I'm just telling you what I heard

[Skins PR]

From a reliable source.


Cowher was never interested in coming to the Redskins and "never" (we'll see what he says if Danny flashes $10 million a year in front of him) will be. Cowher calls Snyder "Coach Dan" because of his meddling.
Grimm has not been interviewed but some people are trying to push for it. Their reasoning is that Danny wants a puppet coach and apparently Grimm has not garnered enough respect in the league to get a head coaching job (that last part is an opinion and a surprise to me but again, I'm just telling you what I heard). Also, at this point people can jump all over the front office for pretty much any hire but bringing in Grimm would at least get long time Skins fans to buy in.

[andyburd]

Alas, the inside scoop

[Bryan81]

Well of the 3 known caidates iwould hire Marriuci. But would push for Grimm as well. in my opinion he is the best canidate out there.

[hail2skins]

I'd have more respect for the FO if they hired Fassel than if they went out and, now a MONTH since Gibbs retired, interviewed and hired Grimm just to placate the fans.

[apickmans]

I'd have more respect for the FO if they hired Fassel than if they went out and, now a MONTH since Gibbs retired, interviewed and hired Grimm just to placate the fans.


i agree

[Joe Sick]

Is this official, like direct from the PR Department?

:)

[SlinginSammy HOF '63]

i agree
I second the agreement. If he starts catering to the fans we'll never win more than 3 games a year.

[1972FAN]

Sorry, can't play into this: from a reliable source :)

[Redskins Anonymous]

I've heard from a reliable source that Vinny has naked pictures of Snyder with Bin Laden in Dubai.

[33]

If you buy into what the OP is selling, what coach would matter if Snyder is in charge of decisions?

[Ji]

we might hire bobby petrino

[Park City Skins]

The first one is something,(for the most part),that JLC has reported in his blog more than once if memory serves. The second part was reported as well. Though not about the respect and puppet parts. However I wonder if that last part is merely opinion from a reliable source.

[jbooma]

I would have to say that Fossil would be a better hire then Grimm. Even though more people are not excited about Fossil at least he has the experience.

This whole search has been a disaster and honestly Dan should not be worried about trying to please fans, he needs to do what he and Vinny feel is the best.

If this doesn't work then maybe the next time we bring in a real GM and let them decide everything.

Enough is enought just name someone. I would be happy with anyone right now, just want a coach.

[Ji]

the fact that fassell has been abused by snyder and still wants the job is very telling lol

[zskins]

I've heard from a reliable source that Vinny has naked pictures of Snyder with Bin Laden in Dubai.

Two months before September 11 Osama bin Laden flew to Dubai for 10 days for treatment at the American hospital, where he was visited by the local CIA agents - so now you are saying that Snyder works for the CIA???:doh:

Edit: If you are going to make up stuff at least do your research.

[Larry Gude]

This whole search has been a disaster and honestly Dan should not be worried about trying to please fans, he needs to do what he and Vinny feel is the best.



Every time I think this just can't get any worse...

:laugh:


:cheers:

[voicekiller]

I would have to say that Fossil would be a better hire then Grimm. Even though more people are not excited about Fossil at least he has the experience.

This whole search has been a disaster and honestly Dan should not be worried about trying to please fans, he needs to do what he and Vinny feel is the best.

If this doesn't work then maybe the next time we bring in a real GM and let them decide everything.

Enough is enought just name someone. I would be happy with anyone right now, just want a coach.
I just feel Fassel isn't a good leader of men...a guy you want to go to battle for...he just doesn't give off that vibe...we have a really good staff assembled, I would really like to see Meeks or Mooch get the job...they are both very good leaders

[33]

A lot of the rumors we have heard recently involve Snyder wanting to be very much a part of football operations, or a "puppet-master" per se.

I'm curious how much everyone cares about the coach we choose if this is the case?

Or even if people believe it?

[voicekiller]

A lot of the rumors we have heard recently involve Snyder wanting to be very much a part of football operations, or a "puppet-master" per se.

I'm curious how much everyone cares about the coach we choose if this is the case?

Or even if people believe it?
i don't buy the whole puppet master theory...from what i have heard, yes he wants to be involved and yes he wants to have a say...there are two things i know...he liked the way they did things with Joe...where they all got together and made a decision as a group, when it came to personnel...this is what he wants to continue with...he also wants to have a good relationship with whoever is coach...he wants to be able to call them and talk about things whenever he wants...now that doesn't seem meddlesome per se, but it may get annoying for some coaches...an owner who always wants to know whats going on and to put his 2 cents in...

[33]

i don't buy the whole puppet master theory...from what i have heard, yes he wants to be involved and yes he wants to have a say...there are two things i know...he liked the way they did things with Joe...where they all got together and made a decision as a group, when it came to personnel...this is what he wants to continue with...he also wants to have a good relationship with whoever is coach...he wants to be able to call them and talk about things whenever he wants...now that doesn't seem meddlesome per se, but it may get annoying for some coaches...an owner who always wants to know whats going on and to put his 2 cents in...

Don't take this the wrong way Voicekiller, because you're only the messenger. Also, others can feel free to chime in. But while what you say can seem okay on the grounds that Snyder owns the team, would any of us feel it's okay to have someone with only 8 years experience in the league be involved in personnel decisions?

Is it really okay? Besides Jerry Jones who actually played major college football, can anyone think of another owner who dabbles in personnel?

[tex]

right now grimm sounds awesome. kicks the crap out of fossil or however you spell his name.

[Troy Fakeman]

Grimm > All...

"Help me Obi Won Grimmnobi...you're my only hope"

[MikeB]

I'd have more respect for the FO if they hired Fassel than if they went out and, now a MONTH since Gibbs retired, interviewed and hired Grimm just to placate the fans.

Bingo.

And while I like the idea of Grimm, if he isn't condsidered HC material by other teams, he may in fact not be.

It's the same argument against Fassel, but at least we KNOW he is able to coach a team into the playoffs, and to the big dance.

[Tarhog]

We're ****ed.

That is all.

[jbooma]

We're ****ed.

That is all.


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

but you are 100%% right

:( :( :( :( :( :( :(


If Synder wants to be involved and have a puppet then it is clear he learned NOTHING from Gibbs. Lets all be honest though there is no telling what is in store with the future of this team. We can pray for the best though.

[jbooma]

the fact that fassell has been abused by snyder and still wants the job is very telling lol

No it isn't:


$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

[Rafterman]

After 16 years as a coach in the league Russ Grimm has never been offered a HC position.

If he were HC material an owner would have given him a shot by now.

[33]

If it's true that a puppet is what the FO is looking for, does anyone else agree that Mora Jr. and Spags seemed the least likely? Which would lend some credence to their pulling out of the running.

How awesome that we may have waited 30 days to hear Fassel's sweet name be announced.

[skinnyfan57]

From a reliable source.

Cowher was never interested in coming to the Redskins and "never" (we'll see what he says if Danny flashes $10 million a year in front of him) will be. Cowher calls Snyder "Coach Dan" because of his meddling.
Grimm has not been interviewed but some people are trying to push for it. Their reasoning is that Danny wants a puppet coach and apparently Grimm has not garnered enough respect in the league to get a head coaching job (that last part is an opinion and a surprise to me but again, I'm just telling you what I heard). Also, at this point people can jump all over the front office for pretty much any hire but bringing in Grimm would at least get long time Skins fans to buy in.




I have a very reliable source that tells me you don't know jack.......

[BigMike619]

I have heard that the reason we are going to hire Fossil is because he already gave Dan a list of all the Coordinators he would want to work with and since that has happened we're gonna hire him. But it was supposed to happen today and so far nothing...

[ECU-ALUM]

Snyderatto has really screwed this whole thing up...we bascially have gone in a circle concerning this whole charade...I mean coaching search.

Okay Fassel you got a serious uphill climb with a lot of us...go out there and prove that you were worth all of this...winning is a great healing balm.

[kingfish50]

After 16 years as a coach in the league Russ Grimm has never been offered a HC position.

If he were HC material an owner would have given him a shot by now.


Yes Russ Grimm was a front runner for the HC in Chicago a few years back and was bumped by Lovi Smith (Rooney Rule). He was also in consideration for the Pittsburgh HC position but because Mr. Rooney pushed the "Rooney Rule" on the NFL, he was again a victim of the "Rooney Rule".
I'd love to see Russ Grimm here but not under these circumstances. He'd be nothing but a stop gap hire to quiet the masses and besides I just don't see him being a "yes man" to Little Danny.

[ECU-ALUM]

Grimm would scare the crap out of snyder...ain't happening in this lifetime.

[Larry Brown #43]

Grimm would scare the crap out of snyder...ain't happening in this lifetime.
You know, this is probably more true than you even realize. Snyder knows the first time he yells at Grimm, ol' Russ would snap his neck like a matchstick.

[bricucci]

Ken Beatrice is that you? Is this what your SORRCES are telling you.

[herb mul-key]

I just feel Fassel isn't a good leader of men...a guy you want to go to battle for...he just doesn't give off that vibe...we have a really good staff assembled, I would really like to see Meeks or Mooch get the job...they are both very good leaders


I feel the same for sure Meeks or Mooch...and I think Grimm would work...but your right Danny is probabley scared of him.

[Rafterman]

Yes Russ Grimm was a front runner for the HC in Chicago a few years back and was bumped by Lovi Smith (Rooney Rule). He was also in consideration for the Pittsburgh HC position but because Mr. Rooney pushed the "Rooney Rule" on the NFL, he was again a victim of the "Rooney Rule".
I'd love to see Russ Grimm here but not under these circumstances. He'd be nothing but a stop gap hire to quiet the masses and besides I just don't see him being a "yes man" to Little Danny.

The Rooney rule simply requires that a black candidate be interviewed.
True, a black HC was eventually hired by the Bears and Steelers but both teams could have hired Grimm if they really wanted him.

Grimm has simply failed, for whatever reason(s), in the final interviews.

My own personal theory about this fiasco is that Snyder was counting of Gibbs finishing the final year of his contract, then retiring.

At that point old Danny was going to throw the whole checkbook at Cowher.
Gibbs, I truly believe, went into his season ending interview looking for an extension which translates into a HUGE payday. Dan wasn't going for it. He wanted Cowher when Cowher said he would be available.

[chrisxcore]

Gibbs, I truly believe, went into his season ending interview looking for an extension which translates into a HUGE payday. Dan wasn't going for it. He wanted Cowher when Cowher said he would be available.

I gotta disagree here man, I think there was an extension in the works. I don't know what kinda money was involved but I'm pretty sure Dan would've paid whatever it would've taken to keep Joe here. :2cents:

[Rafterman]

I gotta disagree here man, I think there was an extension in the works. I don't know what kinda money was involved but I'm pretty sure Dan would've paid whatever it would've taken to keep Joe here. :2cents:

Could be.

But remember, Cowher is only 50 with a great record and Gibbs is pushing 70 with a mediocre record the second time around.

[suze109]

We're ****ed.

That is all.
:laugh: I'm with Tarhog.

[suze109]

How awesome that we may have waited 30 days to hear Fassel's sweet name be announced.
I feel sick. :doh:

[suze109]

You know, this is probably more true than you even realize. Snyder knows the first time he yells at Grimm, ol' Russ would snap his neck like a matchstick.
I'd pay BIG money for sideline seats to see that! :D

[suze109]

he wants to be able to call them and talk about things whenever he wants...now that doesn't seem meddlesome per se, but it may get annoying for some coaches...an owner who always wants to know whats going on and to put his 2 cents in...
Calling and talking about things whenever he wants?

That's sure meddling IMO

Dan, stay in the box, run all your other ventures, count your money, select another "official Washington Redskins" vendor like Popeyes or Papa Johns and let the coaches, who actually know football, run the Redskins.

And do NOT, under any circumstances, come on the field like Jerrah Jones. :doh:

[ECU-ALUM]

You know, this is probably more true than you even realize. Snyder knows the first time he yells at Grimm, ol' Russ would snap his neck like a matchstick.

Just the image of Dan trying to yell at Grimm...and Russ looking at him just before he goes after him...priceless.

[KDawg]

If Grimm isn't getting jobs because of final interviews, it could just mean he interviews awful. It doesn't necessarily reflect on his coaching talent.

[suze109]

Fassel > Grimm. Russ ... although I love you ... you are tainted by the Gibbs stigma of losing and making bad judgment calls like picking and staying with washout like Brunell. The Skins need fresh blood and guts.
:blahblah:
You're like a broken record.

Give it up. :slap:

[SkinsFanMania]

oh no, not another rumor

[RTL28]

Please, not Fassel

[Ernie5]

This is obviously false.

(1) Cowher is smarter than that. He knows Schottenheimer and Gibbs and understands that, whatever Snyder's shortcomings, he doesn't meddle anymore than Pat Bowlen, Jerry Jones, Bob Kraft, Jeff Lurie, the McCaskeys, the Spanos Family, Al Davis (!) . . . Most coaches and front office people have to answer to an owner in some respect; Snyder's just higher profile than many.
Jack Kent Cooke has obviously been Snyder's model for many years and Cooke was involved on a daily basis.

(2) Snyder has worked with coaches weak and strong. His least favorite coaches, in fact, were probably the weak ones -- Norv and Spurrier. I think he wants someone who will come in here, be organized, creative, decisive, and open-minded. I also think he's looking for someone w/a killer instinct.

[ntotoro]

Fassel > Grimm. Russ ... although I love you ... you are tainted by the Gibbs stigma of losing and making bad judgment calls like picking and staying with washout like Brunell. The Skins need fresh blood and guts.

How do "fresh" and "Fassell" equate with each other?

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Yes Russ Grimm was a front runner for the HC in Chicago a few years back and was bumped by Lovi Smith (Rooney Rule). He was also in consideration for the Pittsburgh HC position but because Mr. Rooney pushed the "Rooney Rule" on the NFL, he was again a victim of the "Rooney Rule".
I'd love to see Russ Grimm here but not under these circumstances. He'd be nothing but a stop gap hire to quiet the masses and besides I just don't see him being a "yes man" to Little Danny.

Your assertion that Grimm wasn't hired as a HC because of the Rooney rule is absurd. He's a victim of being less qualified or less impressive when interviewing. Or, something behind the scenes that none of us knows about. And I have been, and continue to be, an advocate for Russ Grimm. Would love to have him as our head coach from a fan's perspective, but I'm not the owner of a franchise and I've never been a fly on the wall during his interviews.

[Redskins Anonymous]

Yes Russ Grimm was a front runner for the HC in Chicago a few years back and was bumped by Lovi Smith (Rooney Rule). He was also in consideration for the Pittsburgh HC position but because Mr. Rooney pushed the "Rooney Rule" on the NFL, he was again a victim of the "Rooney Rule".
I'd love to see Russ Grimm here but not under these circumstances. He'd be nothing but a stop gap hire to quiet the masses and besides I just don't see him being a "yes man" to Little Danny.


let me guess, you're one of those guys whose only argument against Obama being president is you're not ready for a black president...

ya, Lovie Smith only got his job bc he was black. It had nothing to do with his work with a TERRIBLE rams defense that he turned around. Or nothing to do with him being part of the Dungy tree. Were you mad when the skins signed Bobby Mitchell, too? what a load of bs.

PS - it's L-O-V-I-E. While you're working on your phonics, go read a history book.

[redskin_fan]

Fassel > Grimm. Russ ... although I love you ... you are tainted by the Gibbs stigma of losing and making bad judgment calls like picking and staying with washout like Brunell. The Skins need fresh blood and guts.


Jim Fassel is that you?

[Ernie5]

We don't know why Russ Grimm seems not be under consideration. He's too ornery. He's a bad interview. He's not ready. Why speculate?

[Stew]

Bobby Bowden here we come! j/k, and a bad one at that, but it isnt out of the realm of possibility.

[KnowItAll]

Well of the 3 known caidates iwould hire Marriuci. But would push for Grimm as well. in my opinion he is the best canidate out there.

We already missed out on the best canidate...Gregg Williams

[Skins2010]

I just heard that Coy Gibbs is going to be the next coach.
Just telling you what I heard.
nevermind it was my son that said it. I heard it so you are getting it here first folks.

[rshepard]

Jack Kent Cooke has obviously been Snyder's model for many years

Wow, you really believe that? Being able to subscribe to alternative realities like that will help immensely over the next few decades of Redskins football.

[skinfan4ever]

The only thing I care about hearing is that the Skins have chosen a coach and his name is not Jim Fassel.

[DeeZee]

I still wondering how u had 2 good guys ready to be a head coach (Al Saunders and Greg Williams) and you lose both of them. Now your scrambling for lesser candidates. :doh::dunce:

[flexxskins]

Well of the 3 known caidates iwould hire Marriuci. But would push for Grimm as well. in my opinion he is the best canidate out there.Why? What makes him the best canidate in your opinion?


I'd have more respect for the FO if they hired Fassel than if they went out and, now a MONTH since Gibbs retired, interviewed and hired Grimm just to placate the fans.Exactly. Here's to us hiring an experienced head coach and not taking a chance or conducting anymore experiments. :cheers:

[Ernie5]

Yeah -- Cooke's tenure was not tremendously different from Snyder's. Arguably, yr right: the comparison isn't 100% accurate.
Cooke was sometimes more hands-on than Snyder. The other difference -- and its a big one -- is that we won 3 Super Bowls while Cooke owned the team. We did so b/c we had a great coach, good GMs and an owner who got his people what they wanted. When the coach and GM disagreed (which was often), Cooke decided. Cooke often sided w/Gibbs and eventually ran Beathard out of town in order to bring in the much more compliant Casserly.

[skinfan4ever]

Why? What makes him the best canidate in your opinion?

Exactly. Here's to us hiring an experienced head coach and not taking a chance or conducting anymore experiments. :cheers:

I'm all for a experienced head coach, but not one who has a track record of losing the confidence and respect of his players during his tenure in NY.

[flexxskins]

I'm all for a experienced head coach, but not one who has a track record of losing the confidence and respect of his players during his tenure in NY.I understand people being a little leary about us maybe hiring Fassell. But is it really fair to say that he has a track record of losing his team and judge his coaching abilities based on one season where his team was decimated with injuries?

[RWJ]

From a reliable source.


Cowher was never interested in coming to the Redskins and "never" (we'll see what he says if Danny flashes $10 million a year in front of him) will be. Cowher calls Snyder "Coach Dan" because of his meddling.
Grimm has not been interviewed but some people are trying to push for it. Their reasoning is that Danny wants a puppet coach and apparently Grimm has not garnered enough respect in the league to get a head coaching job (that last part is an opinion and a surprise to me but again, I'm just telling you what I heard). Also, at this point people can jump all over the front office for pretty much any hire but bringing in Grimm would at least get long time Skins fans to buy in.



So maybe it's one of the two scenerios you posted in your 1st post. Maybe, Danny has flashed 10 million a year in front of Cowher's face and he agreed. Maybe, Grimm has been interviewed and he is saving face with his hire.

Question Skins PR. I have heard throught the grapevine that Cowher bought a big chunk of land in Leesburg, VA. Since you live there I wanted to ask if this is true.

[ceviker]

I would have to say that Fossil would be a better hire then Grimm. Even though more people are not excited about Fossil at least he has the experience.

This whole search has been a disaster and honestly Dan should not be worried about trying to please fans, he needs to do what he and Vinny feel is the best.

If this doesn't work then maybe the next time we bring in a real GM and let them decide everything.

Enough is enought just name someone. I would be happy with anyone right now, just want a coach.

Amen brotha

[Thirtyfive2seven]

ok so no one else would take the ****ing job so they give it to this ****ing guy who will be fired next year and replaced with Cowher?