Low key successful offseason

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Okay, here is what I think the skins should do this offseason. stay low key!

key cuts

Cornelius Griffin - hurt all the time w/ too large of a salary
phillip Daniels - old and doesn't produce much
James Thrash - old, only there last year because Gibbs liked him

key FA

Mark Brunell - don't resign, over the hill
Rock Cartright - don't resign, will demand too much money
Ryan Boschetti - don't resign, takes up a roster spot and isn't worth much
Reche Caldwell - although I like Reche, there are other receivers on the market that would be better.
Todd Collins - system QB, Saunders is gone and so is Collin's A game
Jason Fabini - resign, provides good depth
Derrick Frost - let him compete for his job in training camp
Randall Godfrey - GW guy, old, gone
David Macklin - don't resign, very disopointing signing from last year
Keenan McCardell - old, will probably retire
Pierson Prioleau - don't let the door hit you on the way out
Mike Pucillo - see ya
Omar Stoutmire - piece
Shaun Suisham - resign

New key FA picked ups (notice they aren't top dollar players, good value though)

WR DJ Hackett (seahawks) 6'2, 208lbs, 26 yo
WR Andre Davis (texans) 6'1, 195lbs, 28 yo
QB Billy Volek (chargers) 6'2, 214lbs, 31 yo
LB Boss Bailey (lions) 6'3, 235lbs, 28 yo

Draft scenerio 1

1st/2nd - best available DE/CB
3rd/5th - best available DT/OLB/OG
6th - QB
7th - S/LB

I'd like to see it play out like this:

1 - CB Aqib Talib 6'2, 205(kansas), if not available DE Derick Harvey (Florida)
2 - DE Chris Ellis 6'5, 257(VT), if drafted D.Harvey in the first 2nd = CB Brandon Flowers (VT)
3 - OG Kerry Brown (appy st.), 6'6, 310 huge guard
5 - DT Nick Hayden (Wisc), 6'5, 320 monster
6 - QB Paul Smith (Tulsa), 6'2, 193 great player...I saw him play a few times
7 - LB Wesley Woodyard (Kentucky), 6'1 212, undersized, but fast and sure tackler

draft scenerio 2

1 - trade for D'angelo Hall (Falcons have him on the trade block) 4th best corner in the league behind Asante Samuel/champ bailey/antonio cromarti
2- Chris Ellis
the rest of the draft the same

***my first pick would be to trade for D'Angelo Hall, put only for 1 first round pick or less. I don't like to trade draft picks, but D Hall is a two time pro bowl CB who is only 24.

this is what the depth chart would look like:

QB: J. Campbell / B. Volek / P. Smith (R)
RB: C. Portis / L. Betts / M. Mason
FB: M Sellers
TE: C Cooley / T Yoder / undrafted FA
WR: S Moss / DJ Hackett / A Randel El / A Davis / B Lloyd / A Mix
RT: J Jansen / S Heyer
LT: C Samuels / T Wade
RG: R Thomas / J Fabini
LG: P Kendall / K Brown (R) / L Alexander (DT/OG)
C: K Raback

RE: C. Ellis (R) / C. Wilson / undrafted FA
LE: A Carter / D. Evans
DT: K Golson / A. Montgomery / N Hayden (R) / L. Alexander (OG/DT)
WLB: R. McIntosh / K. Campbell
SLB: M Washington / B. Bailey / W Woodyard (R)
MLB: L Fletcher / HB Blades
CB: S Springs / D. Hall or A Talib (R)/ F Smoot / C Rogers / undrafted FA
SS: R Doughty / undrafted FA
FS: L Landry / V Fox

K: S Suisham
P: D Frost
LS: E Albright
KR: A Davis / L Betts
PR: A Davis / A Randel El

[d0ublestr0ker0ll]

Pretty good Vinnie. How's Dan?

[Gator Bait]

Pretty good Vinnie. How's Dan?

hmmm...my name isn't vinnie, but i do know a dan....he's fine. thanks for asking.

[Skin51]

first you cant put carter at le....thats where the strong side is......he would def get blown up..you would need a bigger de at that side.....

[rstwrt24]

i like Andre Davis in there, i havent heard much about him recently but hes a good reciever and a better kick returner.

btw D.Hall is good but he isnt the 4th best CB in the league. I would take Al Harris over him in a second

[ChiefPowhatan17]

Not bad finally someone sees the light to pick up Andre Davis. This would be huge for our team.

[Gator Bait]

first you cant put carter at le....thats where the strong side is......he would def get blown up..you would need a bigger de at that side.....

????

carter is at LE

that is his position you know

[MartinC]

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carter is at LE

that is his position you know

Nope. RDE. Daniels plays LDE on 1st and run downs replaced by Chris Wilson on passing downs.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

Nope. RDE. Daniels plays LDE on 1st and run downs replaced by Chris Wilson on passing downs.Daniels does play the LDE, but he is replaced by Evans, not Wilson. Wilson usually steps in for Carter.

[Gator Bait]

Nope. RDE. Daniels plays LDE on 1st and run downs replaced by Chris Wilson on passing downs.

I stand corrected

[Brianbien83]

I agree with a lot of your cuts and signings, but my disagreements are in bold.


Okay, here is what I think the skins should do this offseason. stay low key!

key cuts

James Thrash - old, only there last year because Gibbs liked him
Did you turn the tv off when the special teams were on the field?

key FA

Randall Godfrey - GW guy, old, gone
It would be cheaper to keep him around for another year and draft a LB next year than it would be to give a contract to Boss, who will undoubtedly look to get a fat contract from the Danny.

New key FA picked ups (notice they aren't top dollar players, good value though)

QB Billy Volek (chargers) 6'2, 214lbs, 31 yo
I just really don't like Volek, no real reason.

Draft scenerio 1

6th - QB

Jordan Palmer #2? I think this pick is better used on a project O or D Lineman and pick up an undrafted guy to hold the clip board and sign a cheap free agen not named Volek for the backup. Someone with some WC experience.
I'd like to see it play out like this:

2 - DE Chris Ellis 6'5, 257(VT)
This will give the 'Skins two undersized ends. They may as well just put Chris Wilson out there, 'cause they're the same body types. They need a big end, no less than 280.
6 - QB Paul Smith (Tulsa), 6'2, 193 great player...I saw him play a few times
See above
7 - LB Wesley Woodyard (Kentucky), 6'1 212, undersized, but fast and sure tackler
Would the plan be to move him to safety? That's about his size. If he's fast enough, I wouldn't be opposed to it, but I don't know that he has the size to play backer.

draft scenerio 2

1 - trade for D'angelo Hall (Falcons have him on the trade block) 4th best corner in the league behind Asante Samuel/champ bailey/antonio cromarti
Yeah, he's 24, but the Falcons gave him a huge contract. Not a fan of taking on someone else's fat contracts in addition to the ones the front office negotiated on their own. I think that if Carlos Rogers is healthy near the beginning of the season, and the 'Skins draft a CB in the first or second, the secondary is pretty set. I'd rather pay a low first round contract than Hall's-even if you do get slightly less on the field.

this is what the depth chart would look like:

QB: J. Campbell / B. Volek / P. Smith (R)

RE: C. Ellis (R) / C. Wilson / undrafted FA
See above for my problems with Ellis

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I agree with a lot of your cuts and signings, but my disagreements are in bold.

I'm not going to attack you...but I think your assessment of my proposed picks is way off.....

Thrash is very old....yes, I know he is a good special teams player....but he can easily be replaced by a young project receiver like Mix.

last time I checked a 6'5, 257lb DE isn't undersized for a DE coming out of college...he will be 280lbs once the strength and conditioning coach is done with him.

Godfrey is old, and was just signed last year because of injuries, he can easily be replaced.

You don't have to like Volek, but he is a very good back up QB...you can't take that away from him.

Yes....Jordan Palmer was a bust in the 6th round. Tom Brady wasn't a 6th round bust though. 6th round picks are usually gambles anyway. We need another young QB to hold the 3rd string spot and hopefully be a solid back up one day, or better.

You bring up a good point that Woodyard could play safety, we could definitely use some depth at this position anyway.

D'Angelo Hall is better than Al Harris in my eyes. I saw an interview w/ either TO or Chad Johnson last year.....when asked who their toughest match at corner was, he responded D Hall. I'm not big on trading draft picks, so I'd be totaly open to drafting a CB w/ our 1st or 2nd instead.

I'll give you the Boss Bailey arguement. I was just trying to find someone to patch in for Rocky if he doesn't recover. (btw, I don't think Boss can back up a large contract, so he probably wouldn't get one)

last.....you talk about our secondary being set, but w/ carlos out until at least october (and could be out for the season if his recovery doesn't go right, see Gilbert Arenas) we need someone to play the nickel. If we got Hall, we could move smoot back to the nickel. If we draft a CB, we can slot them into the nickel

[USS Redskins]

My plan:

Dan Snyder uses his fortune to build and perfect a time machine. He transports himself back in time (probably naked like in Terminator) and returns with the original 1983 Hogs, 1988 version of Dan Marino, along with 1989's Jerry Rice and from various other time periods Walter Payton, Wilber Marshall and a host of others.

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My plan:

Dan Snyder uses his fortune to build and perfect a time machine. He transports himself back in time (probably naked like in Terminator) and returns with the original 1983 Hogs, 1988 version of Dan Marino, along with 1989's Jerry Rice and from various other time periods Walter Payton, Wilber Marshall and a host of others.

lol....you put Wilber Marshall in the same football fantasy as Marino, Payton, Rice, and the Hogs...that is too funny.

How about Chip Lowmiller!!!

[SkinsHokieFan]

Chris Ellis is not a 2nd round draft pick

He would be someone to pick up in the 3rd or 4th, at the highest

[Fifty Gut]

To say Phillip Daniels "doesn't produce" just because he doesn't have the sack numbers of Carter is ignorance. He played better at DT this season than Griff did.

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Chris Ellis is not a 2nd round draft pick

He would be someone to pick up in the 3rd or 4th, at the highest

I could see him sliding to the 3rd....no way he falls to the 4th.

He is a top 10 DE

4 or 5 will go in the first round alone

[Gator Bait]

To say Phillip Daniels "doesn't produce" just because he doesn't have the sack numbers of Carter is ignorance. He played better at DT this season than Griff did.

Griff was hurt most of the year. I got rid of Griff as well incase you didn't notice.

Maybe I should have worded "Daniels doesn't produce enough to justify his salary"

Our DL is too old, we need some young depth. I realize we have Alexander, Wilson, Monty, Golston who are young....but Alexander is getting moved to Guard this year and everyone else is in their 30s.

Daniels is taking up a roster spot that would be better off used for a draft pick who will cost less money and produce more.

[Ernie5]

I could go along with this. I have questions about Volek, though.
And I'll take Hall over Al Harris ANY DAY OF THE WEEK (especially Sundays).

[[[ghost]]]

i like Andre Davis in there, i havent heard much about him recently but hes a good reciever and a better kick returner.

btw D.Hall is good but he isnt the 4th best CB in the league. I would take Al Harris over him in a second

I wouldn't take Al Harris (I hate the way he plays), but you can say he's not the 4th best. Its arguable, but you can't argue that Hall is a solid starter at worst, and would thrive on a team that promotes opportunistic corners aided by blanked safeties.

He fits Washington ball.

[terpskins10]

DeAngelo Hall is nowhere near the 4th best CB in the league. He's overrated as any corner out there.

I'd take Mathis, Samuel, Bailey, Cromartie, Trufant, Clements, Newman, Harris, Woodson, and not to mention ASOMUGHA (my favorite CB in the NFL) over him.

Just say no to DeAngelo Hall.

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DeAngelo Hall is nowhere near the 4th best CB in the league. He's overrated as any corner out there.

I'd take Mathis, Samuel, Bailey, Cromartie, Trufant, Clements, Newman, Harris, Woodson, and not to mention ASOMUGHA (my favorite CB in the NFL) over him.

Just say no to DeAngelo Hall.

As said previously, I believe Bailey, Cromartie, and Samuel are all better than D Hall

harris, Mathis, Woodson, Asomugha, and Trufant don't touch him.

Clements....I'll give you that arguement.

Woodson is older and he has an injury prone past

Newman is very overrated.

[wildbill1952]

Interesting, I think the FA signings might put us over the cap by about 20 million, but maybe you negotiate better than Dan and Vinny.

I do see you making the same mistake that the Vinny and Coach Dan make on OL, however. Heyer showed in the Seattle game that he couldn't stand alone against first class competition (unlike Samuels) and you play the "I bet my season" card by thinking that 30+ year old linemen can be backed up by 34+ year old linemen and still have a running game and pass protection. One injury to the OL and you're faced with holding back RB and TE's to help block, further decimating our offensive weapons. (See the Seattle game for an example.)

In fantasy football you don't need no stinkin' O-linemen. In the NFL, you do.

JMHO.

[Gator Bait]

Interesting, I think the FA signings might put us over the cap by about 20 million, but maybe you negotiate better than Dan and Vinny.

I do see you making the same mistake that the Vinny and Coach Dan make on OL, however. Heyer showed in the Seattle game that he couldn't stand alone against first class competition (unlike Samuels) and you play the "I bet my season" card by thinking that 30+ year old linemen can be backed up by 34+ year old linemen and still have a running game and pass protection. One injury to the OL and you're faced with holding back RB and TE's to help block, further decimating our offensive weapons. (See the Seattle game for an example.)

In fantasy football you don't need no stinkin' O-linemen. In the NFL, you do.

JMHO.

I don't believe these free agent signings would put us over the cap....when you consider the cuts that will be made: brunell/daniels/griff would save around 10 million alone. then you figure in restructuring portis' contract, and a couple other cuts and restructures and you are fine.

as far as the oline goes....last year was pretty freak that we lost half of our Oline for most of the whole season. I'd love to boost up the whole line, but we just don't have enough draft picks/money.

so, I agree your assessment on the Oline is correct, it is really hard to fix w/ all the other needs we have. Being that our starting Oline is very good, and we have a few decent back-ups, I think we would be okay in only drafting one OL w/ a mid round pick.

Next year's draft I would be targeting Linebackers and Olineman like it's going out of style!

[Brianbien83]

I'm not going to attack you...but I think your assessment of my proposed picks is way off.....

'preciate that

Thrash is very old....yes, I know he is a good special teams player....but he can easily be replaced by a young project receiver like Mix.

Mix did play well on specials when he got the opportunity, and I love his size. I just think the intangibles that Thrash brings are invaluable. You've proposed getting rid of both Rock and Thrash...arguably the two most important special teamers on the team. I think you keep at least one of those guys.

last time I checked a 6'5, 257lb DE isn't undersized for a DE coming out of college...he will be 280lbs once the strength and conditioning coach is done with him.

He is undersized when you put him in the starting lineup opposite a guy who is similarly sized. If you have Carter and Ellis on the edges, teams will run to the corner all day long. I don't care who you are, no way the guy is going to gain 30 pounds (I'd say that 257 in listing terms is probably closer to 250) in the 4 months between the draft and the beginning of the season. If they are going to draft a DE to play right now, they need to get a guy like Merling from Clemson, who depending on his performance at the combine, could be there when the 'Skins pick in the first.
Godfrey is old, and was just signed last year because of injuries, he can easily be replaced.

You don't have to like Volek, but he is a very good back up QB...you can't take that away from him.

Agreed.

Yes....Jordan Palmer was a bust in the 6th round. Tom Brady wasn't a 6th round bust though. 6th round picks are usually gambles anyway. We need another young QB to hold the 3rd string spot and hopefully be a solid back up one day, or better.

I guess it is really irrelevant whether they go for a QB or a Lineman as that 6th round pick, just my preference.

You bring up a good point that Woodyard could play safety, we could definitely use some depth at this position anyway.

D'Angelo Hall is better than Al Harris in my eyes. I saw an interview w/ either TO or Chad Johnson last year.....when asked who their toughest match at corner was, he responded D Hall. I'm not big on trading draft picks, so I'd be totaly open to drafting a CB w/ our 1st or 2nd instead.

Agreed here. I like the idea of drafting a big DE with the first and CB with the second.

I'll give you the Boss Bailey arguement. I was just trying to find someone to patch in for Rocky if he doesn't recover. (btw, I don't think Boss can back up a large contract, so he probably wouldn't get one)

I think free agents' mentalities are a little different in dealing with the 'Skins, which is why I think he'll command more in this market than in other places.

last.....you talk about our secondary being set, but w/ carlos out until at least october (and could be out for the season if his recovery doesn't go right, see Gilbert Arenas) we need someone to play the nickel. If we got Hall, we could move smoot back to the nickel. If we draft a CB, we can slot them into the nickel

I didn't realize that Carlos was out that long, just read Zorn's comments. I just think it is more cost effective to draft a guy and let him play on his rookie salary for a couple years than it is to pay Hall someone else's contract right now.

[SkinsFan48]

I guess that just went over your head.




hmmm...my name isn't vinnie, but i do know a dan....he's fine. thanks for asking.

[Gator Bait]

I guess we aren't too far off base then.

what you said about special teams makes sense....i'd like to keep rock, but I don't think we have that luxury when looking at the cap.

I'd rather sign a pro bowl calibar player who is still young than draft a guy who is unproven, but I must say....I really like aqib talib's game!

If we don't go after hall, I'd take talib in the first and take a DE in the 2nd.

[Gator Bait]

I guess that just went over your head.

it was a joke buddy