An explanation from my source

[voicekiller]

Hey all,

Sorry i couldn't give you the news sooner, but here is what happened...

My buddy called me a couple of hours ago to tell me the news, i was at dinner with the wife...i was in shock just like probably everybody else...he told me he was sorry for misleading me last night but he had to because he saw i was posting the information he was telling me on here...he was pretty pissed (yes he comes on here too)

Anyways, This is what he said happened with the whole process...Fassel was a major contender but after much talk with Vinny since the Spags interview Dan didn't really want fassel, from what my buddy told me he said that Dan said it just didn't feel right...he said in the back of his mind Zorn was always the guy but he just wanted to interview others to make sure...Dan said that Zorn reminded him of "a Gibbs" ...that is why he hired him as OC my buddy kind of called it his Garrett hire...He said that Danny really liked Zorn from day 1, and saw him being the HC down the road anyways...but he wanted Zorn really bad and that is why he hired him on the spot for OC during the whole process...to keep him from staying with the Hawks, while he finished the interviews...

That about sums up my talk with my buddy...i laughed when he told me this but he wanted me to tell everyone on extremeskins he was sorry but he had to do what he did last night to me...

[STBonecrusher21]

That makes sense though. I'm excited for Zorn!

[revallenjr]

Is Michael_33 your source, because he nailed two days ago?

[voicekiller]

Is Michael_33 your source, because he nailed two days ago?no...but michael 33 sure did make a good guess

[Park City Skins]

Seems as though this jibes with what was said in the press release.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237735

[Jimbo]

...he wanted Zorn really bad and that is why he hired him on the spot for OC during the whole process...to keep him from staying with the Hawks, while he finished the interviews...

Now THIS I find VERY interesting. It clears up a lot of questions and criticism.

[33]

Thanks for all the info you passed on. Especially since you were jeopardizing a friendship. I hope you can work that out. :)

[burgngld]

Fassel was a major contender but after much talk with Vinny since the Spags interview Dan didn't really want fassel, from what my buddy told me he said that Dan said it just didn't feel right

Dan is really still a fan at heart...if he wasn't rich he'd be posting to ES every day about how the owner sucked and how Fassel was the wrong guy.

[voicekiller]

Thanks for all the info you passed on. Especially since you were jeopardizing a friendship. I hope you can work that out. :)ya he was cool...but he said that is why he didn't feel bad misleading me with Fassel last night...he said today, "Well everyone thought it was Fassel anyways so why not keep it going until this all gets worked out with Zorn", he also said that is why he was being so cryptic with me...he said he wanted to tell me, but knew i would blab it on here...lol...but he did say he will give me some inside info, but now it will be a little more sparingly, or he will tell me not to blab it until he tells me too...lol

[voicekiller]

Dan is really still a fan at heart...if he wasn't rich he'd be posting to ES every day about how the owner sucked and how Fassel was the wrong guy.oh my god is that the truth...Dan is like the biggest fan my buddy has ever seen.

[MDRedskinsFan]

Thanks again for the info voicekiller. In the future you might want to shield your info by putting it out there as your guess, then those of us who know your history will not question the info. We don't want to get you in trouble...

[voicekiller]

Thanks again for the info voicekiller. In the future you might want to shield your info by putting it out there as your guess, then those of us who know your history will not question the info. We don't want to get you in trouble...ya i am going to do that more often now...

[Moorecards]

Thanks for all the info you passed on. Especially since you were jeopardizing a friendship. I hope you can work that out. :)

I second that Voicekiller

[Moorecards]

ya i am going to do that more often now...


or PM me and I will post it. I will put a VK at the end so the ones that knows you will know it is coming from you LOL

[voicekiller]

or PM me and I will post it. I will put a VK at the end so the ones that knows you will know it is coming from you LOLdon't be surprised if i do that...lol

[bulldog]

At least one other positive comes out of the resolution of the coaching hire.

All of our collective 'sources' can relax and go back to their regular jobs and not worry about being quoted offline about what they see and hear :laugh: :laugh:

[31flavors]

We need to have some reporter do a full story on this proccess. I for one do not buy the Redskin spin.

[ECU-ALUM]

Voice Killer...for what you did for us...thank you.

[hailtotheskins69]

Good job man. I'm really looking forward to Zorn coaching. Could be interesting.

[HigSkin]

Hey VK, no worries...we appreciate you and your guys insight.

[Veretax]

Zornz! It was Zorn all along!

[box8276]

Way to cover you own arse buddy. Tell me, why would your so-called friend mis inform you, knowing your were gonna make a fool out of yourself? Him telling you he had no new information would sound more plausible. Im sorry but im not buying what your selling.
Nobody's inside information has been correct, even the career insiders. Everyone has had to wait so basically, inside info is pretty much worthless.

[skinfan4ever]

Is Michael_33 your source, because he nailed two days ago?

He didn't predict it, he brought it up as a idea and it was a good one.With thousands of people posting on this board someone was bound to get it right.

[voicekiller]

Zornz! It was Zorn all along!

I love this...you have to copyright that:D


At least one other positive comes out of the resolution of the coaching hire.

All of our collective 'sources' can relax and go back to their regular jobs and not worry about being quoted offline about what they see and hear :laugh: :laugh:

you got that right...thanks god i work infront of 2 computers


Voice Killer...for what you did for us...thank you.

hey, i was just doing what i would want anyone else to do with some inside knowledge...it was my pleasure to give everyone some scoops...sorry he mislead me last night, but i guess this was all getting done last night


Good job man. I'm really looking forward to Zorn coaching. Could be interesting.
me too...i am very excited about the hire

Hey VK, no worries...we appreciate you and your guys insight.not a problem, i know you would do the same too

[voicekiller]

Way to cover you own arse buddy. Tell me, why would your so-called friend mis inform you, knowing your were gonna make a fool out of yourself? Him telling you he had no new information would sound more plausible. Im sorry but im not buying what your selling.
Nobody's inside information has been correct, even the career insiders. Everyone has had to wait so basically, inside info is pretty much worthless.lol..thats cool, buy it or not doesn't matter to me...:D

Hail

[skinsince72]

We need to have some reporter do a full story on this proccess. I for one do not buy the Redskin spin.

Do you really want the truth or do you want to read a "spin" that some Dan hater puts on it?

[bulldog]

Every organization employs 'spin'. The Redskins didn't invent not wanting to look bad in public when something untoward or unexpected happens :)

The problem here was the comments to the AP in regards to Spagnuolo after his departure made Steve look tentative and unsure of his abilities, and that was something he and his attorney were not going to let go unchallenged.

Mora Jr. I think used the Redskins from the start as a means of getting Seattle to pony up the commitment to succeed Holmgren. When he was in Atlanta, he mentioned how much he disliked the East and preferred being back in the Pacific Northwest.

[DA SKINZ DUDE]

Its nice to have connections, thanks for the info VK. That really cleared up some things. Next time you want to spill the beans on some "inside scoop", just tell him that we tied you up and threatened to post a picture of you in a Cowgirls jersey.

[voicekiller]

Its nice to have connections, thanks for the info VK. That really cleared up some things. Next time you want to spill the beans on some "inside scoop", just tell him that we tied you up and threatened to post a picture of you in a Cowgirls jersey. if a cowboys jersey even touched my skin it would spontaneously burst into flames

[Hitman#21]

Thanks VK for the updates they really helped in this tough time...but i like the outcome! Also thanks to your buddy for supplying the info LOL.

[Reaganaut]

I'm with VK on this after seeing how much attention he is giving this thread. Nobody who is spinning a yarn would take the care to respond to posts like this. It does reek of authenticity. Now... I don't know what VK has posted previously so I had better go back and find out.

[Cpt.Chaos47]

People saying they don't buy the spin need to think a little harder. I was aginst the hiring of Fassel and have been bashing Dan for the last 2 weeks, but if you think about it, it makes sense. Dan interviews Zorn and liked him alot, but was most likely worried some about his experience and wanted to interview other candidates, but he didn't want Zorn to get away so he hired him as an OC, knowing that if he couldn't find what he felt was a better candidate he could always go back to Zorn. Much like Jerry Jones did last year with Jason Garrett, but Jones decided to go with Wade Phillips and right now it seems like he wished he would have just went ahead and hired Garrett as the HC. It seems Dan didn't want to make that same mistake. Zorn is a former QB like Garrett with the exception that Zorn started and was more talented than Garrett. I'm glad Dan has someone he is comfortable with.That way maybe we'll have the same HC for a long time.

[Seabee1973]

don't be surprised if i do that...lol


just pm me ill post it another skins board and say i saw it there :laugh:

[33]

Hey VK,

You mentioned somewhere the idea of Zorn having been designing his version of the WCO. Do you have information that we will certainly be running a WCO in the coming seasons? Because it's been my belief until now that any WCO talk was speculation until we know that's the side of the bed that Zorn sleeps on. :)

Thanks, again.

[voicekiller]

Hey VK,

You mentioned somewhere the idea of Zorn having been designing his version of the WCO. Do you have information that we will certainly be running a WCO in the coming seasons? Because it's been my belief until now that any WCO talk was speculation until we know that's the side of the bed that Zorn sleeps on. :)

Thanks, again.i am pretty sure that is the style Zorn wanted to implement...but i will try and get confirmation as soon as i can.

[TheItalianStallion]

if a cowboys jersey even touched my skin it would spontaneously burst into flames
:laugh: :applause: :cheers:

[33]

i am pretty sure that is the style Zorn wanted to implement...but i will try and get confirmation as soon as i can.

Thanks. You've been awesome. I also want to second the notion that the idea of a cowboys jersey spontaneously combusting at the touch of your skin was a nice touch.

Can you confirm whether Zorn is the only candidate who did not sleep in Snyders guest house?

Do we know if any of the coaches left notes for the next candidate that slept over?

:laugh:

[SittingBull]

I'm not buying that he always wanted Zorn to be HC but wanted to make sure. We're never going to know the whole story with what went on during this process. The Skins are Danny's baby though and I'm glad he took the time to make sure he was 100% convinced before making the hire.

[voicekiller]

Thanks. You've been awesome. I also want to second the notion that the idea of a cowboys jersey spontaneously combusting at the touch of your skin was a nice touch.

Can you confirm whether Zorn is the only candidate who did not sleep in Snyders guest house?

Do we know if any of the coaches left notes for the next candidate that slept over?

:laugh:I think he did sleep over for the interview but has recently been shopping for a house for him and his family...not sure where he is staying now though

[voicekiller]

I'm not buying that he always wanted Zorn to be HC but wanted to make sure. We're never going to know the whole story with what went on during this process. The Skins are Danny's baby though and I'm glad he took the time to make sure he was 100% convinced before making the hire.he always wanted Zorn as a part of the team as soon as he met him, but after going through the interview process realized Zorn was the guy he wanted for the job...from what i heard he and Gibbs talked about Zorn for a long time too...

[authentic]

he always wanted Zorn as a part of the team as soon as he met him, but after going through the interview process realized Zorn was the guy he wanted for the job...from what i heard he and Gibbs talked about Zorn for a long time too...

Seems consistant from what i heard on Redskins Radio shortly after the announcement.

[CurseReversed]

oh my god is that the truth...Dan is like the biggest fan my buddy has ever seen.


OMG what are you talking about!!

Dan is no fan, he is a money grubbing ego-maniac that could care less about winning only making "big splashes" and keeping the money rolling in.:rolleyes:

I have been saying this for a while now people just dont seem to understand

DAN SNYDER WANTS TO WIN MORE THEN ANY DAMN OWNER IN THE LEAGUE GUARANTEED!!

He just happens to go about it the wrong way far too often.

Has anyone ever seen this guy celebrate after a win, or go crazy after a loss..... ironically he would fit PERFECTLY on this message board, and unfortunately, probably suffers from the same emotional rash decision making many of us do as a result.

Thank you for the info voice killer I look forward to you and your friends insight in the future.:cheers:

[HogNose]

:notworthyThanks VoiceKiller for all the info you updated us with over the past weeks. I'm also gonna kind of miss all these speculation reports and flight tracking threads. It's been stressing and fun. On with the Zorn era! :wavetowel

[Art]

Zorn is the candidate MOST like Gibbs in this whole process. "Too good to be true," comes to mind and puts a different aspect view on why you'd hire him as OC prior to coach. Zorn you knew you wanted. A coach you didn't. And a coach who balked at Zorn wasn't going to get this job, because Zorn was that good.

[voicekiller]

OMG what are you talking about!!

Dan is no fan, he is a money grubbing ego-maniac that could care less about winning only making "big splashes" and keeping the money rolling in.:rolleyes:

I have been saying this for a while now people just dont seem to understand

DAN SNYDER WANTS TO WIN MORE THEN ANY DAMN OWNER IN THE LEAGUE GUARANTEED!!

He just happens to go about it the wrong way far too often.

Has anyone ever seen this guy celebrate after a win, or go crazy after a loss..... ironically he would fit PERFECTLY on this message board, and unfortunately, probably suffers from the same emotional rash decision making many of us do as a result.

Thank you for the info voice killer I look forward to you and your friends insight in the future.:cheers:Dan is that fan from birth who luckily gets to own a team...a fan of the team he grew up with and he is now the owner...how would you do if that was you? I love the fact that he is a superfan...probably comes on here too...lol

Once FA starts i will try to get some more info as things roll along...but now me and my buddy can just go drinking and not have to worry about this search...:D

[33]

Zorn is the candidate MOST like Gibbs in this whole process. "Too good to be true," comes to mind and puts a different aspect view on why you'd hire him as OC prior to coach. Zorn you knew you wanted. A coach you didn't. And a coach who balked at Zorn wasn't going to get this job, because Zorn was that good.

Great take, Art. I hadn't thought of it that way.

[voicekiller]

Zorn is the candidate MOST like Gibbs in this whole process. "Too good to be true," comes to mind and puts a different aspect view on why you'd hire him as OC prior to coach. Zorn you knew you wanted. A coach you didn't. And a coach who balked at Zorn wasn't going to get this job, because Zorn was that good.you hit the nail on the head

[cphil006]

Hey all,

Sorry i couldn't give you the news sooner, but here is what happened...

My buddy called me a couple of hours ago to tell me the news, i was at dinner with the wife...i was in shock just like probably everybody else...he told me he was sorry for misleading me last night but he had to because he saw i was posting the information he was telling me on here...he was pretty pissed (yes he comes on here too)

Anyways, This is what he said happened with the whole process...Fassel was a major contender but after much talk with Vinny since the Spags interview Dan didn't really want fassel, from what my buddy told me he said that Dan said it just didn't feel right...he said in the back of his mind Zorn was always the guy but he just wanted to interview others to make sure...Dan said that Zorn reminded him of "a Gibbs" ...that is why he hired him as OC my buddy kind of called it his Garrett hire...He said that Danny really liked Zorn from day 1, and saw him being the HC down the road anyways...but he wanted Zorn really bad and that is why he hired him on the spot for OC during the whole process...to keep him from staying with the Hawks, while he finished the interviews...

That about sums up my talk with my buddy...i laughed when he told me this but he wanted me to tell everyone on extremeskins he was sorry but he had to do what he did last night to me...

:bsflag:

Very believable story... but, yeah right!!

[Burgundy Burner]

VK, thanks for all the updates in recent weeks - I really enjoyed it. See you in the tracking thread when FA rolls around.

[Mad Mike]

Just my guess but I think part two of the story was Spags. I'm guessing that either one could have ended up with the gig. The only reason it went this way was availability. Dan saw the chance to grab Zorn and hope he could also get Spags but if it were Zorn they had to wait for and Spags could have been pulled away as DC, they might have done it the same way. Not trying to make too much of my theory though. All I'm really saying is that he was trying to get both. Just a general goal of bringing in as much talent as possible.

The main thing though is that it's clear that Zorn impressed from the begining and that's why they went out on a limb to hire him before the HC position was determined. Doesn't seem like it was that much of a leap for Dan to hire him as HC considering how much he obviously liked him from the start.

[Mercuryrising]

Voice Killer...for what you did for us...thank you.

I missed it, what did he do other than give us wrong information and then explain why his information was all wrong? Did he donate a kidney to someone or something. Fill me in please...

[aussieskin]

sounds like danny really did a "thing" on everyone, smart move from a smart man, he stayed honest and gave everyone a chance, if JZ turns out like JG I will be more than happy

[turbodiesel#44]

Way to cover you own arse buddy. Tell me, why would your so-called friend mis inform you, knowing your were gonna make a fool out of yourself? Him telling you he had no new information would sound more plausible. Im sorry but im not buying what your selling.
Nobody's inside information has been correct, even the career insiders. Everyone has had to wait so basically, inside info is pretty much worthless.Naaaawww. Really? And the info corresponds to the company spiel press release not more than an hour before his post. Ya think VC's source was his own ingrown anal hair? Smells like it.

[voicekiller]

lol...like i said before believe me or not i don't care...just telling you what my buddy told me, and i am 100% positive he knows a hell of a lot more than you turbo. but i must say this you did make me laugh...thanks

[Mercuryrising]

First he implied that it was going to be Spags, then he said it was definitely Fassell, and patted himself on the back with how he and his source were spot on, and now after it is announced to be ZORN, he offers this up? VK = ZERO credibility. He was hoping to guess it right and be known as the new Andyman is what my source tells me.

[Mercuryrising]

lol...like i said before believe me or not i don't care...just telling you what my buddy told me, and i am 100% positive he knows a hell of a lot more than you turbo. but i must say this you did make me laugh...thanks

Glad you do not care, because anyone reading through your post history knows now not to believe you.

[Oliphant]

Thanks VK. Good stuff. Legit or "not" I enjoyed the heck out of it. Feel free to keep the info coming when free agency hits. : - )

[Kirk Cousins' Cousins]

vk i think yer full of it..sorry..

[voicekiller]

first he implied that itwas going to be Spags, then he said it was definitely Fassell, and patted himself on the back with how he and hissource were spot on, and now after it is announced to be ZORN, he offers this up? VK= ZERO credibility. He was hoping to guess it right and be known as the new Andyman is what my source tells me.lol..ok too funny...well you are right and wrong...again go look at my old posts...i never said it was Spags...i said the meetings went well...which they did...i myself from my own opinion thought it may be Spags from what my buddy told me...but he never told me it was Spags i was just hoping it wasn't Fassel and assumed from what he told me it was him...i never said it was definitely Fassel...my buddy told me looks like it is Fassel, and then said but nothing is certain until a contract is signed (and as i said before he told me this to throw me off)... but again as i said many times, i don't care if you think i am 100 or 0 % credible...i know what i know and i know who i know and who i know knows a lot more than you do...i guarantee it..but thanks...you too made me laugh:D

[turbodiesel#44]

lol...like i said before believe me or not i don't care...just telling you what my buddy told me, and i am 100% positive he knows a hell of a lot more than you turbo. but i must say this you did make me laugh...thanksSo far I am batting 1000 on inside info ferreting on this board. Either you were a fool for making up crap and feeding it to the blind, or you got played like a trout by your "friend", making you a fool. Your choice. Either way, your info is/was garbage and no use to anyone here.

[Mercuryrising]

lol..ok too funny...well you are right and wrong...again go look at my old posts...i never said it was Spags...i said the meetings went well...which they did...i myself from my own opinion thought it may be Spags from what my buddy told me...but he never told me it was Spags i was just hoping it wasn't Fassel and assumed from what he told me it was him...i never said it was definitely Fassel...my buddy told me looks like it is Fassel, and then said but nothing is certain until a contract is signed (and as i said before he told me this to throw me off)... but again as i said many times, i don't care if you think i am 100 or 0 % credible...i know what i know and i know who i know and who i know knows a lot more than you do...i guarantee it..but thanks...you too made me laugh:D

Well that is better than being wrong, wrong and pathetic like someone trying to act like they have inside info when they do not, and everything blows up in their face.

When people were saying they thought Spags was going to be offered the job you replied "It looks like my source was spot on with that!"

No contract offered to Spags. Strike 1

Then: Your buddy knowing that you spread what he says to you like wildfire on ES, to feed your ego, decided that telling you that Fassell was the guy would be a great idea? Why exactly would he want you telling everyone that Snyder was hiring Fassell? What would the point be? Seems like a really stupid PR move instead of a brilliant subterfuge attempt. Strike 2 (for announcing the Fassell hiring) and strike 3 for the BS story about how your not so credible source needed you to spread false info on the forum for some kind of brilliant cover plan.....
But we now know it is all BS.

[voicekiller]

So far I am batting 1000 on inside info ferreting on this board. Either you were a fool for making up crap and feeding it to the blind, or you got played like a trout by your "friend", making you a fool. Your choice. Either way, your info is/was garbage and no use to anyone here.it is funny how you think i am full of it but then come in here over and over to read what i wrote and try to make some sort of statement...if you think i am full of it fine, it doesn't matter

and as i said before yes he did give me some mis-leading info last night and told me why today...but whatever it doesn't really matter...i am done defending myself...take it easy, enjoy the off season.:helmet:

[voicekiller]

Well that is better than being wrong, wrong and pathetic like someone trying to act like they have inside info when they do not, and everything blows up in their face.

When people were saying they thought Spags was going to be offered the job you replied "It looks like my soucre was spot on with that!"

No contract offered to Spags. Strike 1

So let me get this straight. Your buddy knowing you spread what he says like wildfire on ES to feed your ego, decided that telling you Fassell was the guy would be a great idea? Why exactly would he want you telling everyone that Snyder washiring Fassell, what would the point be? Seems like a really stupid PR move. Strike 2 (for announcing the Fassell hiring) and strike 3 for the BS story about how your notso credible source needed you to spread false info on the forum for some kind of brilliant cover plan.....
But we know it is all BS.enjoy the off season...take it easy...im done with you...i am not getting into a pissing contest with you it is an exercise in futility

[Mercuryrising]

Don't worry you keep guessing at things and eventually you will get something right!

[69 YARDS]

...i know what i know and i know who i know and who i know knows a lot more than you do...

Thank you Edie Brickell. :applause:

[Mercuryrising]

Thank you Edie Brickell. :applause:

Haha! Good late 80's pull!

[BleedBNG]

:laugh: I just love the way this had PFT running in circles. Every person Snyder interviewed at the time was going to be "the next head coach."

Now, voicekiller... give us the scoop on the next OC.

[suze109]

Seems as though this jibes with what was said in the press release.

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showthread.php?t=237735
Hmmm ... ya think? ;) Amazing ....

[Blue Collar Skins]

Thanks Voicekiller. It sounds to me that The Danny was doing his due diligence.

[Shadskins1980]

Stop lyin voicekiller! lol