Redskins Won't Win with Snyder

[Blastmagazine]

You probably know the ice cream story, but I couldn't believe how he talked to Mike Nolan when he first met him. I don't know that this guy will ever get it:

http://blastmagazineblogs.com/sports/2008/01/25/the-redskins-will-never-win-with-dan-snyder/#comments

[Art]

Nolan was an idiot.

And, the Redskins were in the playoffs two of the last four years. Snyder owned the team. Reconcile please.

[Blastmagazine]

The NFC blows. Making the playoffs really isn't hard. BIG difference between getting in and getting over the top.

[rshepard]

Nolan was an idiot.

And, the Redskins were in the playoffs two of the last four years. Snyder owned the team. Reconcile please.

Easy:

Redskins record during Snyder's 9 years as an owner:

64-69

And that includes the 11-7 1999 season, when he really hadn't had the chance to put his "Midas Touch" on the team.

[Art]

Repeating, Nolan was an idiot, so as to be sure we remember that.

Our record hasn't been very good. Seems to me the QB thing is the thing we always have lacked and if we find that things will get good for a while. In our history with Snyder, each time our QB play has been pretty good we've won. Each time it hasn't, we've lost.

Seems to me the formula has less to do with Snyder and more to do with quality QB play.

[rshepard]

Repeating, Nolan was an idiot, so as to be sure we remember that.

Fine, I really don't know. but I'll buy it. I think it's much more obvious though, that Snyder's an idiot - and that's only one of his major flaws.

[chow184]

wow a 6+yearold story...

[elkabong82]

This article has already been posted on here.

In any case, Nolan hasn't had many, if any, great accomplishments, and the event in question took place close to a decade ago. You Snyder-haters are really reaching for material now. Of course I guess when your opinions are formed off of assumptions instead of facts, you'll run out of material sooner or later and have to recycle.

[skindogger47]

I can't believe my Fassel haters thread was closed and this one is still open.

[rshepard]

This article has already been posted on here.

In any case, Nolan hasn't had many, if any, great accomplishments, and the event in question took place close to a decade ago. You Snyder-haters are really reaching for material now. Of course I guess when your opinions are formed off of assumptions instead of facts, you'll run out of material sooner or later and have to recycle.

Don't worry, Danny will continue to provide new and better material.

[Backpack3r]

I can't believe my Fassel haters thread was closed and this one is still open.

So tehy didnt take away your thread making rights? It still says Role player under your name. I made a topic, and they shut it down, took away my rights to make a thread in the future, and destroyed my sig with joe gibbs and sean taylor shaking hands

[Forever21]

hold on...what's this? A Snyder bashing thread???? What a novel idea!!

[elkabong82]

Don't worry, Danny will continue to provide new and better material.

And I'm sure you will continue to flood this thread with idiotic bashing that accomplishes nothing and contributes nothing to this thread.

As long as Danny is still breathing, fans will continue to find stupid, base-less reasons for bashing him, instead of actually doing any kind of fact-based criticism.

[Art]

Frankly, the ice cream story is why I like Snyder. The Coles big screen story is why I love Snyder. These are not, in any way, negative acts.

Is Snyder crass? Sure. But, he's also a guy who keenly knew of Mike Nolan that Mike Nolan was a pansy. That insight can be helpful :).

[bulldog]

1. I believe that Snyder acted in 1999 as a new owner and brash youngster at 34 as Nolan relates.

2. Nolan's defensive calls were not suited to the personnel and his lack of adaptability was a reason for his departure. He has since failed in SF to show he can handle the responsibilities of a HC in the NFL.

3. What is yet to be determined is how different Snyder conducts himself now and how his style of management affects who comes to work for the Redskins and how long they last.

[KCJDLJ]

Shouldn't all "Ihatesnyderwewillneverwinaslongasheownstheteam" threads all be merged into one massive thread and exiled to page 500 of the thread listings? This is getting really old. He is not going to sell the team to the fans or Joe Gibbs so get over it already. Why can't we discuss player aquisition or the new direction the team is taking instead of hating on DS. This gets so tiring.

[The Rook]

Deja vu

http://extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237445

:rolleyes:







:helmet: The Rook

[rshepard]

And I'm sure you will continue to flood this thread with idiotic bashing that accomplishes nothing and contributes nothing to this thread.

As long as Danny is still breathing, fans will continue to find stupid, base-less reasons for bashing him, instead of actually doing any kind of fact-based criticism.

Fact-based:

Redskins record during Snyder's 9 years as an owner: 64-69

Not fact-based:

Excuses (Quarterback issues, etc.)

[Jimbo]

Yes, Danny made a mistake, albeit a very big professionalism mistake, several years ago. Let's get past old news and stop bringing up his crappy treatment of a crappy coach.

[Art]

So tehy didnt take away your thread making rights? It still says Role player under your name. I made a topic, and they shut it down, took away my rights to make a thread in the future, and destroyed my sig with joe gibbs and sean taylor shaking hands

We like him better than you. You're a jerk. Face it.

[Backpack3r]

We like him better than you. You're a jerk. Face it.

How so?

[Art]

Fact-based:

Redskins record during Snyder's 9 years as an owner: 64-69

Not fact-based:

Excuses (Quarterback issues, etc.)

Actually, the reply you were given was a fact. You've chosen to ignore it, which sprinkles another fact in:

rshepard so hates Snyder when given information that is true, he rejects it so he can continue being a fool.

You'd do better to listen when you don't know something.

[hail2skins]

3. What is yet to be determined is how different Snyder conducts himself now and how his style of management affects who comes to work for the Redskins and how long they last.

Bingo!

Although I don't think Snyder could use the excuse of being young and brash at 34.

[elkabong82]

Also, the thread starter is pimping his own blog, or at least is named after the blog, so I'm sure there is zero bias there.

Seriously though, some of you honestly believe the Redskins won't win under Snyder based off of a story from like 8 years ago? The title of this thread is dumb, especially considering the Skins have posted a winning record under Snyder, meaning they have won already. If you want to drag out the "No superbowl" tired and old argument, then the title needs to change to reflect that.

In any case, stating your team won't succeed, essentially claiming you no longer have faith in the team, because of your dislike for the owner is stupid, and indicative of a typical bandwagon fan. We are a great fanbase, and we don't need fans like that dragging it down.

[Art]

Also, the thread starter is pimping his own blog, or at least is named after the blog, so I'm sure there is zero bias there.

He is, it's true. I am a better writer though. Probably hurts :).

[rshepard]

Actually, the reply you were given was a fact. You've chosen to ignore it, which sprinkles another fact in:

rshepard so hates Snyder when given information that is true, he rejects it so he can continue being a fool.

You'd do better to listen when you don't know something.

Yes sir!

Glad for you that you enjoy Snyder's crude behavior. Me, I prefer a more dignified approach, but I'd actually happily put up with it if he just ran a professional, WINNING operation.

I see you're back to calling people jerks again - didn't get that out of your system?

[Art]

How so?

I was kidding :).

[Art]

Yes sir!

Glad for you that you enjoy Snyder's crude behavior. Me, I prefer a more dignified approach, but I'd actually happily put up with it if he just ran a professional, WINNING operation.

I see you're back to calling people jerks again - didn't get that out of your system?

I was joking with backpackr. Perhaps you should attune your humor meter so as not to appear dim.

But, not joking, you are a jerk. Your behavior here indicates you don't prefer more dignity in anything but expect it of others. Improve from within then demand more of others.

[SKINS FAN #56]

They can, but they won't.

[kwitt]

2. Nolan's defensive calls were not suited to the personnel and his lack of adaptability was a reason for his departure. He has since failed in SF to show he can handle the responsibilities of a HC in the NFL.
True, but he dresses very nicely out there.

[elkabong82]

Fact-based:

Redskins record during Snyder's 9 years as an owner: 64-69

Not fact-based:

Excuses (Quarterback issues, etc.)

First off, you keep touting the overall record around like being just 5 games under .500 makes us the worst in the league. Until recently, the BEars were garbage, yet made it to a Superbowl. But I guess by your "logic" of solely looking at an overall record would mean the Bears never had a chance to make the Superbowl, right? I'm not even going to mention the worst team in the NFC in '05 Saints making the NFC Championship the following year. Oh wait, I guess I just did. Anyways, any team can make it to the Superbowl any year, it's called parity. So overall record is not indicative that the Skins can't get to the big dance with Snyder as owner.

Injuries, player issues aren't fact-based now? So if the Colts lost Peyton Manning for the season, and went 4-12, that would just be an excuse, it wouldn't be fact the Colts sucked cuz they didn't have Peyton? I think Peyton's stats, and importance to the team, would beg to differ. Losing the right side of your line within 3 weeks of the starting season in '07, losing almost your entire secondary in '06 as well as franchise elite-RB, those are just excuses right? Injuries have no impact what-so-ever on a team, because every other team in the league drafts back-ups who immediately step in and the team doesn't miss a beat. Right? I'm just covering all the lame arguments you and others have/will come up with to ignore facts and put blame on Snyder and the FO for things out of their control.

So yeah, injuries and personell issues are facts, not just excuses, because they actually have an impact on the team.

[Peregrine]

Actually, the reply you were given was a fact. You've chosen to ignore it, which sprinkles another fact in:

Apparently you dont actually know the definition of "fact".

Regardless, I could have sworn the Bears made it to the superbowl with Tyranosaurus Rex, the Giants with Eli "73.3" Manning, the Bucs with Dilfer etc. Eventually even you will run out of excuses.

[skinsman4u]

You can kind of see it coming. The biggest eye sore was letting Pierce go, but you can go back to, well, Dana Stubblefield and up to this point and just kind of see how crucial a GM is in an organization.

Actually, just look around: You have Philly, The Giants, The Pats that comes to my immediate attention. But I've been convinced that if we don't hier a GM, then Snyder will have to die before we win a Super Bowl, though I wouldn't wish that on him. Oh I'm a diehard but I must admit we have a Micky Mouse operation right now and even he could do a lot better!

[KAOSkins]

The proof is in the pudding. That's the only fact there is. When we win consistently (or do anything consistently except flirt with the cap) under Snyder's rule I'll change my tune about him. Till then I'm stuck but I don't have to be happy with it. I hope despite all this apparent madness lately, there's a plan and it comes about. Nothing in his past leads me to believe it will but I'm a fan so I'll be pumped up for next year despite everything.

HAIL!

[Mark The Homer]

Frankly, the ice cream story is why I like Snyder. These are not, in any way, negative acts.

Is Snyder crass? Sure. But, he's also a guy who keenly knew of Mike Nolan that Mike Nolan was a pansy. That insight can be helpful :).Fine. I didn't like Nolan either, and I was glad to see him go.

Thing is though, Snyder was meddlesome. I think that's the point of the ice cream story. Nolan wasn't allowed to do the job his way -- Snyder wanted him to do the job Snyder's way. That is the definition of meddlesome.

Is or was Snyder better qualified to call the shots on defense? I think not.

I've liked the way Snyder has seemingly changed his meddling ways the last handful of years. But if Snyder goes back to his old ways with his new coach, I see nothing but frustrating losses for many, many years to come.

[redskins59]

Nolan is just terrible. He hasn't made San Francisco a power to deal with, has he? Tells me all the guy knows is how to complain.
Seconldy, Patriots got whooped by the Giants in the superbowl. The "NFC is not as good as AFC" is a pathetic excuse.

[Art]

Apparently you dont actually know the definition of "fact".

Regardless, I could have sworn the Bears made it to the superbowl with Tyranosaurus Rex, the Giants with Eli "73.3" Manning, the Bucs with Dilfer etc. Eventually even you will run out of excuses.

The definition of fact is each time we've received good QB play we've done well since Snyder has owned the team. That's not a guess. You can look it up. One can argue Brunell in 2005 was not good late, but was good early.

Eli happened to be playing as well as Eli has ever played for the Giants on their run. But, indeed, a team can rise up even with poor QB play to make it and even win the big game. That has nothing to do with the fact that each time we've received good QB play we've won under Snyder.

And, Snyder is an owner with no win-loss record. Coaches have those for a reason. It's because THEY, not the owner, are the reason a team wins or fails.

[Seabee1973]

Maybe snyder will Fed ex him SOme Vanilla Ice cream IN San Fran and tell him he still doesnt like VAnilla

[Art]

You can kind of see it coming. The biggest eye sore was letting Pierce go, but you can go back to, well, Dana Stubblefield and up to this point and just kind of see how crucial a GM is in an organization.

Actually, just look around: You have Philly, The Giants, The Pats that comes to my immediate attention. But I've been convinced that if we don't hier a GM, then Snyder will have to die before we win a Super Bowl, though I wouldn't wish that on him. Oh I'm a diehard but I must admit we have a Micky Mouse operation right now and even he could do a lot better!

Snyder didn't let Pierce go. He was told his value by the coach who coached him and tried to sign him to a contract that matched the value he was given.

[Art]

Fine. I didn't like Nolan either, and I was glad to see him go.

Thing is though, Snyder was meddlesome. I think that's the point of the ice cream story. Nolan wasn't allowed to do the job his way -- Snyder wanted him to do the job Snyder's way. That is the definition of meddlesome.

Is or was Snyder better qualified to call the shots on defense? I think not.

I've liked the way Snyder has seemingly changed his meddling ways the last handful of years. But if Snyder goes back to his old ways with his new coach, I see nothing but frustrating losses for many, many years to come.

Yes, Snyder was meddlesome under Norv. He hasn't been since.

But, yes, Snyder was better qualified to call the shots on defense than Nolan. So would you be. So would I be. Why? Because we wouldn't be so arrogant as to play a system we weren't good at. We'd do something we could do well.

The point is at some point you need to let it go. We've had four years of Gibbs and one of Marty you know Snyder was out of the picture. Even under Spurrier, Snyder wasn't making decisions. The problem was neither was Spurrier.

[skinsince72]

I have to say I do not agree with the OP. And looking back on my past threads, one could conclude that I am a Pro-Snyder fan. With that being said, I do not think he has ALWAYS made the right decision but his intent with EVERY decision is to bring us back to glory. How can you bash that? That is like bashing a Civil War Union soldier for killing someone, even if it was to abolish slavery.

I think the recent events show that Dan is losing some of his bad habits.(knee jerk hirings) We will win with Dan, I have no doubt about that. And when we do, I hope the Dan haters don't fill ES with "Why Can't We Win Back to Back SB's with Dan" or "We only went 15-1, Dan has to go" threads. But I'm sure they will.

[KAOSkins]

The coach may be responsible for the win loss record directly but the Snyde hires the coach. If one of my employees fail and I consistently replace them with another employee who fails...I'm going to take some heat. What happened to the buck stops here mentality? If we consistently are mediocore with Snyders choices it's his fault. Silly to suggest it isn't.

Edit: Hadn't seen the news yet. I hope with all my being that the thing has turned. Good luck to Zorn and HAIL! Defintely much happier with that than Fassel.

[IF28LuvsDanILuvDan]

The NFC blows. Making the playoffs really isn't hard. BIG difference between getting in and getting over the top.

Great, well thought out reply. Actually, the NFC just won the SuperBowl over the unbeatable AFC Patriots. Moreso, the NFC East just provided the winner.

All that being said, your post blows.

[HogNose]

You probably know the ice cream story, but I couldn't believe how he talked to Mike Nolan when he first met him. I don't know that this guy will ever get it:

http://blastmagazineblogs.com/sports/2008/01/25/the-redskins-will-never-win-with-dan-snyder/#comments


Nolan is a slug, wishes he was like his Father and his defensive schemes were awful. He is still crying just like Antonio Pierce. Screw him.

[Norvitis]

Mike Nolan is one of those people who rises to airy heights because he LOOKS the part of a coach and APPEARS to know what he's doing. He is a classic case of form over substance, which serves him well in California.
Nolan always will be a hollow coach, and Snyder will always have bad to mediocre teams. So they cancel each other out.