Only IDIOTS take joy in Snyders perceived failures!!!!!

[stevenaa]

I've about had it with the Snyder hate. You people, the ones taking glee in what you see as a Snyder failure, have lost your minds. Is it really so important to you that Snyder fails? Do you despise him so much you would put his failure ahead of the success of the team? If he fails, the team fails. As a fan, I find that unacceptable. There are so many things Snyder could have done differently, things I disagree with, but the bottom line is I want him to have crazy success. I'm a REDSKINS fan. I root for the team and anything that goes into making the team successful. Even if that means rooting for an owner I may not agree with. Even it that means rooting for a retread coach who has been out of the league 4 years, or a 1 year wonder DC blessed with some of the best Dlineman to play the game.

Go Skins!!! Go Snyder!!! Go any fricking coach who gets hired!!!

[SnyderMustGo]

Question: is it hard to breathe with your head buried that far into the sand?

[spjunkies]

Nothing but a bunch of drama queens on this place always bitching about Snyder.

IF you want to blame anyone, make it Coach Joe.

[LoveDaSkins172645]

Um may I ask what you have been drinking and smoking? As we live in a free country we all are entitled to express our feelings one way or the other. We all want the skins to be successful but you can't when you have an owner that simply stinks. I have nothing personal against Snyder and as a matter of fact sort of am impressed with how he came to own the skins. That being said other than him getting Gibbs back every other decision he has made has stunk. His past track record and now this farce he calls a head coaching search further proves my point. In case you haven't seen the team fails as a direct result of the owners involvement.

[One Shot]

When paper rips there's nothing we can do. The jetpacks will inevitably fly, and the pigeons will sob with horror. That's all there is to it.

[sideshow24]

Most of us agree with you. Even the ones calling Dan out still want him to succeed in fielding a winning team. Being mediocre to bad for so long just breeds frustration.

[Clinton Portis # 26]

Tell em why you mad son.

[HEavyJumbo85]

Who the hell is sYnder?

[rvan1]

Yeah i agree. I'm going to start rooting for Snyder, but first I have to drink this Kool Aid.

It's not just Redskin fans. If we failed because our starting QB broke his leg and we had to rebuild a franchise, thats one thing. I don't root against the Skins or Snyder ever, but its hard to cheer for Snyder when I'm paying 9.50 for chicken and fries while watching everything from the "Ultimate Weapon" in Deion Sanders to the Ole' Ball Coach screw over our franchise. Its not as if Snyder has made a bad call here and there, but the laundry list of things that have derailed the franchise since he purchased it is truly astonishing.

[Davesupes]

Are you kidding me? Jerry Jones most definitely out-scores Snyder in the horrible owner department, but guess which team went 13 and 3 last year and who's team is expected to be top-of-the-list in the NFC next year. Jones throws out just as much money as Danny, his coaching decisions are just as suspect and big-money making free agents.
If you keep blaming an owner for team problems, then noone would ever flourish in that position here in Washington.

I mean, who was to blame when the Packers were stinking it up a couple of years back in Green Bay?

[RedskinDan0557]

It kinda makes you wonder whether or not someone hates snyder more than they love the redskins.

I want to win, whether or not its with snyder, I don't care. WIN!

[youngestson]

Is it really so important to you that Snyder fails?



No it is not "important" he fail. The last thing I want the man to do is fail.

He just seems to be failing an awful lot and I have a hard time pretending I don't notice it, or that it's ok for him to keep on doing so because I like the Redskins team.

Deny reality all you want. As soon as he becomes a success I will say to all I was wrong and he was right, and be happy to do so.

[BigFanRob]

Snyder is just trying to DO THE RIGHT THING to make the TEAM a WINNER
again with the right HC,maybe he did learn something from Joe Gibbs


REDSKINS RULE BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!:logo:

[SnyderMustGo]

Are you kidding me? Jerry Jones most definitely out-scores Snyder in the horrible owner department

Uh... he has 3 Lombardis. Snyder has 0. And will never get one. So, your point is pretty much the definition of WRONG.

No one takes joy in seeing Snyder fail insofar as it ruins the Redskins.

But, if you are of the opinion that Snyder Must Go before this team will ever reclaim glory, then dogging the guy is one way to hope he gets driven out of town on a rail. So (if you read my signature and think about what it means and how it applies to this situation) the quickest way to glory for the Redskins is for Snyder to fail so miserably that he is driven out of town and to sell the team. Cause as long as he has support, he will remain. And as long as he remains, this once proud franchise will continue to be a joke.

[NewCliche21]

I am so sick of seeing people who care more about personal agendas and being RIGHT than having our team win.

More people would rather blow off a good game by Campbell, Portis, Moss, Rogers, hell even TAYLOR, than admit that these players were good. People would rather prove their points and be whiny little *****es than rejoice in the team doing well.

I'm so sick of it, five stars for this poll.

Oh, and for the record, I think Synder sucks, but I'll STILL want him to do a terrific job and turn it around. Don't dish it out if you're not happy to eat your crow later, like the threads that I've started about individual players.

[MDRedskinsFan]

Go Redskins!!!!!!!!!!!

[mrredskinDgreen]

I like this thread a lot. Thank you for posting this....everyone take note and STFU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[D'Pablo]

Really, what Redskin fan is taking joy in this? That's the most outlandish statement I've read today. Every terrible move Snyder makes affects us. We don't like his current course, so we voice our opinions. I love the Redskins. That doesn't mean I have to even remotely like Dan Snyder.

[dinothekid]

the fact is that we are in this mess because of our incompetent owner. He needs to sell the team. He gave it a go, he put up the dollars, he brought in the people. He needs to realize that he doesn't have the ability to run a football team. He has failed and failed bad. The Redskins are the laughing stock of the NFL. If he was as much as a Redskin fan as people say then he would sell the team. It is becoming a joke to be a Redskins fan; THIS IS ALL DANNY'S FAULT

[headexplode]

Thank God someone finally had the guts to start a thread complaining about people who complain.

[Skins_lifer]

Are you kidding me? Jerry Jones most definitely out-scores Snyder in the horrible owner department, but guess which team went 13 and 3 last year and who's team is expected to be top-of-the-list in the NFC next year. Jones throws out just as much money as Danny, his coaching decisions are just as suspect and big-money making free agents.
If you keep blaming an owner for team problems, then noone would ever flourish in that position here in Washington.

I mean, who was to blame when the Packers were stinking it up a couple of years back in Green Bay?

would also argue that Jerry has a few more superbowl rings than Snyder...

[Area51]

Snyder is an evil, greedy little ******* who has short man's complex. The guy is a great businessman but a dumbass owner and football guy. He spends a lot on players, but turns around and charges the fans out the ass so we're basically paying for people like Archuleta and Lloyd.

The guy seems to want to do things differently just for the sake of being different. No GM for Snyder. Hire a HC before the coordinators? Keep your draft picks? Not Snyder. He's DIFFERENT. **** him.

As much as I hate the little bastard, I would love to see him succeed(as an owner) because it would mean the Skins are doing good. Unfortunately this jackass doesn't seem to get it and we as fans have to deal with the consequences.

[amandorfer]

I don't think it's really about rooting for Snyder. I can't believe I came on here and found people happy that Snyder got "owned" by Spags staying in NY (no wait...I actually CAN believe it). Why are so many people happy that we aren't getting Spags? Do people really WANT Fassel? I know I don't.

Dan Snyder annoys the hell out of me sometimes, but when it comes to something like this, that directly involves my team, no I am NOT happy that he "failed."

[KingGibbs]

Perceived failure? His tenure as an owner has basically been just that, a failure. I agree with others that it's a ridiculous statement that we "take joy in Snyders failures." Unfortunately, he owns the Redskins and we have to live with that. But, just like those that support him (for whatever reason) those of us that disagree with the way his runs the "football" aspect of the team can damn well air our frustrations.

Jim Fassel? Puhlease. There's not one other NFL team that would hire him as a HC. Hell, as mentioned before, he couldn't even get an OC position. But, keep spinning Snyder supporters, keep spinning.

[APBT]

From what I read on this board, No one wants Snyder to fail, but he keeps bringing it on himself.

Is it the fans fault that they have an owner not willing to win by drafting players?Is it the fans fault that they have an owner, who will over spend on Free agents?
Is it the fans fault that they have an owner , that will hire a coach who would be around for 4 years?
Is it the fans fault that they have an owner, they will by helicopters because his team has has the most expensive merchandise and ticket prices?
Is it the fans fault that they have an owner, with a pet puppet??
Is it the fans fault that they have an owner, who the rest of the NFL community feels that he makes foolish mistakes year after year??

The answer is no. Its not the fans fault. Its Danial Snyders fault and we talk about all his faults on this message board; live with it.

[21 always]

Do you "skins fans" really want snyder to fall flat on his face ???? because when that happens are team fails and guess what you morons..... We as fans get scrwed in the end.. Im not saying you have to like Snyder... I think he is a fool but i don't root against him. There is a diffrence between making fun of someone and rooting against them ... IM a fan of this team and thats my 2 cents....

[CGSKINS]

Tell em why you mad son.:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:


The mad Rapper.

[Davesupes]

When I am comparing Jerry Jones to Snyder I am saying a money-spending, nosy/greedy cut-throat owner like Jerry Jones has been watching his team flourish for years. Snyder is the same type of owner, yet the Redskins haven't enjoyed as much success as the Cowboys as of late. Could this possibly mean that our Owner is not the only person to blame for our team's failings? What a concept!

You fans that blame everything on Snyder simply need a scapegoat to blame everything on. Gibbs is gone so all of the negativity towards him has shifted to Snyder.

Man, I feel for whoever they get to coach my team because he'll have to deal with a lot of grief. :rolleyes:

[skinsn24]

STEVE,

I am pretty sure everyone here ripping synder still wants the team (and him) to win. The problem is that he seems to continue to fails.

Just think if you had a kid, who kept getting high instead of doing his school work. You want him to suceed right? But you are gonna be pissed when you find him cheefin and his grades are an F. You prob would critisim him for what he is doing.

If he was getting A's while getting high you might have a different opinion.

[Lavar5150]

synder, as you call him ,should sell the team if he is a true fan that way he can celebrate #4 with the rest of us and the new competent management team that doesn;t include a racquetball buddy.

Let's see this coach search sucks maybe I can count the money I am going to get from overpriced hall of fame weekend tshirts or maybe I can do a ticket price hike.

[TotalRecall]

And how long do you give Snyder to actually do a good job? 10? 20? 30 years? Most of us don't want to wait another 4 years for another coaching decision. We want a great coach now. If Snyder actually wanted to win, he would have hired a great GM and let the great GM do his job. But instead, we have the Danny and Vinny show.

[Isifhan]

He just seems to be failing an awful lot and I have a hard time pretending I don't notice it, or that it's ok for him to keep on doing so because I like the Redskins team.

We've been to the playoffs two out of the last three years. Is that not some measure of success?

[dfbovey]

I don't get any joy at all out of Snyder's ACTUAL failures. There's nothing perceived about it. There's a reason people don't like him, he's earned distrust because he's yet to prove that he actually knows what he's doing.

So, rah rah, go Skins and all that... but don't whine over legitimate fan gripes when it comes to Snyder. Sit through it blissfully if you want.

[Craig]

Nothing but a bunch of drama queens on this place always bitching about Snyder.

IF you want to blame anyone, make it Coach Joe.

Yeah, how dare he put family first!!!

[fansince62]

I've about had it with the Synder hate. You people, the ones taking glee in what you see as a Snyder failure, have lost your minds. Is it really so important to you that Snyder fails? Do you despise him so much you would put his failure ahead of the success of the team? If he fails, the team fails. As a fan, I find that unacceptable. There are so many things Snyder could have done differently, things I disagree with, but the bottom line is I want him to have crazy success. I'm a REDSKINS fan. I root for the team and anything that goes into making the team successful. Even if that means rooting for an owner I may not agree with. Even it that means rooting for a retread coach who has been out of the league 4 years, or a 1 year wonder DC blessed with some of the best Dlineman to play the game.

Go Skins!!! Go Snyder!!! Go any fricking coach who gets hired!!!

yes...you would have made an excellent foot soldier during WWI....

[kschles]

I remember when Snyder first bought the team. Most of my friends and I were thrilled. Here was a local guy who was also a big fan. He also announced, in so many words, that he would hire professionals to run the team, beacause that is what a good businessman does.


The fact that many of us are extremely disappointed doesn't mean we hate Snyder. After nine years of general screw-ups, however, he's going to have to prove to us that he knows what he's doing. No more "goodwill" passes.

[sellyoursol]

I don't get any joy at all out of Snyder's ACTUAL failures. There's nothing perceived about it. There's a reason people don't like him, he's earned distrust because he's yet to prove that he actually knows what he's doing.

So, rah rah, go Skins and all that... but don't whine over legitimate fan gripes when it comes to Snyder. Sit through it blissfully if you want.

THIS is a great post. :applause:

[stevenaa]

And how long do you give Snyder to actually do a good job? 10? 20? 30 years? Most of us don't want to wait another 4 years for another coaching decision. We want a great coach now. If Snyder actually wanted to win, he would have hired a great GM and let the great GM do his job. But instead, we have the Danny and Vinny show.


It's not up to me, or you or anyone as to how long he has. It's up to him and he's not going anywhere. So, go root for another team or suck it up and try to stay positive about this one. What is the point in rooting for a team if you've given up hope. You can whine about the GM situation, but you can't change it.

And please tell me who this Great Coach you'd have him hire is. I sure as heck don't see any available.

[fwo40]

The big problem is that people aren't giving anythign a chance.

Why be fans if you can't even root for Fassel (or whomever) 6 months outside of the season? Seriously. Take some time off, do something else.

Indicting the coaching choice in Feb, seems a little absurd.

[JimmyConway]

Nothing but a bunch of drama queens on this place always bitching about Snyder.

IF you want to blame anyone, make it Coach Joe.

I use a top-down approach.

[stevenaa]

yes...you would have made an excellent foot soldier during WWI....

This isn't a war, it's a game. It's a team I choose to be a fan of. I can either stop being a fan, or accept that it is what it is. He's the owner. He's going no where. No amount of whining, bitching and crying is going to change the situation. If your so fed up with it, maybe you should change your name to fanuntil2007 I will continue to root for the team and for the success of the owner, even when I hate what he is doing.

[sellyoursol]

This isn't a war, it's a game. It's a team I choose to be a fan of. I can either stop being a fan, or accept that it is what it is. He's the owner. He's going no where. No amount of whining, bitching and crying is going to change the situation. If your so fed up with it, maybe you should change your name to fanuntil2007 I will continue to root for the team and for the success of the owner, even when I hate what he is doing.

Here we go with the "true fan" thing again. Have you ever stopped to ponder the fact that a "true fan" might be one who cannot seem to disconnect his zeal or loyalty even in the face of such hideous mismanagement?

[jimking]

Are you kidding me? Jerry Jones most definitely out-scores Snyder in the horrible owner department, but guess which team went 13 and 3 last year and who's team is expected to be top-of-the-list in the NFC next year. Jones throws out just as much money as Danny, his coaching decisions are just as suspect and big-money making free agents.
If you keep blaming an owner for team problems, then noone would ever flourish in that position here in Washington.

I mean, who was to blame when the Packers were stinking it up a couple of years back in Green Bay?
Jones has been involved in football in one form or another for years even before he purchased the Cowboys and he also played football in college.

[SnyderMustGo]

This isn't a war, it's a game. It's a team I choose to be a fan of. I can either stop being a fan, or accept that it is what it is. He's the owner. He's going no where. No amount of whining, bitching and crying is going to change the situation. If your so fed up with it, maybe you should change your name to fanuntil2007 I will continue to root for the team and for the success of the owner, even when I hate what he is doing.

So there is NOTHING that Snyder can do that would cause you to object and complain about the owner?

So if Snyder moved the team to LA, you would still support him? Or if Snyder changed the named to the Six Flags Bashers, you would still support him? Or if Snyder decided the team uniforms would be KKK costumes, you wouldn't complain or whine because you are fan and will support anything?

I'm sure the answer is going to be "no."
I'm sure your would say that there are some things which would drive you to "whine and *****" or whatever you want to characterize it.

And once we have established that your absolute support is a myth, then it only becomes a question of where you draw the line before you quit supporting him. And who are you to say where the line should be drawn? Some of us care about greatness enough that we are already past that line.

[stevenaa]

So there is NOTHING that Snyder can do that would cause you to object and complain about the owner?

So if Snyder moved the team to LA, you would still support him? Or if Snyder changed the named to the Six Flags Bashers, you would still support him? Or if Snyder decided the team uniforms would be KKK costumes, you wouldn't complain or whine because you are fan and will support anything?

I'm sure the answer is going to be "no."
I'm sure your would say that there are some things which would drive you to "whine and *****" or whatever you want to characterize it.

And once we have established that your absolute support is a myth, then it only becomes a question of where you draw the line before you quit supporting him. And who are you to say where the line should be drawn? Some of us care about greatness enough that we are already past that line.


There's tons I don't agree with. I'd be all for an ownership change. But the reality is that is not going to happen. So we're faced with some choices:

1) Whine, cry, pout and basically be a miserable fan.
2) Stop being a fan
3) Get over it and hope for the best. I got over Snyder long ago.


You see, not all fans who aren't bashing him to death are Synder homers. We're not sniffing his jock or burying our head in the sand. It's just time to call it for what it is and move on.

[Whiskeypeet]

Guranteed this thread will regress into a "who is a better fan debate" with the same ******* who pissed and moaned about Gibbs the last two years now crying about Fassel. Nothing changes here.

[bedlamVR]

I quite like the fact the fans ***** and whine about Snyder on the message board he bankrolls . Not saying Om or whoever makes money out of this but as far as I understand the team pays for the bandwidth, not sure if they would or do pay for development costs but I don't know any other team that lets fans have the team sanctioned access to the team that our fan enjoy. There are still teams without an official team sanctioned message board some still require paid subscriptions.

Redskins.com for a long time was the gold standard in terms features and access for team web sites, people complain about XXX radio and yes it does make money from the advertisers and the signal strength sucks locally but I can listen to it in the UK. Previously there was no American Sports radio network available to overseas fans free at at the point of use. If the game wasn't on terrestrial TV or Sky the only way overseas fans can follow it was press clippings

There are fans on here who I can never take seriously...its a fricking game and if you don't want to support your team because you are paying $9.50 for chicken then ... errr okay but you know what I don't care to be honest ... The Skins are a NFL franchise not a charity.....

[stevenaa]

Guranteed this thread will regress into a "who is a better fan debate" with the same ******* who pissed and moaned about Gibbs the last two years now crying about Fassel. Nothing changes here.


I hope not. It's not intended to be about that, and I'm not saying someone is less of a fan for bashing Snyder. Afterall, it is their passion for the team that drives the disdain. I understand that. It's just got to such a feverish pitch that people are acting overjoyed that Snyder got what was coming to him with the Spags process. It's a goofy reaction, as this team goes the way of Snyder.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

Dan Snyder could make for a fine owner... IF he hired good personnel people to do the football thinking for him... Until then... He's a joke.

[Fan since a Fetus]

I'm with you Stevenaa. Except I wouldn't call people "idiots." :) (although I might think it) I know that people have a right to voice their opinion. That is part of the reason I joined extremeskins. Prior to joining, I thought we had one of the more knowledable and loyal fan bases around. Now I really wonder how knowledgable and loyal they are.

I read about people that are going to drop season tickets over Fassel? There is much worse out there. In fact, I do not think he is that bad. The fans that would drop their season tickets and not root for this team are "fairweather fans." Now they can disagree with the hire, but they should still show their Redskins pride.

Snyder has taken his time and I believe that he has picked the coach that he thinks is best. I think he has gone about this search properly! I wish our fan base would give whoever our coach is, probably Fassel, a chance.

If Fassel fails, then we know that it was a bad hire. However, Fassel could come in here and tear it up. The thing is, we won't know until we give him a chance. I personally like Fassel way better than Meeks or Spags. I wanted Mooch, but hey Fassel is not that bad. I really hope that Fassel kicks ..... if he comes here. That way our fan base can take their feet out of their mouths.

Also, if you do not like Snyder find a new team because he is not going anywhere. By the way HE WANTS TO WIN!!!!! Keep that in mind.

[fansince62]

This isn't a war, it's a game. It's a team I choose to be a fan of. I can either stop being a fan, or accept that it is what it is. He's the owner. He's going no where. No amount of whining, bitching and crying is going to change the situation. If your so fed up with it, maybe you should change your name to fanuntil2007 I will continue to root for the team and for the success of the owner, even when I hate what he is doing.

you obviously missed the point...let's be more descriptive then.....if the OP wants to blindly charge into a hail of bullets out of blind allegiance to a flawed leadership philosophy...have at it!!!

there is nothing incompatible in HOPING for the best while harboring abject contempt for the leadership and its ineffectiveness. it's very obvious what we are in for here - pretty much the same we saw last season. up/down and early departures from the playoffs when we trip into them.

Fassell will be outta here after 3 seasons.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

It's pretty bad when you'd rather have Steve Marriucci coaching your team :(

[TotalRecall]

It's not up to me, or you or anyone as to how long he has. It's up to him and he's not going anywhere. So, go root for another team or suck it up and try to stay positive about this one. What is the point in rooting for a team if you've given up hope. You can whine about the GM situation, but you can't change it.

And please tell me who this Great Coach you'd have him hire is. I sure as heck don't see any available.


Not wanting change when there is obvious failure or mediocrity is a loser mentality! Hope implies that there is something good to look forward to. That there is a "change" of the present depressing circumstances for the better. When Gibbs retired, I had hope, because Gibbs' plan wasn't working and a change for the better could be coming. With Fassel, I do not believe that he is the better change and thus don't have the blind faith that you do.

If it were me, I would have hired Spagnuolo and given him just about everything he could want as a NFL head coach. I believe he is the real deal. As a fan, I would have great hope. EDIT: Actually, scratch that. As stated before, if it were me, I would have hired a proven winner in a GM and let him use his best judgment to pick the HC.

Still, wanting change is not "whining". It's wanting something better. If a CEO gives his employees a 2% raise every year while he gets a 25% raise every year, then are you going to keep saying," Let's keep pulling for this guy."? A new employee will probably start looking for work elsewhere, but an employee who's been with the company a much longer time than this CEO will want him to be fired. This is not whining. This is just being disgruntled and human nature.

[jrockster21]

IF you want to blame anyone, make it Coach Joe.

Uhhh...come again? :doh:

[Riggins Seventy Chip]

This is a ridiculous thread and the starter misses the point entirely. People are pissed off at Snyder and he will fail on his own because he gets in his own way. We obviously don't want him to fail, but he will. No one is rooting for him to fail. We just think he is an ******* and is destroying the team that we care about.

[stevenaa]

Not wanting change when there is obvious failure or mediocrity is a loser mentality! Hope implies that there is something good to look forward to. That there is a "change" of the present depressing circumstances for the better. When Gibbs retired, I had hope, because Gibbs' plan wasn't working and a change for the better could be coming. With Fassel, I do not believe that he is the better change and thus don't have the blind faith that you do.

If it were me, I would have hired Spagnuolo and given him just about everything he could want as a NFL head coach. I believe he is the real deal. As a fan, I would have great hope. EDIT: Actually, scratch that. As stated before, if it were me, I would have hired a proven winner in a GM and let him use his best judgment to pick the HC.

Still, wanting change is not "whining". It's wanting something better. If a CEO gives his employees a 2% raise every year while he gets a 25% raise every year, then are you going to keep saying," Let's keep pulling for this guy."? A new employee will probably start looking for work elsewhere, but an employee who's been with the company a much longer time than this CEO will want him to be fired. This is not whining. This is just being disgruntled and human nature.

Because it has gone so much beyond wanting a change or even complaining about it. It's turned to hate filled rants about a GAME played by a team none of us has any control over.

[terpskins]

Only IDIOTS support him NO MATTER WHAT.

[bulldog]

After 8 years as an owner, I think we can critically evaluate Snyder now. He has had time to learn the job, even the added job of unofficial team president that he has granted himself.

But the truth is he and Cerrato have learned nothing. With Gibbs gone, the club in the past 4 weeks has gone right back to looking like the mess it was in 2002 and 2003.

There is no 'glee' in it, only a recognition of the reality.

Would I like to see the Redskins put together a front office and staff as the Nationals have, starting with a guy like Kasten that has successfully built a team before.

But it has not happened. And it is becoming abundantly clear that Snyder would rather lose than possibly hire a GM, win and have to give up an active role in the War Room on draft day.

[Ernie5]

Stevenaa speaks sense. Someone who doesn't see how Snyder has ceded control over football ops to Schottenheimer, Spurrier (had he done something with it) and Gibbs has his or her head in the sand.

[Stadium-Armory]

I don't think that anyone here, who is a true redskins fan, wants Snyder to fail, over the team's sucess. Just to prove a point.

What I think people take pleasure in, is the: "see, I told you so" factor. They like to compile evidence that further enhances their position that he is a detriment to the team. And I thin that's fair. Its their opinion, and they can take satisfaction in highlighting evidence that they perceive to support their position.

[theMEAST21]

This is such a BS thread to start. None of us criticizing Snyder want him to hire fassel...you know why? WE DON'T WANT HIM TO FAIL. Don't start this BS propaganda like when the War started and people who didn't support it were told they "hated america"

[Fetus]

im done with this 2.. sick of the snyder hate... he's the owner and a HUGE fan of the the team that we all love.... and if you say that you used to love it before the owner change your just out of it.... its an owner... big deal.... the team is still the team.... that you love

i support DS and i will until he leaves... he's the owner of MY team and YOUR team

i support dan!

[Stadium-Armory]

This is such a BS thread to start. None of us criticizing Snyder want him to hire fassel...you know why? WE DON'T WANT HIM TO FAIL. Don't start this BS propaganda like when the War started and people who didn't support it were told they "hated america"

yup yup. Its a red herring argument.

Description of Red Herring

A Red Herring is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:


Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned.
This sort of "reasoning" is fallacious because merely changing the topic of discussion hardly counts as an argument against a claim.

[Peregrine]

Take joy?

Take joy in Snyder's failures? Take joy in(I being a sports buff) my favorite sports team being the laughingstock of the NFL? Do I take joy in the Orioles being run by Angelos? Do I NOT wish Fassil would lead us to a superbowl? Of course I do.

I'm a REDSKINS fan. I root for the team and anything that goes into making the team successful. The day Snyder turns things around ill be singing his praises. I dont make take lightly someone turning my favorite team into a joke. Neither should you.