The media continues to spout lies about Snyder that piss me off

[inmate running the asylum]

These unfair and untruthful articles which perpetuate lies about Dan Snyder really piss me off as a die-hard Redskins fan. The media is already criticizing Snyder on day 1 of Jim Zorn’s hiring, in spite of the fact that Joe Gibbs has had nothing but good things to say about Snyder for the past 4 years! According to Gibbs, Snyder has not meddled and has always provided him with whatever he thought the team needed. I don’t blame Snyder for not giving interviews to the media.




http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631354

Snyder's ineptness rears its ugly head again with coaching hire
Feb. 9, 2008
By Pete Prisco
CBSSports.com Senior Writer

You can have money. You can have power. And you can also insist on all your underlings calling you "Mister." But none of that can bring you football sense.

Snyder's search for a head coach for his Washington Redskins ended Saturday night with the hiring of Jim Zorn, the former NFL quarterback he brought to Washington two weeks ago to be his offensive coordinator -- not his head coach. The following rip job on that move isn't meant to indict Zorn, who is regarded highly as an offensive coach. But, come on, what the heck is Snyder doing?

Did he really need a month to decide on Zorn? Or is this simply a panic move or more like one of Snyder's trademark I'll-do-what-I-damn-well-please moves? Snyder makes as much money as any owner in the league. He's a master at it, in fact. For that, he should be lauded. But football-wise, he should be shredded.

He is the knee-jerk, react owner who spends lavishly and most of the time it's foolishly. Look at his track record. Take a look at his coaches. How'd that Steve Spurrier work out? How about bringing back Joe Gibbs? Wasn't exactly worth it, was it? Snyder's free agency and trade scoreboard is littered with failure. Paging Adam Archuleta. Paging Antwaan Randle El. Paging Brandon Lloyd.

In one paragraph above he criticizes Snyder for taking a month to decide on a coach, and then in the paragraph below that, he calls Snyder a “knee-jerk, react owner!” Which is it, jerkoff?

Then he blames Snyder for the signing of Adam Archuletta (Greg Williams brought Archuletta aboard) and for trading for Brandon Lloyd. Joe Gibbs has to take the blame for the ultimate decision to trade for Lloyd, not Snyder. Snyder doesn't watch game film and evaluate players.



The problem is Snyder thinks he knows football just because he collected football cards years ago and wore Redskins colors to school. But he doesn't. Instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs, he's way too involved. This is an owner who actually has sought out advice on free agents from league writers. I've heard it with my own ears, not that he ever asked me. Of course, I would have been a no-go on Archuleta and Randle El and Lloyd from the start. You can look that up. Is he really the man who the Redskins faithful want having input into football decisions? Snyder is a brilliant businessman. As a football man, he's messier than Amy Winehouse's life.

Then Prisco say “instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs, he’s way too involved. Well I suppose when you hire Joe Gibbs and have the highest paid coaching staff in football history, that's not letting football people do their jobs and that didn’t count! :doh:



Is Zorn really a better choice than Gregg Williams, the in-house candidate who was the odds-on favorite to get the job, only to be rebuffed when he didn't play kissy-face with the owner? No, but Zorn is probably a better yes-man.

It appeared the job was Williams' to lose when Gibbs retired, but Williams never seemed to win over the owner. The theory around the league is that it's because he wasn't open to those moments when Snyder wanted to play coach. Snyder cast him aside, even though players and others thought him to be the right guy for the job.

You’re right-on there, Prisco, its just your theory.



Williams didn't bow down, which is a mistake when you work for Snyder. Many league insiders refer to Vinny Cerrato, the executive vice president of football operations, as "Snyder's boy." At times in his stint with the Redskins, Cerrato wondered if he would even have a job, but always was wise to stay close to the owner. Now he's the football decision-maker. He's a yes-man. Maybe his name should be Vinny "Cerrat-never-say-no." Cerrato is actually now second in command in making football decisions to the ultimate decision-maker, Snyder. I mean Mr. Snyder. Oops.

It's clear that Snyder went for a coach who would listen to him. He picked Zorn. That's after several others backed away, including New York Giants defensive coordinator Steve Spagnuolo, who was told by confidants around the league to pass. Why did Spags and others pass? They didn't want to inherit two coordinators, Zorn on offense and Greg Blache on defense, already hired by Snyder. Talk about troubles. How can you expect a new head coach to take two guys the owner hired onto his staff as his closest confidants? Doesn't Snyder watch mob shows? Even if they weren't rats, they'd both be perceived as such.

Zorn has never been a head coach. Heck, he's never been a coordinator. But he's probably open to Snyder's meddling. It is one of 32 jobs of its kind, which does mean something, even when the owner is calling you to the office two and three times a day. When Gibbs was around, Snyder idolized him. He was a fan. He wasn't going to interfere with the legend. But with Gibbs gone, Snyder is back to his old ways, ways that his previous coaches hated.

Its true Zorn has never been a head coach or even a coordinator. But I don’t see the media criticizing the Baltimore Ravens owner or Ozzie Newsome for just hiring John Harbaugh as head coach, who has also never been a coordinator or head coach. And what about Andy Reid, who was hired by the Eagles and has done quite well in his career? No mention of either by the moronic Prisco.



Zorn might turn out to be a heck of a coach. I loved the way he played the game. He was daring and he might be that way as a coach. That's always a good thing. But the perception with his players will be that he is Danny's Boy. That's never a good thing. It could make for some real problems.

Snyder is smarter than all this. I always look at the Redskins' business side to see just how smart he truly is in that area. It's a cash machine. He should tend to that and hire some smart football people, not men who have "Yes, Mr. Snyder" in their automatic reply settings because it's used so much. Money and power mean a lot, Mr. Snyder. But they will never buy somebody football sense. We've been reminded of that once again by Snyder's actions of the past month.

Oh, Danny Boy. Not again.

If I recall correctly, Jim Zorn addressed Dan Snyder as “Dan” during his press conference and not “Mr. Snyder.”

Nothing but fabricated lies about Dan Snyder that some other anti-Redskin idiots that reside on this board will try to spin as the truth.

Dan Snyder has admitted to making some football mistakes in the past. But Joe Gibbs has had nothing but good things to say about Dan, and Snyder is also a man that has given thousands of dollars to charity and good causes, and deserves to be treated with a little decency.

The misleading title alone for this article was enough to piss me off, let alone the lies it contained.

[jimster]

articles like this always makes me think of Jim Mora Sr.'s quote to the media
"You think you know, but you don't know, and you never will."

[DCMONEY]

Well Snyder and Co. were making questionable personnel moves before Gibbs. Marty came and purged the Skins roster. The Skins had like the 3rd lowest payroll in the league. Danny fires Marty and brings back Cerrato. Then Gibbs comes back. All 3(Vinny,Dan,Gibbs) of them ran the credit card up to me. I remember when Gibbs 1st came back, all the talk was he needs his kind of players and so on. I love Gibbs but you have to question a lot of the personnel moves that were made. And as far as this team being left in good shape. There not Cap wise. I mean I think Parcells left the Cowbums in better shape than Gibbs left for Zorn IMO. :2cents:

[gortiz]

man - I read this before I came to work and could not believe how brutal this garbage was. I was going to start a post and ask everyone to take target practice at this a-hole.

God knows I"m no DS fan, but this article is HORRIBLE.

[Jaron]

"But with Gibbs gone, Snyder is back to his old ways, ways that his previous coaches hated."

I read that article this morning and thought the exact same thing you did inmate.

What does the above quote even mean?? How is he back to his old ways? HE JUST HIRED A HEAD COACH. How is he meddling??

[gortiz]

How Do You Call A 30 Day Head Coach Search That Saw 10 People Candidates Interview A "knee Jerk Reaction????????????"

Prisco Is A Punk!

[inmate running the asylum]

Well Snyder and Co. were making questionable personnel moves before Gibbs.

True. But that was over 4 years ago, and as you say: before Gibbs. Snyder admitted to those mistakes. The media needs to quit beating a dead horse.



Then Gibbs comes back. All 3(Vinny,Dan,Gibbs) of them ran the credit card up to me. I remember when Gibbs 1st came back, all the talk was he needs his kind of players and so on. I love Gibbs but you have to question a lot of the personnel moves that were made. And as far as this team being left in good shape. There not Cap wise. I mean I think Parcells left the Cowbums in better shape than Gibbs left for Zorn IMO. :2cents:


Some of what you say is true. But when Gibbs said he wanted to sign guys like Washington, Springs, and other high priced free agents, what was Snyder supposed to do to a legendary coach? Say no?

As I recall, most Redskins fans were pretty excited about all the free agents the Skins signed in Gibbs first year back. But when they blew it on the Archuletta and Lloyd picks, now everyone is complaining.

Signing high priced free agents is a gamble. You win some and lose some. Dallas has done pretty well with the T.O. signing (13-3 record), but the Eagles bombed on T.O, although he did help get them to the playoffs.

[gortiz]

this article has nothing to do with DS and the redskins, and everything to do with a lazy SOB who barely lifted a finger to research what is going on with this team and the ownership.

[Ernie5]

The "questionable moves" by Snyder and Cerrato were more than 4 years ago; they were 8 years ago. I agree, however, that the Gibbs/Snyder/Cerrato FO made some iffy moves, but they were the moves that HC/GM Gibbs wanted to make. We know that in some cases -- with both Spurrier and Gibbs -- Cerrato held an opposing view and was overruled. Hard to affix blame to anyone but Gibbs (and perhaps GW, who really really wanted Archuleta).

[gmac79d]

I responded similarly in another thread.

I agree. After listening to and reading reaction to the hire, I am now convinced that Snyder (and the Redskins) will always be criticized and mocked, no matter what moves they make.

Dan Snyder has absolutely the worst PR of anyone in the league this side of Pacman Jones.

In some ways it is freeing to know that the criticism is not based on objective criteria but rather an emotional response to a man that many media members and fans have come to despise and revile. It used to upset me when you read and hear opinions from the media and from "league sources" and worry me about the moves that were made. Now, it is easier to dismiss such rhetoric and just wait to see the results on the field.

In many ways, such reaction is as unfounded and blind as the "rose-colored glasses", homer type proclimations.

I think Jerry Jones would be in a similar situation, but he has better PR than Dan, and made a precient move in hiring Jimmy Johnson that resulted in Super Bowl trophies.

The relentless sniping will continue until Dan has a championship (or a couple of championship appearances). It's that simple.

[Riggo#44]

As I recall, most Redskins fans were pretty excited about all the free agents the Skins signed in Gibbs first year back. But when they blew it on the Archuletta and Lloyd picks, now everyone is complaining.

Signing high priced free agents is a gamble. You win some and lose some. Dallas has done pretty well with the T.O. signing (13-3 record), but the Eagles bombed on T.O, although he did help get them to the playoffs.



Ok, it's well agreed that Duckett, Lloyd and Archuletta were colossal busts. But why does everyone continue to ignore the amount of success in both free agency and the draft that the Skins had under Gibbs: Washington, Springs, Griffin, Carter, Fletcher, Smoot was solid last year. The draft has netted us 6-7 starters in 12 or 13 picks. Amazing.

For example -- when was the last time the Skins had a 1st round bust? Patrick Ramsey, in 2002.

[Curb Feeler]

Well Snyder and Co. were making questionable personnel moves before Gibbs. Marty came and purged the Skins roster. The Skins had like the 3rd lowest payroll in the league. Danny fires Marty and brings back Cerrato. Then Gibbs comes back. All 3(Vinny,Dan,Gibbs) of them ran the credit card up to me. I remember when Gibbs 1st came back, all the talk was he needs his kind of players and so on. I love Gibbs but you have to question a lot of the personnel moves that were made. And as far as this team being left in good shape. There not Cap wise. I mean I think Parcells left the Cowbums in better shape than Gibbs left for Zorn IMO. :2cents:


I have come to accept that Danny Snyder wants to be the " smartest man in the room". Time after time he refuses to get help on Football matters from knowledgeable NFL personel. I know Gibbs is a HOF'er but the game is so different than the good ol' days. Cerratto has not proved "jack'. On first round picks, the chances of getting a quality player is dececent. It is the later rounds when you need to act like you know a little something about finding players. The Skins have let players in their own back yard slip away from U of MD.( Merriman) Howard ( Bethea) U of VA (Brooks) etc.

The article is like your favorite "crack-smoking :pint: :pint: , alcoholic, meth-head" uncle . You can talk about him but no one else can talk about him. The article stings a little a bit but there is some truth in it. :2drunks: :pint:

[Taylor 36]

articles like this always makes me think of Jim Mora Sr.'s quote to the media
"You think you know, but you don't know, and you never will." Very good point. :applause: The fact is that the media hates Snyder, for whatever reason anyone wants to offer up, and they will rip into him, fairly or unjustly, no matter what. Some of the threads around here as of late have speculated that if Snyder wins a few SB's, he won't get the bashing he does now, ala Jerry Jones. The fact is, if/when we do win a SB, the media will find a way to spin it so that it happened despite Snyder.:doh:

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Gibbs was attending to personal matters when they signed Lloyd. He had to sign off on it, and he also gave the nod to his new contract, but he wasn't the 'evaluator'. Heard that on Redskins Radio, I even asked Bram and Larry about who made the decision on the extension (unnecessary IMO) and no one had an answer.

[TK]

this article has nothing to do with DS and the redskins, and everything to do with a lazy SOB who barely lifted a finger to research what is going on with this team and the ownership.
Ding.

[Destino]

Can you point out the "lies" please? The subject line says that the media is lying about Snyder and when I read it all I see is a homer talking about how Snyder has changed and isn't that bad. That's your opinion. I'm a skins fan and have been for 20 years: IMO Snyder runs this team like a kid with a train set.

When he came in he dragged in the old player allstar team.. didn't work. Than we dragged in the college coach that every one wanted... didn't work. Then he tried to save his rep as a team destroying owner and brought Gibbs out or retirement... things improved but the FO continued to suck.

Sure if you look at the players we got you could say the FO wasn 't that bad. The problem is that it's not about picking the right players, it's about getting them at the right price and that is something the Train Set Terror of an owner we have has never been able to figure out.

His loyalty is more to Vinnie than the fans of the coach and together they took a month to find a coach that wouldn't demand Vinnie get on the next train out of town. What's really sad is that Gibbs has turned into a Snyder yes-man paid to be trotted out and tell the fans (who don't trust the owner) that the latest Snyder screw up will work out just fine.

[The Full Monty]

To Inmate,

I wouldn't get pissed off by the media. They're just money-grubbing idiots trying to make a cheap buck. They exist because we read their articles, especially online.

You see guys, when you go read an article online, those little sidebar advertisements earn that website money, it's called cost-per-impression, as opposed to when they make money when you click on the advertisement (pay-per-click).

Most major sites use the cost-per-impression revenue model, where simply by getting their ad displayed to many online viewers, (a.k.a. unique page hits) they get paid MORE by the advertiser.

So even when one of us finds an article that's biased and posts a link for all to see, by virtue of all of us clicking on that link we are generating MORE money for whatever media hack produced the anti-Redskins rant.

Let's all just recognize that the chips are against us and the media is biased. Let's not line their pockets even further!

[stwasm]

Then Prisco say “instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs, he’s way too involved. Well I suppose when you hire Joe Gibbs and have the highest paid coaching staff in football history, that's not letting football people do their jobs and that didn’t count! :doh:

I think he's referring to the fact that there's no real general manager with the team who has a track record of making wise football decisions.


Its true Zorn has never been a head coach or even a coordinator. But I don’t see the media criticizing the Baltimore Ravens owner or Ozzie Newsome for just hiring John Harbaugh as head coach, who has also never been a coordinator or head coach. And what about Andy Reid, who was hired by the Eagles and has done quite well in his career? No mention of either by the moronic Prisco.

Doc Walker addressed this last night. The difference is that Ozzie Newsome has an excellent track record in terms of drafting and player acquisitions. He also has a Super Bowl ring to his credit. Andy Reid has taken the Eagles to four NFC title games and a Super Bowl. Compared to those two teams, the Redskins have done next to nothing under Snyder. Like it or not, until a Snyder-led team shows sustained, on-field success, instead of one playoff win since 2000, he will receive criticism like Prisco's.



[color=red] If I recall correctly, Jim Zorn addressed Dan Snyder as “Dan” during his press conference and not “Mr. Snyder.”

Snyder has been known to berate employees for not calling him "Mr. Snyder." It didn't happen during the press conference, but it has happened. Until the Redskins do something on field, like it or not, we'll just have to get used to criticism the media bestows upon this franchise.

[HailSkinz1]

That's just Prisco being Prisco. It's his job to spew vitriol. There was another article on CBSSportsline, by Clark Judge I think, that was much better.

Don't let Prisco get to you. He lives to get people pissed off at him.

Hail,

H

[Smokeskins]

At some point us as fans have to take some blame for the way Snyder is treated and talked about. there are many of us, including me, who have bashed Snyder. Do we as fans and ticket owners have more of a right to bash him?? maybe. The media is has to praise or bash someone to sell papers. I don't think snyder is anywhere near as bad as the orioles ambulance chaser owner is. We as fans need to support him and also question him about his decisions, but we shouldn't throw him to the wolves all the time. after all it is his team we cheer for.

[ttr77]

Every day I log into this site I see a handful of new threads about how some writer has 'disrespected' or 'written lies' about this organization. Every day. Yet many people on here just wave them off, saying that they are just 'out to make a buck' or have some 'agenda' agains the franchise.

At what point will we, as a fanbase, simply agree that this franchise has made tons of mistakes and lots of enemies over the years? And that much of the negative press is, in fact, justified? Where there is smoke, there is usually some fire. When the entire forest is burning down right in front of our eyes, it's time to accept it.

And until this becomes a consistently winning and respectable franchise, it will, and should, continue.

[KingGibbs]

Every day I log into this site I see a handful of new threads about how some writer has 'disrespected' or 'written lies' about this organization. Every day. Yet many people on here just wave them off, saying that they are just 'out to make a buck' or have some 'agenda' agains the franchise.

At what point will we, as a fanbase, simply agree that this franchise has made tons of mistakes and lots of enemies over the years? And that much of the negative press is, in fact, justified? Where there is smoke, there is usually some fire. When the entire forest is burning down right in front of our eyes, it's time to accept it.

And until this becomes a consistently winning and respectable franchise, it will, and should, continue.

You know, I've been thinking the same thing for a while. People want everything sugar coated and it just doesn't work that way. Like you said ,where there's smoke there's fire. As mentioned before, if you don't like what you see in print, don't read it. If you don't like what see or hear on tv or the radio , change the channel.

[Ernie5]

simply agree that this franchise has made tons of mistakes and lots of enemies over the years? And that much of the negative press is, in fact, justified?

I went through this in another thread. This regime has made a bunch of mistakes and a bunch of good moves. The mistakes are amplified in the public memory and the good moves are often banished. The fact is people speculate and call those speculative thoughts FACTS. When you state something as a fact and it isn't -- either because we don't know or it's demonstrably false -- those are lies.

Snyder made some dumb decisions in 2000. He earned the "meddler" and "big name" hunter tags. He has made mistakes since then, but not those mistakes. I think that Schottenheimer, Spurrier, and Gibbs, although big names, were legit hires that many clubs would have made. Yet, even now, the guy gets the same bag of trash. That's the part that irks me.

[Curb Feeler]

Until the Redskins win ( get past the second around of the play-offs or don't have to bust a gut to win 5 or 6 games in a row because their backs are against the wall) with this "Jacked-up" system , the media has every right to critique the methods of the 2 people responsible for the make up of the coaches, players , secretaries and janitors for this team. Until then, unless they know something 30 other teams ( except Da Raiders), their strategy of running a NFL team should be questioned!!!

[ttr77]

simply agree that this franchise has made tons of mistakes and lots of enemies over the years? And that much of the negative press is, in fact, justified?

I went through this in another thread. This regime has made a bunch of mistakes and a bunch of good moves. The mistakes are amplified in the public memory and the good moves are often banished. The fact is people speculate and call those speculative thoughts FACTS. When you state something as a fact and it isn't -- either because we don't know or it's demonstrably false -- those are lies.



Almost everything stated outside of Redskins Park, whether negative or positive, is speculation. Unfortunately those on the negative side have a lot more ammo.

[Veretax]

Oh yeah the Prisco ARticle. I swear this guy, and a lot of other Mediaots just have an Axe to grind. I've noticed from my experience with WVU's recent coaching search, that there are lots of "leaks" that aren't really leaks from inside the hiring process. The media is so "jump for the scoop" now that accuracy is meaningless. One guy says he thinks its fassel, and next thing you know ever outlet is saying we are hiring the guy. The Media really has lost its integrity where it comes to sports in the last year or two, and frankly they can down the franchise all they want. I love the hire of Zorn. That's a fact.

[jimster]

I saw no lies. Some opinion I did not necessarily agree with. Some I agreed with 100%. Snyder is truly lucky that some people refuse to be objective when it comes to evaluating his tenure. It has been almost a complete failure and yet he still gets support. One would hope that this whole Zorn thing would open people's eyes.

your post is a perfect example of people not being objective when it comes to Snyder. When people hear something bad about him, they want to believe it. When they hear something positive, they insist it can't be true because I don't like him.

This "whole Zorn thing" is portayed by the haters as he was the only guy that would take the job, as if we were turned down by everyone we interviewed. Yet, when the team finally spoke about the process, Snyder said himself when he first interviewed Zorn, he told Joe Gibbs he thought he would make a great HC, but Gibbs told Snyder to interview all the people you said you would before make a decision. - I would think that piece of info would make people think for themselves instead of believing every opinion piece written by people who are never even around Redskins Park, but whose "sources" are just other writers who have slanted opinions like theirs.

[Popeman38]

Can you point out the "lies" please? The subject line says that the media is lying about Snyder and when I read it all I see is a homer talking about how Snyder has changed and isn't that bad. That's your opinion. I'm a skins fan and have been for 20 years: IMO Snyder runs this team like a kid with a train set.Well, I will start with a direct quote from the writer:
The following rip job on that move isn't meant to indict Zorn, who is regarded highly as an offensive coach. But, come on, what the heck is Snyder doing?So he admits right off the bat that this article is nothing more than a rip job. Everything after that is an attack, and a self admitted attack. Did he need a onth? Sure, hiring the next coach of a multi-billion dollar company is an impotant decision. Would Prisco have an issue if a Fortune 500 company took over a month to name it's new CEO? It happens all the time. I too have been a Skins fan for over 20 years. Your opinion is that Snyder runs the team like a kid with a train set? He went crazy in 2000. Tried to buy the title. Didn't work. He hired Marty and that didn't work. Then he hired Steve Spurrier, the same coach every other owner with an opening tried to hire. So if you rip Danny for this, you have to rip every other owner that tried to land him. You don't hear that, you hear them being praised for trying to better their team. Then he brings back Joe Gibbs and allows him to run the whole thing. So how is Danny being a bad owner? Oh yeah, he hasn't hired a "real" GM. This is what makes him horrible? :doh:
When he came in he dragged in the old player allstar team.. didn't work. Than we dragged in the college coach that every one wanted... didn't work. Then he tried to save his rep as a team destroying owner and brought Gibbs out or retirement... things improved but the FO continued to suck.Why does the FO suck? Provide real evidence. All we ever hear is "there is o GM". This is true, but still not proof the FO sucks. We have made a few bad signings/trades. But so has every other team. How did Jevon Kearse work out for the great Philly FO? TO? How about the DT busts in Philly's drafts? Look at NY's FA/draft history. Can find just as many bad signings as we have. Dallas - first round bust dynasty there. Look over their last few drafts and tell me they haven't busted out. Yes, they found Ware. We founf Cooley in the 3rd. 2 starting DT in the 6th.
Sure if you look at the players we got you could say the FO wasn 't that bad. The problem is that it's not about picking the right players, it's about getting them at the right price and that is something the Train Set Terror of an owner we have has never been able to figure out.According to you. Snyder pays, and players all know this. But he has gotten better about paying equally. ARE was a good signing. He is way more involved than he ever was in PIT.
His loyalty is more to Vinnie than the fans of the coach and together they took a month to find a coach that wouldn't demand Vinnie get on the next train out of town. What's really sad is that Gibbs has turned into a Snyder yes-man paid to be trotted out and tell the fans (who don't trust the owner) that the latest Snyder screw up will work out just fine.Snyder-hate, nothing more. No substance to this quote. You think, therefore it is.

[ttr77]

Yet, when the team finally spoke about the process, Snyder said himself when he first interviewed Zorn, he told Joe Gibbs he thought he would make a great HC.

I understand what you are saying..but just because Snyder 'said so' does not make it any more true in my eyes. If everyone else DID turn him down, what should he say? "No one else would take the job, but thankfully Jim did".

I'm not saying that this is the case, but one who says it is NOT the case is no more correct than someone that says it is. It's all speculation, but hearing Snyder tell me anything about the process is similar to hearing Bush tell me about the process for going to war. I get a distant look in my eyes and wonder exactly why it is that I should believe them.

[brandies]

I am just happy the press does a better job about informing us of current events and political issues. (sarcasm) Bottom line. Snyder's heart is in the right place and there is a learning curve. I hope it is not to slow of a learning curve. I thought Fassel would have been fine, and Zorn's an open book. I am hoping for the best and looking forward to the draft.

[meast4eva]

I don't even bother paying attention to the media. Like Mr Snyder, I've just decided to turn the other cheek. I don't know if they say nasty things about him because they actually feel that way or because theyr just trying to sell papers or what but I wont' bother giving them the time of day anymore. Personally I think that he was an easy target for them to pick on in his first few years because he wasn't making the best decisions. When he bought the Redskins he was a lot like Jason Campbell when we drafted him. It took time to groom him and to teach him about the NFL. He came on the field and made mistakes but with each mistake made came a lesson. JC's developed into a fine young player and a leader of this team just like Mr Snyder has developed into a fine owner and leader of the franchise. And both are going to continue to grown and learn with each passing day.

I think the media prefered having a young inexperienced Mr Snyder to poke fun at because he was such an easy target and now that he's not that same guy the media can't give him the credit he deserves because they would be admitting their own mistakes by making fun of him all these years.

[Passizle]

I dont see much wrong with that article. Pretty much sums up Snyders tenure here. he is a sucky owner. No bones about it.

[ttr77]

I don't even bother paying attention to the media. Like Mr Snyder, I've just decided to turn the other cheek.

Dan? Is that you? Just wondering because you seem to follow your own rule of referring to yourself as 'Mr. Snyder'.


JC's developed into a fine young player and a leader of this team.

Mr Snyder has developed into a fine owner and leader of the franchise.

The jury is still very much out on both of these conclusions.

[FrFan]

Then he blames Snyder for the signing of Adam Archuletta (Greg Williams brought Archuletta aboard) and for trading for Brandon Lloyd. Joe Gibbs has to take the blame for the ultimate decision to trade for Lloyd, not Snyder. Snyder doesn't watch game film and evaluate players.

"Director of football administration Eric Schaffer handles the bulk of negotiations although, unlike most other NFL owners, Snyder interacts with agents directly at key moments of the process."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/31/AR2006123101079.html

[jimster]

I understand what you are saying..but just because Snyder 'said so' does not make it any more true in my eyes. If everyone else DID turn him down, what should he say? "No one else would take the job, but thankfully Jim did".

I'm not saying that this is the case, but one who says it is NOT the case is no more correct than someone that says it is. It's all speculation, but hearing Snyder tell me anything about the process is similar to hearing Bush tell me about the process for going to war. I get a distant look in my eyes and wonder exactly why it is that I should believe them.

It's more believable to me when I hear something from the horses mouth and all evidence backs up what they say, as opposed to when a blog writer who's wrong more than right or a "journalist" that lives in another city writes things that clearly have incorrect statements in them that they pass off as facts.

[ttr77]

It's more believable to me when I hear something from the horses mouth and all evidence backs up what they say, as opposed to when a blog writer who's wrong more than right or a "journalist" that lives in another city writes things that clearly have incorrect statements in them that they pass off as facts.

Not me. Snyder is the one that has looked the worst in this process, so he has the most to gain by spinning this into a positive. What do the dozens of writers that constantly write bad things about this organization gain by doing so?

[jimster]

"Director of football administration Eric Schaffer handles the bulk of negotiations although, unlike most other NFL owners, Snyder interacts with agents directly at key moments of the process."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/31/AR2006123101079.html


you must work for the media, because you're taking things out of context. ;)


The Redskins use a unique front-office structure with a scouting arm led by vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato and his staff evaluating players, Gibbs and the coaches grading the scouted players and Snyder determining the budget. Director of football administration Eric Schaffer handles the bulk of negotiations

this part of the statement would imply that Gibbs and the coaches decided on the players they wanted. Wilbon recenlty spoke about how it was Saunders that wanted Lloyd and Williams that wanted Archuleta, but Vinny wanted Jurivicous and Ryan Clark. - maybe Vinny isn't as stupid as people think. :whoknows:

[skinstzar]

You wann know why I don't believe Snyder? Because he is a spinster. Check the two pieces below.

A.) ASHBURN, VA - The Washington Redskins today named Vinny Cerrato to the new position of Executive Vice President/Football Operations. He will assume responsibility for all aspects of the team's football organization - including personnel, the team roster, scouting and salary cap management.

B.) On the radio today he said the coach has complete control of the roster and we will give him whatever he needs.


These two items contradict each other. A is a press release from the day Vinny Cerrato was hired. B is words from Dan Snyder's mouth on the radio this morning


So which is it? There are millions of spins like this from this owner who has no problem spouting out lies that end up only hurting the fans. It is bull****. This whole thing is bull**** and now this organization is bull****.

[Mark The Homer]

Might as well get used to it because we'll see more of the same. And when Zorn ends up with the losing season that odds say he'll have, Sally and her cohorts will be coming out with negative pieces left and right.

Unfortunately I think it'll take a few years to see a winning season.

[KingGibbs]

Damn Mark. You're usually one of the more optimistic ones around here.

[jimster]

What do the dozens of writers that constantly write bad things about this organization gain by doing so?

it gets people to read their stuff. When they discover someone people "love to hate" they keep feeding it. It's the same reason tabloids sell so well.

I don't understand why Snyder has looked the worst in the process. On Jaunuary 8th, at Gibbs retirement PC, he said "we are going to take our time and be thorough". - that's exactly what happened. People act like it took so long because he couldn't find anyone to take the job, yet he said a month ago we are going to take our time. He interviewed ten canidates, some multiple times. The only ones who took their names out, had legitimate reasons for doing so - Carroll, the best job in college; Mora, knew he was getting Seattle's gig in his hometown; Spags, sounded like he didn't want to be a head coach right now.

[ttr77]

it gets people to read their stuff. When they discover someone people "love to hate" they keep feeding it. It's the same reason tabloids sell so well.

I'd buy this if it was only one or two writers, or one or two publications. But this is universal. No other team gets the kind of bad press that the Redskins do. I can't believe that Snyder is the only person in the league that people 'love to hate'.


I don't understand why Snyder has looked the worst in the process. Whether we understand the reasoning or not, it's true. Read any sports page. He is constantly dragged through the mud. So he has every reason to put a positive spin on this ordeal.

[jbooma]

This was already posted :) use the search feature.

As for Danny getting ripped in the media think of this way, this is his 6th coach in less then 10 years. What do you expect???

That is all on Danny.


The only coach he has had that had a winning record is Norv, and guess what happend to him.

If Zorn lasts 3 or less years, then he failed again.

[meast4eva]

Dan? Is that you? Just wondering because you seem to follow your own rule of referring to yourself as 'Mr. Snyder'.

He's our owner and I like to show people the proper respect that comes with their positions. I also refer to all of our coaches as Coach so and so. What's wrong with showing some respect? Especially to people who deserve it.

[jimster]

Whether we understand the reasoning or not, it's true. Read any sports page. He is constantly dragged through the mud. So he has every reason to put a positive spin on this ordeal.

I thought you were specifically talking about the coach search. - He said the day Gibbs retired it would take a while and it did, but many spin it to make Snyder look as bad as possible.

[KingGibbs]

I'd buy this if it was only one or two writers, or one or two publications. But this is universal. No other team gets the kind of bad press that the Redskins do. I can't believe that Snyder is the only person in the league that people 'love to hate'.

Whether we understand the reasoning or not, it's true. Read any sports page. He is constantly dragged through the mud. So he has every reason to put a positive spin on this ordeal.

You nailed it. Like you said, if it were just a few writers then maybe the criticism could be questioned, but when you have every media outlet questioning Snyder's moves the criticism can be justified.

The same people "pissed' at the media for criticising Snyder don't seem to have a problem when a positive article is written. Beggars can't be choosers.

[KingGibbs]

He's our owner and I like to show people the proper respect that comes with their positions. I also refer to all of our coaches as Coach so and so. What's wrong with showing some respect? Especially to people who deserve it.

I'm sure Dan read this and is now in the process of sending you complimentary season tickets with airfare.

[inmate running the asylum]

You wann know why I don't believe Snyder? Because he is a spinster. Check the two pieces below.

A.) ASHBURN, VA - The Washington Redskins today named Vinny Cerrato to the new position of Executive Vice President/Football Operations. He will assume responsibility for all aspects of the team's football organization - including personnel, the team roster, scouting and salary cap management.

B.) On the radio today he said the coach has complete control of the roster and we will give him whatever he needs.


These two items contradict each other. A is a press release from the day Vinny Cerrato was hired. B is words from Dan Snyder's mouth on the radio this morning


Its not contradictory. When Beathard and Gibbs worked together, Gibbs told Beathard what he needed and Beathard brought those players in. But Gibbs, not Beathard had final say on which players made the final roster and who was cut.

Its the same now. Zorn will tell Vinny what he needs and Vinny will attempt to get those players via free agency, trade, draft or whatever. Zorn recently mentioned the Skins need a tall wide receiver for his schemes. But it is Zorn as the head coach who will decide who makes the team or is cut. Zorn has final say on the ROSTER.

[Forever21]

Thanks Inmate.

Personally I think there is, as always, a middle ground that many people refuse to settle into. Snyder is not nearly as bad as the blood thirsty Snyder haters want to believe, nor is he a genius owner as a small group of people believe.

He's somewhere in the middle. This article to me is a writer who hasn't done his research, has an opinion on Snyder, and is sticking to his guns no matter what. I don't know if he lies as much as he uses hyberbole and skews things in whatever manner he sees fit.

[SkinsLover]

sick and tired of the media as well. As I click into the Redskins Breaking News section...I see at least 10 negative articles written by the press...And they b*tch and moan about the fans? I am tired of reading all this crap, and I refuse to click thru to any of the negative ones. Snyder...damned if he does, damned if he doesnt.
For the most part, it seems to me that most of us Skins fan either support, or are on the fence regarding Zorn..more so than negative reactions.

[inmate running the asylum]

I'd buy this if it was only one or two writers, or one or two publications. But this is universal. No other team gets the kind of bad press that the Redskins do. I can't believe that Snyder is the only person in the league that people 'love to hate'.

Whether we understand the reasoning or not, it's true.


If you ever get around to reading Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" (which I did) you may learn something. Hitler said in his book before WWII that if you tell a lie often enough, eventually most people will come to believe it. What he was referring to were the lies the Nazi media and press would keep spouting about the Jews. And of course, most of the German people did eventually believe his lies about the Jews.

[Destino]

Well, I will start with a direct quote from the writer:So he admits right off the bat that this article is nothing more than a rip job.
Still waiting to see the lies pointed out. The article definately aims to slam something but I'm not one of those that think truth and balance are one in the same. Somethings deserve slamming.



We found Cooley in the 3rd. Cooley is a good example of what I see as paying too much. How many picks did we use to get Chris Cooley - saying we found him in the third isn't the whole story is it? It's not enough to find good players, you have to find them at the right price and this team always has to give up more to get anything. We have to trade up, or pay too much, or trade too many picks.



Snyder pays, and players all know this. But he has gotten better about paying equally. ARE was a good signing. He is way more involved than he ever was in PIT.Snyder-hate, nothing more. No substance to this quote. You think, therefore it is.
ARE is more involved but his numbers aren't that different.

2004 PIT 43rec 601yards 14.0avg 3TD
2005 PIT 35rec 558yards 15.9avg 1TD
2006 WAS 32rec 351yards 11.0avg 3TD
2007 WAS 51rec 728yards 14.3avg 1TD

We gave him a bigger role than he had in PIT and he has produced about the same results.

[FrFan]

you must work for the media, because you're taking things out of context. ;)



this part of the statement would imply that Gibbs and the coaches decided on the players they wanted. Wilbon recenlty spoke about how it was Saunders that wanted Lloyd and Williams that wanted Archuleta, but Vinny wanted Jurivicous and Ryan Clark. - maybe Vinny isn't as stupid as people think. :whoknows:

;) I just think Snyder can't keep his hands off of the coaches and players selections one way or another, Cerrato being his yes man.
"Paging Adam Archuleta. Paging Antwaan Randle El. Paging Brandon Lloyd." Link (http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10631354)
I just hope after a decade of failure that we will finally see the light at the end of the tunnel, and then keep on going forward.
I'm not a football expert but I just have big doubts about it specially when I see him making the same mistakes year in year out.

[KingGibbs]

sick and tired of the media as well. As I click into the Redskins Breaking News section...I see at least 10 negative articles written by the press...And they b*tch and moan about the fans? I am tired of reading all this crap, and I refuse to click thru to any of the negative ones. Snyder...damned if he does, damned if he doesnt.
For the most part, it seems to me that most of us Skins fan either support, or are on the fence regarding Zorn..more so than negative reactions.

You be quiet Susan. Nobody asked you. :D

[Veretax]

You wann know why I don't believe Snyder? Because he is a spinster. Check the two pieces below.

A.) ASHBURN, VA - The Washington Redskins today named Vinny Cerrato to the new position of Executive Vice President/Football Operations. He will assume responsibility for all aspects of the team's football organization - including personnel, the team roster, scouting and salary cap management.

B.) On the radio today he said the coach has complete control of the roster and we will give him whatever he needs.


These two items contradict each other. A is a press release from the day Vinny Cerrato was hired. B is words from Dan Snyder's mouth on the radio this morning


So which is it? There are millions of spins like this from this owner who has no problem spouting out lies that end up only hurting the fans. It is bull****. This whole thing is bull**** and now this organization is bull****.


Both are true.

Zorn will have final say over any player brought in, and Vinny will likely be the one gathering the possible player leads, and presenting them to Zorn. You guys act like this isn't how its done in other organizations. That makes me laugh hardily. Zorn is new at this too, so he will need Vinny's help in the beginning for sure.

[KingGibbs]

If you ever get around to reading Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" (which I did) you may learn something. Hitler said in his book before WWII that if you tell a lie often enough, eventually most people will come to believe it. What he was referring to were the lies the Nazi media and press would keep spouting about the Jews. And of course, most of the German people did eventually believe his lies about the Jews.

Okay Inmate. I think maybe you're giving Snyder a little too much credit by putting him in the history books with the likes of Hitler.

[IF28LuvsDanILuvDan]

And the Bitchell bashing begins only two minutes into the first segment on the JT Show....this guy is unbelievable....

[KingGibbs]

And the Bitchell bashing begins only two minutes into the first segment on the JT Show....this guy is unbelievable....

Do tell.

[IF28LuvsDanILuvDan]

Do tell.

Too much to recap. The Bitchell and Koken spin is that

1. keeping the terminology in the running attack and working in teh WCO won't work and its a dumb idea....

2. In a nutshell, Bitchell is pissed that we chose Zorn and made it seem like he was the first choice

3. why do you need to talk to people for 28 hours

4. the reason we picked zorn is because everybody we wanted dropped out, i.e. spags, mora jr.

5. bitchell disagrees with D Green's assesment of the process (surprise because D Green was in favor of Snyders approach)

TOO MUCH BS for me to post more

Bottom line is that Bitchell is back at it, one day in, one segment in. I swear i dont believe i can go the whole offseason listening to him, i need a new local to listen to from 1-4.

[SkinsLover]

You be quiet Susan. Nobody asked you. :D

:silly: to you too!
( hope you are planning on gracing us with an appearance at the tailgate this year! )

[KingGibbs]

:silly: to you too!
( hope you are planning on gracing us with an appearance at the tailgate this year! )

Only if you bring your friend.

I keed, I keed. :D

[inmate running the asylum]

As for Danny getting ripped in the media think of this way, this is his 6th coach in less then 10 years. What do you expect???

That is all on Danny.

The only coach he has had that had a winning record is Norv, and guess what happend to him.

If Zorn lasts 3 or less years, then he failed again.

This thread has now been officially adulterated by Jbooma. :) Sorry, I forgot. You and Bubba prefer your favorite color, gangreene. :laugh:

[KingGibbs]

You know what I find funny about all of this? The people that hate the media are always the first to say "Great article" when it's a positive write up. :laugh:

[Thoth]

You can dissect the minutae of the comments all you want, but the truth is still the truth. As an owner trying to field a winning team, Snyder is an abject failure, and our franchise is once again a joke. Only performance on the field will change the validity of these kinds of criticisms.

[voicekiller]

I agree 100% to the OP...but this is going to perpetuate until Dan, Vinny and Zorn show success...it sucks that people are going to judge this until they see what the outcome is but in the world everyone is guilty until proven innocent...but with this new direction they are going in they have my support 100% and i like the way this franchise is going...for once they seem to be going in the right direction

[ttr77]

He's our owner and I like to show people the proper respect that comes with their positions. I also refer to all of our coaches as Coach so and so. What's wrong with showing some respect? Especially to people who deserve it.

He's not my owner. And having money does not make someone deserving of respect. Treating people with respect makes you deserving to be treated in kind. Apparenly Danny has not yet learned how to do so. When he does, I'll refer to him as Mr. Snyder.

Until then, HI DANNY!

[ttr77]

If you ever get around to reading Hitler's book "Mein Kampf" (which I did) you may learn something. Hitler said in his book before WWII that if you tell a lie often enough, eventually most people will come to believe it. What he was referring to were the lies the Nazi media and press would keep spouting about the Jews. And of course, most of the German people did eventually believe his lies about the Jews.

I'm not sure of the correlation here. Is someone that believes the negative media side of the story somehow worse then one that believes the positive side the team puts out? Both sides are telling their story. Whichever one someone chooses to believe is their own decision.

Using an unbiased eye to look at the history under this ownership, one would have to look at the more negative side as more truthful. Looking hopefully into the future and saying that Dan learned from his mistakes and chose the right man is fine, but it is what it is. Hope.

Only time will tell. But if I were in Vegas right now and had to make a bet, I'd bet that this will end badly too.

[Thoth]

These unfair and untruthful articles which perpetuate lies about Dan Snyder really piss me off as a die-hard Redskins fan.

I'M NOT BEHIND THE SCENES AS AN INSIDER, NEITHER ARE YOU. THEY COULD BE TRUE.


The media is already criticizing Snyder on day 1 of Jim Zorn’s hiring, in spite of the fact that Joe Gibbs has had nothing but good things to say about Snyder for the past 4 years! According to Gibbs, Snyder has not
meddled and has always provided him with whatever he thought the team needed. I don’t blame Snyder for not giving interviews to the media.

GIBBS IS TOO CLASSY TO EVER AIR HIS LAUNDRY IN PUBLIC. BEING GIBBS, HE WAS ALSO SPARED THE SCHENANIGANS OTHER COACHES HAVE ENDURED. I COULD CARE LESS WHAT GIBBS OR SNYDER SAY, WHAT COUNTS IS WINS AND CHAMPIONSHIPS, AND BOTH HAVE BEEN IN SHORT SUPPLY 'ROUND THESE PARTS UNDER SNYDER.


In one paragraph above he criticizes Snyder for taking a month to decide on a coach, and then in the paragraph below that, he calls Snyder a “knee-jerk, react owner!” Which is it, jerkoff?

HE TOOK A MONTH, AND THEN SEEMED TO WRAP UP THE SEARCH IN KNEE-JERK FASHION. THIS MAY NOT BE TRUE, BUT IS NOT SOME CONTRADICTION, MERELY AN ACCURATE DESCRIPTION OF WHAT SEEMED TO HAPPEN.

Then he blames Snyder for the signing of Adam Archuletta (Greg Williams brought Archuletta aboard) and for trading for Brandon Lloyd. Joe Gibbs has to take the blame for the ultimate decision to trade for Lloyd, not Snyder. Snyder doesn't watch game film and evaluate players.

THE OWNER HAS ULTIMATE RESPONISIBILITY FOR THE ACTIONS OF THOSE UNDER HIM. THE LIST OF HIGH PAID FREE AGENT BUSTS, AND POOR TRADES IN WHICH WE GAVE UP TOO MUCH PICK-WISE FOR A PLAYER, IS LONG, AND THESE BLUNDERS HAVE OCCURED CONSISTENTLY SINCE SNYDER BOUGHT THE TEAM. THEY ARE ONE OF THE TRADEMARKS OF OUR FRANCHISE UNDER SNYDER. TO REFUTE THIS OBVIOUS REALITY REALLY MURDERS YOUR CREDIBILITY. THE POINT ISN'T A SPECIFIC PLAYER, BUT THE MENTALITY THAT HIGH PRICED FAs WITH MAJOR QUESTION MARKS AND DUBIOUS TRACK RECORDS ARE THE WAY TO BUILD A FRANCHISE. NO CHAMPIONSHIP FRANCHISE IN THE SALARY CAP ERA HAS SUCCESSFULLY EMPLOYED THIS METHODOLOGY.

Then Prisco say “instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs, he’s way too involved. Well I suppose when you hire Joe Gibbs and have the highest paid coaching staff in football history, that's not letting football people do their jobs and that didn’t count! :doh:

IN THE END, WHAT DID ALL THAT SPENDING OBTAIN? A SINGLE PLAYOFF VICTORY, AND TWO YEARS IN WHICH WE LIMPED INTO THE PLAYOFFS AS THE #6 SEED. IT WOULD NEVER BE SAID PUBLICLY, BUT GIBBS TENURE WAS A HUGE DISSAPOINTMENT. GIBBS IS ALSO AN EXCEPTION. AND NO OTHER OWNER IN FOOTBALL WOULD GIVE CERRATO CONTROL OF OPERATIONS. HIS REPUTATION IS LOW WITH KNOWLEDGABLE FOOTBALL INSIDERS BECAUSE HE IS NOT THAT TALENTED. EXHIBIT A, HIS DRAFT RECORD WITH THE SKINS SANS GIBBS.

You’re right-on there, Prisco, its just your theory.

AND THESE RESPONSES ARE JUST YOUR THEORIES. YOU AREN'T IN THE ROOM WITH SNYDER, DON'T HAVE INFO FROM PRIMARY SOURCES. BARRING THIS INFO, ALL WE CAN DO IS STICK TO KNOWN FACTS, DRAFT RECORDS, ON-FIELD RECORDS, FREE AGENT SUCCESSES, SALARY CAP SITUATIONS, ETC. HARD DATA. IT IS BY THESE INARGUABLE FACTS THAT WE MUST JUDGE THE FRANCHISE, AND BY THESE STANDARDS OUR TEAM IS FAILING MISERABLY.

Its true Zorn has never been a head coach or even a coordinator. But I don’t see the media criticizing the Baltimore Ravens owner or Ozzie Newsome for just hiring John Harbaugh as head coach, who has also never been a coordinator or head coach. And what about Andy Reid, who was hired by the Eagles and has done quite well in his career? No mention of either by the moronic Prisco.

THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT SNYDER HAS NEVER REALLY PICKED A COACH THAT SUCEEDED, NOT EVEN GIBBS. ZORN MAY WORK OUT, BUT NO ONE WHO HAS FAILED CONSISTENTLY GETS AN IMMEDIATE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT.

If I recall correctly, Jim Zorn addressed Dan Snyder as “Dan” during his press conference and not “Mr. Snyder.”

SNYDER'S PROPENSITY TO BE AN A-HOLE IN THIS REGARD IS WELL DOCUMENTED. OF COURSE HE ISN'T GOING TO ACT LIKE THIS WHEN WOOING A CANDIDATE. BUT HIS MONARCHIAL AIRS ARE WELL DOCUMENTED.

Nothing but fabricated lies about Dan Snyder that some other anti-Redskin idiots that reside on this board will try to spin as the truth.

I DON'T LIKE THE TONE OF THE ARTICLE, BUT MOST OF ITS IMPORTANT CLAIMS ARE CORRECT.

Dan Snyder has admitted to making some football mistakes in the past.

CALLING SNYDER'S DEBACLES "SOME FOOTBALL MISTAKES" IS AS DISHONEST AS SOME OF PRISCO'S EXAGERATIONS. HE HAS RUN THIS FRANCHISE INTO THE GROUND. WE ARE THE ONLY TEAM STILL HUGELY OVER THE CAP EVERY YEAR, FOR EXAMPLE.

But Joe Gibbs has had nothing but good things to say about Dan, and Snyder is also a man that has given thousands of dollars to charity and good causes, and deserves to be treated with a little decency.

SNYDER DOES NOT ALWAYS TREAT OTHERS WITH DECENCY, AND THIS IS A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE SUCCESS OF THIS FRANCHISE MEASURED ON THE FIELD.
GIBBS COULD CALL SNYDER THE DEVIL, OR GOD, WHO CARES? IT IS ON FIELD PERFORMANCE THAT CONCERNS ME.

The misleading title alone for this article was enough to piss me off, let alone the lies it contained.

THE ONE INARGUABLE TRUTH IS OUR RECORD AND LACK OF PLAYOFF RUNS SINCE SNYDER BOUGHT THE TEAM. EVERYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT SNIVELLING. AS OWNER, SNYDER HAS FINAL ACCOUNTABILITY, AND HAS FAILED IN THE MOST BOTTOM LINE, NON-SUBJECTIVE MEASURE OF SUCCESS.

[illone]

Inmate,

This is the way of the world, man.

Look at the Pats, they cheated and it got swept under the carpet because their undefeated season was more important than the truth.

As soon as the Skins start winning, the media will start exaggerating things in their favor.

[inmate running the asylum]

“Snyder's free agency and trade scoreboard is littered with failure. Paging Adam Archuleta. Paging Antwaan Randle El. Paging Brandon Lloyd.”

Lies? You can’t see lies? Snyder didn’t decide to go out and get Archuletta, Randle El and Lloyd. We don’t know exactly where Vinny stood on the issue, but Joe Gibbs and Gregg Williams had the final say on these failed acquisitions. So it’s a lie to imply or infer that Snyder was responsible for this.


Instead of hiring quality football people and letting them do their jobs…..”

An obvious lie. Snyder hired Gibbs and also had the highest paid coaching staff IN THE HISTORY OF FOOTBALL. According to Gibbs, Snyder has not meddled with him in four years.

Just some of the lies in the article, besides snide remarks and innuendos. If some of you guys can’t see the lies, you need to sign up and take a course in Remedial Reading 101.

[inmate running the asylum]

Quote by Thoth
THE ONE INARGUABLE TRUTH IS OUR RECORD AND LACK OF PLAYOFF RUNS SINCE SNYDER BOUGHT THE TEAM. EVERYTHING ELSE IS IRRELEVANT SNIVELLING. AS OWNER, SNYDER HAS FINAL ACCOUNTABILITY, AND HAS FAILED IN THE MOST BOTTOM LINE, NON-SUBJECTIVE MEASURE OF SUCCESS.


Snyder's teams have had three playoff appearances in 9 years. No one is claiming we have had great success under Snyder, but he has tried hard and spent a lot of money trying.

You're missing the point. If Prisco had written about this, that would have been truthful.

My issue is with this particular article and the inherent lies and the lack of professionalism in the article, by a so-called professional writer who didn't do his research or homework.

By the way, Thoth, you don't have to recopy the entire thread, when you want to make a quote. :)

[Gerald362]

That is not as mutually exclusive as you might think. Someone has to be in control of the pursestrings, and that is Cerrato. It is his responsibility to be the one to answer to the Dan. Every coach, if given the opportunity, to hire every big name available. It is up to Cerrato to say "we cant afford him" or "we can only pay this much". In that respect, Executive VP/Football Ops controls the roster. It doesnt say that he will be the one setting the roster, just taking the responsibility to the business of the costs. The coach will choose who will ultimately be ON the roster from the players that the TEAM can afford. Liken it to the CFO of a corporation being the one who has to tell the CEO "we cant afford to buy out that other company now".


You wann know why I don't believe Snyder? Because he is a spinster. Check the two pieces below.

A.) ASHBURN, VA - The Washington Redskins today named Vinny Cerrato to the new position of Executive Vice President/Football Operations. He will assume responsibility for all aspects of the team's football organization - including personnel, the team roster, scouting and salary cap management.

B.) On the radio today he said the coach has complete control of the roster and we will give him whatever he needs.


These two items contradict each other. A is a press release from the day Vinny Cerrato was hired. B is words from Dan Snyder's mouth on the radio this morning


So which is it? There are millions of spins like this from this owner who has no problem spouting out lies that end up only hurting the fans. It is bull****. This whole thing is bull**** and now this organization is bull****.