JLC & Jason Reid: Fassel Is Considered To Be Front-Runner

[Moorecards]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/08/AR2008020804088.html

[sens11]

Seems eminent. Jim Fassel it is.

[suze109]

Well, the bright spot of the article for me was the part where he said Mariucci and Meeks are still alive as candidates.

I'm clinging to those straws and you can't pry my fingers off them until it's official! :)

[Canadian Hog]

I'd like to take a survey to find out how many 'Skins fans warmed up to Fassel and tried rationalizing why he would make a good hire after the initial reports of him becoming coach a few weeks back.

[HigSkin]

I'd like to take a survey to find out how many 'Skins fans warmed up to Fassel and tried rationalizing why he would make a good hire after the initial reports of him becoming coach a few weeks back.

I would put it...wore down! :laugh:

I am ready to move on now and support the team. Enough of the circus, just name the coach!

[Jumbo]

Williams was fired and yet here he is one of three who "walked away." And for the other two, it could be written "they chose excellent offers that kept them with their current teams" but then that doesn't have quite the backhand smack to it. The former is a strange cognitive slip for two reporters and a poor job by the proofreader and the latter is small potatoes, but worth noting. I wonder if they realize that if they have no news, rather than keep recycling old material they could write about something else.

[HogNose]

I'd like to take a survey to find out how many 'Skins fans warmed up to Fassel and tried rationalizing why he would make a good hire after the initial reports of him becoming coach a few weeks back.


I won't burn him at the stake until it's time. :silly: There is no choice, we have to back him if he is our coach. Fassel would be 0-0 with the Redskins and if he gets the job then we need to support the guy. There is no reason to go into this like it's the evil step-mother taking over.

[suze109]

I'd like to take a survey to find out how many 'Skins fans warmed up to Fassel and tried rationalizing why he would make a good hire after the initial reports of him becoming coach a few weeks back.
I agree ... would sure be interesting.

I am still on the I Don't Want Fizzle train ... and never hopped off.

Having said that, if he ends up being the HC ( :cry: ) I will support him, cuz I'm a lifelong fan and love my Redskins.

But oh man, I really don't want him to be the guy. And that's not just "cuz" ... I've stated why many, many times over the last few weeks.

[ECU-ALUM]

I agree ... would sure be interesting.

I am still on the I Don't Want Fizzle train ... and never hopped off.

Having said that, if he ends up being the HC ( :cry: ) I will support him, cuz I'm a lifelong fan and love my Redskins.

But oh man, I really don't want him to be the guy. And that's not just "cuz" ... I've stated why many, many times over the last few weeks.

I'm with you on this one Suze.

[bedlamVR]

Williams was fired and yet here he is one of three who "walked away." And for the other two, it could be written "they chose excellent offers that kept them with their current teams" but then that doesn't have quite the backhand smack to it. The former is a strange cognitive slip for two reporters and a poor job by the proofreader and the latter is small potatoes, but worth noting. I wonder if they realize that if they have no news, rather than keep recycling old material they could write about something else.


My thought is this . It pays them neither way in this article to be positive nor negative .. the back handed slight is nothing new and there is not much in the way of a feel good story to be had... but I wonder if the WP started posting not positive propaganda pieces but generally with positive spin on news then they would be able to forge closer ties with the team .

Any time it seems there is an opportunity for bridge building the local reporters are the first their with axes

[morpheusmeyers]

Williams was fired and yet here he is one of three who "walked away." And for the other two, it could be written "they chose excellent offers that kept them with their current teams" but then that doesn't have quite the backhand smack to it. The former is a strange cognitive slip for two reporters and a poor job by the proofreader and the latter is small potatoes, but worth noting. I wonder if they realize that if they have no news, rather than keep recycling old material they could write about something else.

Williams did "walk away." He removed his name from contention, then was promptly fired as coordinator the next morning.

Mora and Spaps "walked away," too. In the case of Mora, he was announced as Holmgren's successor almost two weeks after he removed his name from contention.

All three told Snyderatto thanks, but no thanks.

[HigSkin]

I think that one thing we've learned is that the NFC is mediocre and any team can come out of nowhere, i.e. Giants.

We tried splashy coaches and that hasn't worked. So now I'm putting stock in our assistant coaches, talented players, hoping JF can manage all the Snyder BS and keep everything else together.

HTTR

[bethiecox1074]

fine, sign the contract...let's move on and start figuring out who to draft to start building our new dream team! :)

[tim5129]

everyone ones Fassel is the front runner. I'm starting to get tired from seeing JLC name so many times.People post him like he knows everything.

[suze109]

Fassel ... if he is the guy ... will turn out to be a good hire. He has good sideline presence, does good pressers, and likes to throw on first down. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank when this Board realizes that Frazzle is indeed a huge improvement over that Gibbs man.
Well I, for one, will have NO problem eating my helping of crow if we succeed with Fizzle as HC.

But your comment about "that Gibbs man"?!?!

C'mon dude, smoke another one.

Joe Jackson Gibbs is why we have three Lombardis in out trophy case. So that's not only disprespectful but downright stupid to say about a HOF coach.

[Jumbo]

Williams did "walk away." He removed his name from contention, then was promptly fired as coordinator the next morning.

Mora and Spaps "walked away," too. In the case of Mora, he was announced as Holmgren's successor almost two weeks after he removed his name from contention.

All three told Snyderatto thanks, but no thanks.

Really? I get the feeling your Snyderatto trigger is a little too hair sensitive. :)

Rather than just hearing it from me, here are a number of links confirming what I stated. One of them is from a J'ville source, and another one from Fl just to get the local version.



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3215817

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/default.asp?c=sportsnetwork&page=/nfl/news/ABN4128378.htm

http://washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080209/SPORTS01/9943545/1005

http://www.sportinglife.com/nfl/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=international_feed/08/02/06/GRIDIRON_USA-Jacksonville.html

http://www.sbrforum.com/Headlines/NFL/58055.aspx


GW was fired 1-26. 2-2 He was interviewing in Dallas. 2-4/5 were the informal agreements he made in principle with the jags and 2-6 is when acceptance announcents were made.

As for as your other comment, it's simple repeating the spin the WaPo took, which is fine, it's the same one I offered another view of to demonstrate how a biased spin works. Just for the record, it's small potatoes as I said, but it is there even as we just repeated it.

I live near Seattle. No sports media here figured Mora was going anywhere. Spags was made a great offer by his SB team to stay where he was already established. He'll get another crack when he wants it. It's certainly as easy and valid to frame them choosing what they did for the positives in those deals as it is to say they "walked away" due to the negatives of the Redskins situation.

It should be noted, too, that JLC did write in his blog the following:


http://blog.washingtonpost.com/redskinsinsider/2008/01/gregg_williams_1.html

Washington Redskins assistant head coach Gregg Williams said he was considering withdrawing from consideration for the team's head coaching position late last night amid reports citing team sources that he was no longer candidate. As of midnight owner Daniel Snyder and executive vice president Vinny Cerrato had not contacted Williams to notify him of any change in his status, and Williams has heard nothing from them since his final interview 10 days ago.

When asked if he would withdraw from consideration given the drawn out process and recent developments, Williams said: "I really haven't even had time to think about it, but it's something I will consider. I want to discuss it with my players and coaching staff, and at this point I haven't had a chance to contact anyone yet." Sources close to Williams said late last night that they expected Williams to formally pull out after speaking to Joe Gibbs, players and his coaches in the morning.

Whether he did pull out first is speculative as far as I know, but it seems pretty obvious he was not going to be the guy so I don't see how that is "walking away." I'm still thrown by how he was so vilified so often on ES by so many and then there was the great angst about his departure. Me, I hoped he was gonna be the coach.

[HogNose]

Yeah it can be spun a thousand different ways, but the bottom line is that Williams was fired.

[tthorsen5]

I would put it...wore down! :laugh:

I am ready to move on now and support the team. Enough of the circus, just name the coach!

Exactly........

[cphil006]

First it was GW
Then it was Schwartz
Then it was Mora
Then it was Fassel
Then it was a toss-up between Fassel, Meeks, and Spags...

Their guess is as good as ours.

[Jumbo]

First it was GW
Then it was Schwartz
Then it was Mora
Then it was Fassel
Then it was a toss-up between Fassel, Meeks, and Spags...

Their guess is as good as ours.
Exactly. My two cents is the guessing game is what we're all about, but not what news reporters should be all about. :laugh:

But what the hell, it's a "feed me now" society.

[Buck812]

League sources said the team has reached agreement on a contract with longtime college coach John Palermo to be the defensive line coach



Enough Stupidity already! Stop hiring assistants! Looks like we will have to hire Fossil.... He's the only one desperate enough to take the job :doh:

[tr1]

Exactly. My two cents is the guessing game is what we're all about, but not what news reporters should be all about. :laugh:

But what the hell, it's a "feed me now" society.

When it's all said and done, I'd like to hear why GW was not hired (you know, other than, 'we hired the best candidate.')

And, I'd like someone to confirm whether or not Gibbs told GW to continue to interview; if, in fact, GW was Gibbs' recommendation. (I haven't seen this attributed to any named source(s)....though, I may have missed it.)

And, was Fassel 'the guy' two weeks ago...and pulled because of 'fan reaction?'

I'm demanding a Congressional investigation! After all, the Skins are in DC!

;)

[Jumbo]

When it's all said and done, I'd like to hear why GW was not hired (you know, other than, 'we hired the best candidate.')

And, I'd like someone to confirm whether or not Gibbs told GW to continue to interview; if, in fact, GW was Gibbs' recommendation. (I haven't seen this attributed to any named source(s)....though, I may have missed it.)

And, was Fassel 'the guy' two weeks ago...and pulled because of 'fan reaction?'

I'm demanding a Congressional investigation! After all, the Skins are in DC!

;)

I'm keeping an ear and eye on that stuff, too. Gibbs is happy and being quite, and GW is being cordial and decent in his recent remarks. I expect that the answer is close to as messed up as most people assume.

['Skins12th]

Thank you Jumbo for pointing out what I have been fuming about all morning since reading the JR/JLC article. GW was FIRED! He did not walk away. He had one more year left on his contract, he wanted to stay here, he wanted to be HC. Additionally I am irritated that JLC & JR continue to "report" that the Redskins were in the process of giving the job to Fassell: "There were indications, however, that Snyder was moving toward offering the position to Fassel, 58, who was nearly hired earlier in the search precipitated by Gibbs's retirement as team president and coach on Jan. 8." (Washinton Post, Sports Section Front page E1, Feb. 9, 2008)
This information is incorrect and the Redskins (the only true source!) have recently denied that there was a deal/contract negotiations in the works with Fassell (Redskins Radio broadcast from REDSKINS PARK!!! as reported by Bram Weinstein and confirmed by Larry Michael--an employee of the REDSKINS organization! Feb.7, 2008). Despite that, these "reporters" are continuing to get mileage out of this untruth.

Redskins Nation! Do not think that what you read or hear is the truth because it is in a "respectable" newspaper, written by well known columnists- especially when all they can give us is "according to league sources"--who's that? The janitor at NFL headquarters? Don't believe it, don't get worked up over it, don't spread it, and don't resign yourselves to it. We will know who the new HC will be when the Redskins hold an official press conference regarding their selection. This is the NFL, baby---NOT Junior High School! :2cents:

[kingfish50]

On Riggo's radio program, I believe it was Wednesday and they played a recorded interview Bram had with Little Danny. Bram asked why was Gregg Williams let go or not with the Redskins anymore. Little Danny replied (as much as I can remember) that Gregg was a very nice man and he really liked him. He wishes him well but Little Danny wanted (this part is his actual quote) to go in a different direction.

[REEGSKINS]

Fassel ... if he is the guy ... will turn out to be a good hire. He has good sideline presence, does good pressers, and likes to throw on first down. I'll be laughing all the way to the bank when this Board realizes that Frazzle is indeed a huge improvement over that Gibbs man.
i agree that fassel will be a good hire, i dont think i will say he is an improvement over gibbs but i think he will be good.

[Stadium-Armory]

I wonder if they realize that if they have no news, rather than keep recycling old material they could write about something else.

Yea, write about the Capitals or something. Equally worthless content, but less repetitive.

[Voice_of_Reason]

Why does anybody trust what JLC or Jason Reid write? They've been dead wrong so far. For all we know, we haven't heard of the real hire yet.

[Beer is Food]

I won't burn him at the stake until it's time. :silly: There is no choice, we have to back him if he is our coach. Fassel would be 0-0 with the Redskins and if he gets the job then we need to support the guy. There is no reason to go into this like it's the evil step-mother taking over.

You have a choice and there is a reason to voice your anger. The Redskins organization preached stability, and then Snyder passed on Williams, who was perceived as Gibb's hand picked successor. It's Snyder's team and he has every right to hire whoever he wants to hire in any order he wants hire them. However by doing so, he has taken a big risk by elevating his own football acumen above a legend. It's a hell of a gamble. If Snyder is wrong, and the Redskins field a poor product, fans will start making a choice... Loyal fans will choose to become fair-weather fans. And, I for one hope this will be the case... it's the only way to hold a bad owner accountable.



IMO, hiring Fassel is not an option. Whether or not he's the best or worst coach is irrelevant. In order to avoid having to risk betting fan loyalty, Snyder’s only choice is to hire a fan favorite. I see Grimm as the only out and Snyder will make a push for him to be our next coach. The problem is that Snyder jumped the gun and has already hired Fassal's staff.

[Art]

If I'm right, it's not Fassel, it's not Meeks and it's not Mooch. It's someone else, outside the gang of people we have spoken about -- at least spoken a lot about.

[suze109]

I think all the Mods are on Operation Lets Be Cryptic today :silly:

[Art]

This part of the article just makes me giggle:


The Washington Redskins' search for a head coach continued into the weekend with former New York Giants coach Jim Fassel considered to be the front-runner among the known candidates for the job, league sources said...

I've said for some time, Jason's problem is no one at the team will talk to him, so Jason is so outside the loop, with regard to the team and what it might do, that it's almost embarrassing. But, seriously, "league sources said" what the team's leading candidate is? That's goofy.

The team knows who it has as the leading candidate and the team ain't talking. There is no other person anywhere in the world who would know who is considered to be the front runner for the position. There is no way you write this article without a contact with the team. You could at least have written, "Attempts to get confirmation from the team were unsuccessful." This would have feigned some effort.

During this process I've alternated between two thoughts as it relates to Jason. One, his nicely informed speculation as to our possible interview with Mooch would actually come to fruition and we'd hire Mooch and he could use it as a stepping stone to enter ESPN's great abyss. Two, that he's never gotten anyone to tell him who our next coach will be, and it's never appeared in an actual article, so when it happens, his bosses and fans can ask him, "Uh, Jason, how did you not get any of this? How is the team able to do this without you having any clue?"

Either way is fine by me, but, if we can get the last "league source" article out of the Washington Post and have just ONE "team source" article here and there, it'd be great. Joe White has had team source articles. I'm inclined to believe him.

[KnowItAll]

Wow. I had no idea for the 500 earlier threads. Sorry, was that sarcastic?:laugh: