And our next coach is...someone you haven't yet heard about.

[Art]

I was reading the AP story by Joe White and it proposes something I think none of us have considered.

Our next head coach is someone no one has identified as a legitimate possibility. For the inept bumbling many suggest defines this coaching search, the team has been totally silent about candidates. The candidates who have been identified have been identified by the candidates themselves or through their representatives.

When Fassel was identified as "the mystery candidate" perhaps he was merely A mystery candidate. As White said, we did talk to Carroll and it was quite a while after that the story broke that we did. The process seems so involved and cumbersome as to be confusing to all of us, but, what if the time being taken is a reflection of the fact one thing Gibbs did instill into Snyder is patience and fighting off whimsical instinct.

That's what got us Spurrier, who was wanted by all, but interviewed poorly and given the job without due diligence. Our next head coach is unlikely to get the job without at least having been thoroughly able to convince people he's the right man for the job.

Maybe I'm overthinking this and it's Fassel all the way. But, if so, why not hire him weeks ago? I can come up with two reasons. First, the fans hated him and took Snyder back. Somehow I doubt this. I have no doubt he knows the reaction, but I can't believe he really cares. The other thought is when Gibbs left so suddenly and without warning and without taking vacation for two weeks and then announcing, causing the team to scramble, the team did scramble and made up a list of people to talk to.

And they WERE going to do that. They were going to get to every name on that list. Spags just kept coaching too long :).

I imagine the new coach will be announced very quickly.

Will it surprise you if we either haven't heard the name at all, OR, that we have, but never thought he was actually involved with us? None of us saw Gibbs coming. No one out there is as big a name as Gibbs, obviously, so a mystery candidate, if one exists, exists to excite us possibly less than we'd like, and possibly more than we'd imagine.

Something knaws at me that Snyder has never whiffed quite so badly as Fassel would represent, in terms of generating excitement among the fan base with something the team does. Maybe I just want it to be so enough that I can't think clearly, but, a part of me thinks Snyder has another rabbit and his name is not one you'd have thought.

The name can be as crazy as John Madden or as pedestrian as Dennis Green. As hairbrained as Les Miles or as practical as Russ Grimm. I'm just saying I think there's more to this than meets the eye. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. :)

[CrazyZeb]

If we haven't heard his name at all, he definitely passes the tight-lipped keep it in house loyalty test which I'm sure Snyder puts at the top of his list. :laugh:

[AKM311]

Art, I would love for you to be right. But, honestly, can you even name any people that COULD be a surprise while exciting the fan base.

The thing with Grimm is, people have already contacted the Cards to see if we asked for permission and we have not.

[HogNose]

The name can be as crazy as John Madden or as pedestrian as Dennis Green. As hairbrained as Les Miles or as practical as Russ Grimm. I'm just saying I think there's more to this than meets the eye. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. :)

......and in walks "Brian Billick, Washington Redskins new Head Coach" :shot:

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Maybe its Marty :)

[AKM311]

Maybe its Marty :)


I posted that in another thread. This would make my day!

[HOF44]

I REALLY hope you are right and there does turn out to be some method to the madness. Otherwise we will just be left with the madness. ;)

[Boy1Der]

The only problem I have with that is what in the world are we waiting for then how long do we need sit on top of this but i totally agree with you they could pull a name out it. I can't believe snyder waited this long to name Fassel and the mediots have all been predicting that so he doesn't want to vidicate them. If they pull a name out of the hat though I think its Josh McDaniels we waited to interview Spagnuolo maybe we interviewed McDaniels to.

[Art]

Art, I would love for you to be right. But, honestly, can you even name any people that COULD be a surprise while exciting the fan base.

The thing with Grimm is, people have already contacted the Cards to see if we asked for permission and we have not.

The simple answer is Cowher. :).

[RDSKNfaithfull]

3 weeks and counting untill its Mortons and Wizards time. We need to get somebody in here.

[McD5]

Not with this FO Art.

Ten years from now, when Danny finally sells the team, we can have such visions of grandeur.

In the meantime.....set down the pipe....embrace Fossil, and strap it on for a 3-13 season.

[skins4me58203]

I agree 100%. Joe Gibbs name came out of the blue when he was hired. I'm hoping all these names are simply names involved in the process, and Danny will pull another rabbit out of his and and surprise us all again.

[esm9577]

these were my thoughts exactly after it was so quiet for so long after spags withdrew. there is something going on. I too agree that if Fassel was the man then he would be hired right now.

[toba347]

I have been thinking along the same lines... we have not heard anything from Vinnie and it is possible that he has been working in the background looking for a good fit. If that is true it might be a frightening thought, but it would give credence to the silence by the FO. I guess JG needed to teach us patience as we wait to see who our new HC will be. I have no favorites at this time but what worries me is we are losing valuable time for the coaching staff to be putting together plans for the next year, offseason, draft, mini-camps, ota's etc. Teh staff we have in place needs their leader to give direction. That is what concerns me , not who the coach is but the time we are wasting in the preparation for next season.

[Art]

Not with this FO Art.

Ten years from now, when Danny finally sells the team, we can have such visions of grandeur.

In the meantime.....set down the pipe....embrace Fossil, and strap it on for a 3-13 season.

This FO landed a coach who would NEVER coach for Dan Snyder but did. Landed THE hottest, biggest name on the coaching market. Coaxed Joe Gibbs into returning. There's a lot more evidence that visions of grandeur are common and visions of Fossil would be the strange, unaccustomed move.

[bigheadsooner]

The simple answer is Cowher. :).

One can only hope.

[33]

I would be surprised, but not surprised that it happened. (Make sense? :whoknows: )

I really think one interesting thing is that we have no reason to believe that the FO had any list of guys that interest them for the future. I don't know if teams do that as it could erode your confidence in the current "man," but it makes sense that a GM keeps a list of interesting future candidates just as an assistant coach keeps a list of interesting future assistants in the case he becomes a HC.

[Idaho fan]

......and in walks "Brian Billick, Washington Redskins new Head Coach" :shot:


And I thought Fassel was last on my list.

[AKM311]

The simple answer is Cowher. :).

LOL! Ok, nevermind. But I HIGHLY doubt that is the case.

But, hey, with this team you just never know.

[hail2skins]

Art, the more time goes without an announcement, the more plausible what you're thinking becomes. You just get the sense that Snyder might not be as enthralled as he'd want to be about Fassel, Mooch, or Meeks.

The fly in the ointment is the whole coordinator thing. Fassel was linked to Zorn, and Mooch was somehow linked to both. I'm not sure what Meeks' feelings are. But its hard to imagine a new coach not wanting to select at least a good portion of his staff.

[AmishGangsta]

The name can be as crazy as John Madden or as pedestrian as Dennis Green. As hairbrained as Les Miles or as practical as Russ Grimm. I'm just saying I think there's more to this than meets the eye. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. :)

I'm thinking the same thing Art. I expect a twist here soon -- now, I don't know if that's a gut feeling, or that's just because it's become what to expect since Snyder took over. Call it what you will, but Snyder has never failed when it comes to getting the fans ready for an upcoming season, to anticipate and dream about future personnel and future coaches. As fans, I think we've all been spoiled when it comes to that part of it, that's why so many people are freaking out about Fassal -- though, I will admit, the thought of him becoming our next head coach doesn't get me all that excited either.

But I plan to wait it out, and if they hire Fassal, I will try my damnedest to find a way to support the guy -- it will be hard though :)

[McD5]

This FO landed a coach who would NEVER coach for Dan Snyder but did. Landed THE hottest, biggest name on the coaching market. Coaxed Joe Gibbs into returning. There's a lot more evidence that visions of grandeur are common and visions of Fossil would be the strange, unaccustomed move.


No one on earth wants Cowher more than I do.

Go back three weeks.....and erase the boneheaded OC and DC signings....and we still had a prayer.

Nope.....too tough for Danny. He isn't that smart yet. He ruined that whole possibility.

[shallyshal]

This FO landed a coach who would NEVER coach for Dan Snyder but did. Landed THE hottest, biggest name on the coaching market. Coaxed Joe Gibbs into returning. There's a lot more evidence that visions of grandeur are common and visions of Fossil would be the strange, unaccustomed move.

charlie weis

snyder buys out ND and lands a guy who is ill suited for college.. vinnie has the ND connection

[zskins]

......and in walks "Brian Billick, Washington Redskins new Head Coach" :shot:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....no one in the media is talking about him.

[Kilmer]

I really have only two thoughts about the silence...

Fassel no longer makes sense, there is just no point to the last 3 weeks if it was Fassel all along and you were just waiting to interview a Superbowl coordinator. So either our FO is truly as disfunctional and lost as the media and bloggers would make you believe, or we are hiring someone who is not on the list of final 3.

Who that someone is could be anyone from Cowher to Carroll or even Marty. I lean toward it being a College guy though because recruiting would make the wait make sense. Jim Tressel is someone never mentioned and would be the only other high profile college coach I could see Snyder going after.

I never thought of Weis either...excellent NFL resume too.

[Art]

Art, the more time goes without an announcement, the more plausible what you're thinking becomes. You just get the sense that Snyder might not be as enthralled as he'd want to be about Fassel, Mooch, or Meeks.

The fly in the ointment is the whole coordinator thing. Fassel was linked to Zorn, and Mooch was somehow linked to both. I'm not sure what Meeks' feelings are. But its hard to imagine a new coach not wanting to select at least a good portion of his staff.

If the coach has been out of the league or coming from college it would be wise to give him a staff he can build with and he can replace over time as he needs. Again, it's ridiculous and it's not John Madden, but if John Madden came back, or Jimmy Johnson for that matter, do you think they are up to date on assistants right now that they could get a workable staff?

[JOEYG4PREZ]

man i hope you're right.

[Digger]

I'm not too worried about our next HC anymore. I'm just really excited about all the flashy top-10 draft picks we're gonna get for the next ten years or so!

[Hitman#21]

Great post...i view this situation the same way!!!! Theres a reason why he hasnt hired fassel yet and we dont know why!?

[Oldfan]

The forgotten candidate... Jim Schwartz

His contract extension should not be a barrier.

[TheLongshot]

Something knaws at me that Snyder has never whiffed quite so badly as Fassel would represent, in terms of generating excitement among the fan base with something the team does. Maybe I just want it to be so enough that I can't think clearly, but, a part of me thinks Snyder has another rabbit and his name is not one you'd have thought.

Maybe one of the lessons he has learned is that fan excitement doesn't translate into wins. Certainly, for all of his splashy moves, it is lacking in the biggest area: results.

People get excited about a "mystery candidate", when really all it means is that the guy doesn't belong to an NFL team. I know people reacted badly when Fassel was named, but some of that was because they were expecting the "mystery candidate" to be someone who fans could get excited about.

Personally, I think it would be progress if the guy ended up being someone who wasn't exciting to the fanbase, but ended up being the right guy for the job. Both Fassel and Meeks could be those type of guys. Mooch doesn't really qualify, since there is a sizable contingent who would be excited about that.

Jason

[B&G]

I couldn't agree more with you, Art.

Something Dan Snyder said in an interview a week or so ago when asked about the top 3-4 candidates (Fassel, Mariucci, Meeks Spagnoulo) may well reinforce your belief. When the reporter made a reference to these men as the top picks and sought reinforcement from the owner as to his accuracy, Snyder said he was "close". At that point, I thought there may be a mystery candidate.

[ibarramedia]

Dick Vermeil http://www.smiliedepot.com/smilies/emot97.gif

[Mr. Blitz]

I have been thinking the same. I just felt as if Cowher wouldn't want to join a staff that has been chosen for him. Maybe I am wrong...God I hope I am wrong. I think we would ALL embrace Cowher now!!! Who knows..maybe that is why the vacancy of President of Football Operations has not been filled?? Something to hold out hope for at this point :logo:

[Larry Brown #43]

Art, here's a name that would fit your theory to a T:

Dick Vermeil.

There was a hint of talk about Vermeil coming here that leaked out very early in this process, but it didn't grow legs. Could Snyder see Vermeil as a Gibbs-style caretaker?

Hearing that the "big three" remaining candidates (Mooch, Fassel, Meeks) have not yet been contacted by the team after ending talks with Spags, the likelihood of an as-of-yet unreported candidate would seem to grow.

I'm just throwing Vermeil out there as a possibility, but whoever it might be...yes, I'm starting to believe there is someone else out there. Otherwise, I'd say Fassel would already have the job.

[Om]

Seeing as how we've parsed just about about every candidate from Aasimov to Zwick over the past 5 weeks, no matter who the hire ends up being, SOMEONE is going to bump a thread in which they nailed it. :)

That said ... no, I wouldn't be surprised if the final answer is one we didn't see coming either.

[robearlyii]

I was reading the AP story by Joe White and it proposes something I think none of us have considered.

Our next head coach is someone no one has identified as a legitimate possibility. For the inept bumbling many suggest defines this coaching search, the team has been totally silent about candidates. The candidates who have been identified have been identified by the candidates themselves or through their representatives.

When Fassel was identified as "the mystery candidate" perhaps he was merely A mystery candidate. As White said, we did talk to Carroll and it was quite a while after that the story broke that we did. The process seems so involved and cumbersome as to be confusing to all of us, but, what if the time being taken is a reflection of the fact one thing Gibbs did instill into Snyder is patience and fighting off whimsical instinct.

That's what got us Spurrier, who was wanted by all, but interviewed poorly and given the job without due diligence. Our next head coach is unlikely to get the job without at least having been thoroughly able to convince people he's the right man for the job.

Maybe I'm overthinking this and it's Fassel all the way. But, if so, why not hire him weeks ago? I can come up with two reasons. First, the fans hated him and took Snyder back. Somehow I doubt this. I have no doubt he knows the reaction, but I can't believe he really cares. The other thought is when Gibbs left so suddenly and without warning and without taking vacation for two weeks and then announcing, causing the team to scramble, the team did scramble and made up a list of people to talk to.

And they WERE going to do that. They were going to get to every name on that list. Spags just kept coaching too long :).

I imagine the new coach will be announced very quickly.

Will it surprise you if we either haven't heard the name at all, OR, that we have, but never thought he was actually involved with us? None of us saw Gibbs coming. No one out there is as big a name as Gibbs, obviously, so a mystery candidate, if one exists, exists to excite us possibly less than we'd like, and possibly more than we'd imagine.

Something knaws at me that Snyder has never whiffed quite so badly as Fassel would represent, in terms of generating excitement among the fan base with something the team does. Maybe I just want it to be so enough that I can't think clearly, but, a part of me thinks Snyder has another rabbit and his name is not one you'd have thought.

The name can be as crazy as John Madden or as pedestrian as Dennis Green. As hairbrained as Les Miles or as practical as Russ Grimm. I'm just saying I think there's more to this than meets the eye. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. :)


Guess we just need to keep tracking Redskins 1

[corrupt3d]

Art, the more time goes without an announcement, the more plausible what you're thinking becomes. You just get the sense that Snyder might not be as enthralled as he'd want to be about Fassel, Mooch, or Meeks.

The fly in the ointment is the whole coordinator thing. Fassel was linked to Zorn, and Mooch was somehow linked to both. I'm not sure what Meeks' feelings are. But its hard to imagine a new coach not wanting to select at least a good portion of his staff.



Meeks liked the staff situation if I recall correctly.

[TheLongshot]

Art, here's a name that would fit your theory to a T:

Dick Vermeil.

Problem there is that if it was him, Saunders would still be around.

Jason

[Ant15fromNJ]

Just please not Fassel.

[pscsean]

charlie weis

snyder buys out ND and lands a guy who is ill suited for college.. vinnie has the ND connection

now that would be a big fat "rabbitt out the hat" move that NOONE has thought about and strange enough it is very plausible. I could get behind that move. I just cant see ND letting him go easy and i wonder if his college contract is setup for him to take a pro job?

[corrupt3d]

Though the more I think about this, I cant help but agree.

Snyder has to have something up his sleeve. If it were down to Mooch, Meeks or Fossel I'm sure he would have announced something by now.


Les Miles would be an interesting possibility. How do you all feel about him?

[Pedro]

What we do know is we don't know. We are fuelling each other's fears and it could well be for no reason. Even if we end up with Fassel now it sure doesn't look like Dan wanted it that way either.

Other than being crap at handling the media, which we already knew, The Danny hasn't done anything wrong so far that we know for definite. Innocent until proven guilty and as a fellow fan we probably owe him better. He should sign up on these boards because if he was a member he wouldn't get a lot of this hate stuff because it's rightly against the rules.

Just saying...

[ibarramedia]

Another name with some ties, here Mike Tice.

[Larry Brown #43]

Problem there is that if it was him, Saunders would still be around.

You're probably right. But as I mentioned later in my post, even if it's not Vermeil, I think the likelihood is increasing that there's someone else out there we're talking to or considering.

[jrockster21]

The simple answer is Cowher. :).


Cowher will never come to DC - he will want total control of personnel, which Danny will never give up.

[Larry Brown #43]

now that would be a big fat "rabbitt out the hat" move that NOONE has thought about and strange enough it is very plausible. I could get behind that move. I just cant see ND letting him go easy and i wonder if his college contract is setup for him to take a pro job?
Are you kidding? ND is regretting the day they hired Weis. He's a disaster.

[HogNose]

Here is another one->> Bruce Coslett :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[rlt2622]

Maybe its Marty :)

i think marty would be a great coach. he took the chargers to the playoffs a lot. a lot of people will say that he sucks in the playoffs, but look how long it took the giants win the SB. so im all for marty.

[Pedro]

I'm not too worried about our next HC anymore. I'm just really excited about all the flashy top-10 draft picks we're gonna get for the next ten years or so!

The Danny spends too much for us to be consistently that bad in relation to everyone else, even though we are bad. If you get my drift. Now if he was tight with the dollars too I'd be onboard the #1 draft pick train :laugh:

[SkinzfaninFredrick]

An interesting perspective on the coaching search process.

[TheLongshot]

You're probably right. But as I mentioned later in my post, even if it's not Vermeil, I think the likelihood is increasing that there's someone else out there we're talking to or considering.

You know, I like the idea that it could be a college coach. The reason why is that it makes sense that he'd have a staff at the ready. One of the big negatives about Spurrier's staff was the poor choice of assistants on offense (Kim Helton, anyone?)

It also makes me wonder if John Palermo reported hiring is somehow related.

Jason

[stevenaa]

I noted in other threads that maybe we never knew who the mystery candidate was. So I wouldn't be hugely surprised. It might also be that none of the candidates stood out through the interview process. Could simply be that there isn't a good candidate available. So he is wrestling with what to do. All I know is I'd prefer he take his time and try to make the best decision he can. If it's Fassel, I'm allright with that. He's taking way too much heat on this site.

[Blue Collar Skins]

Seeing as how we've parsed just about about every candidate from Aasimov to Zwick over the past 5 weeks, no matter who the hire ends up being, SOMEONE is going to bump a thread in which they nailed it. :)

That said ... no, I wouldn't be surprised if the final answer is one we didn't see coming either.
Get thee back spawn of Snyder (according to a respected news source WCP) :laugh:

I wouldn't be surprised, but I think Snyder has learned from Gibbs and to take his time and do his due diligence.

That being said maybe Joe Gibbs comes back? :D

[ibarramedia]

Art, here's a name that would fit your theory to a T:

Dick Vermeil.

There was a hint of talk about Vermeil coming here that leaked out very early in this process, but it didn't grow legs. Could Snyder see Vermeil as a Gibbs-style caretaker?

Hearing that the "big three" remaining candidates (Mooch, Fassel, Meeks) have not yet been contacted by the team after ending talks with Spags, the likelihood of an as-of-yet unreported candidate would seem to grow.

I'm just throwing Vermeil out there as a possibility, but whoever it might be...yes, I'm starting to believe there is someone else out there. Otherwise, I'd say Fassel would already have the job.

LOL I just said that in post #33. Anyway the names thrown out here are better than Buddy Ryan or Jerry Glanville. If they put either of those two in then they've totally lost it. To a lesser extent Sam Wyche would most certainly raise eyebrows.

[Nashvilleskin]

Has that Lane Kiffen thing straightened out in Raiderland yet?

[RWJ]

Dan very well could be trying to wear Cowher down and has talked to him in between interviews trying to get him to come out of retirement. I truly believe he was the heir apparent to JG after his original contract ran out for next season. You could see that Snyder was as shocked as everyone else when he made his speech at the JG's resignation announcement on camera. Snyder didn't know anyone else to turn to other than his old buddy Vinny.

[China]

I imagine the new coach will be announced very quickly.



It's too late for that. Even if they announced it today, it would be far from quick.

I'm with you though, in that a surprise, any surprise would be interesting. I have my doubts though. I'm beginning to think it's taking so long because none of the candidates he has interviewed has fully met his criteria or wowed him, and he's having a hard time deciding whether to go with the BCA (best coach available) from those he interviewed, or looking for new candidates.

[corrupt3d]

Granted, Snyder could spend the next few days figuring out if he's willing to give up personnel control...

[posse87]

As far as Grimm is concerned,I am pretty certian a team doesn't need permission to talk with a candidate who is being interviewed for a promotion. Therefore the skins would not ask permission since they want to keep the whole thing secret. We didn't ask permission to speak with Schwartz, Meeks, Spagnuola, etc. It was just that the info was leaked so Art is right the new hire could come out of nowhere. I just find it highly unlikely that with all the snooping of the media and anonymous sources out there that we wouldn't find out. You would think there would be a story about Grimm being contacted and asked directly and him denying it.

[ibarramedia]

It's too late for that. Even if they announced it today, it would be far from quick.

I'm with you though, in that a surprise, any surprise would be interesting. I have my doubts though. I'm beginning to think it's taking so long because none of the candidates he has interviewed has fully met his criteria or wowed him, and he's having a hard time deciding whether to go with the BCA (best coach available) from those he interviewed, or looking for new candidates.

That probably means he will go with an interim coach. The Head Coaching search will be continued after next season.

[ibarramedia]

i think marty would be a great coach. he took the chargers to the playoffs a lot. a lot of people will say that he sucks in the playoffs, but look how long it took the giants win the SB. so im all for marty.

I like Marty too but that did not work out.

[Butz65]

The main issue that throws this whole situation out of whack is the fact that we've already named the two top Coordinators. That implies that a candidate was already tapped who bought in to both of them. That would point to Fassel he wanted Zorn as his OC. However if Fassel is the choice why the wait now in announcing him?

I'm thinking that Fassel was the man a few weeks ago. Someone told Snyder to wait and see who would emerge from the Super Bowl. Snyder then fully expected Spags to sign not realizing that Spags was only using the Skins as leverage against the Giants. Now Spags in gone and the bloom is off of Fassel and Snyder is left scrambling to find another candidate. There's no other reason to not have signed someone by now (mystery candidate or not). Valuable time is ticking away while other teams are prepping for free agency and the draft and game planning for next season.

[Burgundy Burner]

I've been saying (for several days in the aircraft tracking thread) that a surprise is coming. I have no evidence to support my claim - it's based on a hunch and what DS has done in the past.

Also, the media has said that Fassel, Meeks, Mooch, and Spags were the finalists. I never heard the FO mention who the finalists are at this point.

And the beat goes on...

[Peregrine]

I think you are overthinking it. Or am I overthinking your overthinking of it....

Regardless, I just dont see it. You assume that if the next coach is a mystery candidate, its because Snyder is doing due process. Then why havent we seen multiple interviews? Surely its not due process to at the last second, hire some mystery candidate without so much as more than a couple hours of talks. Why the 3-4 interviews with Fassil if there wasnt legitimate interest? Why the hiring of all of the assistant coaches?

It comes back to that. All of the assistant coaches have been fired and hired, the serious candidates have all been interviewed multiple times. Either we will know about a mystery candidate well before the hiring, or Snyder will make a huge mistake and hire someone he didnt do due diligence on, and whos so willing for a job hes willing to take anything. I think we would all like to think that there is some other candidate out there, but all the evidence points otherwise. At this point its a pipe dream.

[Aston]

Jim Tressel would be the only college coach that would excite me.

Not just because I think he could be successful at this level, but also that I'm a HUGE Penn State fan and I'm sick of the Buckeyes owning us every year.

[meshelman]

Joe Bugel is still on the staff. He has a home in Arz. and has been a HC before. Also learned under Gibbs........I'm just saying

[Pedro]

I'm beginning to think it's taking so long because none of the candidates he has interviewed has fully met his criteria or wowed him, and he's having a hard time deciding whether to go with the BCA (best coach available) from those he interviewed, or looking for new candidates.

If this is the case I owe DS an apology. That would be a big queue...

[McD5]

Jim Tressel would be the only college coach that would excite me.

Not just because I think he could be successful at this level, but also that I'm a HUGE Penn State fan and I'm sick of the Buckeyes owning us every year.


Please no one from the little 10.

Tressel plays no one....then gets exposed for what he is when he does play a big game---A total farce.

[Raub]

Chuck Knox is going to be reunited with his old QB, Zorn.

[fansince62]

I like your thinking Art. Bottom line....gulp...is we have to trust that DS/VC have the same expectations of excellence that we have (i.e., other motives do not dominate).

[REDALERT]

C'mon people John Madden :laugh:. This is making me delirious right about now, John Madden.


Now I can see maybe Don Shula, but John Madden :rolleyes:

Come to think of it, what's the 2007 EA Sports Madden Champion name, maybe Snyder could give him a call.

[HailSkinz1]

I've stated several times that I think it's been Fassel all along. I think Snyder did react to the fans' reaction and decided to slow down the process, but I don't think he ever really wavered from Fassel. We all know he liked Fassel four years ago. All the other interviews were just so Snyder could tell the fans and media that he did his due diligence and make it look like he wasn't trigger happy.

Right now, what would be worse? Hiring Fassel, or hiring the guys Fassel recommended or okayed to be the coordinators and then NOT hiring Fassel?

To me, the latter would be worse at this point (Edit: I should clarify - I mean to say that the latter move would make Snyder look worse, not that I don't want that to happen).

Hail,

H

[Butz65]

This goes somewhat against my earlier post but another theory would be that we're negotiating with someone who has other contract issues involved. Those issues would have to be resolved prior to annoucing the signing (like a head coach from another team). Might explain the delay and mystery nature of the discussions. Also might explain why the staff has largely been put in place before the announcement.

[kingfish50]

The forgotten candidate... Jim Schwartz

His contract extension should not be a barrier.


Oldfan, just out of curiosity, why Schwartz? I think he's been the DC at Tenn for the last 3 years and his defenses were terrible up until this past season. He didn't inherit a bad defense either as they were rated in the top 10 prior to Schwartz taking over.
I respect your opinions here and it's killing me as to why you're high on this guy. I just don't see it but then again, I don't see anything in any of the candidates interviewed thus far.

[AFskinsfan]

I want Mike Ditka! The fact the he likes to trade all of his draft picks should sit well with Vinny.

[robearlyii]

I heard the next head coach will be Dick Cheney. We will waterboard all our opponents until they give up.

[gardner47]

I know the speculation that Fassel was the one who picked the coordinators. But was there something I missed that confirmed that these where his choices that he wanted in place for him to coach in DC.

[Monk4thaHALL]

(like a head coach from another team).

Who were you thinking of?

[gardner47]

Who were you thinking of?

Wade Phillips

[Ernie5]

Certainly possible, but I sorta hope it isn't Dennis Green. And while, sure, it might be a publicity whiff to hire Jim Fassel, if he's the RIGHT hire (and I'm not saying it is or it isn't), that goes by the boards very quickly. Snyder knows that he has a highly tempermental and easily freaked-out fanbase for the Skins, but he also knows that we're not fickle. Loyalty would give him the luxury of bringing on an unpopular choice if he really thought Fassel was the answer.

[Monk4thaHALL]

:puke:
Wade Phillips

[33]

What about the possibility that they interviewed their whole list and took a look back and said, "Wow, this is not an impressive list."

Because, that's what I keep saying to myself. :)

[RoidRage]

Cowher and Grimm don't make sense b/c of the hiring of a West Coast OC. Who's out there that runs a WC offense and would be a good (secret) HC ?? And why the wait ???

[Kilmer]

Oh crap, did not think of him...I LOVE MIKE DITKA!

But how old is he ... lol

[SkinsNut73]

....so are you trying to tell me that all these reports of Redskins One flying out to NFL Network studios to court Steve Mariucci are untrue?

....and that they were actually courting Jim Mora Sr.???

(cue the Playoffs? sound clip)

:)

[robearlyii]

I've also heard that Rudy Ray Moore is a possibility.

[wunderhill]

Maybe it is Fassel and they are waiting til monday to release it for a full weeks coverage

[The_cavalierman]

I would hope it's Grimm

It's time for the Hog to come home

[HailSkinz1]

I know the speculation that Fassel was the one who picked the coordinators. But was there something I missed that confirmed that these where his choices that he wanted in place for him to coach in DC.

I don't think anything during this entire process has been confirmed. But at the time, it was well reported that Zorn was Fassel's guy and that Fassel approved of promoting Blache.

The only way to confirm it would be to talk to Snyder, Vinny, or Fassel, and they ain't talkin'. (Unless you consider that exclusive "interview" Bram had with Snyder the other day).

Hail,

H

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

The simple answer is Cowher. :).

That would generate excitement.

I just can't see why Cowher - who was always demanding more power in Pittsburgh - would take a totally neutered Head Coaching position in DC.

What makes me suspect there is no rabbit is simply that no "exciting" coach would come into a situation where he has no say on the staff and no vote on personnel.

Even Denny Green would demand more.

[bigheadsooner]

I want Mike Ditka! The fact the he likes to trade all of his draft picks should sit well with Vinny.

That last part made me laugh outloud.

Just announce it already. Unless of course DS and his monkeys have no idea and are trying to get Denny Green (:shot: ) or someone else from the Home of Coaching Retreads.

[motorhead]

The simple answer is Cowher. :).

I knew it !!! :40oz:I'm getting drunk tonight.

[HailSkinz1]

You know, Jim Zorn has ties to Dennis Erickson......

And Erickson is coaching in Arizona....

Wouldn't that make the Fassel hire look a helluva lot better?

Hail,

H

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Another name with some ties, here Mike Tice.

Well...that would get my heart beating.

Word to the wise: Do not hire coaches who suffer from Mild Functional Retardation.

[Butz65]

Who were you thinking of?

No one specifically comes to mind. Just thought it might explain the strange circumstances around this process (signing of Coordinators, delay in announcement, etc.).

[Higgs44]

Sorry...but this FO has done nothing to make me think they could actually do something right.

Then again, even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in a while.

[Lombardi's_kid_brother]

Dan very well could be trying to wear Cowher down and has talked to him in between interviews trying to get him to come out of retirement. I truly believe he was the heir apparent to JG after his original contract ran out for next season. You could see that Snyder was as shocked as everyone else when he made his speech at the JG's resignation announcement on camera. Snyder didn't know anyone else to turn to other than his old buddy Vinny.

Cowher hated sharing personell responsibilities with Tom Donahoe. Do you think he wants to work with Vinny?

When Cowher comes back, he will get the following from someone:

1. Enough money to buy Raleigh, North Carolina.
2. Complete control over personell
3. Complete control over his staff.

Danny can only offer one of these.

[RedskinsSuperBowl21]

Thanks for the insight, this whole debacle is getting so old I really just want any head coach at this point so we can move into the offseason.

[Davesupes]

If it was Fassel, they would have announced him as head coach by now. Meeks is still in the running, I believe and possibly Mooch, who is a WCO guru (fits with Zorn) But I am leaning more towards the poster's train of thought. I think Snyder is being overly meticulous and won't just name a head coach out of desperation. (contrary to how much we the "oh so educated" fans might disagree) The process of hiring a head coach is a taxing endeavor for both an owner and the team it affects. It's hard to preach patience, when mine is fading, but I want this done right, with the right candidate.
Hail. :point2sky

[gortiz]

Okay, so who? just for fun. (don't mean to hijack this sucker Art)

Grimm?

Jimmy Johnson?

Promote Blanch? again ...

Charlie Weis?

[chrisxcore]

Maybe Snyder/Cerrato need to take a week vacation, clean the slate and start over again.

Another week of chaos around here, yes, but if it meant we made the right choice in the end, I think we'd all agree that it'd be worth it.

[Butz65]

I think Snyder is being overly meticulous and won't just name a head coach out of desperation. (contrary to how much we the "oh so educated" fans might disagree) The process of hiring a head coach is a taxing endeavor for both an owner and the team it affects. It's hard to preach patience, when mine is fading, but I want this done right, with the right candidate.
Hail. :point2sky

Except that this is one area where you can't afford to drag things out too far. Unless we assume that the new Head Coach will agree with whatever Zorn and Blache have come up with in the interim - someone needs to work on evalauting the current roster, game planning for next season, looking at changes via free agency and the draft. How can that be done without understanding the philosophy of the new coach? Every day delayed now is a day of prep lost.

[Mad Mike]

OK, I admit it. It's me. :D

[AFskinsfan]

I've got it!! It just came to me. The perfect hire, the one guy that we can all get behind, the one guy that is flashy enough for old danny boy (not tall enough for a capitol D). John Riggins!! Think about it who would be more loved by the fans? Especially when he B**** slapps Vinny for talking out of line. He would be the Triple H to our Vince McMahon! Hey danny boy, can you say beer bath at half time? Maybe you and vinny in a creamed corn cage match?? I think I would almost pay to see that. Does that make me gay?

[SkinPower49]

I know Danny boy is trying to be thorough, but in my opinion the longer it takes the more foolish we look! The Skins' headcoach position should be held in high esteem not run from or laughed at. As long as it is not Fassel I can deal with it. When he was with the Giants, his team quit on him. I hope that they take a chance on a relative unknown just like Gibbs was when he was hired.

[GSF]

Something knaws at me that Snyder has never whiffed quite so badly as Fassel would represent, in terms of generating excitement among the fan base with something the team does. Maybe I just want it to be so enough that I can't think clearly, but, a part of me thinks Snyder has another rabbit and his name is not one you'd have thought.


That pretty much sums up that last couple of weeks for me. I keep thinking he can't be dumb enough to hire Fassel, so there must be something else going on.

It seems like Mooch is the best fit at this point. He's a players coach, he doesn't mind Vinny, and he's worked with both coordinators. Maybe the leading candidate is Mooch and they're just downplaying it for whatever reason.

[RWJ]

On a serious note, we need to get someone in here pronto. The 2008 NFL Combine starts on 2/20. I would think the new HC should be in place so he can be there to evaluate the players.

[Cpt.Chaos47]

As far as Grimm is concerned,I am pretty certian a team doesn't need permission to talk with a candidate who is being interviewed for a promotion. Therefore the skins would not ask permission since they want to keep the whole thing secret. We didn't ask permission to speak with Schwartz, Meeks, Spagnuola, etc. It was just that the info was leaked so Art is right the new hire could come out of nowhere. I just find it highly unlikely that with all the snooping of the media and anonymous sources out there that we wouldn't find out. You would think there would be a story about Grimm being contacted and asked directly and him denying it.

A team most definately has to ask permission to interview a member of another team's coaching staff, even for a HC position. Teams as a rule don't stop teams from interviewing members of their coaching staff as long as the position they are interviewing for is a promotion. The Redskins had to get permission to talk to Meeks, Spagnoulo, Schwartz. They also had to get permission to talk to Jim Zorn.

[MurrayH81]

just some random thoughts:

1. The hire will be Fassel, but he has his head so far inside Snyder's body cavity, the surgery is taking a while.

2. Danny bought the rights from the Lombardi family to have Vince exhumed and cloned, and they are bringing him up to speed on the changes to the game now.

3. Danny has hired Brittany Spears, and is waiting for her hospital release.

4. The original poster is correct, its a mystery candidate and Danny has bought/exhumed/cloned Alfred Hitchcock and Rod Serling to do the play by play and intro for said candidate, and they are having some trouble with that process.

/lol

[ibarramedia]

This thread has kind of gone out of control. For an unexpected unknown i guess Steve Deberg would be someone totally unexpected, but at least NFL coaching related.
At this point I'm really just waiting..... This is all mind numbing.

[stevenaa]

I know Danny boy is trying to be thorough, but in my opinion the longer it takes the more foolish we look! The Skins' headcoach position should be held in high esteem not run from or laughed at. As long as it is not Fassel I can deal with it. When he was with the Giants, his team quit on him. I hope that they take a chance on a relative unknown just like Gibbs was when he was hired.


Because how it looks should be paramount to hiring the best coach available. :doh:

Just maybe none of the candidates interviewed well. It may be a case of best of the bunch. Maybe he's struggling with Fassel as much as many other are, but Fassel is the best of the bunch. I wouldn't want to be in his posistion.

[bigheadsooner]

I've got it!! It just came to me. The perfect hire, the one guy that we can all get behind, the one guy that is flashy enough for old danny boy (not tall enough for a capitol D). John Riggins!! Think about it who would be more loved by the fans? Especially when he B**** slapps Vinny for talking out of line. He would be the Triple H to our Vince McMahon! Hey danny boy, can you say beer bath at half time? Maybe you and vinny in a creamed corn cage match?? I think I would almost pay to see that. Does that make me gay?

Yes!!!!!

[Seabee1973]

This FO landed a coach who would NEVER coach for Dan Snyder but did. Landed THE hottest, biggest name on the coaching market. Coaxed Joe Gibbs into returning. There's a lot more evidence that visions of grandeur are common and visions of Fossil would be the strange, unaccustomed move.

Fossil would also be a good move because it mean Snyder isnt fixated on the big name. Big names doesnt nautomatically mean superbowls as we have found out

[Pedro]

I've got it!! It just came to me. The perfect hire, the one guy that we can all get behind, the one guy that is flashy enough for old danny boy (not tall enough for a capitol D). John Riggins!! Think about it who would be more loved by the fans? Especially when he B**** slapps Vinny for talking out of line. He would be the Triple H to our Vince McMahon! Hey danny boy, can you say beer bath at half time? Maybe you and vinny in a creamed corn cage match?? I think I would almost pay to see that. Does that make me gay?

:applause: great post!

[kingfish50]

Now we are down to making Little Danny look like the genius. I'm sure he's still looking for the Big name coach to come here and if anybody thought different, then they have been out of the country for the last 10 years.
I guess you can hope that Art's scenario is the case here and I'm sure Little Danny has been hounding a particular non candidate to death but I still think it was Mr. Fizzel, thus you have the hiring of Zorn and the attempt at getting Rex Ryan over here. To the astonishment of Little Danny, Rex Ryan said no thanks and opted to stay in Baltimore and with the fans ready for a revolution over the rumors of Mr. Fizzel being hired, Little Danny promoted Blache to DC and fed the lions a little story about continuity and you fell for it.
This quelled the rebellion down a bit and as the Giants were still in the playoffs, the talk in the media was about Spagnuolo and his vaunted defense. This might have caught Little Danny's attention and he became more enamoured with him after the Green Bay game. This was going to be Little Danny's ticket out of the hot seat with the fans as Mr. Fizzel was looking less attractive each passing day, but because he hadn't officially informed Mr. Fizzell, he could set him to the side for now and concentrate on Spagnuolo.
Now much to the surprise of Little Danny again, Spagnuolo leaves Washington and flies back to NY and immediately signs a 3 year extension at 2 plus million a year. Little Danny's spin machine goes into overdrive and leaks to the media that Spags and Little Danny felt that he just wasn't ready to take on the responsibilities as a HC. Spags denies ever having said that and again, it's back to Little Danny spreading false rumors to try and save face for yet another potential HC turning down Little Danny with all of his money and just using him to get a fat raise from his current employer.
Nope, this isn't Little Danny being the master of brilliance behind the scenes, this is Little Danny having reality smack him in the face. This is what goes around, comes around and now he's the one being used and embarrassed and finding out that there are some people out there that can't be bought for any amount of money, only the ones desperate enough to cede their dignity to the likes of people like him for one last shot at fame and a fat check.

[HigSkin]

I couldn't agree more with you, Art.

Something Dan Snyder said in an interview a week or so ago when asked about the top 3-4 candidates (Fassel, Mariucci, Meeks Spagnoulo) may well reinforce your belief. When the reporter made a reference to these men as the top picks and sought reinforcement from the owner at to his accuracy, Snyder said he was "close". At that point, I thought there may be a mystery candidate.

Not only that but Bram asked Snyder (HOF presser) about the interviewing process and it taking so long. He responded by saying something like it takes time to interview 9 candidates. Well, we cannot account for that many!

[Norvitis]

Maybe its Billy Bob Thornton, who coached the Bad News Bears to the championship game.

[gbear]

For names nobody seems to be thinking about, what about Buges? He's got HC experience even if it didn't go well, and he's already in with the team...ah well just a thought.

[chrisxcore]

Now we are down to making Little Danny look like the genius. I'm sure he's still looking for the Big name coach to come here and if anybody thought different, then they have been out of the country for the last 10 years.
I guess you can hope that Art's scenario is the case here and I'm sure Little Danny has been hounding a particular non candidate to death but I still think it was Mr. Fizzel, thus you have the hiring of Zorn and the attempt at getting Rex Ryan over here. To the astonishment of Little Danny, Rex Ryan said no thanks and opted to stay in Baltimore and with the fans ready for a revolution over the rumors of Mr. Fizzel being hired, Little Danny promoted Blache to DC and fed the lions a little story about continuity and you fell for it.
This quelled the rebellion down a bit and as the Giants were still in the playoffs, the talk in the media was about Spagnuolo and his vaunted defense. This might have caught Little Danny's attention and he became more enamoured with him after the Green Bay game. This was going to be Little Danny's ticket out of the hot seat with the fans as Mr. Fizzel was looking less attractive each passing day, but because he hadn't officially informed Mr. Fizzell, he could set him to the side for now and concentrate on Spagnuolo.
Now much to the surprise of Little Danny again, Spagnuolo leaves Washington and flies back to NY and immediately signs a 3 year extension at 2 plus million a year. Little Danny's spin machine goes into overdrive and leaks to the media that Spags and Little Danny felt that he just wasn't ready to take on the responsibilities as a HC. Spags denies ever having said that and again, it's back to Little Danny spreading false rumors to try and save face for yet another potential HC turning down Little Danny with all of his money and just using him to get a fat raise from his current employer.
Nope, this isn't Little Danny being the master of brilliance behind the scenes, this is Little Danny having reality smack him in the face. This is what goes around, comes around and now he's the one being used and embarrassed and finding out that there are some people out there that can't be bought for any amount of money, only the ones desperate enough to cede their dignity to the likes of people like him for one last shot at fame and a fat check.

According to numerous reports, Spagnuolo was never offered the position. According to other reports, it was mutually decided between he and Snyder that he was not ready to be a Head Coach in the NFL.

I'm willing to bet that if Snyder wanted Spags here, he would be. :2cents:

[kingfish50]

According to numerous reports, Spagnuolo was never offered the position. According to other reports, it was mutually decided between he and Snyder that he was not ready to be a Head Coach in the NFL.

I'm willing to bet that if Snyder wanted Spags here, he would be. :2cents:


I don't know about any offer but Spags denied ever having said anything about him not being ready to be a head coach.
Go a head and believe the Snyder spin machine but I'm going with Spags on this one as he has no reason to lie about this. Can the same be said about Little Danny?

[HogNose]

I seriously think the reason it's been so quiet in the past 24 hours is because Snyder and Vinny are hunkered down with Joe Bugel at Redskins Park working on a deal and a game plan to promote him. This would get the team heading in a direction...for now.

[RoidRage]

Anyone know when the NFL is going to do another expansion ..... lol .... rooting for a expansion team can't be any worse than this crap. JK --- Life long Skins fan here to stay ... I think !!! lol

[Joe Sick]

Bill Cowher?

Pete Carroll?

Charlie Weis?

Dick Vermeil?

Dennis Green?

Jerry Glanville?

Jimmy Johnson?

Mack Brown?

Butch Davis?

Joe Bugel?

Richie Petitbone?

Me?

[RoidRage]

Bill Cowher?


Jerry Glanville?

Mack Brown?

Butch Davis?

Me?

uhhhhmmm :doh:

[Robbnva]

Bill Cowher or Brian Bellichik are my picks for secret candidates.

[HogNose]

Bill Cowher?

Pete Carroll?

Charlie Weis?

Dick Vermeil?

Dennis Green?


No....Bruce Coslett:doh:

[Flipluvdaskins]

What about iron Mike Ditka - we wouldn't have to worry about him trading away too many picks because Danny already does that.

Ditka is god!!

[JimmiJo]

I knew it !!! :40oz:I'm getting drunk tonight.

No fair, you were gonna do that anyway...

:)

[Walking Deadman]

Hooray,
mystery candidate!!!!!!! :applause:

[redskinbob]

The next head coach of the Redskins is..................Russ Grimm!!!!!!!!!!

[SkinsNatsFan]

What I don't understand at this point is now that Spagnuolo has been interviewed and ruled out, what's the hold up? The coaches they had to wait until this week for were those in the Super Bowl. While waiting for the Super Bowl to be played, they could have easily made their decision based on the interviews to date. Once they were done with Spagnuolo, the process, it would seem, should have been short and simple, regardless of who it is.

[AFskinsfan]

I want Mike Ditka! The fact the he likes to trade all of his draft picks should sit well with Vinny.


What about iron Mike Ditka - we wouldn't have to worry about him trading away too many picks because Danny already does that.

Ditka is god!!

Great minds think alike!

[ffxfinest]

Very possible. If our next HC is someone that hasn't really been mentioned like John Madden I'm not going to follow any future coaching searches...

[Peregrine]

Its so exciting to be a Skins fan! We dont even know who our coach will be! I dont think we have to speculate as to the possible mystery candidates though, as that "Who the hell should I hire" song on youtube took care of that. If the candidate isnt someone on that list something is seriously wrong. It even covered Mr. T and Mr. Ed if I remember correctly.

[angel2]

......and in walks "Brian Billick, Washington Redskins new Head Coach" :shot:





I think that would make some of us happy. Fassel is sooooo boring.

[angel2]

The simple answer is Cowher. :).




I've heard so much talk about Cowher being the second coming. Way too much expectations for Bill Cowher.

It took Cowher a long time to pull the trigger with his young teams over his career. He had a owner who stuck by him. Don't know if Daniel has that much patience if Bill can't deliver.

[1972FAN]

Who ever it is he has ALOT of WORK ahead of HIM with FA, Resignings and the Draft.

[jthor99]

We should hire Russ Grimm

[andyman]

Let's all take a page from the lessons according to Gibbs.

Asked at Gibbs press conference just what he had learned from Gibbs, Snyder thought then responded: patience.

[akorn22]

I think snyder should make a reality TV show based on hiring our next head coach. THis way he can even make money off of the hiring process

[Morneblade]

Let's all take a page from the lessons according to Gibbs.

Asked at Gibbs press conference just what he had learned from Gibbs, Snyder thought then responded: patience.

ANDYMAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Any tidbits of info you could feed us? Pretty please?:D

[33]

Let's all take a page from the lessons according to Gibbs.

Asked at Gibbs press conference just what he had learned from Gibbs, Snyder thought then responded: patience.

Hey Andyman,

Most of us don't have a problem with patience. We have a problem with the list of candidates. :)

[HogNose]

In a perfect world Danny would sell the team to Borat & Azamat



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[SkinsFTW]

The whole secrecy thing makes no sense at all. When there were several teams competing for the coaches I understood. Now it's just driving the medias speculation, which Snyder himself said he wanted to replace with Redskins.com. Right? Thats why the media is having fun with this. Snyder wanted to be his own media because he'd tell it like it is without media speculation. Instead we get silence.

To me it just seems that even Snyderatto understand that they are seen as buffoons and them making it known who they are interviewing will make them look bad. Because they probably half believe it.

So they want to keep everything under wraps, leak a name when they are ready to see the reaction, then if its a negative reaction they can claim they didn't interview him or offer him the job. There are plenty here on ES who will gladly make that claim for them in every thread out here now anyway. "How do you know that they offered him the job?" "You are just speculating that he was interviewed" etc.

It's this big secret, but WTF for?

One answer is because they have no clue what they are doing and are tired of showing their asses.

[jbooma]

The name can be as crazy as John Madden or as pedestrian as Dennis Green. As hairbrained as Les Miles or as practical as Russ Grimm. I'm just saying I think there's more to this than meets the eye. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. :)


The name you mentioned I have actually thought it would be is Green. He did bad in Arizona but everyone does bad there, and he did develop a decent QB in minny.

I would not be shocked at all right now. Like I said somewhere else the probowl is sunday give us a dam coach already :)

[kwitt]

Ten years from now, when Danny finally sells the team, we can have such visions of grandeur.

He is going to sell the team in ten years?? I'd take that in a heartbeat. I figured most of us received a life sentence with the Danny.

[texasthunder]

You know it still could be Fossil, and they are trying to work out the contract details. IE money, length of contract, etc.


I would not think these things would be hashed out till they are ready to pull the trigger on the selection.

I still would like to see Grimm or Mooch.

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

God I hope your right, Fossil just erks me.

[kingfish50]

Wow, such words of wisdom Andyman, I'm impressed. Tell Little Danny patience isn't the problem here, it's his lack of respect for individuals and this organization.

[ECU-ALUM]

I would love for a surprise candidate to pop out of nowhere somehow though I have my doubts.

[Peregrine]

I have to ask... is everyone calling "Fassil" Fossil on purpose, or is it just one big accident?

I find it funny.

[bragg75]

Cowher and Grimm don't make sense b/c of the hiring of a West Coast OC. Who's out there that runs a WC offense and would be a good (secret) HC ?? And why the wait ???

How about Mike Shanahan as HC and Team President? He has strong ties to the WCO and there have been a lot of rumors of him wanting out of Denver over the past two years. Remember, Vinny was in SF when Mike was OC during the '94 Super Bowl season. That team had one of the best offenses the NFL had seen in years (the '83 Skins and '07 Patriots, aside).

I could also see Pete Carroll filling the same role. Now that National Signing Day is over, he could jump ship. Pete also spent time in SF as DC when Vinny was there.

I would be pleased with either hire. The longer the search drags on, the less likely Fassel is the choice.

[Rdskns2000]

Bill Cowher?

Pete Carroll?

Charlie Weis?

Dick Vermeil?

Dennis Green?

Jerry Glanville?

Jimmy Johnson?

Mack Brown?

Butch Davis?

Joe Bugel?

Richie Petitbone?

Me?


Don't Forget Jim Fassel.

Jim Mora Sr

Dan Reeves

Chuck Knoll- he's still alive right?

Steve Spurrier - yes one more round with Steve

Satan

God

Osama

[sens11]

Wishful thinking folks..wishful thinking at its best.

[Ji]

how about joseph bugel. At least he has had head coaching experience

[Skins2010]

I am sure they could lure Mike Tice or Dennis Green

[TLusby]

Dan Reeves??? Gibbs III???

[skinfan2k]

when we said patience, we said interview 3-4 candidates make a choice in 2-3 weeks, not 30 days after

[skinsince72]

I've wondered a couple of times if someone out of the blue would be named. You have to think if it was Fassell, we would have all known by now.

[Tarhog]

If we hire Jimmy Johnson, I may well give up my fan card. I can only take so much. I hate that fathead. Arrogant, just like every Dallas Coach that ever lived. Some ideas, you shouldn't even utter out loud.

[chaught76]

OK, I'll play.

I am going to suggest Jerry Gray.

[33]

If we hire Jimmy Johnson, I may well give up my fan card. I can only take so much. I hate that fathead. Arrogant, just like every Dallas Coach that ever lived. Some ideas, you shouldn't even utter out loud.

What's sad is that he's no better or worse to me than any other guy who's tires they've kicked. :(

Meeks
Fassel
Mora Jr.
Spags
Mooch
Schwartz

"Bring me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses..."

[SkinsFTW]

If we hire Jimmy Johnson, I may well give up my fan card. I can only take so much. I hate that fathead. Arrogant, just like every Dallas Coach that ever lived. Some ideas, you shouldn't even utter out loud.

What? You wouldn't love it if he takes us on a 4-5 win streak and then exclaim to the media:

"How Bout 'dem Redskins!"

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I think I'd puke too. :2cents:

[0mega]

Dexter Manley
Radar from MASH
Ditka
Hacksaw Jim Duggin
Ozzy
Anna Nichole Smiths baby
Joe Torre
Gandalf
Wang Chung
Fabio



.....just off the top of my head.

[SkinsFTW]

How about Mike Shanahan as HC and Team President?

What?

Shanahan hasn't won anything since about 5 years after Gibbs retired the first time, or before Snyder owned the Redskins.

Can you say THE MOST OVERRATED HC IN THE LEAGUE?

If you cant win with a HOF QB, RB, TE, most dominant OL in the league and a top 10 defense then you really suck. I don't give Shanahan much credit for Denver's 2 year run when you look at how he's done without some of those guys.

[0mega]

What?

Shanahan hasn't won anything since about 5 years after Gibbs retired the first time, or before Snyder owned the Redskins.

Can you say THE MOST OVERRATED HC IN THE LEAGUE?

If you cant win with a HOF QB, RB, TE, most dominant OL in the league and a top 10 defense then you really suck. I don't give Shanahan much credit for Denver's 2 year run when you look at how he's done without some of those guys.
Agreed. Shanahan is extremely overated.

[skinfan2k]

Why not hire SportsTalk980? This is the truth. He is buying them out and gonna own both Triple X and SportsTalk 980. That is near a deal. Maybe we see

HC- Doc Walker
OC- Brian Mitchell
Olinecoach- Jacoby
RB coach- Riggins
Dline coach- Golic

[0mega]

Could be Tom Cruise.

We know they've got their buisness deal, and just imagine the $ to be made making a movie/documentary on Tom stalking the sidelines - having "I-want-the-truth!!!" esque halftime speeches.

I'd buy a ticket to see it.

[CapitalDefense]

oooookkkkkkk

[sjnjr]

Art, here's a name that would fit your theory to a T:

Dick Vermeil.

There was a hint of talk about Vermeil coming here that leaked out very early in this process, but it didn't grow legs. Could Snyder see Vermeil as a Gibbs-style caretaker?

Hearing that the "big three" remaining candidates (Mooch, Fassel, Meeks) have not yet been contacted by the team after ending talks with Spags, the likelihood of an as-of-yet unreported candidate would seem to grow.

I'm just throwing Vermeil out there as a possibility, but whoever it might be...yes, I'm starting to believe there is someone else out there. Otherwise, I'd say Fassel would already have the job.

If that were true Al Saunders would still be a Redskin:2cents:

[Peregrine]

Agreed. Shanahan is extremely overated.

Maybe iv'e lowered my standards, but I hardly consider a guy who's only had 2 losing seasons in the past 13 in Denver(one being last year) overrated. I know as a Redskins fan, that would be great. 13 years, as many superbowls as losing seasons, and a great offense(10 seasons top 10 in points, top 11 in yards, top 5 in yardage differential).

I guess im just not as picky as I used to be.

[mikeDinNYC]

Could be Tom Cruise.

We know they've got their buisness deal, and just imagine the $ to be made making a movie/documentary on Tom stalking the sidelines - having "I-want-the-truth!!!" esque halftime speeches.

I'd buy a ticket to see it.


hahaha.... i can see it... the hot new sports themed reality show! the billionaire inside: 2008 washington redskins

[PorkSkins]

Where's Billick? Kinda sounds like Belichick doesn't it? He;s coached a SB win,why aren't we intervewing him? He was also 5-3 in the playoffs.

[sjnjr]

George Seifert

[herb mul-key]

Denny Green would be sickening and ridiculous...give me Ron Meeks or Mooch or Grimm...there is three great choices right there...great ones....

[SkinsFTW]

Maybe iv'e lowered my standards, but I hardly consider a guy who's only had 2 losing seasons in the past 13 in Denver(one being last year) overrated. I know as a Redskins fan, that would be great. 13 years, as many superbowls as losing seasons, and a great offense(10 seasons top 10 in points, top 11 in yards, top 5 in yardage differential).

I guess im just not as picky as I used to be.

1 playoff win in the past decade. They've had the same coach the whole time, make as many big signings as the Redskins yet still are average since Elway retired and Davis got hurt, way back in 1998.

[DMBAdict04]

I think snyder should make a reality TV show based on hiring our next head coach. THis way he can even make money off of the hiring process

Dude, I'd watch it... haha

[CM916]

Who was actually on the ES list back in 2004 when Gibbs suddenly appeared? I looked back through old threads once trying to find the day it happened just to see what a 100% overjoyed ES looks like but I didn't find much on other interviews besides Fassel nor was I really looking.

[steve57]

I had to pinch myself when I saw this thread. Art? Going speculative? But he's been watching Snyder for years, and with a pretty good set of analytical eyes, so I can see how this could point to Cowher --maybe, given Snyder's M.O. The Fassel fan blow-up probably took Snyder by surprise. I disagree w/ Art in that I think Snyer does care about what the fans think. He wants to be loved, he wants to be Fan No. 1. I've torched this guy since he's owned the team, but I do think he loves the team in his own highly controlling way. For him, Fassell would be a Marty pick, but w/o the difficult personality. Safe retread that he personally likes, etc. But he's at war with himself on this, which is why we've witnessed this ridiculous roadshow over the last few weeks. He loves the Big Splash. He wants the fans to go "Wow." Dan the Man. Cowher is the only one who fits that right now. Grimm might be another, if only to say something about "Redskin Tradition" and keeping it in the family.

[suze109]

Could be Tom Cruise.

We know they've got their buisness deal, and just imagine the $ to be made making a movie/documentary on Tom stalking the sidelines - having "I-want-the-truth!!!" esque halftime speeches.

I'd buy a ticket to see it.
:yikes: and :laugh:

Keep the Scientolojinx away from all Redskins games. I never wanna see him in the owners box again.

He's psycho AND bad luck.

[suze109]

Where's Billick? Kinda sounds like Belichick doesn't it? He;s coached a SB win,why aren't we intervewing him? He was also 5-3 in the playoffs.
:doh: :puke: :no:

[JerseyBach]

I am still putting my long shot money on Joel Collier

[ECU-ALUM]

Billick? His ego is 3 times the size of Snyder's...no WAY!

[KingGibbs]

Let's all take a page from the lessons according to Gibbs.

Asked at Gibbs press conference just what he had learned from Gibbs, Snyder thought then responded: patience.

What about this word:continuity?

Please don't give me the Grreg Blache BS either. You don't have "continiuity" when you lose both DC and OC's.

If he pulls Cowher out of the hat then I'll be impressed. Not because he's a "big name" but because he's a damn good football coach. He was handcuffed in Pittsburgh and he still succeeded.

But, as far as the guessing game goes? I'll play. Bill Parcells. Danny is letting Bill finish putting the team together down in Miami. Hence why he is being so "patient." :)

[Larry Brown #43]

Seriously, as much as I hate the idea of Fassel getting the job, Billick would be a thousand times worse. Let's just hire Fassel and get it over with. :doh: There are only so many rabbits left out there to be pulled from a hat.

I think Cowher's off the table, since he wouldn't get control of personnel or even the coaching staff. Same goes for Carroll.

There just aren't many viable options left, with GW, Spags, etc. off the table.

I'm not excited about Fassel, but I just don't see many other options. The more I think about it, the less enthusiastic I am about Mooch.

Let's just hire Fassel or Meeks and get to work. GW or even Spags would have been better, but we have to work with what's left.

I think if we hire Fassel, a small part of me will just be relieved that we didn't hire Billick.

[Blue Collar Skins]

What about this word:continuity?

Please don't give me the Grreg Blache BS either. You don't have "continiuity" when you lose both DC and OC's.

If he pulls Cowher out of the hat then I'll be impressed. Not because he's a "big name" but because he's a damn good football coach. He was handcuffed in Pittsburgh and he still succeeded.

But, as far as the guessing game goes? I'll play. Bill Parcells. Danny is letting Bill finish putting the team together down in Miami. Hence why he is being so "patient." :)Or Parcell's best bud Bobby Knight :laugh:

[Norv Turner]

With Petey Wheatstraw as OC and Queen Bee as DC



I've also heard that Rudy Ray Moore is a possibility.

[communion5]

i really hope the all the searching was worth the time spent, sprinkling fairy dust on the fan base trying to mystify them. meanwhile, philly, dallas, and new york all got a headstart to 2008. LETS GET A MOVE ON SYDNER.

[Jimbo]

Just bring on Fassell and end the madness. :(

[wgm5286]

Billick? His ego is 3 times the size of Snyder's...no WAY!

How about Lindsay Czarniak ? Probally could keep the team together LOL

(sorry this is just really getting old)


:dallasuck

[Stadium-Armory]

Introducing Mike Bellotti. Your new head football coach.

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[Destructis]

It's going to be Gene Simmons and they are going to rename the team "Kiss Army".

What? Stop looking at me like that.

I have been sitting here reading this thread and not one person named excites me as HC. I would have liked GW as HC, but that ship has sailed.

Right now, what I would like to see is a new HC who is young and hungry. Maybe about 45 years old. Someone who believes in discipline on his team. A good organizer and someone who commands respect through his work ethic and being prepared. I don't see it happening, but I would like Rob Chudzinski who is Clevelands O-Coord.

[Skins2010]

It's going to be Gene Simmons and they are going to rename the team "Kiss Army".

What? Stop looking at me like that.

I have been sitting here reading this thread and not one person named excites me as HC. I would have liked GW as HC, but that ship has sailed.

Right now, what I would like to see is a new HC who is young and hungry. Maybe about 45 years old. Someone who believes in discipline on his team. A good organizer and someone who commands respect through his work ethic and being prepared. I don't see it happening, but I would like Rob Chudzinski who is Clevelands O-Coord.

Gene would be awesome hire.

[SkinsNatsFan]

Gil Haskell, Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator of the Seahawks since 2000.
Now no chance to be Head Coach in Seattle. Worked with Blache, etc. on that amazing staff in GB, obviously worked with Zorn recently for quite a while.

http://www.seahawks.com/Team/Coaches.aspx?id=8340

[redskinsunshine]

Gil Haskell, Assistant Head Coach/Offensive Coordinator of the Seahawks since 2000.
Now no chance to be Head Coach in Seattle. Worked with Blache, etc. on that amazing staff in GB, obviously worked with Zorn recently for quite a while.

In another thread, I posted some links to articles that say that Haskell is interested in being a HC.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4874336#post4874336

[suze109]

In another thread, I posted some links to articles that say that Haskell is interested in being a HC.
http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?p=4874336#post4874336









But, he's 62? That's even older than Fizzle ...

[bulldog]

You have to feel sorry for Snyder. There is no mega-hire out there to be had this time around. Of the few big names that were not currently in the NFL, guys like Cowher and Carroll weren't going to be sucked into the Dan/Vinny running the front office style of management.

So, he is left looking for passed over former coaches who are looking for their possible last dance in the NFL.

[RWJ]

But, he's 62? That's even older than Fizzle ...


Plus in one of the articles posted on the R1 thread, it said he wasn't a "Yes" man. Don't know, I wouldn't mind him becoming a HC. Again, it would be better than Fassel and with Zorn here it might work.

[redskinsunshine]

But, he's 62? That's even older than Fizzle ...

How true! But who knows, maybe Snyder and Vinny are really sold on Zorn, and would think that Haskell would be a good fit for working with Zorn on the offense (since they have experience working together on the Seahawks' staff).


For me, the one glimmer of light in this whole coaching staff mess has been the hiring of Zorn.

[bulldog]

If Haskel is considered to be 'his own man' then he is no candidate for this job :laugh:

Gregg Williams proved that.

Dan Snyder doesn't want to hire any coach where there is the slightest chance of a divergence from toeing the company line on any issues. He wants a coach that is going to 'play ball' and take the bullet for mistakes made by Dan/Vinny on draft day and in FA and for the general disappointing play of the team vis a vis expectations.

Let's face it, there is no other owner in the NFL that would have fired Marty after going 8-3 in his last 11 games in 2001.

There is also no other owner that would have treated Gregg Williams the way Snyder did.

Snyder overruled Gibbs in deciding on his successor, meanwhile he had no knowledgeable advice from a GM or other football professional to make an alternative selection.

That's why you have seen the kinked up process you have over the past 3 weeks.

[suze109]

Ya never know ...

Dan might have been so impressed and/or devastated by how the Seahags beat us he might just try and get more than one of their guys.

:whoknows:

Nothing would be out of the realm of possibility for me at this point ... absolutely nothing.

[RWJ]

If Haskel is considered to be 'his own man' then he is no candidate for this job :laugh:

Gregg Williams proved that.

Dan Snyder doesn't want to hire any coach where there is the slightest chance of a divergence from toeing the company line on any issues. He wants a coach that is going to 'play ball' and take the bullet for mistakes made by Dan/Vinny on draft day and in FA and for the general disappointing play of the team vis a vis expectations.

Let's face it, there is no other owner in the NFL that would have fired Marty after going 8-3 in his last 11 games in 2001.

There is also no other owner that would have treated Gregg Williams the way Snyder did.

Snyder overruled Gibbs in deciding on his successor, meanwhile he had no knowledgeable advice from a GM or other football professional to make an alternative selection.

That's why you have seen the kinked up process you have over the past 3 weeks.


Shotz got fired after a 14-2 season with the Chargers.

[RWJ]

Ya never know ...

Dan might have been so impressed and/or devastated by how the Seahags beat us he might just try and get more than one of their guys.

:whoknows:

Nothing would be out of the realm of possibility for me at this point ... absolutely nothing.

True, but really our own mistakes cost us the game with the picks that Collins threw.

[Art]

Vinny Cerrato is a knowledgable football guy, Bulldog. You can dislike him, but suggesting he doesn't exist makes your position idiotic. You're better than that. Gibbs loved the work Cerrato did for him. Maybe Gibbs was an idiot too.

As for the process the last three weeks, it seems to me they were interviewing people and waiting for Spags. Exactly what should they have been doing? Hiring people prior to interviewing someone they wanted to talk to?

[33]

As for the process the last three weeks, it seems to me they were interviewing people and waiting for Spags. Exactly what should they have been doing? Hiring people prior to interviewing someone they wanted to talk to?

The question is, after 30 days where the average coaching search takes 10 or 11 days, do you believe that they currently have a clue? Or are you in the least bit impressed by the list of candidates that they do have?

EDIT: I have patience for a 30 day search. I don't have confidence in the collective group of names that have been trotted out before us. Nor do I currently doubt the premise of bulldog's theory. If Snyder is involved in personnel decision making, does Vinny's football mind matter if he isn't asked or overruled?

[suze109]

True, but really our own mistakes cost us the game with the picks that Collins threw.
Oh I know ... there were lots of reasons why we lost that game ... OL, Moss losing sight of the ball, missed FG, missed catch by Cooley near the goal line ...

But I'm juust trying to think like Danny ... and I could see him thinknig getting their guys might somehow tilt it in the Redskins favor. It just would fit his M.O. :)

[SkinsNatsFan]

If Haskel is considered to be 'his own man' then he is no candidate for this job :laugh:


I don't agree. He actually fits well. He's from the Walsh coaching tree. He's worked with Blache and obviously Zorn. Snyder want to win. The "yes man" theory is based on the coordinators already being hired. These coordinators look to be absolutely perfect for Haskell. As if maybe he picked them?

[RWJ]

Emailed JLC concerning Gil Haskell and he is going to check on it. FYI.

[Art]

The question is, after 30 days where the average coaching search takes 10 or 11 days, do you believe that they currently have a clue? Or are you in the least bit impressed by the list of candidates that they do have?

EDIT: I have patience for a 30 day search. I don't have confidence in the collective group of names that have been trotted out before us. Nor do I currently doubt the premise of bulldog's theory. If Snyder is involved in personnel decision making, does Vinny's football mind matter if he isn't asked or overruled?

Spags was still coaching until Sunday of last week right? If the team identified him as someone they wanted to talk to, would you prefer it have ignored him so as to keep with the average coaching search? No, you obviously don't believe that. That would be stupid.

Obviously there are three reasons for the length of time we have spent. One, we were waiting on a coach who coached in the Super Bowl which no one thought was going to happen. Two, no one else is looking for a coach, so we're not under pressure. Three, we have a competent, even high quality staff in place. We won't have to find guys in scramble mode.

Remember, given the timing of Gibbs' leaving, had we hired a coach and had him build a staff, we'd have had a bunch of guys who were linebackers coaches being DCs and the rest. Other teams weren't letting guys go to the same positions to us. We had a choice of retaining most of the highly qualified, skilled staff we had, or getting a bunch of newbies.

Do you really think we were dumb once Williams was not going to be hired to do this?

The Redskins can do very little about the candidates who do exist. They exist and are who we have to select from. The REdskins can't manufacture people who aren't available to give themselves more people to pick from. Only Cowher was a name ANY of us would have been universally thrilled by AFTER Williams was not the choice.

And from all reports he wanted another year off. Maybe we could have tried to persuade him harder. Maybe we did try. No idea.

Of the choices we did seem to have on the radar was two (I think) NFL Coaches of the Year, ONE Super Bowl coach, TWO Super Bowl winning coordinators.

I don't happen to think any of them are as dreamy as Joe Gibbs, but, can you articulate clearly how they fail to measure up in quality to you?

[RWJ]

I don't agree. He actually fits well. He's from the Walsh coaching tree. He's worked with Blache and obviously Zorn. Snyder want to win. The "yes man" theory is based on the coordinators already being hired. These coordinators look to be absolutely perfect for Haskell. As if maybe he picked them?

Don't think he did, but you never know. Haskell would be ok in my book. Yes, he's up there in years at 62, but who would you guys rather have Fassel or Haskell? Me, Haskell. He's got the experience and never had a chance to prove himself as a HC. If hired, his record would be 0-0. Give the man a shot.

[Art]

Emailed JLC concerning Gil Haskell and he is going to check on it. FYI.

Funny. You contact JLC to check on Haskell. He'll call his "league sources". Tell you what. I'll contact the team directly. How'd that be?

[McD5]

Funny. You contact JLC to check on Haskell. He'll call his "league sources". Tell you what. I'll contact the team directly. How'd that be?


The team won't say anything. Total waste of time.

At least with JLC, he may have a source somewhere outside of the team that could provide 10x more than anyone from the Skins would.

[SkinsNatsFan]

Funny. You contact JLC to check on Haskell. He'll call his "league sources". Tell you what. I'll contact the team directly. How'd that be?

:laugh:

[suze109]

Funny. You contact JLC to check on Haskell. He'll call his "league sources". Tell you what. I'll contact the team directly. How'd that be?
Maybe RWJ IS Jason's "league source"! :laugh:

(This is the offical message board after all) :D

[ECU-ALUM]

:munchout: With all of the rumor and hear-say and all that jazz...it might be time...to go make many many more brownies.

[Art]

The team won't say anything. Total waste of time.

At least with JLC, he may have a source somewhere outside of the team that could provide 10x more than anyone from the Skins would.

Except he doesn't :).

[bulldog]

You mean the same sources that leaked out to AP that Spagnuolo had agreed with the Redskins that he wasn't ready to be a head coach in the NFL? :rotflmao:

[RWJ]

Funny. You contact JLC to check on Haskell. He'll call his "league sources". Tell you what. I'll contact the team directly. How'd that be?

That will work Art.:) Just thought JLC would have more contacts than myself since I am just a fan.

[KnowItAll]

[QUOTE=AKM311]Art, I would love for you to be right. But, honestly, can you even name any people that COULD be a surprise while exciting the fan base.
[QUOTE]

You never know, nobody was expecting Gibbs 2.

[Art]

You mean the same sources that leaked out to AP that Spagnuolo had agreed with the Redskins that he wasn't ready to be a head coach in the NFL? :rotflmao:

Spags likely wasn't ready to be a head coach. One year as a coordinator typically doesn't make one a head coach candidate. His success worked in his favor though.

[McD5]

Except he doesn't :).

He probably doesn't. But the chances of getting anything from the Skins is zero.

So it can't possibly hurt to try.

You may even have a source outside of the organization that could provide a ton more than they ever would on a subject like this.

No JLC fan here......just saying.....can't hurt.

:cheers:

[Fletch_Lives59]

there would be no point in keeping the hiring a secret...and by leaving one name out of the group of guys being interviewed would be absolutely pointless..

The next Skins HC is Jerry Glanville, im callin it...lol

[RWJ]

Maybe RWJ IS Jason's "league source"! :laugh:

(This is the offical message board after all) :D

:) I wish I was able to cover the Redskins as a job rather than being a systems programmer. It'd be more fun and less demanding to me in what I do today.

[suze109]

:munchout: With all of the rumor and hear-say and all that jazz...it might be time...to go make many many more brownies.
It's lookin like you might wanna make a couple days worth, ECU!

[33]

Spags was still coaching until Sunday of last week right? If the team identified him as someone they wanted to talk to, would you prefer it have ignored him so as to keep with the average coaching search? No, you obviously don't believe that. That would be stupid.

I think that this was a terrific answer. I will say, that I do not believe they immediately identified him as a candidate.

I don't care that they fall into the average length of a coaching search, I care that I believe they know what they're doing. At the moment, I can't say I do.

In reality I know that it doesn't matter what I think, and that regardless I'll be cheering on the Skins always.

I think that I really believed that Snyder had learned a good deal from Gibbs, and I currently have zero faith in that. Not because of this process per se, it's just that my faith in the process is nil because of my belief that we are back to doing things in the Dan Snyder way as opposed to the more normal NFL way. This causes me distress, but I'll have to live with it.


I don't happen to think any of them are as dreamy as Joe Gibbs, but, can you articulate clearly how they fail to measure up in quality to you?

For starters, I'm not saying that they individually suck. I'm saying that it seems like an incomplete list for an organization that is touting patience and process for this particular search.

I believe that only one of the candidates that we have interviewed also interviewed for one of the other openings this year.

I believe there can't be a good reason to not at least interview Russ Grimm and make it publicly known, unless you have zero intention of hiring him without an interview. Which in my mind, isn't very thorough.

I mainly think that since we took so much time, we should have interviewed more people. If the FO and PR machine are going to be touting patience and process, can I really buy that Grimm, Singletary, McDaniels, and a host of other names weren't worth being interviewed at all? Grimm and Singletary have been touted as future HC's. If they aren't ready now, at least we'll have talked to them for when they are ready. What patience and process are they really talking about? Because if you have patience and process for non-logical reasons, or even personal agendas, does it really matter?

[RWJ]

He probably doesn't. But the chance of getting anything from the Skins is zero.

So it can't possibly hurt to try.

You may even have a source outside of the organization that could provide a tone more than they ever would on a subject like this.

No JLC fan here......just saying.....can't hurt.

:cheers:


That's exactly why I email him. I'm in no way a JLC fan as well, but he does work for the WP and his main beat is the Skins, so I figured it never hurts to try and give him something to work with being that we as fans have a need/want to know.

[ECU-ALUM]

It's lookin like you might wanna make a couple days worth, ECU!


That's what I'm thinkin' Suze...looks like I picked the wrong time to try and go on a diet...(I love "Airplane"!)

[McD5]

there would be no point in keeping the hiring a secret...and by leaving one name out of the group of guys being interviewed would be absolutely pointless..

The next Skins HC is Jerry Glanville, im callin it...lol


He would certainly fit into the circus montage we have going on here.

And Portis can even do the "2 Legit to Quit dance." I have seen it on someone's signature recently.

:laugh:

[Peregrine]

I can honestly say almost every candidate EXCEPT Fassil would be ok in my book.

Heres an interesting thought...If Fassil is indeed hired to be the head coach, isn't that an indication that the reason he got the job was just because no one else beat him out? After all, he was interviewed multiple times, and was the head candidate, but the Redskins were obviously not so convinced that they went ahead and hired him. So they interviewed other people(some of which they had ALREADY talked to and already had opinions of), until they ruled out everyone else but Fassil. If Fassil had really wowed them, at the very least older interviewers(such as GW and Meeks) shouldnt have been brought back in again.

On one hand you could say it was "being thorough", but on the other, isn't it a concern that it was such a difficult choice(and not because so many candidates were incredible)? If they were really so convinced of him being a great HC, wouldnt they try and lock him up before anyone else got caught on? I hope we arent settling.

[bulldog]

Fassel has the sex appeal of an armadillo :laugh:

I am sure Dan and Vinny when Spags went home hunkered down to think of some other options, but there don't really appear to be any.

I think they are stuck with Fassel or as a backup plan Meeks.

Poor Meeks. He oversees a top defense for the past several years and wins a Super Bowl but doesn't get any interviews early on like Spags.

[Art]

You'd be wrong to think Spags wasn't on the list almost immediately. He was. As was Meeks who we got to talk to because they lost early. I do not know what Snyder learned from Gibbs, but the more normal NFL way requires Gibbs to take a week off as the coach so the team can get ducks in a row without the pressure of having no coach. Maybe two weeks. Gibbs didn't do that.

Convention in the NFL isn't after two years of getting your players to believe in you that you throw it all away and bring in Al Saunders, as Gibbs did, which, in the end was his greatest failing, made MORE painful because we didn't get to see that offense hum until the last few games of this year making you believe had the players allowed themselves to run it earlier, we'd have been so very good.

But, I digress.

I do think Snyder learned valuable things from Gibbs.

If you punish the Redskins for the fact only one of the guys we talked to (and remember our guys were coaching in the playoffs) by other teams with openings, can I get you to tell me who talked to Gibbs and Singletary and if they were so good, why are the still where they were?

I think Grimm would be a good hire because even if he sucked, we'd forgive him and Dan, but, in no way is Grimm or Singletary more qualified than Meeks, Fassel, Spags, Mooch, or, frankly MOST other names in the football world. Would you prefer we have done what Atlanta did? Was that conventional?

[Art]

Fassel has the sex appeal of an armadillo :laugh:

I am sure Dan and Vinny when Spags went home hunkered down to think of some other options, but there don't really appear to be any.

I think they are stuck with Fassel or as a backup plan Meeks.

Poor Meeks. He oversees a top defense for the past several years and wins a Super Bowl but doesn't get any interviews early on like Spags.

That's because Dungy is the head coach and considered the architect of the defense, making Meeks less valued. Spags was the owner and caller of the Giants defense. Making him hotter.

[fansince62]

here's all I know/feel Art...if we hire Fassell....he better get guaranteed money cuz he will be fired within a year or two. the feeling is almost palpable-> up/down seasons; no SB; not, in the end, sexy enough for DS.

Fassell, if hired, will be a caretaker...someone with a pulse to keep the coaches seat warm until real help arrives.

[Art]

I don't disagree with that Al. In fact, I've thought often in this process we'd be wise to hire someone who just feels non-permanent unless he's great because the situation we were dropped in was not good and the market was thin.

[fansince62]

I don't disagree with that Al. In fact, I've thought often in this process we'd be wise to hire someone who just feels non-permanent unless he's great because the situation we were dropped in was not good and the market was thin.

one thought....the market does look thin and I agree JG must have been way more bent out of shape than some suspect given his abrupt actions. think about it....what can possibly explain the lurch he has left th team in after all the years of "rescuiing" the franchise? that said....and conceding I'm not a professional in the field...there has to be some stelalr coordinator sitting on one staff out of 32 who has the undergrond reputation as "the next guy". since, IMO, we are still many players away, why not hire this guy and absorb the 1-2 year rebuild rather than hire a known commodity whose career has inconsistent written all over it? an individual who is somewhat repsected but really does not have any one quality or glaring achievement that reaches out across the void and screams "WINNER"?

[Roborob132]

Something Tells Me Art Shell Is Moving In........ Hahahahahah

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I can't get into the Gibbs screwing over the Skins business because I am too shocked at the moment that you are bringing it into this conversation.

I can take you at your word that Spags was on the list from the get-go, but this is the first I've seen you say this (maybe I missed a previous post where you mentioned this). Can you say for sure that Snyder and Fassel were never talking $'s?


If you punish the Redskins for the fact only one of the guys we talked to (and remember our guys were coaching in the playoffs) by other teams with openings, can I get you to tell me who talked to Gibbs and Singletary and if they were so good, why are the still where they were?

I think Grimm would be a good hire because even if he sucked, we'd forgive him and Dan, but, in no way is Grimm or Singletary more qualified than Meeks, Fassel, Spags, Mooch, or, frankly MOST other names in the football world. Would you prefer we have done what Atlanta did? Was that conventional?

Grimm was supposedly worth not just an interview but serious consideration from the Bears and Steelers. He was interviewed and considered for a HC position before Meeks, Schwartz or Spags ever had a single interview.

Clearly, you don't feel like they are leaving any leafs unturned. I'm not trying to change your mind.

I've had a Snyder half-full glass for eight years, and all of a sudden I've realized it may be half-empty.

[HigSkin]

Below is a recap of what we think we know. Bram's side interview during the HOF revealed a slip by Snyder saying it takes time to interview 8 or 9 candidates. I can only account of 7. Hummmm.

Art - it seems to me you are correct in your assumption. I tend to think the not-named interview happened either in the earlier stages of this process or around the SB.

Jan. 8 Joe Gibbs resigns as coach of the Redskins. Owner Daniel Snyder says he will take his time in finding a replacement.

Jan. 9 Gregg Williams meets with Snyder and some of the team's minority owners.

Jan. 10 Redskins interview Titans defensive coordinator Jim Schwartz. Sources close to former Steelers coach Bill Cowher reiterate that he intends to take 2008 off.

Jan. 11 Jim Fassel interviews for the first time.

Jan. 12-15 Williams meets three more times with Snyder and Executive Vice President Vinny Cerrato to discuss the head coaching position.

Jan. 16 Redskins interview Seahawks assistant Jim Mora.

Jan. 17 Redskins interview Colts assistant Ron Meeks.

Jan. 18 Mora withdraws from consideration.

Jan. 21 Fassel interviews again.

Jan. 23 Seahawks quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn interviews for offensive coordinator job. Redskins were earlier rebuffed in attempts to interview Chargers assistant John Ramsdell.

Jan. 24 Patriots assistant Josh McDaniels and Giants assistant Steve Spagnuolo emerge as candidates for the head coaching job.

Jan. 25 Redskins hire Zorn as their offensive coordinator.

Jan. 26 Williams released from his contract. The Redskins name Greg Blache, an assistant under Williams, defensive coordinator.

Jan. 28 Josh McDaniels declines any further interviews

Jan. 29 Meeks has his second interview

Jan. 30 or 31 Steve Mariucci gets his first interview

Feb. 5-7 Steve Spagnuolo gets his first interview, ends up pulling out of consideration.

[DieHardSkinz]

As long a the damn process is taking...there has to be more to it than meets the eye? Its awful quite at Redskin park. Ya never know!

[Art]

Hayes,

And who hired Grimm?

No one? What's that mean? Anything or nothing?

I'm not bad mouthing Grimm as I think he'd be great given the history. I just don't buy the position HE and Singletary are better candidates than those we've talked to because they were free earlier and could be talked to faster.

As for Spags, it's literally been in the paper for WEEKS that we were likely to want to talk to him. While the paper doesn't get everything right, when a representative for someone tells the media their client is going to be talked to or has been, it's probably true. The only reason we know about Fassel or Spags or Meeks is becaues their people confirmed it. The team hasn't.

Here's what I know. Snyder fired Norv and no one would work for him.

In came Marty, a guy who said he could NEVER work for him.

Marty was fired and certainly no one of any value would work for Snyder. In came Spurrier, the most coveted name in the NFL and the man most consider the DREAM GM (Wolf) would have hired in an instant without an interviw.

Spurrier leaves and there's no one to hire.

Joe Gibbs.

Your glass may be half-empty, but history shows Snyder's actual performance in this area is typically half-full. What happens this time may be the first knock against it. I just think until it's finished you'd be wrong to make conclusions.

[SkinsNatsFan]

Below is a recap of what we think we know. Bram's side interview during the HOF revealed a slip by Snyder saying it takes time to interview 8 or 9 candidates. I can only account of 7. Hummmm.


Nice time line.

One other point about the interview with Weinstein. Dan Snyder also said that they had not taken a day off since they started the search.

There are quite a few days unaccounted for, which could easily have included the full interview process that the others went through.

[dizzinator53]

The simple answer is Cowher. :).


Not only do I agree with the original post, I think this might be who it is.... but that John Madden thing got me thinking.... Unfortunately he has lost his mind.

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Art,

I'm not saying Grimm is better, I'm more disappointed (extremely so) that we didn't look into more options. I feel like having all the time we did, would have allowed for more interviewing time. It seems to me they made a list and didn't stray. I could be wrong, of course. Regardless, they clearly interviewed the guys that interested them with the exception of Caldwell who likely withdrew immediately.

I think he'll be able to hire someone and I'm sure he could hire a good candidate. I'm not knocking his past moves. I'm more concerned about the control idea.

Many people says he doesn't want control, but at the same time it's a known fact that we had a three headed decision committee in Vinny, Gibbs, and Snyder. And they want to keep it that way. We know that this committee worked together on personnel. The only good thing that I can see coming from Snyder being involved in personnel decisions, is that he will continue to learn and in twenty years we will be better off than we are now. I can't imagine that it's normal that the top of the personnel chain would have someone who is only in their eighth year of the NFL, regardless of having no prior experience in football.

It's been said already better than I can say it, if he wants to win so badly, then why doesn't he hire a GM like the teams that have been winning SB's? I believe he does want to win AND he wants to be a part of decisions. I hope he gets to have his cake and eat it too. I really do.

DISCLAIMER: I'm trying to consider Vinny as that man, but so long as Snyder is in the room for the decisions, he overshadows the other two heads.

[Sekhmet728]

Maybe it's the ghost of Vince Lombardi...

[HigSkin]

Nice time line.

One other point about the interview with Weinstein. Dan Snyder also said that they had not taken a day off since they started the search.

There are quite a few days unaccounted for, which could easily have included the full interview process that the others went through.

Thank SNF, you're right who the heck knows what they were doing in those gaps.

[SkinsNatsFan]

Is it possible to interview a coach currently on another staff without public/media knowledge? If the Redskins ask permission to interview someone, is that made public knowledge or does someone have to ask the team he works for for confirmation? For example, could the Redskins have asked for permission to interview Haskell and the only reason it wasn't known is that no one asked the Seahawks that specific question?

Basically, if there is someone else, could it be someone currently employed by an NFL team or does it have to be someone who's not?

[sydshobob]

Everyone wants to assume it has to be someone that's been mentioned as a "hot" candidate - an offensive or defensive coordinator that the whole world expects to be a head coach (i.e., Meeks, Spags, McD, etc.). The truth is, for example, it could be the offensive coordinator for, I don't know, the Browns. Or the D-Coordinator for the Chiefs, or anyone from anywhere. Just because the press isn't talking about them doesn't mean real football people don't know who they are. Had anybody ever heard of Joe Gibbs when he was originally hired? Not many.

[HateYanksDukeCowboys]

I was reading the AP story by Joe White and it proposes something I think none of us have considered.

Our next head coach is someone no one has identified as a legitimate possibility. For the inept bumbling many suggest defines this coaching search, the team has been totally silent about candidates. The candidates who have been identified have been identified by the candidates themselves or through their representatives.

When Fassel was identified as "the mystery candidate" perhaps he was merely A mystery candidate. As White said, we did talk to Carroll and it was quite a while after that the story broke that we did. The process seems so involved and cumbersome as to be confusing to all of us, but, what if the time being taken is a reflection of the fact one thing Gibbs did instill into Snyder is patience and fighting off whimsical instinct.

That's what got us Spurrier, who was wanted by all, but interviewed poorly and given the job without due diligence. Our next head coach is unlikely to get the job without at least having been thoroughly able to convince people he's the right man for the job.

Maybe I'm overthinking this and it's Fassel all the way. But, if so, why not hire him weeks ago? I can come up with two reasons. First, the fans hated him and took Snyder back. Somehow I doubt this. I have no doubt he knows the reaction, but I can't believe he really cares. The other thought is when Gibbs left so suddenly and without warning and without taking vacation for two weeks and then announcing, causing the team to scramble, the team did scramble and made up a list of people to talk to.

And they WERE going to do that. They were going to get to every name on that list. Spags just kept coaching too long :).

I imagine the new coach will be announced very quickly.

Will it surprise you if we either haven't heard the name at all, OR, that we have, but never thought he was actually involved with us? None of us saw Gibbs coming. No one out there is as big a name as Gibbs, obviously, so a mystery candidate, if one exists, exists to excite us possibly less than we'd like, and possibly more than we'd imagine.

Something knaws at me that Snyder has never whiffed quite so badly as Fassel would represent, in terms of generating excitement among the fan base with something the team does. Maybe I just want it to be so enough that I can't think clearly, but, a part of me thinks Snyder has another rabbit and his name is not one you'd have thought.

The name can be as crazy as John Madden or as pedestrian as Dennis Green. As hairbrained as Les Miles or as practical as Russ Grimm. I'm just saying I think there's more to this than meets the eye. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. :)

Art, I made the following post in the Adam Schefter thread yesterday, it pretty much aligns with your theory:

My theory on GW was that the more time went by, the smaller his chances became of becoming the H.C................I have the same hunch when it comes to Fassel.

If Fassel were essentially "all set to go", with a staff already in place, then why hasn't he been named the H.C. yet, presuming all KNOWN candidates have completed the interviewing process.

My hunch is that we're in for a curveball here.

[erock353]

The only problem I have with that is what in the world are we waiting for then how long do we need sit on top of this but i totally agree with you they could pull a name out it. I can't believe snyder waited this long to name Fassel and the mediots have all been predicting that so he doesn't want to vidicate them. If they pull a name out of the hat though I think its Josh McDaniels we waited to interview Spagnuolo maybe we interviewed McDaniels to.





I would be all about having Josh McDaniels. Keep in mind that we kept the "continuity" at defense like everyone has now approved of in Blache. We all know the offense needed a fresh start, and who better than McDaniels, whose Patriots offense broke records, and shredded the 'Skins this past year. And his is young, I like the approach of a more youthful coaching staff. In my opionion, this would be the best thing for me to hear in this whole situation. But, whoever it may be, lets get to business and take this talent to the Super Bowl!!!


On another note, Snyder did get blindsided on the Gibbs leaving early. No need to jump on something without really thinking it out. But, i'm optimistic, and it usually bites me.



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