Vinny Cerrato actually sounding quite sound...

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

http://www.examiner.com/a-1228458~Redskins_won_t_pursue_big_fish.html


“I don’t see us being real active,” Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said. “We have a lot of guys under contract and people are signing their own free agents quite a bit. You have to overpay for anyone out there and there aren’t a lot of guys out there.”

Could just be a ploy... you think?

[Califan007]

http://www.examiner.com/a-1228458~Redskins_won_t_pursue_big_fish.html


“I don’t see us being real active,” Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said. “We have a lot of guys under contract and people are signing their own free agents quite a bit. You have to overpay for anyone out there and there aren’t a lot of guys out there.”

Could just be a ploy... you think?
Maybe with more responsibility he's become more responsible?

[Hiro]

Gasp! Vinny might actully be somewhat competant?!:excited:

[Siven]

I think Vinny gets way way way too much crap from everyone on here. He wouldn't have been with Notre Dame in 89 or the 49ers for so long by being a complete moron.

[Aston]

Maybe with more responsibility he's become more responsible?Or maybe it's just a positive spin on the fact that we're broke as :pooh:.

[Califan007]

Or maybe it's just a positive spin on the fact that we're broke as :pooh:.
But we're not...we never are. Ever.

[TheLongshot]

He pretty much sees what everyone else should see: there just aren't that many players on the market who can help us, and the few who can are probably going to get stupid money.

Jason

[Stophovr6]

Hahah. How ironic that he is the one saying you have to overpay to get anyone in FA. Do you know why that is Vinny?!? It's because we spend millions of dollars on scrubs like Lloyd. We inflated that market, don't bring it up like it's something that just happened.

[Aireskoi]

Or maybe it's just a positive spin on the fact that we're broke as :pooh:.



No, there is some truth to what he is saying. I have heard it repeatedly on Sirius Radio.

The reason for it is that teams have so much cap space, due to the constant cap increase, that they are able to resign their own guys before they hit FA.

That combined with a generally weak FA pool anyway, and when teams have only 1 guy who would break the bank in FA they can just franchise him. That seems to be the case this year, where in other years more teams would be stuck with 2 or more top players with contracts due.

The few top players who actually hit the market will bank because the market is dry and so many teams will need them.

[ntotoro]

1) We have no money.

2) There's no one out there.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Hahah. How ironic that he is the one saying you have to overpay to get anyone in FA. Do you know why that is Vinny?!? It's because we spend millions of dollars on scrubs like Lloyd. We inflated that market, don't bring it up like it's something that just happened.

So, we have created a monster?

[ttr77]

Next thing you know he'll be complaining about the salaries being given to coaches around the league.

[Bang]

If you really take a look at it, we've really only gone stupid with free agents twice. Every other year we don't do any more or less than anyone else.
It's the reputation after the 2000 shopping spree that feeds the perception.

~Bang

[Aston]

1) We have no money.

2) There's no one out there.Exactly. Both of these are true. And while there may be no one worth getting (at least the elite FAs out there), he would never come out and say, "Gee, it'd be awesome if we could get Asante Samuel! Too bad our cap situation is the way it is. Man, I'm such an idiot!". And that's fine by me.

So far, he's getting it done. Gone from $20 million over to about $6 million over last I heard and there's more to come. But if we were $10 million under going into this offseason, I bet he'd be singing a slightly different tune.

[wilbur58z]

They need to stop trading away draft picks.

That's been the real problem.

[Stophovr6]

So, we have created a monster?

Not Necessarily. Players want to get paid top dollar either way. But we certainly haven't helped the situation. So I wouldn't say we created it, but we have helped mold it. That's my :2cents:.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Not Necessarily. Players want to get paid top dollar either way. But we certainly haven't helped the situation. So I wouldn't say we created it, but we have helped mold it. That's my :2cents:.

That's a good explanation ;)

[Stricknine]

They need to look to add a big receiver...and then draft. Id like Bryant Johnson, DJ Hackett, or Jerry Porter...in that order. Everything else can be addressed in the draft.

[pjfootballer]

1) We have no money.

2) There's no one out there.

:applause: :applause: Post of the Year. I was going to say this.

[thesubmittedone]

If you really take a look at it, we've really only gone stupid with free agents twice. Every other year we don't do any more or less than anyone else.
It's the reputation after the 2000 shopping spree that feeds the perception.

~Bang


Ummm.... Bang?

Does anyone "really take a look" at anything here?

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

If you really take a look at it, we've really only gone stupid with free agents twice. Every other year we don't do any more or less than anyone else.
It's the reputation after the 2000 shopping spree that feeds the perception.

~Bang


i think its just because of how truly bad those moves were. and we constantly have no draft picks because we trade them for garbage players. the team is managed in a dumb fashion and most of that falls down to vinny because hes the face of the front office.

i think since snyder took over we have drafted the least amount of players in football. and thats because we trade all the picks away for players that dont amount to much. couple that with giving away huge contracts to free agents that flop here, it all adds up in the long run.

[Gibbs=TheBestEver]

How many picks do we have next year, assuming we don't trade them all away in the coming days?

I think we have already given away a 4th rounder for Kendall, any others?

[morpheusmeyers]

How many picks do we have next year, assuming we don't trade them all away in the coming days?

I think we have already given away a 4th rounder for Kendall, any others?

I think we're down a 4th in 08 and a 4th in 09.

[BillyKilmer]

Hahah. How ironic that he is the one saying you have to overpay to get anyone in FA. Do you know why that is Vinny?!? It's because we spend millions of dollars on scrubs like Lloyd. We inflated that market, don't bring it up like it's something that just happened.


Lloyd has never been a Free Agent (hopefully he will be soon)

Lord I wish he had been.

Just putting your mis information to bed.

[Stophovr6]

Lloyd has never been a Free Agent (hopefully he will be soon)

Lord I wish he had been.

Just putting your mis information to bed.

Sorry, I got that wrong. And actually I never stated we got him in free agency. Just that we overpayed him and that it drives up cost of players, which includes FA's. So, no need to put anything to bed.

[TheLongshot]

They need to stop trading away draft picks.

That's been the real problem.

No, the problem is making bad trades. A lot of the cornerstones of this team came here through trades. It is when you trade multiple picks for players who don't work out is when things hurt.

Jason

[Bang]

i think its just because of how truly bad those moves were. and we constantly have no draft picks because we trade them for garbage players. the team is managed in a dumb fashion and most of that falls down to vinny because hes the face of the front office.

i think since snyder took over we have drafted the least amount of players in football. and thats because we trade all the picks away for players that dont amount to much. couple that with giving away huge contracts to free agents that flop here, it all adds up in the long run.

well, you'll never catch me saying the ship is run perfectly. i do agree that we have made some stupid moves, but it also seems to me that often the bad overshadows the good. In terms of signings that have been positive for us, there's a lot more of them than failures.
It's just as you say, the failures are spectacular.
See: Archuletta, Adam
And while we do trade away our picks, I am of the thinking that people over-value draft picks. If you trade away an entire draft, obviously that's bad... but if you manage to use them to acquire good young vets as opposed to young unproven rookies, then it's not so bad.
But, as above, we occasionally use them on something spectacularly stupid. See: Llloyd, Brandon.. Morton, Chad.
Other times we use a pick on a guy and it turns out to be a terrific (if somewhat unheralded) move
See: Thomas, Randy (as I recall he was an RFA, right?)

I know some folks think I'm a homer who never faults the organization (see: McD5 :silly: ), the fact is I'm just looking for some balance in how our fans view our team. It's not great, but it's not so bad either.
i actually see people on here posting that they're embarrassed to wear the colors... as a fan who bleeds the B&G, that pains me. Folks act like we're the Raiders, and we're far from it.

~Bang

[rellascout]

i think its just because of how truly bad those moves were. and we constantly have no draft picks because we trade them for garbage players. the team is managed in a dumb fashion and most of that falls down to vinny because hes the face of the front office.

i think since snyder took over we have drafted the least amount of players in football. and thats because we trade all the picks away for players that dont amount to much. couple that with giving away huge contracts to free agents that flop here, it all adds up in the long run.

I have never understood why everyone blames Vinny. The last 4 years I put directly on Gibbs. He was the driving force behind acquiring many of our bust.

Brunell's deal was all him.

Williams loved Archdeluxe and Gibbs along with it.

Gibbs helped bring in Lloyd.

He traded away picks for Campbell.

I am not saying Vinny is great but he does not deserve all the blame. Gibbs played a big part in a lot of those trades and those signings. I think people give Gibbs a pass and Vinny is an easy target.

[Dick Edds]

Or maybe it's just a positive spin on the fact that we're broke as :pooh:.


I think when you peel the outer layer back, that's exactly what it is.

Sometimes i wonder what it would have been like had we not traded those draft picks for Llyod and Duckett ... and given BL and AA such huge signing bonuses before they ever even suited up.

Oh well, let's just get on with it shall we. Get back to work AJ! jk :D

[SearchHorizon]

I think Vinny gets way way way too much crap from everyone on here. He wouldn't have been with Notre Dame in 89 or the 49ers for so long by being a complete moron.

Actions speak louder than words -- let us see if Zorn pans out.

See, picking Zorn would have meant that Vinny is smarter than Gibbs.

I don't think that is the case.

[rellascout]

Actions speak louder than words -- let us see if Zorn pans out.

See, picking Zorn would have meant that Vinny is smarter than Gibbs.

I don't think that is the case.

Again how come Gibbs get a pass. He was the President of the Team running the show for the last 4 years.

[Dick Edds]

If you really take a look at it, we've really only gone stupid with free agents twice. Every other year we don't do any more or less than anyone else.
It's the reputation after the 2000 shopping spree that feeds the perception.

~Bang




i think its just because of how truly bad those moves were. and we constantly have no draft picks because we trade them for garbage players. the team is managed in a dumb fashion and most of that falls down to vinny because hes the face of the front office.

i think since snyder took over we have drafted the least amount of players in football. and thats because we trade all the picks away for players that dont amount to much. couple that with giving away huge contracts to free agents that flop here, it all adds up in the long run.

yeah, I commented about this earlier. It's not that the contract for both AA and Llyod alone killed us, it's the fact that we gave up 2 draft picks for Llyod, 2 draft picks for Duckett and gave AA the highest salary for a safety. Even though it was really only 2 or 3 players that hurt us ... what we gave up for them equals out to 7 players worth (including the two 3rd's and 4th's we gave away).

Those signings and trades were SOOOOO over the top I am really dumbfounded when I look back and think, and realize that Gibbs let that happen. But it shouldn't have been on just him, he had no GM and salary cap experience. He was acting as all coaches would have. I guess that was the problem of having a HOF'er as your coach. Who's going to question his authority?

I'd like to know who really wanted these players.

[wildbill1952]

There comes a time in every man's life when he has to grab the bull by the tail and face the situation.

Who told Vinny and Coach Dan that the Skins aren't their personal fantasy footbal team? Gasp! If we're staying out of free agency, does that mean there's a chance we might draft an OL before the 5th round?

Nah, too much to hope for.

[SearchHorizon]

Again how come Gibbs get a pass. He was the President of the Team running the show for the last 4 years.
Given how this team has performed over his tenure and where this team was headed, I don't think Gibbs II needs to be defended. It is pretty obvious we would have been a real contender in 2008, had we stayed the course.

You are kidding yourself if you think Zorn will do better.

Vinny will again prove his cluelessness.

[rellascout]

Given how this team has performed over his tenure and where this team was headed, I don't think Gibbs II needs to be defended. It is pretty obvious we would have been a real contender in 2008, had we stayed the course.

You are kidding yourself if you think Zorn will do better.

Vinny will again prove his cluelessness.

That is not the point at all. If you look at what people are complaining about when ever they ***** about Vinny and Snyder is that they made these poor moves. That they picked these guys and that prooves they don't know what they are doing.

My question still stands. Where was Gibbs. He hired Saunders and set the Offensive back, he traded picks for Campbell. He brought in Brunell who had one good year but signed him to a 7 year contract. He signed Duckett. HE Sign Archdelux. He signed Lloyd.

Where is his responsibility in all of these moves. Was he asleep in the office. I seriously doubt that. Instead it seems pretty clear he was on board with much of these decisions.

I love how all the Gibbs lovers give him all the credit for the wins but none of the responsiblity for the busts. Remember Gibbs was the man who wanted Desmond Howard. Bethard fought him tooth and nail on that pick and left the Skins soon after. Gibbs was never a shop for the groceries guy.

[CGSKINS]

If you really take a look at it, we've really only gone stupid with free agents twice. Every other year we don't do any more or less than anyone else.
It's the reputation after the 2000 shopping spree that feeds the perception.

~BangBingo!!!!!!!!!

[ddub52]

I cant believe he didnt say "ya know" a thousand times

[thinker]

I would bet big money that if we had cap space, we'd be chasing the stars this year. What is Vinny going to say? The situation is different than it was a few years ago.

Here's my theory of that from another thread entitled "We're not in cap hell. We're in cap Heck"

If you survey the landscape of the NFL today, obviously there are all of those that annually predict cap hell for the Skins. Those in the know have traditionally used the "cash over cap" theory that says as long as we are willing to re-do contracts and give the players more guaranteed cash, we'll alway be ok. Here are some reasons why I think that is not so much the case any more. In fact although we aren't in the kind of dire circumstance people always put us in - we are in CAP HECK.

I understand that the following list (http://www.askthecommish.com/salarycap/numbers.asp) of teams' cap numbers are from the end of December but it is important for several reasons.

Obviously the Skins (And other teams) will make many moves to reduce their cap numbers. When all is said and done, though, we will still be among the very bottom with the least amount of cap space to use. And what is the effect of that?

Well, we're seeing that traditionally cheap teams are increasingly franchising players who aren't really superstars. Teams are also increasingly extending their best young players before they reach free agency. What this means is that the number of young stars on the rise to hit free agency is increasingly small. This is happening when virtually every team in the league has more money to throw at those players who are available and can now outbid us.

This isn't a new situation. Last year we couldn't even get inside the room to consider making a competetive bid on Derrick Dockery or any of the other 4-5 really good offensive linemen who were free agents. We just weren't in a position to offer $18-20 million bonuses to guards. Instead we gave up a middle round pick and got a 35 year old guard who was disgruntled with his contract, with bad knees from the jests. Now he played ok last year, but he wasn't Dockery - particularly in the pulling department. AND we still have no long term solution at the position. We also needed a cornerback last year. We didn't have to even bother calling Nate Clement's agent - didn't sf give him a $90 million contract with a $25+ somthing million bonus?

What free agents could we get? Smoot and London. Smoot who was in the bargain bin because of his meltdown on and off the field in Minnesota and London who is older and considered a (GW) system kind of player with size that most teams don't want in their mlb position. Now they both played well for us and I'm happy with them but we got them at a relatively discounted price and they were far from being covetted in the league.

And what position do we need to fill this year? Big possesion wr, pass rushing de and dt, shutdown corner, lb, oline. Do you think Snyderatto can outbid the rest of the league for Assante Samuel? Not any more (if we wanted him). To get a player who is in demand, we will really have to overpay because virtually every other team in the NFL could pay more than we could. With most teams having tons of cap space and a much more limited number of available free agents, what that means is that just "above average" players can now command ridiculous contracts. That just pushes us further down the list of people we can competetively bid for. And let's face it, the Redskins aren't the team that many players will take less to come play for. NE might get Randy Moss for a year at a discount, they might be able to sign Zach Thomas at a discount. But we can't do that. Our ace in the hole was always that we could pay more.

To make things worse we still are saddled with terrible contracts like Lloyd's who we can't even cut because of the cap hit. There has been talk that Jon Jansen is good value with his age and injury profile - tough. We can't cut him - too big of a cap hit.

So we have less flexibility than almost every other team in terms of cutting players and signing new ones. We can't reasonably outbid anybody for a top flight player. So the reality is that we're in CAP HECK.

[Thirtyfive2seven]

I have never understood why everyone blames Vinny. The last 4 years I put directly on Gibbs. He was the driving force behind acquiring many of our bust.

Brunell's deal was all him.

Williams loved Archdeluxe and Gibbs along with it.

Gibbs helped bring in Lloyd.

He traded away picks for Campbell.

I am not saying Vinny is great but he does not deserve all the blame. Gibbs played a big part in a lot of those trades and those signings. I think people give Gibbs a pass and Vinny is an easy target.

So you expect me to believe that Gibbs negotiated Brunell's contract? You want us to believe that Gibbs said, we should give up xth round picks for Mark!

Gibbs may have wanted him, but he didn't and never has negotiated ONE single contract with a player.

Nor does he decide what draft picks to give away for the likes of J. Campbell

[rellascout]

So you expect me to believe that Gibbs negotiated Brunell's contract? You want us to believe that Gibbs said, we should give up xth round picks for Mark!

Gibbs may have wanted him, but he didn't and never has negotiated ONE single contract with a player.

Nor does he decide what draft picks to give away for the likes of J. Campbell

That maybe the case but I think if you look at it with an objective eye Gibbs bears a lot of responsibility. He was the President of the team. If he did not want to be involved he should have hired a real GM. Instead he wanted to shop for the groceries and coach the team.

Don't get me wrong. I love Gibbs but I just don't think he is should get a pass.

[tex]

Vinny is finally wising up.

[turbodiesel#44]

Maybe with more responsibility he's become more responsible?


Gasp! Vinny might actully be somewhat competant?!:excited:


Or maybe it's just a positive spin on the fact that we're broke as :pooh:.I think all 3 of you are right, to a degree. We'll see.

[Oldskool]

Don't be promoting Vincenzo to Mensa status yet. I'm sure he's just repeating what his capologist told him.

[alwaysaskin]

You know, if we had included a competent kicker in that 2000 spree, we might have finished 13-3, we were better than the Giants or Ravens talent-wise, we just couldn't get the ball through the uprights. I think our rep as big spenders is overblown and I think the media hypes up every off-season move the 'Skins make, you see the Pats and other teams getting praises for what we do and yet Snyder gets criticized. Then the fans here buy into the idiots in the Media and start bashing our team.

[SonnyandSam]

So you expect me to believe that Gibbs negotiated Brunell's contract? You want us to believe that Gibbs said, we should give up xth round picks for Mark!

Gibbs may have wanted him, but he didn't and never has negotiated ONE single contract with a player.

Nor does he decide what draft picks to give away for the likes of J. Campbell

Give me a freakin' break! Gibbs hands are all over BOTH of those players. He wanted them and Snyder did what it took to sign both. And you can bet your annual paycheck that Gibbs agreed to the draft pick trade for Campbell. Neither Vinny nor Snyder were going to tell Gibbs to go away.

Gibbs made all the final decisions on players over the past four years including Lloyd and Archuletta....anyone who thinks those were Vinny's decisions are blind.

Even before that, most player selections have rested with Marty and Spurrier. Cerrato and Snyder have gotten the blame but virtually all the players going back to Marty's time have been players the coaches wanted. Blame them for not putting their foot down but don't blame them for selecting, drafting and signing players. These were players the COACHES coveted and wanted.

[skinsince72]

I think Vinny learned quite a bit in the last 4 years. He is a football guy. And as long as Dan is loyal to him, the team is better off. Dan likes a lot of control and if Vinny is gone, it would take a new GM or VP a long time to win Dan's trust.

[Siven]

Actions speak louder than words -- let us see if Zorn pans out.

See, picking Zorn would have meant that Vinny is smarter than Gibbs.

I don't think that is the case.

Cause we all know how good of a front office whiz kid Gibbs is!

3rd and 4th for Lloyd

3rd for Duckett

3rd for Brunell

etc
etc
etc

[illone]

Thank god the market is changing and forcing the Skins to use the draft more.

Lord knows if there was no salary cap the Skins would just sign everyone under the sun:laugh:.

Thinker is on the right track, though. Teams are getting smarter with their own players and extending guys that 4-5 years ago could have been snatched up by Snyder's big bucks. Now that they're maxed out the Skins are taking a more frugal approach which should be a blessing in disguise.

[SkinsFan48]

Porter, are you serious. I pray we dont sign him. Hes getting too old and has never had a 1000 yard season. I dont care who he has played for. 8years in the league and no 1000 yard season. No thanks.




They need to look to add a big receiver...and then draft. Id like Bryant Johnson, DJ Hackett, or Jerry Porter...in that order. Everything else can be addressed in the draft.

[steve09ru]

I think Vinny gets way way way too much crap from everyone on here. He wouldn't have been with Notre Dame in 89 or the 49ers for so long by being a complete moron.
:applause: and he doesn't have a coach bugging him about getting the big names they want

[TheLongshot]

Thank god the market is changing and forcing the Skins to use the draft more.

Lord knows if there was no salary cap the Skins would just sign everyone under the sun:laugh:.

I think the Skins are using the draft more not because they are "forced to", but because they mostly have starting-caliber players in the starting spots, and the need to trade for players has been greatly reduced. As proven with the trade for Kendall last year, the Skins won't be shy about trading picks if they identify a player on the market they can use to make this team better.

Jason

[stevemcqueen1]

I think our rep as big spenders is overblown and I think the media hypes up every off-season move the 'Skins make, you see the Pats and other teams getting praises for what we do and yet Snyder gets criticized.

The Patriots and Cowboys spend at least as much money on free agents as we do, but they are in different media markets and for whatever reason their owners aren't as disliked as Snyder is.

Also, it seems to me that Snyder has mellowed a lot from the second Joe Gibb's tenure. He isn't a stupid man, why are we denying him the possibility of learning from his personnel mistakes? He was a new owner in 2000, and his franchise's first real success was in 2005. I think the Redskins, as a team and franchise, are in the process of figuring out how to be consistently successful. And like someone said before, it isn't like we are the dolphins or the raiders

[CM916]

Imagine that, a guy who has held a job in this league for years actually displaying some competence... :rolleyes:

[Chief skin]

I will believe it when I SEE IT, TALK IS CHEAP. This ownership sucks

[SearchHorizon]

That is not the point at all. If you look at what people are complaining about when ever they ***** about Vinny and Snyder is that they made these poor moves. That they picked these guys and that prooves they don't know what they are doing ...

You are saying that Cerrato/Snyder/Gibbs worked as a team, so Gibbs is responsible for some of the bad things.

That is true.

But that kind of comment doesn't lend much insight. Three people in an organization may be responsible as a group, but I am talking about who in that three are making bad decisions.

If you look at the moves Vinny and Dan made as SOON as Gibbs II left, it is clear that Dan, Vinny, and Gibbs were NOT on the same page.

it is also pretty clear that Vinny/Dan are not making good decisions. It is likely that they were responsible for many bad things that occurred during Gibbs II.

The moves related to hiring Zorn are the forerunners of further bad moves to come.

[SearchHorizon]

Cause we all know how good of a front office whiz kid Gibbs is!

3rd and 4th for Lloyd

3rd for Duckett

3rd for Brunell

etc
etc
etc
How do you know that all of these were made by Gibbs II, and not Vinny/Dan?

Based on Dan/Vinny's history of making bad deals in the past (before Gibbs II's arrival), I have a hunch that many of those moves have a lot to do with Vinny/Dan.

[SearchHorizon]

Even before that, most player selections have rested with Marty and Spurrier. Cerrato and Snyder have gotten the blame but virtually all the players going back to Marty's time have been players the coaches wanted. Blame them for not putting their foot down but don't blame them for selecting, drafting and signing players. These were players the COACHES coveted and wanted.

Do you remember who did the Bruce Smith, Jeff George, Dein Sanders, etc. deals before Gibbs II's arrival? And extrapolating from that, who is most likely to have done the later deals after Gibbs II's arrival?

I think it is pretty obvious the coaches selected who they wanted, but Dan and Vinny negotiated the deals.

[Digger]

Late one night at Redskin HQ, Snyder comes running into Vinny's office:

Snyder: Vinny, I was thinking and I just realized something!
Vinny: What's that boss?
Snyder: Well, I just realized that all those great players on other teams...
Vinny: Yes?
Snyder: They were drafted out of college! Every single one of them!
Vinny: Well, yes, that's true.
Snyder: Who knew that you could draft your own superstars? No one told me this!
Vinny: Well, actually...
Snyder: We could draft players!
Vinny: True, but...
Snyder: How much do draft picks cost? I want all of them!
Vinny: Well, actually sir, they can't be bought. We're allotted one per draft round.
Snyder: You mean like my 'Snyder Dollars'?
Vinny: Well sir, those 'Snyder Dollars' ARE our draft picks.
Snyder: You mean I don't HAVE to use them to trade for my favoritest players? I can actually use them to draft our own superstars! Brilliant!
Vinny: <drops head onto desk> Yeas sir, brilliant.

[Smoot Point Really]

Hahah. How ironic that he is the one saying you have to overpay to get anyone in FA. Do you know why that is Vinny?!? It's because we spend millions of dollars on scrubs like Lloyd. We inflated that market, don't bring it up like it's something that just happened.


Lloydd wasn't a scrub when we brought him in... Until Chris Cooley (and perhaps Laron Landry now), we never gave away more than around $10M in guaranteed money to anyone. The other teams who gave away $18M+ guaranteed for OGs, CBs and DEs last season are the ones who really reset the limit. The Redskins might have set the bar in past seasons, but it was nearly doubled last season.

[TheLongshot]

How do you know that all of these were made by Gibbs II, and not Vinny/Dan?

Based on Dan/Vinny's history of making bad deals in the past (before Gibbs II's arrival), I have a hunch that many of those moves have a lot to do with Vinny/Dan.

Because JLC reported that the coaches had a lot of say in those acquisitions. Do a search on JLC's postmortem on the 2006 season. It will be eye-opening for you.

Jason

[Byner21]

Sounding sound rules!

[dieselfan44]

well damn, have we finally learned something

[SearchHorizon]

Because JLC reported that the coaches had a lot of say in those acquisitions. Do a search on JLC's postmortem on the 2006 season. It will be eye-opening for you.

Jason
Take out your condescension, and your post will read much better.

I read JLC, and his blogs/writings are generally inaccurate and filled with his personal bias.

And yes, I know that coaches have input.

[Stophovr6]

Lloydd wasn't a scrub when we brought him in... Until Chris Cooley (and perhaps Laron Landry now), we never gave away more than around $10M in guaranteed money to anyone. The other teams who gave away $18M+ guaranteed for OGs, CBs and DEs last season are the ones who really reset the limit. The Redskins might have set the bar in past seasons, but it was nearly doubled last season.

And if you look further in the thread, I say that we didn't create the high prices, we simply had a part(monster explenation). I would argue that setting the bar for several seasons falls under molding the monster. Wouldn't you agree?

Anyhow, someone was eventually going to pay top dollar for some players. Like you said last season it was other teams. Thing is, you'd expect us to be a good team with all the money we throw around.

[WhoRUSupposed2Be]

Take out your condescension, and your post will read much better.

I read JLC, and his blogs/writings are generally inaccurate and filled with his personal bias.

And yes, I know that coaches have input.

Well, if you knew the coaches had input in the players they wanted, then why the constant bash of the FO?

Let's not time warp back to the 2000 season, but it should be noted that this FO has done things in the coaches will for a long time.

[Flycoach]

http://www.examiner.com/a-1228458~Redskins_won_t_pursue_big_fish.html


“I don’t see us being real active,” Redskins executive vice president of football operations Vinny Cerrato said. “We have a lot of guys under contract and people are signing their own free agents quite a bit. You have to overpay for anyone out there and there aren’t a lot of guys out there.”

Could just be a ploy... you think?

He said that before he found out that Randy Moss is a Free Agent. The Pats didn't Franchise him. Wonder if Redskins One is warming up...?

[Special K]

Well, I'll be damned!! Glad to see our lil' Vinny's growing up! :laugh: All joking aside, I honestly think Vinny gets a bit of an unfair bad rap...so I'm glad to hear him speaking sensically, maybe this will garner a little more faith in the man. Baby steps, baby steps.

[Scamp1]

Look in Websters and right under the definition "Overpay" is Vinnys picture. those words coming out of his mouth make me "Puke with Laughter". Got a new job title and acts like the "Smart Hat" Danny gave him actually works.