. Beer is also a beverage just as hotdogs are food. Consuming either is perfectly legal.

Speaking of legal, your drunk driving comparison is laughable. Having a few beers at the game is completely legal and driving drunk is not. If you find drunk driving fun than you are enjoying breaking the law. If you find a good buzz at the game fun you aren't doing anything wrong. The two are not comparable.


Funny I thought that was what YOU were trying to do here. The few that want alcohol banned would love to ruin it for most people that don't. Like you said life isn't fair - watch the game from your sober living room.


What we have here is a prime example of people who want to act like jerks and do, who are taking over. courtesy has left the building and rude childlike behavior is winning.

The "I don't care, as long as it's not me" don't take away my fun which might be ruining someone elses fun attitude is winning. I was acually brought up with the attitude that if my actions affected another person around me, I felt bad and would stop out of common courtesy.

I guess now, F U is the rule of the day. I brought this up to another in one of my posts. Would you support me talking all through a movie you were attending because I wanted to talk. annoying you and not allowing you to enjoy the movie, because you can't deny me the right to do what makes me happy?? If it's not hurting anyone and perfectly legal??

we really live in a sad generation and what's really sad I'm not really that old and I think that.

[81artmonk]

I guess you just didn't like my response so you moved on?

What am I supposed to say. You basically have said it's danny's fault. which is pretty rudiculous. Ever heard of personal reponsibility, or common courtesy for your fellow man??

I agree that the NFL and beer aren't going to change anytime soon, which is why it falls to the fans who are for responsible drinking and enjoyment at a game to do something. Since most on here who have posted think it's the people who want to watch a game and not idiots, who are stupid, it's appearant not much will be done.

I guess stupid will rule the day and win out

[81artmonk]

The law is the law and I'm not in favor of drunk driving. It is however wrong to assume that drinking at the game equates to drunk driving afterwards. You don't need 8 hours of sleep to sober up - you need enough time for your liver to rid your system of the alcohol (one hour per drink is a common rule of thumb). This means you can have a few beers and be fine to drive by the time the game ends.

Also where is this idea that any alochol leads to immediate violence? Idiots get violent and often the drinking is just an excuse. I have been going to bars for the last 7 years and have gotten completely wasted more times than I can count... not one fight. In fact none of my friends have gotten into a fight in that span either.

common sense would solve this one. When do they stop selling beers?? 3rd or 4th quarter?? If you have been drinking before and during a game, let's for arguement sake use your idea, they are drinking during the game and stop with the last beer bought at the 3rd. That leaves about an hour before you leave the stadium after how many beers during a game??

Your rule of thumb may be right, but that would mean a person who has been consuming beers all game long, would need more than the 4th quarter in order to be sober enough to drive home.

[PokerPacker]

What exactly are you talking about now....you've lost me. I think you are misunderstanding me, maybe.....or I might be misunderstanding you. What is your issue with having a BAC meter in cars....it would significantly reduce the number of fatalities caused by drunk drivers.
i'm not giving the government permission to install devices in my vehicle

[Kosher Ham]

You never answered why you are harrassed.

And are you saying I am stupid for not standing behind this ?

I, for one, am all for getting rid of the idiots, but I am also against the potential overly PC people, that want to sit on their hands/butts and then b and moan about someone standing up when there is a bad call or important play.

I went to Redskins games as a kid and there was always cursing and the drunk guy, but it wan't ever a negative experience. It was always part of the experience.

Be a parent, and a man. Teach your children what to expect (not like they haven't heard it), and protect your wife.

[Toe Jam]

I've been to two games.

I didn't have a problem with the drinking and rowdiness. That's to be expected at an NFL game. There's not really anything to make such a fuss about.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

I, for one, am all for getting rid of the idiots, but I am also against the potential overly PC people, that want to sit on their hands/butts and then b and moan about someone standing up when there is a bad call or important play.

It's not the standing up that most of us have trouble with... it's the REMAINING STANDING for EXTENDED PERIODS of time (longer than 45-60 seconds) that we have problems with.

As for the cheering... that's up to the team on the field. If they do something worthy of praise they'll get it. If they do something worthy of scorn they'll get booed. If they do nothing noteworthy either way, I won't waste my breath.


Be a parent, and a man. Teach your children what to expect (not like they haven't heard it), and protect your wife.

Unfortunately it's tough to teach a child what they should expect when the entire stadium experience is contrary to what that should be, KH. At FedEx it's exactly that from what I hear and read.

As for protecting myself and the rest of my party... Fine. Just let me carry my pepper spray and an ASP (expandable baton) into the stadium, since I know they won't let me carry a firearm through the gate.

[headexplode]

I know a solution that everyone will enjoy. Ban Nascar fans. That'll solve about 90% of the problems discussed in this thread. That would significantly increase the collective IQ at FedEx, and rid us of the most drunken crazy ****s in the stadium.

Seriously, though, 81, if MSF is in agreement with you, perhaps you should rethink your position.

[Koolblue13]

What exactly are you talking about now....you've lost me. I think you are misunderstanding me, maybe.....or I might be misunderstanding you. What is your issue with having a BAC meter in cars....it would significantly reduce the number of fatalities caused by drunk drivers.

Sorry, I got off track and don't want to jack the thread.

[Koolblue13]

I know a solution that everyone will enjoy. Ban Nascar fans. That'll solve about 90% of the problems discussed in this thread. That would significantly increase the collective IQ at FedEx, and rid us of the most drunken crazy ****s in the stadium.

Seriously, though, 81, if MSF is in agreement with you, perhaps you should rethink your position.Oh yeah, because Jocks are so much more behaved than rednecks.

I would venture to guess, if they're at the games, it's because they are huge football fans, first.

[headexplode]

Oh yeah, because Jocks are so much more behaved than rednecks.

I would venture to guess, if they're at the games, it's because they are huge football fans, first.

Aw, Koolblue, are you a Nascar fan? You can admit it.

And anyway, I'm just joking. Kind of.

Maybe we should just ban sobriety. Everyone must be at least "this drunk" to attend the games. Even kids. No exceptions.

And no goddamn Nascar fans.

[Koolblue13]

Aw, Koolblue, are you a Nascar fan? You can admit it.

And anyway, I'm just joking. Kind of.

Maybe we should just ban sobriety. Everyone must be at least "this drunk" to attend the games. Even kids. No exceptions.

And no goddamn Nascar fans.Well, I sure as hell am! (in a good southern redneck voice)

I'm a fan of racing in general, mostly offroading. I used to race jeeps myself.

I figured you were joking, but threw it out anyway.

Football and Racing are the sports i'm into. My roomate and I are working on a racing lawn mower, for the county fair next year and I have a circle track in my back yard to race cars and demo derby. I have two races a year, called the Farmhouse Nationals. How's that for Jersey Redneck!:D

[stwasm]

Back on topic, please help me to understand something. I'm reading these posts and I'm seeing a lot of "I just get buzzed" or "it's part of the game." First, to quote a commercial currently running on the airwaves, "Buzzed driving IS drunk driving." Even if you've just had two or three drinks, if you're pulled over or you get into an accident, you still can be charged with DUI. And I ask this as someone who doesn't drink alcohol, but why do people say they NEED to drink at football games? It's almost as if they're saying they can't have a good time without doing so. I don't care if you drink alcohol in front of me. But, I have a HUGE problem with the excessive swearing, fighting and vomiting that comes from those who can't handle their liquor as it interferes with my enjoyment of the game. Can someone please explain this to me?

[btfoom]

Back on topic, please help me to understand something. I'm reading these posts and I'm seeing a lot of "I just get buzzed" or "it's part of the game." First, to quote a commercial currently running on the airwaves, "Buzzed driving IS drunk driving." Even if you've just had two or three drinks, if you're pulled over or you get into an accident, you still can be charged with DUI. And I ask this as someone who doesn't drink alcohol, but why do people say they NEED to drink at football games? It's almost as if they're saying they can't have a good time without doing so. I don't care if you drink alcohol in front of me. But, I have a HUGE problem with the excessive swearing, fighting and vomiting that comes from those who can't handle their liquor as it interferes with my enjoyment of the game. Can someone please explain this to me?

First, the commercial is supported by a special interest group (www.stopimpaireddriving.org (http://www.stopimpaireddriving.org/)) and not a factual statement. They state that:

"Drunk or impaired driving killed nearly 18,000 people in 2004. That's one person every 32 minutes. That makes it everyone's problem."

Unfortunately (or purposely, by them), they do not define 1) 'Drunk or Impaired driving' -or- 2) The definition of what they mean by '... driving killed ... people' (ie. do they count those involved directly in an accident, other accidents resulting from this driving, etc), -or- 3)where they get the 18000 number. This just makes me a little dubious of the whole discussion.

Second, just because one has had 'two or three drinks' does not mean that one can be charged with DUI. There are multiple factors that go into this. One needs to have a certain BAC (0.08 in MD) to be charged. There are many different ways to get there.

Now, on to the point of this thread (and your second point) - the bad behavior of some fans should be dealt with directly and quickly. If someone is swearing or being too loud - the security should tell them to stop. If they don't, they get escorted out. If someone is fighting/attempting to start a fight, have the police arrest them and take them out. If someone is vomiting, they should be taken to medical supervision (away from the game - and at their own expense should it be non-medical related) and not allowed back to their seats.

The problem I have with prohibiting drinking at games is that there is NOTHING illegal about it. The majority of law-abiding people who do not cause trouble should not be penalized by the few who do. <start rant> This is a big problem in society in general. Stop being so scared to directly punish a few who are causing a problem by cowardly banning ALL actions that may cause these issues.</end rant>

Last, my only explanation as to why some people act like this is that they can't control themselves (whether it is drinking too much or acting like an idiot after they do so). Kick them out (and if they do it at another game, revoke their tickets).

[E33Green]

People can cry all they want about restrictions but my mom drives by that stadium on her way to work, so i'd prefer her not be killed on the way by some drunk A-hole


Someone should invent a bracelet that can read your BAL and change color based on your levels.

Your Mom works on Sunday nights? What kind of job does she have? BTW, its BAC not BAL(timore)

[JimmyConway]

Now, on to the point of this thread (and your second point) - the bad behavior of some fans should be dealt with directly and quickly. If someone is swearing or being too loud - the security should tell them to stop. If they don't, they get escorted out. If someone is fighting/attempting to start a fight, have the police arrest them and take them out. If someone is vomiting, they should be taken to medical supervision (away from the game - and at their own expense should it be non-medical related) and not allowed back to their seats.

The problem I have with prohibiting drinking at games is that there is NOTHING illegal about it. The majority of law-abiding people who do not cause trouble should not be penalized by the few who do. <start rant> This is a big problem in society in general. Stop being so scared to directly punish a few who are causing a problem by cowardly banning ALL actions that may cause these issues.</end rant>

Last, my only explanation as to why some people act like this is that they can't control themselves (whether it is drinking too much or acting like an idiot after they do so). Kick them out (and if they do it at another game, revoke their tickets).

:applause: Should we just go ahead and close this thread now?

[E33Green]

:applause: Should we just go ahead and close this thread now?

No way man. We can easily beat this dead horse for another 10 pages...

[Kosher Ham]

The pussification of America continues.

[E33Green]

The pussification of America continues.

couldnt have said it better myself

[chiplohmillers#1]

I watched that special on the excessive drinking at games. The only credible argument was from the woman that lost her husband and child because some ******* drove drunk. That white collar upper class writer had options. If he was being harrassed then tell the Usher and they will take care of it. Instead he stormed out of the stadium (good riddance Bears fan) and then took his vengance out with his computer.
Honestly its probably a good thing he wont come back to the Skins game. Thats one more seat that we can fill with a real fan.

[edgun88]

Going to any place or event in which public drinking is present, you are taking a risk. If you don't like it then stay home, or go to the game knowing what it is going to be like. People need to be aware of what can happen when a bunch of intoxicated people are gathering.

[Mass_SkinsFan]

Going to any place or event in which public drinking is present, you are taking a risk. If you don't like it then stay home, or go to the game knowing what it is going to be like. People need to be aware of what can happen when a bunch of intoxicated people are gathering.

Which is exactly why I try not to go anywhere that intoxicated people congregate without being armed in some manner.

[Oldskool]

I'd personally like to see it completely eliminated from NFL stadiums. Not only is it a public safety issue with people leaving stadiums, not to mention the drunk idiots inhibiting the enjoyment of watching the game.

Pre-party in the lot, thats fine. Just not in the stadium.

[stwasm]

First, the commercial is supported by a special interest group (www.stopimpaireddriving.org (http://www.stopimpaireddriving.org/)) and not a factual statement. They state that:

"Drunk or impaired driving killed nearly 18,000 people in 2004. That's one person every 32 minutes. That makes it everyone's problem."

Unfortunately (or purposely, by them), they do not define 1) 'Drunk or Impaired driving' -or- 2) The definition of what they mean by '... driving killed ... people' (ie. do they count those involved directly in an accident, other accidents resulting from this driving, etc), -or- 3)where they get the 18000 number. This just makes me a little dubious of the whole discussion.

Second, just because one has had 'two or three drinks' does not mean that one can be charged with DUI. There are multiple factors that go into this. One needs to have a certain BAC (0.08 in MD) to be charged. There are many different ways to get there.

Now, on to the point of this thread (and your second point) - the bad behavior of some fans should be dealt with directly and quickly. If someone is swearing or being too loud - the security should tell them to stop. If they don't, they get escorted out. If someone is fighting/attempting to start a fight, have the police arrest them and take them out. If someone is vomiting, they should be taken to medical supervision (away from the game - and at their own expense should it be non-medical related) and not allowed back to their seats.

The problem I have with prohibiting drinking at games is that there is NOTHING illegal about it. The majority of law-abiding people who do not cause trouble should not be penalized by the few who do. <start rant> This is a big problem in society in general. Stop being so scared to directly punish a few who are causing a problem by cowardly banning ALL actions that may cause these issues.</end rant>

Last, my only explanation as to why some people act like this is that they can't control themselves (whether it is drinking too much or acting like an idiot after they do so). Kick them out (and if they do it at another game, revoke their tickets).

BTF, I understand your points. But, please don't misunderstand me. I'm not advocating banning alcohol. My question is why the people say "drinking is part of the game" or rationalizing why they "need" to drink because it is a football game. To me, the drunken behavior is out of control and the stadium needs to be more vigilant in removing people who can't handle their alcohol. I'll just never forget the image of a drunken fan spitting on a little girl just because she's wearing the jersey of another team.

[edgun88]

I'd personally like to see it completely eliminated from NFL stadiums. Not only is it a public safety issue with people leaving stadiums, not to mention the drunk idiots inhibiting the enjoyment of watching the game.

Pre-party in the lot, thats fine. Just not in the stadium.

That is something I could definately go for. As long as drinking is allowed in the parking lot, I wouldn't care if it wasn't allowed in the stadium. People could just get all trashed before the game and then it would wear off by the end of the game. Hence, less drukn driver's and less idiots.

[edgun88]

I'll just never forget the image of a drunken fan spitting on a little girl just because she's wearing the jersey of another team.


Now that is taking it too far. If I was her dad, I would have beat the living **** out of him.

[headexplode]

Now that is taking it too far. If I was her dad, I would have beat the living **** out of him.

That little **** probably deserved it.

[PleaseBlitz]

Pre-party in the lot, thats fine. Just not in the stadium.


That would do absolutely nothing.

[stwasm]

That is something I could definately go for. As long as drinking is allowed in the parking lot, I wouldn't care if it wasn't allowed in the stadium. People could just get all trashed before the game and then it would wear off by the end of the game. Hence, less drukn driver's and less idiots.

Not only that, half of them wouldn't even make it inside the stadium by kickoff.


Now that is taking it too far. If I was her dad, I would have beat the living **** out of him.

She was with another young woman and, after it happened, she just ushered the girl, who was crying, away from him. Disgusting!

[pjfootballer]

I voted ban only because I don't drink at games. I'm a social drinker and usually on 1 or 2. I know they will never get rid of alcohol as it makes a buttload of money for the teams and the league. I don't mind people drinking if they can hold their liquor and act civil. I've never understood why you would want to get so stinking drunk that you can't even remember the game. Also, why pay $7 for 1 beer when you can buy a cheap 6 pack at home for the same cost?

[edgun88]

That little **** probably deserved it.

:laugh: That is so messed up. I really hope your kidding.

[pmo33]

Gezz, when did I ever say social drinking was bad?? I said drunks. I've had a drunk guy get so upset at an Arizona game over his team losing to the Skins that he grabbed my wife and picked her up and tried to swing her around. Trying to get security after a game is like finding a needle in a haystack.

Like I said before, if you want a few beers to relax and enjoy the game go for it. But that's not what's happening and you know it. People are getting :pooh: faced before and during and that isn't cool



I am sure the above story is either made up or an exageration... If that in fact happened and you didn't do anything about it.. you sir are a complete wimp.

sorry but toughen up and deal with it.. its football , drinking has been going on since its start and will continue...

If you don't like the show.. change the channel.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Since people who drink ruin the experience for those who don't, your solution is to ban the people who aren't breaking the law, since those who are, out number those who aren't??

BTW, it's not that I don't like people drinking, it's when their drunk and being threatening to me, yelling at me, ruining my experience.

You want to drink a couple of beers druing the game go ahead, but drunks who are IMO about 60% of those attending, don't need to be there.

Well said.



Since you think drinking and drunken behavior is soo right at games, how about we also allow those who aren't drinking the right to bring weapons to the game to quiet those who are drunk and making it hard for those of us who really want to enjoy the LIVE game and not the TELEVISED one???

:applause:

[One Shot]

i'm not giving the government permission to install devices in my vehicle

It wouldn't be your vehicle. The device would be put in before you bought it.

In any case, we're not talking about a ****ing wiretap here.

[Monk4thaHALL]

I don't think that the problem occurs within the stadium. I think the most hardcore drinking occurs in the parking lots. At what point is the team, organization, league, stadium responsible? It's a fine line to draw.
I was shocked to see the amount of hard liquor that's consumed at some of these tailgates. I think HBO did a good thing by shining a light on this issue. It needs to be addressed on some level.

Yeah, I was in Seattle for our playoff game, in full Skins gear. In their (seattle) tailgate section with a bunch of other Skins fans and ES'ers
Do you think i was heckled? Yelled at?

Yes.

Did it stop there?

No.

It continued in the stadium as the drunk came to their seats.
Profanity and even some physical encounters are what I faced all day. No fight, but damn near deadly in the amount of insults I received...it totally numbed me.


. . .BTW there is a non-alcohol section in most NFL stadiums

And I was sitting in the "Family section" at Qwest field during our playoff game. There was a sign in the section saying "no alcohol in this section."

Were there drunk Seattle fans yelling at me?
YES!

Did people show up with alcoholic drinks in their hand?
Yes.

Did the stadium stop selling beer at halftime?
Yes.

Did it have any influence on those already drunk?
NO!

You need to do more than call a section a "family zone."

Doesn't stop someone who has been drinking for the last 3 hours, who may have consumed as much as 8 to 10 (or more) alcoholic drinks from getting to their seat and being pissed drunk for the next 2 to 3 hours...does it?


I saw the same story of that woman who lost her family after a game to a drunk driving accident. It sucks, but **** happens. It was an isolated incident.

DISCLAIMER: (I mean this in no way to offend you or by way of threat or otherwise)....But, wait and see how you feel after that happens to your family or to you personally...I mean get a grip. DUI/DWI is a big problem in this country. Is any game worth the cost of life?????


As for behavior, I am reminded of a Bill Cosby bit about cocaine: (guy) "I use it because it enhances my personality." (response): 'Really, well what if you are an a-hole to begin with?'

Exactly!
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This may be a topic that has been beaten into the ground, however I feel it's one worth trying to get right before giving up on it.

And yes because of sponsorship, alcohol is a staple at NFL stadiums.

Does it make it right?


And maybe because I was a travelling fan I endured a substantially higher level of drunkenness and insults. But aside from backing away from someone yelling in my face...I like the O.P. stance. Let me shut the fool up.

But that is not even realistic.

Why should I face murder 1 when some drunk fool is yelling in my face?(if I were to do as the O.P. said and have a weapon available) Why would I like to go to jail for a physical assault on some drunk? Or face legal action afterword? Or try to take on 4 or 5 of the opposing team's fans, while in the opposing stadium?

That's why those who have never traveled to watch the Skins don't know the level of insult you can get in an opposing stadium.

And when the situation is turned around...when it's a home game...

Why would I sit silent when some drunk Skins' fan was doing the exact same thing to someone else of another team?

I mean, it's all about how you feel people should be treated. And it's all about whether you respect yourself and others around you.

I BTW am a casual drinker. I have had nights where I've been far over the line, thankfully I've had friends who have saved me more often than not.

I think of alcohol, now that I'm a little bit older (not that I'm old mind you, but older than 21 or 22 fresh out of college) as something that can ruin your life if you're not very careful. Alcohol is a loaded weapon.
.

[Monk4thaHALL]

.. you sir are a complete wimp.

sorry but toughen up and deal with it.. its football , drinking has been going on since its start and will continue...

If you don't like the show.. change the channel.

And you are the antithesis of strong.

Napoleon complex?

Big words on efin message board, doesn't give you clout.

[Monk4thaHALL]

i'm not giving the government permission to install devices in my vehicle

What like the seat belt? Anti-lock brakes? Rear bumper sensors? Rear Viewer?
Stop saving my life Big Brother!

I mean, you have heard of "On-Star" right? There is a device that monitors everything about your car...except you. And there are people on the other end who can be notified from your car via On-Star, if your car gets into an accident...people who call the Police or EMS for you, if you are unable. That's just downright invasive <--(sarcasm)

If it weren't for the fact that people died too easily in cars back in the 50s & 60s & 70s...then the govt. would never have regulated that car companies make safer cars.(ie: Air-bag). Anyone?
There is a standard that cars have to live up to (in terms of safety features).


It's not like the Police are going to descend upon you and take you away to the pokey, like in Minority Report, before you even do something.
It's more like the car just won't start if you are over the legal limit.

It's kind of like...you have a BAC device installed in all new cars...but less intrusive than some sort-of breathing apparatus, a technology where u place your hands on the steering wheel and there is a reading of the driver's BAC, you either get the green light or red.
If red, when you try to start the car, nothing happens until you are sober, or until you get a sober person behind the wheel.

This happens to people who get arrested and convicted of DUI/DWI (the breathing apparatus part I mean. It happens to some at least). Not to mention the loss of license and insurance rate hikes. The govt. will do it...they just need a reason.

So if law makers and the public are unwilling to have a technological advance installed into cars, that saves lives and treats you, the owner of the vehicle with the burden of responsibility(ie: not drink and drive)...then the govt. will take your tax dollars and pay the Police to catch you when you break the law by driving after drinking. Which happens now. Money spent on more check-points, more Police monitoring the traffic, trying to find the random drunk out of the many slightly inebriated.

So bypass the Police and the tax dollars and prevent the car from starting if the driver has alcohol in their system.

A technology where it would have to respond to someone initially sitting in the seat and then placing their hands on the wheel for verification. One that could recognize gloves or latex as opposed to real flesh, in order to get an accurate reading. One that could disable the vehicle ( in a safe manor ) if the driver were to be drinking at the wheel. (ex) the driver is sober upon entering the vehicle and successfully starts the car but progresses to become intoxicated and the device recognizes it through the steering wheel and stops the car. One that would require constant hand contact with the wheel, while the engine is running, for the exception of 20 or 30 seconds...say when you stop at a red light and relax your hands.

I would be most definitely opposed to this idea if there was a direct link between the Police and the device. I am all for the car not starting if the driver has been drinking, then the individual would have to wait until the alcohol passes through their system and try again. I'm against any notification to authorities of a car that doesn't start due to driver impairment. The fact the the person can't drive is good enough for me.

I'm all for stopping the problem before it begins.

[Monk4thaHALL]

oh, and if the govt. does not mandate this at some point, that all new cars have these type of monitors in them...


And the technology was available from some sort-of private company...

then I bet your bottom dollar, that there would be parents of teenage drivers across this country, lining up and signing up for this service, in order to ensure that their kids don't drink and drive and kill themselves or others.

[MissU28]

Well I have been to Arizona,Seattle,San Fransico,San Diego,Houston and none of those stadiums offer that.



Qualcomm has a family section.

[Monk4thaHALL]

I liken the 'drink responcibly' slogans that are added to the end of alcoholic commercials to the 'use abstinence' approach to sex education...

They really don't work because they are not addressing the problem that once you start...it's hard to stop.

So at least use education in the matter. If you drink, then realize that your judgements are biased and you most likely will defend your ability to drive after having 'a few.'

If someone is unable to stop drinking before they drive...or they allow themselves to drive even with the most insignificant amount of alcohol in their system and they get away with it...then they are more inclined to do it again...but maybe more-so, with more alcohol, until it's too late. All the while lying to themselves that they make great decisions as to 'when is when.'

The only way to stop drunk people from driving is to develop a technology that doesn't allow the car to start with a driver who has consumed alcohol...the individual who has been drinking is unreliable ( and so has Society for that matter) to make that decision on their own...(proof) there have been too many deaths or injuries or whatever due to alcohol and driving. (sorry no stats...it's common knowledge right?)

So just stop them from being able to start the car altogether.

[Monk4thaHALL]

Qualcomm has a family section.

See post #138

The "family section" in NFL stadiums is not a McDonald's playground...or a grassy field with blankets and picnic baskets.

[E33Green]

I liken the 'drink responcibly' slogans that are added to the end of alcoholic commercials to the 'use abstinence' approach to sex education...

They really don't work because they are not addressing the problem that once you start...it's hard to stop.

So at least use education in the matter. If you drink, then realize that your judgements are biased and you most likely will defend your ability to drive after having 'a few.'

If someone is unable to stop drinking before they drive...or they allow themselves to drive even with the most insignificant amount of alcohol in their system and they get away with it...then they are more inclined to do it again...but maybe more-so, with more alcohol, until it's too late. All the while lying to themselves that they make great decisions as to 'when is when.'

The only way to stop drunk people from driving is to develop a technology that doesn't allow the car to start with a driver who has consumed alcohol...the individual who has been drinking is unreliable ( and so has Society for that matter) to make that decision on their own...(proof) there have been too many deaths or injuries or whatever due to alcohol and driving. (sorry no stats...it's common knowledge right?)

So just stop them from being able to start the car altogether.

This wouldn't work cause they could just have a sober friend blow in it for them. Haven't you seen "The 40 Year Old Virgin"?

[One Shot]

Monk4thahall owns this page.

[81artmonk]

You never answered why you are harrassed.

And are you saying I am stupid for not standing behind this ?

I, for one, am all for getting rid of the idiots, but I am also against the potential overly PC people, that want to sit on their hands/butts and then b and moan about someone standing up when there is a bad call or important play.

I went to Redskins games as a kid and there was always cursing and the drunk guy, but it wan't ever a negative experience. It was always part of the experience.

Be a parent, and a man. Teach your children what to expect (not like they haven't heard it), and protect your wife.

Ok, I will give you a stanard expeience I have no matter what game I attend. I've been to see the Redskins in Arizona, Seattle, Houston,and San Fransico.
The most basic thing that happens is I sit next to some goup of fans who needs a beer every 15 mins. So between beers and peeing, they are getting up and walking through us to get out.

Second, at alomost every venue, they are screaming non-stop for nothing. The game could be in a tv time-out and they are yelling.

In the middle of the game, the feel the need to discuss some important issue related to the Redskins while I am trying to watch the game.

Being a Redskins fan, they are trash talking through out the WHOLE game.

I don't consider myself pc, but if I pay $100 a ticket, I really do want to watch the game without having to be disturbed by all this UNNECESSARY behavior.

Maybe it's me, but I get up at the most 3 times in a game. 1 to eat. and maybe twice to pee.

[81artmonk]

[QUOTE] [QUOTE=btfoom]
The problem I have with prohibiting drinking at games is that there is NOTHING illegal about it. The majority of law-abiding people who do not cause trouble should not be penalized by the few who do. <start rant> This is a big problem in society in general. Stop being so scared to directly punish a few who are causing a problem by cowardly banning ALL actions that may cause these issues.</end rant>


Well yes there is someting illegal. Inside the stadium where they sell it, of course it isn't. However, the tailgating drinking is illegal, called pubic intoxication. If you were to tailgate in your local wal-mart parking lot, and drank alcohol, the police would bust you if caught.

This isn't an opinion, it's fact. It is illegal to drink during a tailgate.

[Monk4thaHALL]

This wouldn't work cause they could just have a sober friend blow in it for them.

See post #140

Not a breath-a-lizer.

A technology that can accurately read the BAC of an individual by way of contact...through the skin or by way of the sweat on the hand...something

You know, all that year 2000 future stuff.

[PokerPacker]

See post #140

Not a breath-a-lizer.

A technology that can accurately read the BAC of an individual by way of contact...through the skin or by way of the sweat on the hand...something

You know, all that year 2000 future stuff.
i don't care what kind of drug-testing device it is, i'll never drive in a car with one of them things.

[Riggins77]

Someone should invent a bracelet that can read your BAL and change color based on your levels. Yeah, because a bracelet worn on your wrist can measure your blood alcohol level inside your body :doh:

[PleaseBlitz]

If some drunk does something that harms your puritan game-watching experience, you should man up and punch him in the ****ing face.

[Riggins77]

Gezz, when did I ever say social drinking was bad?? I said drunks. I've had a drunk guy get so upset at an Arizona game over his team losing to the Skins that he grabbed my wife and picked her up and tried to swing her around. The last time someone put their hands on my wife was in a mosh pit at Lollapalooza '93. I gave him a elbow to the nose that broke it, knocked his friend on his ass and me and my wife (GF at the time) ran like hell.

Next time someone touches your wife at a game, smack that ****er in the mouth.

[Monk4thaHALL]

i don't care what kind of drug-testing device it is, i'll never drive in a car with one of them things.

Then I vote you for recipient of the Darwin award.

I can see where this may offend people who think that technology is trying to replace the human element in decision making. My point is that human decision making, after a couple of beers, is way worse then without.

care to disagree? Or do you think we needlessly have to keep losing lives on the road because of drunk drivers...or slightly impaired drivers?

So, maybe this type of thing is not exactly like the seat-belt or Airbag...because one's own mental and/or physical capabilty is not being challenged by an Airbag. It would however save lives, you can't argue that.

Perhaps someday, someone will think that this is a good idea.

I mean, back in the 80s, do you think the average person thought we needed an Airbag in cars? Probably not.

Is it standard equipment today?
Yes.

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So maybe in 20 years you won't have the choice to say no to sobriety. Maybe that decision will already be made for you, by those who value life and care to make everyone safe.

Maybe if and when you have kids (maybe u already do) then you may value the life of your kids enough, to have such technology. Maybe piece of mind is knowing that your kids can't drive a car after drinking, because of technology.

[Riggins77]

That's PART of the reason why I have no plans in the near or distant future to attend a game at FedEx Field. Oh come on now, we all know the real reason that you don't attend games at FedEx Field is because you are always in Gillette Stadium watching your Patriots play every Sunday.

[Riggins77]

Alcohol lowers inhibitions, thus making fans a little more rowdy and loud. The stadium pretty much wants you to drink. I agree with the stadium, I want to drink too!:cheers:

[Riggins77]

Shilsu, so far as I'm concerned the problem in many bars IS the alcohol. That's why I won't go into one unarmed.

So you carry your trusty halbred and go to the bars in your chainmail?

[PleaseBlitz]

So maybe in 20 years you won't have the choice to say no to sobriety. Maybe that decision will already be made for you, by those who value life and care to make everyone safe.

Maybe if and when you have kids (maybe u already do) then you may value the life of your kids enough, to have such technology. Maybe piece of mind is knowing that your kids can't drive a car after drinking, because of technology.

You should read 1984 by George Orwell.

http://myopinionsareimportant.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/1984-movie-bb_a1.jpg

[Riggins77]

Unfortunately it's tough to teach a child what they should expect when the entire stadium experience is contrary to what that should be, KH. At FedEx it's exactly that from what I hear and read.
Not true, I went to the Cowboys/Skins game and never heard any cursing, from either fans. I did see one fight about break out in the bathroom, but it was a lot of yelling back and forth and never amounted to anything.

[Riggins77]

Which is exactly why I try not to go anywhere that intoxicated people congregate without being armed in some manner. Thug Life?....:laugh:

[Kosher Ham]

See post #140

Not a breath-a-lizer.

A technology that can accurately read the BAC of an individual by way of contact...through the skin or by way of the sweat on the hand...something

You know, all that year 2000 future stuff.

These are already made by Nissan and Toyota (but they are working out the wrinkles to perfect it.) Apparently there were a bunch of drunk accidents in Japan, so the companies addressed it. Do a google search and I am pretty sure you will find it. It was invented a few years back by a guy whose son was in an accident and suffered brain damage.


i don't care what kind of drug-testing device it is, i'll never drive in a car with one of them things.

Why ? Do you plan on driving drunk and being irresponsible ?


Yeah, because a bracelet worn on your wrist can measure your blood alcohol level inside your body :doh:

Actually they already use the ones for you ankles, that do that. I think they are called SCRAM bracelets, they check every 30 minutes.

[PokerPacker]

Then I vote you for recipient of the Darwin award.

I can see where this may offend people who think that technology is trying to replace the human element in decision making. My point is that human decision making, after a couple of beers, is way worse then without.

care to disagree? Or do you think we needlessly have to keep losing lives on the road because of drunk drivers...or slightly impaired drivers?

So, maybe this type of thing is not exactly like the seat-belt or Airbag...because one's own mental and/or physical capabilty is not being challenged by an Airbag. It would however save lives, you can't argue that.

Perhaps someday, someone will think that this is a good idea.

I mean, back in the 80s, do you think the average person thought we needed an Airbag in cars? Probably not.

Is it standard equipment today?
Yes.

__

So maybe in 20 years you won't have the choice to say no to sobriety. Maybe that decision will already be made for you, by those who value life and care to make everyone safe.

Maybe if and when you have kids (maybe u already do) then you may value the life of your kids enough, to have such technology. Maybe piece of mind is knowing that your kids can't drive a car after drinking, because of technology.
If you want to get a brethalyzer in your car, that's your prerogative, but i will not submit myself to the ever-growing nanny state that our country is becoming. i'd rather take responsibility for myself than to allow the government or anyone else take on that duty. if you think i'm gonna go out drinking and driving just because i refuse to have some monitoring machine tell me what i can and can't do, then you either don't know me well or you underestimate me. either way, i hope you enjoy the company of your big brother because i sure as hell don't.

[PokerPacker]

Why ? Do you plan on driving drunk and being irresponsible ?
"do you mind if i have a look at what's in your trunk?".
yes, i sure as hell DO mind. i have nothing to hide, but dammit, i'm not letting you into my car just so i can prove my innocence.

[Kosher Ham]

"do you mind if i have a look at what's in your trunk?".
yes, i sure as hell DO mind. i have nothing to hide, but dammit, i'm not letting you into my car just so i can prove my innocence.

That's not at all what he or I are suggesting. Surely I don't want to give up my right to privacy, and this in no way does that.

It is a device used to prevent you from driving drunk. There is no big brother or police involvement. It is made to protect you and others. Same as airbags, anti-lock brakes, seatbelts, the third brakelight, turning signals on the mirrors, back-up camera's, etc.

Why would you be against something like that ? Seems unreasonable really.

[Kosher Ham]

http://www.arrivealivetech.com/

http://www.arrivealivetech.com/100110/images/wheel.gif

Before Starting Car

1. Any time alcohol is consumed in excess, there is a change to the toxicity in the body, which is detectable through perspiration and other means at the dermal layer of the hand.

The steering wheel with embedded galvanic sensors monitor the driver's body through a combination of methods including temperature and insensible perspiration analysis to determine if the person is impaired with alcohol or other substances.

2. Control system circuitry with a cutoff switch in the vehicle's ignition system receives a signal if alcohol is detected above the legal limit.

3. The cutoff switch interrupts the flow of electric current that is required to start the engine.


After Starting Car

The timing circuit continually monitors the driver for alcohol impairment. If impairment is detected, the system can be configured to warn the driver of his condition, flash the vehicle's exterior lights, cause the horn to beep continually, or to decelerate the car after a predetermined warning period.

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As alcohol is ingested, it is absorbed into a persons' blood stream and distributed via the circulatory system throughout the body. Alcohol is then eliminated from the body by either being metabolized or excreted in unaltered form.

Once consumed, alcohol is seen in the body as ethyl alcohol molecules. Approximately 90% of the consumed alcohol is eliminated from the body by the converting the ethyl alcohol molecules to carbon dioxide and water. A small percentage of the consumed alcohol is excreted in an unaltered form via urine, breath, saliva, perspiration/sweat or where ever water is removed from the body.

This unaltered alcohol which permeates from the skin in perspiration is called insensible perspiration. Although this is a small percentage of the total amount of alcohol consumed, it can be accurately measured and used to determine the percent of alcohol in a persons blood.

The Arrive Alive system's passive detection of alcohol through contact with the drivers skin is accomplished by monitoring for the presence of alcohol through insensible perspiration, along with other complimentary biomedical metrics. The unique characteristic of the Arrive Alive system is that of consistent contact with the driver, as the sensor technology is integrated into the steering wheel of the motor vehicle. This eliminates the potential for the system to be compromised through inputs from a passenger or other person. Consistent contact with the driver also provides for system awareness of alcohol consumption after the car is started. Anytime the system detects that the alcohol level in the driver's body exceeds predetermined thresholds, action is then taken to limit or prevent the operation of the vehicle.

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And again you would be against this why ?

[vtfan414]

http://www.arrivealivetech.com/

http://www.arrivealivetech.com/100110/images/wheel.gif

Before Starting Car

1. Any time alcohol is consumed in excess, there is a change to the toxicity in the body, which is detectable through perspiration and other means at the dermal layer of the hand.

The steering wheel with embedded galvanic sensors monitor the driver's body through a combination of methods including temperature and insensible perspiration analysis to determine if the person is impaired with alcohol or other substances.

2. Control system circuitry with a cutoff switch in the vehicle's ignition system receives a signal if alcohol is detected above the legal limit.

3. The cutoff switch interrupts the flow of electric current that is required to start the engine.


After Starting Car

The timing circuit continually monitors the driver for alcohol impairment. If impairment is detected, the system can be configured to warn the driver of his condition, flash the vehicle's exterior lights, cause the horn to beep continually, or to decelerate the car after a predetermined warning period.

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As alcohol is ingested, it is absorbed into a persons' blood stream and distributed via the circulatory system throughout the body. Alcohol is then eliminated from the body by either being metabolized or excreted in unaltered form.

Once consumed, alcohol is seen in the body as ethyl alcohol molecules. Approximately 90% of the consumed alcohol is eliminated from the body by the converting the ethyl alcohol molecules to carbon dioxide and water. A small percentage of the consumed alcohol is excreted in an unaltered form via urine, breath, saliva, perspiration/sweat or where ever water is removed from the body.

This unaltered alcohol which permeates from the skin in perspiration is called insensible perspiration. Although this is a small percentage of the total amount of alcohol consumed, it can be accurately measured and used to determine the percent of alcohol in a persons blood.

The Arrive Alive system's passive detection of alcohol through contact with the drivers skin is accomplished by monitoring for the presence of alcohol through insensible perspiration, along with other complimentary biomedical metrics. The unique characteristic of the Arrive Alive system is that of consistent contact with the driver, as the sensor technology is integrated into the steering wheel of the motor vehicle. This eliminates the potential for the system to be compromised through inputs from a passenger or other person. Consistent contact with the driver also provides for system awareness of alcohol consumption after the car is started. Anytime the system detects that the alcohol level in the driver's body exceeds predetermined thresholds, action is then taken to limit or prevent the operation of the vehicle.

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And again you would be against this why ?

What if you wear gloves?

[Kosher Ham]

What if you wear gloves?

This is the one of the things that Toyota and Nissan are working on.

My guess is that without detection it won't start either. I also read that they are working on sensors that would detect erratic steering and unfocused pupils. I think I read in Popular Science, but who knows. IIRC, Toyota plans on having these by the end of next year, which means they are pretty close to reality.

I would much rather spend my tax dollars on cops preventing others crimes (gangs, drugs, domestic, rape, robbery, murder, etc), than this; which seems like it can be fixed. I get pissed having to stop at a checkpoint when all I want to do is get home.

[One Shot]

If you want to get a brethalyzer in your car, that's your prerogative, but i will not submit myself to the ever-growing nanny state that our country is becoming. i'd rather take responsibility for myself than to allow the government or anyone else take on that duty. if you think i'm gonna go out drinking and driving just because i refuse to have some monitoring machine tell me what i can and can't do, then you either don't know me well or you underestimate me. either way, i hope you enjoy the company of your big brother because i sure as hell don't.


big brother is in no way involved in this. This isn't about civil liberties and what violates them......we're talking about a simply BAC meter that is installed in cars. That's it. No government, no FBI, none of that. It's just you and your BAC. Just like you and your airbag, you and your seatbelt, and you and your radio.

[Koolblue13]

big brother is in no way involved in this. This isn't about civil liberties and what violates them......we're talking about a simply BAC meter that is installed in cars. That's it. No government, no FBI, none of that. It's just you and your BAC. Just like you and your airbag, you and your seatbelt, and you and your radio.A radio is not a saftey feature, but anyway, Who would mandate the installation of this device?

If they made a car without airbags or abs, I would consider buying it. I turn off my bags and unplug my abs and wish I didn't have to spend more to buy a car because they are installed.

I am also against seat belt and helmet laws, although I wear them anyway.

[RonJeremy]

Are you all still talking about drinking at games? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/dandrewhall/0086.gif


Nothing is going to change....so just roll with it.

[PleaseBlitz]

Are you all still talking about drinking at games? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/dandrewhall/0086.gif


Nothing is going to change....so just roll with it.


:laugh:

They know nothing is going to change, so their only course of action is to :cry: about it.

[Monk4thaHALL]

You should read 1984 by George Orwell.

LOL.

You assume I haven't?
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Have you read any of my previous posts?

Did you notice the distinction I made between technology that saves life (ie: Seat-belt / Airbag) and then my point about "On-Star"?

Did you happen to notice at the end of my rambling how I stated that I would never be in favor of such technology, if the Police were some how connected to this safety feature?

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Besides, the idea that govt. oppression would be as clear as day, like the Gestapo, rather than by calculated shadowplay, I find not realistic. At least in the modern world.

The eradication of the middle class in this country is a far more scary future to me...and it's done by clandestine precision...not overtly, as you seem to think it would happen (ie: 1984)

Likewise, any spying the govt. did on you or I is done so cleverly, that you or I are none the wiser...it's not done right in front of your face.

I see your 1984 and raise you "Brazil" - Terry Gilliam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Gilliam)

(Or) Ayn Rand - "Anthem" (or) "THX - 1138"



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Besides, who am I to stop you from drinking and driving.

[Kosher Ham]

Are you all still talking about drinking at games? http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/dandrewhall/0086.gif


Nothing is going to change....so just roll with it.

What is the title of the thread ? Didn't you know when you clicked ? :rolleyes:


:laugh:

They know nothing is going to change, so their only course of action is to :cry: about it.

I don't want it to change, but certainly I see drunk driving as a problem that should be addressed.

[Monk4thaHALL]

If they made a car without airbags or abs, I would consider buying it. I am also against seat belt and helmet laws, although I wear them anyway.

Do you wear your helmet inside the car, without the seatbelt?

Or do you wear your seatbelt without helmet on your bike?


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Just curious.

[pjfootballer]

Going to any place or event in which public drinking is present, you are taking a risk. If you don't like it then stay home, or go to the game knowing what it is going to be like. People need to be aware of what can happen when a bunch of intoxicated people are gathering.

I understand it's a risk, but why should I have to stay home and not be able to enjoy something whether it's a sporting event or any other event, because some people choose to drink too much and act like an ass? So, sober people aren't allowed to leave their house?

If you want to go to a game, get falling down, puking stinking drunk, just keep it and your mouth to yourself. The problem with alcohol is it make people braver than they usually are.

I went to a minor league hockey game in Memphis about 15 years ago and this middle aged man was so drunk that he was trying to get the crowd going all the while holding a beer in his hand and switching hands with the beer during his cheer. Then, about 10 minutes later, I heard the crowd behind me scream and I thought it was a fight. Nope. Everyone was clearing out because this jackass was throwing up liquid/yellow puke down the front of him. The police came to get him and had to use latex gloves and literally drug him down the stairs because he couldn't walk.

What kind of fun was that? So drunk you can't remember the game, throw up on yourself and get to spend a night in the klink. Congratulations, I guess drinking makes you a man. Good for you.

[81artmonk]

The last time someone put their hands on my wife was in a mosh pit at Lollapalooza '93. I gave him a elbow to the nose that broke it, knocked his friend on his ass and me and my wife (GF at the time) ran like hell.

Next time someone touches your wife at a game, smack that ****er in the mouth.

That's good advice, but since she was pregnant, had we been jumped my actions would have jepodized not only me but my wife and kid. Not to mention, I live by the same standard I was taught in football. It's always the second guy who throws a punch who gets caught.

[Monk4thaHALL]

[QUOTE=81artmonk]QUOTE]

81ArtMonk,

Sorry if I hijacked your thread...I'll try to keep it more toward the original topic.

[PleaseBlitz]

I don't want it to change, but certainly I see drunk driving as a problem that should be addressed.

I agree.

Drinking = A-OK

Drinking & Driving = Completely retarded.



Personally, i take the Metro to most games.

[One Shot]

I am also against seat belt and helmet laws, although I wear them anyway.

lol well that would explain a lot then.

[RonJeremy]

What is the title of the thread ? Didn't you know when you clicked ? :rolleyes:



I don't want it to change, but certainly I see drunk driving as a problem that should be addressed.

Of course I knew what this thread was about....was surprised to see it bumped to the top...*see dead horse reference*.


Drunk driving is a problem everywhere...it is stupid....I am sure we could all agree on that 10 pages ago...the thread was supposed to be about drinkink AT games....just sayin'.

[81artmonk]

I've been amazed at the apathy in this one. However, alot of people have made comments like "if you don't like it go home", or "I can't enjoy a game without drinking".


That's pretty sad. If that is truely the case, than it's worse than expected. I would strongly say that if that is how you feel, that you can't enjoy a game without drinking than many of you have a serious problem and need AA or some kind rehab help seriously!!

Cause seriously, if you need alcohol to enjoy something, you have a problem.

[RonJeremy]

I've been amazed at the apathy in this one. However, alot of people have made comments like "if you don't like it go home", or "I can't enjoy a game without drinking".


That's pretty sad. If that is truely the case, than it's worse than expected. I would strongly say that if that is how you feel, that you can't enjoy a game without drinking than many of you have a serious problem and need AA or some kind rehab help seriously!!

Cause seriously, if you need alcohol to enjoy something, you have a problem.

A large majority of people that drink before/during a game are not drunken idiots. So, stop painting the majority of us with a such a broad stroke.

[rdsknbill]

A large majority of people that drink before/during a game are not drunken idiots. So, stop painting the majority of us with a such a broad stroke.


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!

[rdsknbill]

I've been amazed at the apathy in this one. However, alot of people have made comments like "if you don't like it go home", or "I can't enjoy a game without drinking".


That's pretty sad. If that is truely the case, than it's worse than expected. I would strongly say that if that is how you feel, that you can't enjoy a game without drinking than many of you have a serious problem and need AA or some kind rehab help seriously!!

Cause seriously, if you need alcohol to enjoy something, you have a problem.


You know what? I would almost lay money that you never saw Art Monk play a down in person.

I have been going to Redskins games since the early 70's, and drinking has always gone on. Maybe we were a kinder gentler group of fans back then.

Yes there is a VERY small minority of fans that use an NFL game to get absolutley bombed (in EVERY NFL CITY THAT EXISTS), do I condone that? I give you an emphatic NO. However, there are responsible people that frequent Redskins, and other teams games that enjoy some pre-game libations and bbqing. Want to take that away too? Why doesn't the NFL just make it pay per view and not have fans at the game at all. They could pipe in crowd noise like they do in Seattle. Would that make you feel better?

I have taken all three of my kids and my wife to their first NFL games at Fed EX, like I was taken by my Dad and my grandfather to RFK, and never had an incident.

The only time that I had a REAL confrontation was when I was give free tix to the rat hole known as Veterans stadium where some idiot Eagles fan dumped a beer on my son at age 9. Did I get into a "confrontation"? No, I pulled the guy over a row of seats and got "a little physical" with him.

I am sorry that this happened to you and your wife, I really am. I just think that you are painting a broad stroke of fans that is just unwarranted. :2cents:

[Walking Deadman]

I think this is an issue and actually after watching Real Sports, I'm more concerned about Drinking and Driving than anything else.

You won't get a lecture or a condemnation by me of the people who like to drink at games b/c depending on who I'm with and what mood I'm in, I'll drink a few beers. I don't see a problem kicking back with friends, eating food that will take years off our lives and having some beers/booze.

I just hope you're like me and know when to stop and to be responsible for your actions. That's the big issue in modern society, too many people don't take responsibilty for their actions. The "I bought a ticket so I can be a complete and total jackass and drink so much I can't walk and puke and start fights, drive home drunk and do what ever I want and you shouldn't be able to stop me" attitude is the problem. You do affect others when you get ****faced.

In no way will games ever be "dry". And even if it was, how do you enforce it on 90,000 people (what a couple thousand tailgates?) with maybe a 100 or so police officers out there? Not possible.

[81artmonk]

You know what? I would almost lay money that you never saw Art Monk play a down in person.

I have been going to Redskins games since the early 70's, and drinking has always gone on. Maybe we were a kinder gentler group of fans back then.

Yes there is a VERY small minority of fans that use an NFL game to get absolutley bombed (in EVERY NFL CITY THAT EXISTS), do I condone that? I give you an emphatic NO. However, there are responsible people that frequent Redskins, and other teams games that enjoy some pre-game libations and bbqing. Want to take that away too? Why doesn't the NFL just make it pay per view and not have fans at the game at all. They could pipe in crowd noise like they do in Seattle. Would that make you feel better?

I have taken all three of my kids and my wife to their first NFL games at Fed EX, like I was taken by my Dad and my grandfather to RFK, and never had an incident.

The only time that I had a REAL confrontation was when I was give free tix to the rat hole known as Veterans stadium where some idiot Eagles fan dumped a beer on my son at age 9. Did I get into a "confrontation"? No, I pulled the guy over a row of seats and got "a little physical" with him.

I am sorry that this happened to you and your wife, I really am. I just think that you are painting a broad stroke of fans that is just unwarranted. :2cents:

I love people like you who read, but don't understand. Or maybe don't even read. Did I paint you as a drunk idiot?? No, go back and read what I said and than respond again based on what I acually wrote.

[rdsknbill]

I read it Still :jerk:

[smoked]

I could careless about the drinking at the game. I had a dude two seats down smoking a bowl in front of my 12 year old son. There was NO security in sight.

[Kosher Ham]

I've been amazed at the apathy in this one. However, alot of people have made comments like "if you don't like it go home", or "I can't enjoy a game without drinking".


That's pretty sad. If that is truely the case, than it's worse than expected. I would strongly say that if that is how you feel, that you can't enjoy a game without drinking than many of you have a serious problem and need AA or some kind rehab help seriously!!

Cause seriously, if you need alcohol to enjoy something, you have a problem.

I don't think anyone stated they needed to drink at a game. Hell, I drink beer when I watch at home.


I love people like you who read, but don't understand. Or maybe don't even read. Did I paint you as a drunk idiot?? No, go back and read what I said and than respond again based on what I acually wrote.

I only posted the the first quote of yours, because it is a pretty broad stroke that you are using, throughout most of the thread.

Just because I drink and party with my friends prior to a game does not mean I have to, nor does it mean when I do that I am a "drunk idiot". Simply it's my preference or choice as an adult of legal drinking age.

Taking alcohol out of the game experience is not what is needed. Taking out the "drunk idiots" may be. But that doesn't mean that there should be no drinking at all. It just means people have to hold themselves accountable for their own actions.

[81artmonk]

[QUOTE=Kosher Ham]I only posted the the first quote of yours, because it is a pretty broad stroke that you are using, throughout most of the thread.

You must be kidding right?? Broad stroke. Wow. that's pretty funny. Ok whatever. It's obvious you haven't been paying too much attention thoughout, otherwise you wouldn't have said that.

For your info, there have been quit a few who posted who stated that they need to drink in order to enjoy the game.

[81artmonk]

What I find probably even more amazing than the shear lunacy in this thread is, how people either don't read or don't comprehend what they read.

I can post and qoute " did you see how pale that guy is" and the next thing you know people are posting what a racist I am.

Misintreprtation and misunderstanding are a terrible thing.

[DCsportsfan53]

I've been amazed at the apathy in this one. However, alot of people have made comments like "if you don't like it go home", or "I can't enjoy a game without drinking".


That's pretty sad. If that is truely the case, than it's worse than expected. I would strongly say that if that is how you feel, that you can't enjoy a game without drinking than many of you have a serious problem and need AA or some kind rehab help seriously!!

Cause seriously, if you need alcohol to enjoy something, you have a problem.


Obviously you haven't been paying close attention to Redskins football the last decade or so. :laugh:

[Enzo]

One of the problems is the ridiculously high price of beer today at NFL games or any sporting event. It doesn't prevent people from drinking it just makes them drink more hard liquor in the parking lot before & after the game. By banning alcohol at games you would have more of this & plus you punish the vast majority of people that go to the games & have a few beers & don't cause trouble. When I go to the games I drink & so do most of the people I go with. Occassional we have a nondrinker or someone who may drink one beer. What we do is just hang out in the parking lot & the person that is driving doesn't drink anymore & even if that person driving hasn't had a drink or maybe just one we still hang out to let the traffic clear out. Lets face it when you get in your car you are still just hanging out in the parking lot at 2-5 mph.

[E33Green]

What I find probably even more amazing than the shear lunacy in this thread is, how people either don't read or don't comprehend what they read.

I can post and qoute " did you see how pale that guy is" and the next thing you know people are posting what a racist I am.

Misintreprtation and misunderstanding are a terrible thing.

Racist! Racist!!!!!!!