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SkinsHokieFan
January-29th-2008, 09:58 PM
Ok, so I see Hillary do well in Florida, even though it doesn't count, and some very close Dem primaries, and the fact that Hillary is doing well in all the polls

But I have honestly not met one Hillary supporter amongst my friends who vote for Democrats. Not one yet. And damnit, I actually have a lot of friends who are Democrats, or left leaning :silly:

And it doesn't appear that our Democratic friends here on ES are supporters of Hillary. Based on the content in your posts, you all seem to be overwhelmingly in support of Obama

So, stick your head out and say it, who supports Hillary? Because clearly SOMEONE has to be voting for her and keeping her poll numbers above, oh, 0

Oldskool
January-29th-2008, 09:59 PM
:munchout:

skinfan2k
January-29th-2008, 10:00 PM
my friend does and he make it sure to mention to me why barack is a scumbag. He was on the front page of the diamondback today

Touchdown Redskins
January-29th-2008, 10:02 PM
I just started getting into politics, but right now I'd have to say that I'd vote for Hillary.

jbooma
January-29th-2008, 10:03 PM
a friend of a friend of a friend told me skinshokiesfan is :silly:

SkinsHokieFan
January-29th-2008, 10:04 PM
a friend of a friend of a friend told me skinshokiesfan is :silly:

:laugh:

I still think she is the next POTUS. I am just not as convinced as I was 3 months ago

ATV
January-29th-2008, 10:11 PM
Overweight older women.

nonniey
January-29th-2008, 10:36 PM
Do I count? I want her to win the dem nomination, So McCain can have an easier time winning the general election. I guess not, huh?

Teller
January-29th-2008, 10:43 PM
The rest of my family, God help them, are about as liberal as the day is long; the whole lot of 'em. I was the only one who escaped. :)


Anyway, my dad and brother both like Edwards. My mom is torn between Hillary and Obama. My grandma says "Not one of them's worth a damn." :laugh:

In all honesty, I don't know a single real Hillary supporter either.

"Paging the conservative version of Ken. Repeat. Paging a conservative Ken."

bobisimo
January-30th-2008, 05:40 AM
The rest of my family, God help them, are about as liberal as the day is long... My grandma says "Not one of them's worth a damn."

I'm as liberal as the day is long, too (haha) and I would agree with your grandma.

Sorry, I just had to agree with this. :D

Buford
January-30th-2008, 05:56 AM
I've noticed that Woman in my office between college aged.....to maybe late 50's are all into Hillary.

Is that like "If ou can't be an Athlete.....be a Athletic Supporter"?

The_cavalierman
January-30th-2008, 06:41 AM
Overweight older women.


last I checked they ruled the world.

pez
January-30th-2008, 06:59 AM
Maybe republicans are voting for her in the primaries, because they know she has no chance against whoever they will have running.

Om
January-30th-2008, 07:12 AM
Good thread. Been wondering about this myself. Interesting that the responses so far seem to prove the point. It's early though. That, or maybe people who intend to vote for her are too embarrassed to say so publicly. :)

I've been waiting to ask an objective public supporter of Mrs. Clinton's exactly what it is about her and her resume that convinces them she is our country's best current candidate for its highest office. Since this thread seems as good a place as any ... I'll ask the question the same way I did 7 years ago of W supporters:

If her name was Hillary Jones (D-NY), would she still be your choice? Is so, why?

Lone Star Skin Fan
January-30th-2008, 07:14 AM
McCain won't beat either one of them. He is too much like Bush. America isn't going to fall for it a third time

Zguy28
January-30th-2008, 07:23 AM
My sister is a Hillary supporter. She's 38, wealthy, and works for the Seafarer's Union.

I think you don't see many on here because its mostly men who post here. :2cents:

TLusby
January-30th-2008, 07:27 AM
What is it about Hillary that appeals to people? It can not be her personality! I am a staunch conservative so her platform does not appeal to me.

JMURedskins
January-30th-2008, 07:30 AM
My parents are voting Hillary. I think one of the major issues they have with Obama is experience. Hillary seems to be getting more votes from older Democrats. I am curious if experience is a big issue from the older Democrats.


Personally, I am voting for Obama because I think that he is better for the country than Hillary. Something bothers me about her.

Zguy28
January-30th-2008, 07:32 AM
Personally, I am voting for Obama because I think that he is better for the country than Hillary. Something bothers me about her.That's pretty much how I feel about McCain.:2cents:

Om
January-30th-2008, 07:32 AM
My sister is a Hillary supporter. She's 38, wealthy, and works for the Seafarer's Union.

I think you don't see many on here because its mostly men who post here. :2cents:
Wealthy, huh. She available? :)

But seriously ... since you're right that about 95% of ES is probably male, would you be willing to ask her to answer my question above? Honestly, I'm not looking to bash the woman here, I'm just intellectually very curious about just how much her being where she is today has to do with her surname.

It's interesting that you answered the way you did, by the way. Whether intentionally or not, it suggests that the bulk of her support comes from women. Haven't looked at those specific poll numbers recently. Do current polls reflect she's running away with the female Dem vote?

Zguy28
January-30th-2008, 07:35 AM
Wealthy, huh. She available? :)

But seriously ... since you're right that about 95% of ES is probably male, would you be willing to ask her to answer my question above? Honestly, I'm not looking to bash the woman here, I'm just intellectually very curious about just how much her being where she is today has to do with her surname.

It's interesting that you answered the way you did, by the way. Whether intentionally or not, it suggests that the bulk of her support comes from women. Haven't looked at those specific poll numbers recently. Do current polls reflect she's running away with the female Dem vote?I'll talk to her this weekend and let you know.

And she is married. :)

Ax
January-30th-2008, 07:46 AM
Just an opinion.

Hillary is getting "revenge" votes from those who feel like their heroburger, Bill Clinton, was unjustly impeached.

She is the worst of all the candidates, Republicrat or Democrican, for this country. Way too polarizing.

Om
January-30th-2008, 07:46 AM
I'll talk to her this weekend and let you know.

And she is married. :)
1) Cool, thanks.

2) Rats.

chiefhogskin48
January-30th-2008, 08:02 AM
This is a fantastic thread. I'm been completely baffled by this myself. I run in pretty liberal circles (believe it or not), and I have yet to meet anyone who wants Hillary to win. Many would even support McCain before they supported Hillary because of her recent behavior (ie showing her true colors).

PeterMP
January-30th-2008, 08:04 AM
My uncle in law's girl friend likes Hillary (not somebody I know well, but we just happened to see them this weekend and politics came up). Essentially, she's liberal and thinks that Obama doesn't have the experience and not just political experience, but life experience to be President.

It isn't that she is in LOVE with Hillary as a canidate and if the Edwards campaign had ever gotten any traction she doesn't have any issue with him. In another year, she may have seatled around somebody else, but essentially, the choice is coming down to Obama and Hillary and given that chioce, she'll take Hillary.

There really is VERY little difference between them on the issues. Voting between them for Democrats is essentially a matter of who do you like/trust.

#98QBKiller
January-30th-2008, 08:18 AM
As far as I can tell it's the older female Democrats and just older Democrats period, more than anything. For instance my mom likes Hillary but she is isn't completely sure yet who she wants to support, my late grandmother was also a Hillary supporter.

Then my sister and my dad are both Obama supporters.

My guess is a lot of these people that are being polled are older Democrats. And I think when a lot of them listen to Obama speak about his view on the issues they tend to change their minds.:2cents:

Reic
January-30th-2008, 08:26 AM
I am voting for Obama or McCain.

I don't want to see Hillary's ugly ass face in HD format for 4 years.

McMetal
January-30th-2008, 08:28 AM
Me. I dislike Obama as a human being, so I can't support him ideologically.

The_cavalierman
January-30th-2008, 08:29 AM
Hispanics and women are putting Hillary over the top.

Om
January-30th-2008, 08:34 AM
I am voting for Obama or McCain.

I don't want to see Hillary's ugly ass face in HD format for 4 years.
Always encouraging to see the next generation taking their politics seriously.


Hispanics and women are putting Hillary over the top.
Got link?

The_cavalierman
January-30th-2008, 08:42 AM
Always encouraging to see the next generation taking their politics seriously.


Got link?


Link (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/19/AR2008011902429.html)

ttr77
January-30th-2008, 08:53 AM
What really bothers me is when women say they are voting for Hillary because 'she is a woman'. The same goes for when black people say they are voting for Obama because of his race. I've heard this stated many, many times. Don't policies count for anything?

But as Robin Williams once said, there should be a woman president. That way, there would be no wars - but every 28 days there would be some intense negotiations. :)

Om
January-30th-2008, 08:58 AM
Thanks.


Network entrance polling showed the overall union vote -- about 30 percent of caucusgoers -- almost evenly split among Clinton and Obama. She had a decisive, 13 percentage-point edge among women, who made up 59 percent of caucus participants. More startling, Clinton had a nearly 2 to 1 edge among Latino voters, many of whom are culinary union members who work in casinos and caucused in hotel ballrooms on the Las Vegas "Strip."

*

However, polling showed more than 80 percent of black caucusgoers in Nevada went for Obama, a number that, if matched next Saturday in South Carolina, would make him a prohibitive favorite to win that primary. And some of the largest Feb. 5 states, including his home state of Illinois, Clinton's home state of New York and neighboring New Jersey, have large African American voting populations.
Now off to look at census figures to eyeball the national demographic breakdown of Latinos, women, blacks and casino workers.

Predicting the nomination sure is easy. :)

PeterMP
January-30th-2008, 08:58 AM
That's pretty much how I feel about McCain.:2cents:

Not to side track this thread, but Zguy you made a similar comment about McCain and his temper in another thread that wasn't really about McCain, and I didn't comment.

This perception you have of McCain and his temper and not liking him doesn't seem to have a basis in reality.

I'll ignore the support of people like Crist because that might be a political decision (e.g. if he picks the winner and endorses him, that will help is political future more than likely).

However, if you look at McCain's record it just doesn't match that of a person with a hair trigger out of control temper. He was an acknowledged leader of the group of 14. Do 14 other Senators come together w/ somebody as their leader that has those qualities? It isn't likely, and this move actually help cost some of the moderate Republicans that were in the group the next election.

Does somebody like Ted Kennedy and Feingold work across the aisle on important legislation w/ somebody that is hard to work w/ and has an explosive temper? No. I mean for somebody like Kennedy there is no advantage in it. If McCain has those qualities, then there'd be no reason for Kennedy to work with him.

Most of the times people w/ a temper like you seem to attribute to McCain are people that are ostercized and avoided by their co-workers. McCain has no significant power over any other Senator, yet he has a history of working WITH people from all sides on different issues. Not at all the behaviour you'd expect given the qualities you seem to imprint on him.

The_cavalierman
January-30th-2008, 09:04 AM
What really bothers me is when women say they are voting for Hillary because 'she is a woman'. The same goes for when black people say they are voting for Obama because of his race. I've heard this stated many, many times. Don't policies count for anything?

But as Robin Williams once said, there should be a woman president. That way, there would be no wars - but every 28 days there would be some intense negotiations. :)


Don't let it bother you...

We have to accept the fact that people have all kinds of crazy motivations for their vote.

In a perfect world people would vote based on the issues and what it means to them but this certainly is not a perfect world is it?

:cheers:

DjTj
January-30th-2008, 09:07 AM
In the timeless words of Blazing Saddles, I think the answer is: "Where the white women at?"

Even in South Carolina, where Clinton lost to Obama by a large margin, she won the vote of white women (42% Clinton, 36% Edwards, 22% Obama). In Nevada, she got 55% of their votes, and in New Hampshire she got 46%.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660890/

She also does well among older voters (65+ was the only age group she won in South Carolina - 40% to Obama's 32%; she crushed Obama in this age group in Iowa - 45% to 18%).

Basically, Hillary draws her support from an older, white, female demographic ... the kind of people you are less likely to find posting on a football message board.

GibbsFactor
January-30th-2008, 09:08 AM
I'm a Hilliary supporter.

ttr77
January-30th-2008, 09:08 AM
Don't let it bother you...

We have to accept the fact that people have all kinds of crazy motivations for their vote.

In a perfect world people would vote based on the issues and what it means to them but this certainly is not a perfect world is it?

:cheers:

I shouldn't let it bother me. I should let more important things bother me, like who the Skins hire as their next coach :)

But anyway, sometimes I wish we had an issues-based voting system. Instead of voting for an individual, one would be handed a long questionnaire of current issues facing the country. After answering the questions, their vote would be automatically given to the candidate that matched up closest with their answers.

Thoughts?

GibbsFactor
January-30th-2008, 09:19 AM
I shouldn't let it bother me. I should let more important things bother me, like who the Skins hire as their next coach :)

But anyway, sometimes I wish we had an issues-based voting system. Instead of voting for an individual, one would be handed a long questionnaire of current issues facing the country. After answering the questions, their vote would be automatically given to the candidate that matched up closest with their answers.

Thoughts?

You'd need honest and principled politicians for that. There isn't enough of them to hold an election.

It's politics. Issues are important, but so are other soft items such as like ability, what a black man as President would do for the country, what a woman as President would do for this country, compromise, being a strong leader and speaker, being a strong commander in chief.

What the President does regarding policy outside of foreign policy and budgets is basically approve or veto legislation. So issue based voting for an Executive isn't always the best approach. :2cents:

Look for honesty, consistency, principled integrity and most importantly, look at the things a President can actually accomplish. Foreign Policy, Budget, leadership.

Thanos
January-30th-2008, 09:20 AM
I think women , some African Americans, Hispanics, and unions along with old line Democrats are her base.Her cash comes from NYC deep pocketed donors.

DjTj
January-30th-2008, 09:25 AM
I shouldn't let it bother me. I should let more important things bother me, like who the Skins hire as their next coach :)

But anyway, sometimes I wish we had an issues-based voting system. Instead of voting for an individual, one would be handed a long questionnaire of current issues facing the country. After answering the questions, their vote would be automatically given to the candidate that matched up closest with their answers.

Thoughts?If we did that, why not simply go to direct voting for everything? For every bill, we could break it down to a questionnaire of issues, people could input their preferences, and we could pass laws based on peoples' opinions. We wouldn't even need to elect representatives anymore.

Our system of winner-take-all representative democracy isn't actually designed to be decided based on issues. Multi-Party proportional representation systems are closer to being issue based, but the American system is based on electing people, not issues.

We elect individuals, and American politics has always been dominated by larger-than-life personalities: from George Washington to Thomas Jefferson to Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK, Reagan ... we don't look back and remember our leaders' stances on a laundry list of issues, we remember how they were steadfast in the face of adversity or how they aspired to greater ideals. It has always been about personality, and unless our system changes, it always will be.

ttr77
January-30th-2008, 09:36 AM
Look for honesty, consistency, principled integrity and most importantly, look at the things a President can actually accomplish. Foreign Policy, Budget, leadership.

I agree. That is what we should look for. Unfortunately, most people don't.

Reic
January-30th-2008, 09:47 AM
Always encouraging to see the next generation taking their politics seriously.



I have searched for the link of the time magazine article that talks about judging political leaders by their faces, but after an hour I can still not find it.

But here is one from another source http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7502

It is different from what I read, but what I read was that you could judge the trustworthiness of the individual by their face, it was interesting.


I do take my politics seriously, I live with a history teacher for god's sake, but I enjoy humor more.

I don't like Hillary's platform, I don't like her attitude and she is fugly, I can't help that.

GibbsFactor
January-30th-2008, 09:51 AM
I agree. That is what we should look for. Unfortunately, most people don't.

The one thing in this race that makes issue stances important is the fact that this next President may appoint up to 4 Justices. I'm looking for a strict constructionist/constitutionalists for that very reason.

Toe Jam
January-30th-2008, 09:58 AM
Why would anyone support Hillary?

Everyone knows she's a nazi.

ttr77
January-30th-2008, 09:59 AM
The one thing in this race that makes issue stances important is the fact that this next President may appoint up to 4 Justices. I'm looking for a strict constructionist/constitutionalists for that very reason.

Good point.

So, who do you think fits that description?

Zguy28
January-30th-2008, 10:00 AM
Not to side track this thread, but Zguy you made a similar comment about McCain and his temper in another thread that wasn't really about McCain, and I didn't comment.

This perception you have of McCain and his temper and not liking him doesn't seem to have a basis in reality.

I'll ignore the support of people like Crist because that might be a political decision (e.g. if he picks the winner and endorses him, that will help is political future more than likely).

However, if you look at McCain's record it just doesn't match that of a person with a hair trigger out of control temper. He was an acknowledged leader of the group of 14. Do 14 other Senators come together w/ somebody as their leader that has those qualities? It isn't likely, and this move actually help cost some of the moderate Republicans that were in the group the next election.

Does somebody like Ted Kennedy and Feingold work across the aisle on important legislation w/ somebody that is hard to work w/ and has an explosive temper? No. I mean for somebody like Kennedy there is no advantage in it. If McCain has those qualities, then there'd be no reason for Kennedy to work with him.

Most of the times people w/ a temper like you seem to attribute to McCain are people that are ostercized and avoided by their co-workers. McCain has no significant power over any other Senator, yet he has a history of working WITH people from all sides on different issues. Not at all the behaviour you'd expect given the qualities you seem to imprint on him.I take you as a man of your word and honestly would like to believe what your saying.

Call it a gut feeling I don't know. It's just what I sense about him. Maybe if I saw him in an everyday setting on the Senate floor my opinion would change. In fact, I'm sure it probably would.

On top of that, the whole issue of War itself has been gnawing at me a lot to the point where I can't vote right now for anybody who thinks Iraq was the right thing to do.:(

GibbsFactor
January-30th-2008, 10:02 AM
Good point.

So, who do you think fits that description?

The unelectable loon that won't go away. :D




On top of that, the whole issue of War itself has been gnawing at me a lot to the point where I can't vote right now for anybody who thinks Iraq was the right thing to do.:(

I'm right there with you. Supporters of this war and preemption against Iran have characteristics I could never support.

Kilmer17
January-30th-2008, 10:05 AM
McCain is the only candidate who beats BOTH Obama and Hillary head to head, that's why he's getting so much support despite not being liked by the right.

Hillary get's support because of her last name. That's it. Ask Hillary supporters what positions she has that they agree with, and I'd bet 90% couldnt tell you a single issue she has taken a stance on that they agree with.

Hillary supporters are voting for Bill.

Thiebear
January-30th-2008, 10:09 AM
Every freakin poll in the last 8 years has been wrong.. They were calling states for Kerry before the votes were in, could we not choose our candidates based on polling data.. its so wrong...

Edit: i've been polled one time ever and i picked the opposite of everything. If they paid me... i'd truth up.

Zguy28
January-30th-2008, 10:11 AM
I'm right there with you. Supporters of this war and preemption against Iran have characteristics I could never support.:cheers:


Ask Hillary supporters what positions she has that they agree with, and I'd bet 90% couldnt tell you a single issue she has taken a stance on that they agree with.

Hillary supporters are voting for Bill.That's because they want to return to the 90's. Who can blame them when you look back at this last 8 years?

GibbsFactor
January-30th-2008, 10:12 AM
McCain is the only candidate who beats BOTH Obama and Hillary head to head, that's why he's getting so much support despite not being liked by the right.

Hillary get's support because of her last name. That's it. Ask Hillary supporters what positions she has that they agree with, and I'd bet 90% couldnt tell you a single issue she has taken a stance on that they agree with.

Hillary supporters are voting for Bill.

It's a shame people are voting for McCain because he theoretically beats out a dem or two. A lot can happen between now and November.

As for Hilliary, it's name, progress and health care.

Obama is progress and unity and change.

Romney is appearance, old guard and success.

Kilmer17
January-30th-2008, 10:16 AM
It's a shame people are voting for McCain because he theoretically beats out a dem or two. A lot can happen between now and November.

As for Hilliary, it's name, progress and health care.

Obama is progress and unity and change.

Romney is appearance, old guard and success.


I dont think it's a shame. I shudder to think what Hillary would do as President. Especially with a Dem house and Senate. I'll vote for anyone who can keep that from happening. That's the only issue that matters to me at this point.

Obama and McCain both have the ability to change the tone and end some of the animosity.

GibbsFactor
January-30th-2008, 10:18 AM
I dont think it's a shame. I shudder to think what Hillary would do as President. Especially with a Dem house and Senate. I'll vote for anyone who can keep that from happening. That's the only issue that matters to me at this point.

Obama and McCain both have the ability to change the tone and end some of the animosity.

I guess my point was people are having pollsters influence their votes. The polls could be horribly wrong.:2cents:

helptheSKINS
January-30th-2008, 10:25 AM
I dont think it's a shame. I shudder to think what Hillary would do as President. Especially with a Dem house and Senate. I'll vote for anyone who can keep that from happening. That's the only issue that matters to me at this point.

Obama and McCain both have the ability to change the tone and end some of the animosity.

Couldn't agree more. Hopefully McCain will reduce spending as well. The last thing I want is a democratic party holding all the cards. I actually enjoy saving the money I earn rather then giving it to the gov't to waste. Sadly the guy I voted for twice has wasted a lot. The only good thing is he asked for less. There is no doubt the dems will take significantly more money out of all our pockets. No thanks. The main problem I have with McCain is immigration. He is not as strict as I would like but other then that I believe he is a good man and will do what he thinks is best for this country. I think Obama would do the same but I have more issues with him as a conservative.

Om
January-30th-2008, 10:27 AM
I have searched for the link of the time magazine article that talks about judging political leaders by their faces, but after an hour I can still not find it.

But here is one from another source http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7502

It is different from what I read, but what I read was that you could judge the trustworthiness of the individual by their face, it was interesting.


I do take my politics seriously, I live with a history teacher for god's sake, but I enjoy humor more.

I don't like Hillary's platform, I don't like her attitude and she is fugly, I can't help that.
Given this expanded version ... fair enough ... my apologies for misreading the depths of your commitment to sorting the political wheat from the chaffe.

And down with ugly people. :)

DjTj
January-30th-2008, 10:27 AM
I dont think it's a shame. I shudder to think what Hillary would do as President. Especially with a Dem house and Senate. I'll vote for anyone who can keep that from happening. That's the only issue that matters to me at this point.

Obama and McCain both have the ability to change the tone and end some of the animosity.You know, on the liberal side of things, I guess I look at this in the completely opposite way.

I support most of the things that Hillary would do as President (comprehensive immigration reform, liberal judges, universal health care, letting the Bush tax cuts expire, begin withdrawal from Iraq, etc.), but I believe that Obama would be much more likely to accomplish those things. I think Hillary would have a lot of trouble achieving her agenda because of all the animosity, but I hope that Obama could implement what is basically the same agenda with less friction.

Obama is the one that could help get more Democrats elected in 2010 and beyond, and I think he is much more likely to help build a strong Democratic majority and to promote Democratic issues. So I'm voting against Hillary (and for Obama) not to prevent Hillary from implementing her agenda, but to put her agenda in the hands of someone much more likely to make those things a reality.

Om
January-30th-2008, 10:31 AM
In the timeless words of Blazing Saddles, I think the answer is: "Where the white women at?"

Even in South Carolina, where Clinton lost to Obama by a large margin, she won the vote of white women (42% Clinton, 36% Edwards, 22% Obama). In Nevada, she got 55% of their votes, and in New Hampshire she got 46%.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21660890/

She also does well among older voters (65+ was the only age group she won in South Carolina - 40% to Obama's 32%; she crushed Obama in this age group in Iowa - 45% to 18%).

Basically, Hillary draws her support from an older, white, female demographic ... the kind of people you are less likely to find posting on a football message board.
Thanks for that link ... what I was hoping for and too lazy to search for myself this morning. :)

Guess I'll have to track down message boards where older white women hang. Should I sign up as Sheriff Bart or mOm?

Hiro
January-30th-2008, 10:40 AM
Ask me a couple months ago, I was all for John Edwards. To me, he seemed like one of the few that was really focusing on the issues of fixing our country internally, rathering then babbling on about Iraq like everyone else was at the time.

Unfortunately, Edwards is dropping out so my choices are down to Clinton and Obama. Between the two, I have to say Clinton, and no it's not because of the fact she's Bill's wife. :rolleyes: Although it's a plus .. ;)

Reason why I pick her is because of the fact I truly believe she is the right person to put our country back in order. Obama keeps on talking about change, but what kind of change is he pursuing? The only real change that has happened in the past 8 years is the fact that our economy has gone into shambles, our relationships with foriegn countries around the world has gone down the toilet, and we face the BIGGEST deficit in American history. I don't want radical change, I want our country to go back to the way it was before.

Also, I'm of the opinion that Obama is just too inexperienced to be our next president. He's only been in power in Illinois for four years. Four years is just not enough experience to prepare someone to lead an entire country. What experience does he have with dealing with foreign policy? Does he have the experience to put our economy back in order? Could he set into motion a plan to have us finish in Iraq?

Obama may be a good president ... just not yet. So yes ... I'm a Hillary supporter.

:cheers:

pjfootballer
January-30th-2008, 02:06 PM
Ask me a couple months ago, I was all for John Edwards. To me, he seemed like one of the few that was really focusing on the issues of fixing our country internally, rathering then babbling on about Iraq like everyone else was at the time.

Unfortunately, Edwards is dropping out so my choices are down to Clinton and Obama. Between the two, I have to say Clinton, and no it's not because of the fact she's Bill's wife. :rolleyes: Although it's a plus .. ;)

Reason why I pick her is because of the fact I truly believe she is the right person to put our country back in order. Obama keeps on talking about change, but what kind of change is he pursuing? The only real change that has happened in the past 8 years is the fact that our economy has gone into shambles, our relationships with foriegn countries around the world has gone down the toilet, and we face the BIGGEST deficit in American history. I don't want radical change, I want our country to go back to the way it was before.

Also, I'm of the opinion that Obama is just too inexperienced to be our next president. He's only been in power in Illinois for four years. Four years is just not enough experience to prepare someone to lead an entire country. What experience does he have with dealing with foreign policy? Does he have the experience to put our economy back in order? Could he set into motion a plan to have us finish in Iraq?

Obama may be a good president ... just not yet. So yes ... I'm a Hillary supporter.

:cheers:


Dude, you are a mind reader. You basically typed EVERY word I would have said. :cheers:

#98QBKiller
January-30th-2008, 02:10 PM
So yes ... I'm a Hillary supporter.



I think you're the first person to actually say that in this thread.



But on a completely different topic, with that signature you should go post in every single thread in the Stadium....people have lost their minds over there.

Mooney
January-30th-2008, 02:13 PM
Guess I'll have to track down message boards where older white women hang.




Try CowboysZone.

Om
January-30th-2008, 02:26 PM
Try CowboysZone.
That's funny. :)

Does bablefish translate their language?

GibbsFactor
January-30th-2008, 02:27 PM
Nope, that's courgars.com

Sinclair
January-30th-2008, 02:29 PM
I dont support Hillary, actually, I don't really like any of them.....but Hillary is closer to the bottom of my list..

SkinsHokieFan
January-31st-2008, 09:38 AM
Bumpin this up, because I am still very curious

Hiro
January-31st-2008, 09:53 AM
Dude, you are a mind reader. You basically typed EVERY word I would have said. :cheers:

Haha nice. Cheers bro! :cheers:


I think you're the first person to actually say that in this thread.



But on a completely different topic, with that signature you should go post in every single thread in the Stadium....people have lost their minds over there.

Oh trust me man, I post there quite a bit. I got the idea from one of the mod's sigs I believe with a picture of the Danny holding up the sign "Panic!". So I decided to come up with the anti-sig. ;)

wskin44
January-31st-2008, 10:24 AM
I'm convinced that Hillary is Satan. I don't know anyone who is for her, but my Dad will vote for the Dem regardless. Yesterday my cousin told me he was for Hillary because he wanted Bill to be President again. I don't think that should count.

Hiro
January-31st-2008, 10:30 AM
I'm convinced that Hillary is Satan. I don't know anyone who is for her, but my Dad will vote for the Dem regardless. Yesterday my cousin told me he was for Hillary because he wanted Bill to be President again. I don't think that should count.

Not wanting to peck at your opinion, but exactly do you believe she is Satan?

Kilmer17
January-31st-2008, 10:32 AM
Not wanting to peck at your opinion, but exactly do you believe she is Satan?


Have you ever seen Hillary and Satan together?

It's obvious to me they are the same person.

Hiro
January-31st-2008, 10:38 AM
Have you ever seen Hillary and Satan together?

It's obvious to me they are the same person.

http://www.rjgeib.com/blog/media/hillary.jpghttp://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/gaetano/satan.jpg

Hmmmm nope can't say I agree with you there Kilmer. :silly:

Mooney
January-31st-2008, 12:34 PM
http://www.rjgeib.com/blog/media/hillary.jpghttp://cyber.law.harvard.edu/blogs/static/gaetano/satan.jpg




If she shaved, dead ringer.

The_cavalierman
January-31st-2008, 01:52 PM
Apparently women and Hispanics are putting Hillary over the top where she has won.