Winning ... at any cost? Does it matter to you HOW a team wins?

[preachtheWORD]

It is very important that we have a coach that will lead us to victories. In the NFL, winning is VERY important, but it is not the only important thing.


I realize that I may be alone in this conviction, but to me, simply winning is not the only thing that matters - it also matters how you win. There is a place in the NFL for class, sportsmanship, and fair play. I want to win ... but if it requires bending (or breaking) rules, bad sportsmanship, or anything shady, the sweet taste of victory is not nearly so sweet.

I want the Redskins to win ... I want them to win more than I can say. Like many other Skins fans, I have endured no end of hazing from friends and family for sticking with the Skins through thick and thin.

Even so, it matters to me how we win. I want us to win with class, sportsmanship, teamwork, integrity, and fair play. If we win like that, the sweet taste of victory becomes all the sweeter.

I realize that many of you will say we should win at all costs ... even if it means sidstepping rules, playing dirty, selling our soul to the Devil, or overthrowing the government of a Central American nation. But that just isn't me. I want us to win - I BADLY WANT US TO WIN.
You have no idea how badly I want to taunt and mock my Cowboy-fan brother, and pay him back for years of rubbing the 'boys in my face.
Yet, I want us to win because we are the best, and made the plays, not because we played the system or played dirty.

I want to know what you think. Does it matter to you how we win? Do you think we should do whatever it takes, even it means "bending" the rules, or being underhanded or *gasp* taping our opponent's signals?

OR, Is important to you that we win with class and integrity?

Have your say.

~ptW

[Warhead36]

As long as we don't cheat I don't care how we win.

Run up the score all you want. This is pro sports. No place for wimps.

[Backpack3r]

As long as we win

But in 05 our offense sucked, seemed to rely a lot on our defense to win that year, that **** aint gonna cut it in hte NFL

[preachtheWORD]

I agree that pro sports is not for wimps. This is not little league, and an NFL team shouldn't have to pull punches.



But still, there is a place for good sportsmanship. Let's win, and win big, but what's the point of humiliating an opponent? Maybe I'm alone on this, but I felt like crap when the Patriots smeared us this year. I was VERY angry over their running up the score. It was nothing but showing off. A classy coach would not have done that. I would not wish that feeling on anybody - with the exception being if we were to crush Dallas.

Let's win, but let's do it with class.

[preachtheWORD]

As long as we win

So ... winning is the main thing, and the possibility of winning with class would just be a bonus? (no sarcasm intended, whatsoever)

I can definitely see where you are coming from. It's sad but true that if you can't pull off a winning season, nobody will care about how much class or sportsmanship you have.

Let's hope we can have both wins and class in 08.

[Jimbo]

Most won't agree with me but dirty on the field, when in retaliation (like eye for an eye or when someone is running up the score), is acceptable because football has always been like that. Dirty off the field is not acceptable.

[skinthemboys]

I agree that pro sports is not for wimps. This is not little league, and an NFL team shouldn't have to pull punches.



But still, there is a place for good sportsmanship. Let's win, and win big, but what's the point of humiliating an opponent? Maybe I'm alone on this, but I felt like crap when the Patriots smeared us this year. I was VERY angry over their running up the score. It was nothing but showing off. A classy coach would not have done that. I would not wish that feeling on anybody - with the exception being if we were to crush Dallas.

Let's win, but let's do it with class.

I agree with ya. There is something to be said for sportsmanship, and the patriots seemed to openly display the opposite this season. Of course their big heads and huge egos all came crashing down. I certainly wouldn't want the skins bending or breaking the rules. Win with class.

[Gibbs=TheBestEver]

It matters very much how we win. That's what sets us apart from the pats. It's what sports are all about. Whenever people try to justify the amount of money and time we put into sports, they always talk about the important lessons sports teach us: they teach us about adversity, they teach us dedication, how to work hard, how to be humble, how to lose gracefully because we will all lose at some point in our lives. Watching and playing sports teach us all these things and more. Coach Gibbs understood that, he learned the important lessons that football has to teach, obviously Belichick did not learn those lessons. The redskins have always been a class act, and it's important that we remain a class act. Its things like watching Todd Collins sit patiently and humbly on the bench for years without complaining before comining in in the middle of a game to lead his team to the playoffs that inspires fans and makes us watch. It's watching guys like Rock and JC and Ladell and Rocky work their tails off in practice and in games that makes us proud to be Redskins no matter what the outcome is. It's seeing that look CP gets in his eyes during playoff time when you know he's going to "give you what he's got" for the entire game, even though he's injured and beat up by a long season. Sure we want to win every game, but we don't want to sell out to do it. Who wants to a team win by cheating? A team with no class? A team with a bunch of selfish players?

[preachtheWORD]

Of course their big heads and huge egos all came crashing down.

Man, was it not sweet when the Patriots went down to the Giants!

I don't know how everyone else felt, but in this "David and Goliath" battle, it was quite vindicating to see Goliath (the Pats) bite the dust!

[DesertWrestler]

Tough line to draw. Of course I want to win. I want to win so badly it hurts. If we have to cheat to win then count me out. That isn't winning. Winning in the right way with dignity and simply by forcing your will on others is the way I like to go about things.

[preachtheWORD]

The redskins have always been a class act, and it's important that we remain a class act.

It is my hope that the Redskins will always be a class act. I will support the Skins through even the worst season if they keep their integrity intact.

[Shilsu]

If you mean winning like the Patriots, nope, I definitely don't want the Redskins to go that route. And I rather they do it in a classy way (not running up the score). And by running up the score, I mean going for it on 4th and 1 in the last minute of regulation when you're up by 20.

[InsaneBoost]

As long as we don't cheat and do is classy (not running points up) that's what matters to me.

[DirtySkin21]

I can't wait to see us win the superbowl again, I think it will feel like winning the lottery... It would be so surreal, I can only imagine.. I was only 7-8 the last time I saw them win the superbowl, but hey.. their still my squad

[DirtySkin21]

I dont mind running up the score, IN the NFL the team can always come back and then shut you down from scoring.

You cant assume the score is safe because what if it's 28-7 and it's the 3rd quarter. say the team only scores another field goal on you in the 3rd quarter and then in the 4th quarter your offense gets shut down and they end up scoring 3 TD's in the 4th to win.

This is the NFL, if you can't stop the other team then thats your fault, they are the ones getting paid the big money to make stops. ( it shouldnt be given to them)

[Special K]

Honesty, integrity, and good character is very important to me, so extending that to our team's onfield play is also important. I want to win, but I don't want to have to videotape other teams and run up the score to do so...

[DirtySkin21]

blah, whatever.. we dont know what its like to consistantly win so why does it matter anyway.. just like the rules arent consistant to everyone on this board and certain people get picked on ALOT more than others.

I guess if you have the redskins name on it means it wont be consistant

[Special K]

blah, whatever.. we dont know what its like to consistantly win so why does it matter anyway.. just like the rules arent consistant to everyone on this board and certain people get picked on ALOT more than others.

I guess if you have the redskins name on it means it wont be consistant

Yikes! huh?

[DirtySkin21]

i take that back.. I deserve it and I dont know anything.......why should I be allowed to voice my objective opinion? i mean lord, I dont think I should because if everyone doesnt agree with me and I dont agree with everyone else then that's a no no.

I apologize.

[Special K]

i take that back.. I deserve it and I dont know anything.......why should I be allowed to voice my objective opinion? i mean lord, I dont think I should because if everyone doesnt agree with me and I dont agree with everyone else then that's a no no.

I apologize.

:doh: I wasn't picking on you, in fact, I didn't even see your post before I made my first post...I was responding to the OP's original question.

Sorry if you feel you're unfairly "picked" on on this message board by mods or members or whomever...but picking on you certainly was never my intention.

[turbodiesel#44]

A win without integrity and fairness isn't really a win, IMO. When you win above board, it is far more satisfying.

Having said that, I wonder when the reality of steroid use in the NFL is going to hit the fan?

[CounterTrey75]

I don't know where this is coming from but integrity is a must for most teams except for the pats. Bending league rules such as spygate is wrong. As far as bending gametime rules, teams get penalized by the refs, unless you're the colts...so it's hard to cheat. I'm not aware of any other rules that can be bent outside of that. Did you see something last year that lead you to believe teams other than the pats were classless or is this just a general question?

[DirtySkin21]

:doh: I wasn't picking on you, in fact, I didn't even see your post before I made my first post...I was responding to the OP's original question.

Sorry if you feel you're unfairly "picked" on on this message board by mods or members or whomever...but picking on you certainly was never my intention.

im sorry if i made you think I was talkin about you.

haha you are a good person though, thanks.

but i really didnt think you were picking on me.:cheers:

[Cpt.Chaos47]

I agree that pro sports is not for wimps. This is not little league, and an NFL team shouldn't have to pull punches.



But still, there is a place for good sportsmanship. Let's win, and win big, but what's the point of humiliating an opponent? Maybe I'm alone on this, but I felt like crap when the Patriots smeared us this year. I was VERY angry over their running up the score. It was nothing but showing off. A classy coach would not have done that. I would not wish that feeling on anybody - with the exception being if we were to crush Dallas.

Let's win, but let's do it with class.

I agree with you. I didn't mind that they kept scoring points. What really bothered me was them going for it on 4th down when the game was clearly out of our reach. That was the only time I have ever wished serious injury on a player. Tom Brady's knee going 90 degrees in the wrong direction at the time would have put a smile on my face. I would have felt bad about it later though. Bill Belichick is one of the most classless coaches I've ever seen.

[Special K]

im sorry if i made you think I was talkin about you.

haha you are a good person though, thanks.
but i really didnt think you were picking on me.:cheers:

Oh good b/c I was just like WTF? Where is he getting this from? :laugh: :cheers:

[santana_4_prez]

If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'...as long as we don't get caught


(okay, just kidding)

[Siven]

As long as we don't cheat and do is classy (not running points up) that's what matters to me.

even when we scored 52 on the 49ers a while back, that was all first or 2nd quarter scoring I believe. I think Gibbs reeled everything in after that.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

dont care how we win. cheating is stupid and wrong, but as long as were not cheating, i dont care how we win. class means nothing if youre winning.