Calais Campbell 40 time

[Skinfan56]

just saw on NFL network calais campbell ran a 5.03...this might ensure he's there when we pick, but its also somewhat alarming to me...that's pretty slow

[chaught76]

I am liking the idea of Phillip Merling more and more at the 21st pick instead of Campbell, if he is there. I think I would take DT Balmer before Campbell with our pick.

[nightbird]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

[The_Grim_Reaper]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

EXACTLY:applause: . However his technique has also been questioned as well as his work ethic.

I say go for Merling, Harvey or Groves.

[Brandon Lloyd Christmas]

40 times for lineman are pretty stupid if you ask me. and nightbird is correct, when was the last time you saw a 280 pound lineman bolting around?

[jnhay]

5.03 sounds fast to me. I didn't see the other DE times though.

[The_Grim_Reaper]

5.03 sounds fast to me. I didn't see the other DE times though.

It isn't. Some DTs run faster than that.

[SittingBull]

Can he do a backflip?

[WVUforREDSKINS]

It isn't. Some DTs run faster than that.


Like who? I just wonder what Gilbert Brown ran. He had to be at least 8 seconds.

[CG]

I haven't really been sold on this guy yet. He's a monster at what 6'8" ? but he didn't put up very impressive numbers in his college career. 13 Sacks in 26 games is decent but is that really that great? I dont know.

[chaught76]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

I agree with your comment, but there have been reports or posts that Campbell has poor technique and allows blockers to get under him and get to his legs a lot. Thus, if there was a "beating the tackle in front of you and oblirating the QB" drill, which I would love too see, Campbell would not have good results.

As long as we draft the best football player to play DE, not the best athlete I will be happy. If Campbell is the best football player for us at 21, then so be it.

[LiveStrongSkins]

His first 10 yard increment split is the most important part. The QB is usually 7-8 yards away, its the initial burst that matters. Who cares he ran a 5.0. Maybe he was out of shape and slowed down after 30 yards.

[skeenzfan]

40 times are overrated...most of the so called burners end up being average in the NFL. You NEVER run 40 yards in a straight line in your shorts without the fear of getting hit on Sundays. NEVER.

Football speeds shows up on game film only.

[jnhay]

It isn't. Some DTs run faster than that.
Meh. The distance to the QB is way less than 40 yards.

[Higgs44]

very disappointing... im officially off the bandwagon :laugh:

Coincidentally, i found my new DE to snag...Jason Jones E.Mich 6'5" 275...ran a 4.77 :cheers:

[Portis4MVP2628]

I am beginning to think our 1st round pick will be a DT like balmer or WR like sweed, i really dont see us taking a DE with all of whats being said by zorn and cerrato they seem to like wilson and washington, and for some reason daniels too

[The_Grim_Reaper]

Like who? I just wonder what Gilbert Brown ran. He had to be at least 8 seconds.

Dre Moore ran 4.88 and Laws ran 5.00 I think.

[Never4get#21]

5.03 sounds fast to me. I didn't see the other DE times though.

Are you kidding? the Tackles ran faster than that ...and he doesnt look to agile... . We need to stop looking at this kid and move on ......... Look at others like Harvey or Merling.... Watching also....

[kiingspadee]

I think for linemen they should have a different type of 40. more like how quick you can shed 10 blocks or something like that i dunno but a 40 is just overrated for linemen. they arent known for their speed yet their quickness and ability to get to the QB JIMHO

[WVUforREDSKINS]

Dre Moore ran 4.88 and Laws ran 5.00 I think.


Well, I won't make a big deal out of a .03 sec difference. 4.88 is nice though.

I agree 40 yd dash for lineman is retarted. I just want a phsyical guy with a quick burst off the ball.

[dfbovey]

very disappointing... im officially off the bandwagon :laugh:

Coincidentally, i found my new DE to snag...Jason Jones E.Mich 6'5" 275...ran a 4.77 :cheers:


Yeah, but can he play football?

[jnhay]

Are you kidding? the Tackles ran faster than that ...and he doesnt look to agile... . We need to stop looking at this kid and move on ......... Look at others like Harvey or Merling.... Watching also....
So you think it's wise to base everything off the combine?

[lovetoaster]

Dre Moore ran 4.88 and Laws ran 5.00 I think.

Chris Long ran a 4.71

EDIT: Sorry, I forgot that the original question was about DT's running faster times.

[Robbnva]

for perspective Andre Carter's 40 time was 4.84 that is .19 seconds faster than campbell

[DCchillin89]

You can't look too much into a DE's forty time. However, it would have really boosted his stock if he ran a fast one. This guy seems to have way too many flaws. He's really lanky, and blockers can always seem to get under him. He is a project, and with so much talent at 21, I could see us go with Merling or Groves or Harvey instead of campbell.

[dfbovey]

I'd be more interested in his bench press numbers and shuttle time.
Strength and agility are more important than 40 speed when it comes to linemen.

[Robbnva]

You can't look too much into a DE's forty time. However, it would have really boosted his stock if he ran a fast one. This guy seems to have way too many flaws. He's really lanky, and blockers can always seem to get under him. He is a project, and with so much talent at 21, I could see us go with Merling or Groves or Harvey instead of campbell.

you say Lanky, but they keep reporting coaches like his size and long arms, those are key for a DE.

I say we need to trade up and get one of the absolute STUDS like Long or Gholston

[RDSKNfaithfull]

His first 10 yard increment split is the most important part. The QB is usually 7-8 yards away, its the initial burst that matters. Who cares he ran a 5.0. Maybe he was out of shape and slowed down after 30 yards.

Out of shape after a full season of football? For the Combine? That would be more reason to stay away. Campbell couldn't beat a double team to save his life. He stunk this past year his hype was built two years ago.

[Robbnva]

I'd be more interested in his bench press numbers and shuttle time.
Strength and agility are more important than 40 speed when it comes to linemen.

And the 3 cone drill would help show agility also

[Robbnva]

Long and Gholston just did a 10' 4 broad jump. Can you say DAMN

Cliff Avril who? did a 4.51 40 yard dash

[hitmandm]

Campbell will fall to the mid to late second

[Robbnva]

Campbell will fall to the mid to late second

no Vinny will draft him :doh:

[The Full Monty]

I really think 40-times for d-lineman are irrelevant. College production against top competition is the true test. Same with wide receivers - Jerry Rice's mid 5-range 40 time is proof.

Do you care what Dexter Manley or Charles Mann's 40-time was?

Me neither.

[kreitmaster]

for perspective Andre Carter's 40 time was 4.84 that is .19 seconds faster than campbell

Carter was a LB DE hybrid so it would make sense that he would be faster. Campbell is 100 % DE so the speed is not as important.

[jnhay]

Out of shape after a full season of football? For the Combine? That would be more reason to stay away. Campbell couldn't beat a double team to save his life. He stunk this past year his hype was built two years ago.
Isn't Dorsey sitting out because he's out of shape?

[Robbnva]

Watching the combine from work and Campbell just fell down

[1972FAN]

Scouts say his down side is "he gets lazy, takes time off" still not sold on this guy.

[TheLongshot]

Considering how tall he is, I'm not surprised his 40 time was slow. Course, what is important is his initial burst.

Jason

[[[ghost]]]

Did Derrick Harvey really weigh in as 291?



And I got off the Campbell bandwagone a long time ago.

[Fake Plastic Skins]

The 40 yard dash isn't meant to be a direct measurement tool for linemen. It's more an intagible figure in that it measures overall athleticism (a guy who can run 4.7 at 280 is going to be more athletic than a guy who runs 5.0), but more importantly for guys of this size, it measures work ethic. All players know how important 40 times can be, despite their seeming irrelevence, so most guys are working their asses off in preparation for the combine. If Campbell didn't even break 4.9, he couldn't have been working as hard as some of the other comparable guys, which could demonstrate an overall lack of work ethic.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Isn't Dorsey sitting out because he's out of shape?

He is comming off injury

[Fake Plastic Skins]

]']Did Derrick Harvey really weigh in as 291?



And I got off the Campbell bandwagone a long time ago.

Holy crap. If he did, he's either severely out of shape, or trying desperately to force his way into the top 10. As someone who's seen him play live many times, someone who drafts him is going to get a hell of a football player.

[TheLongshot]

If Campbell didn't even break 4.9, he couldn't have been working as hard as some of the other comparable guys, which could demonstrate an overall lack of work ethic.

Or, maybe he's just a tall, lanky guy who doesn't do well in a sprint. :whoknows:

Jason

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Mayock made a good point. Campbell certainly has a vocie in our Draft room now in our new D line coach and it is hard to say it is and objective one.

[armada58]

What was his 10 Yard Split time?? That's more important than the 40 time.

[Fake Plastic Skins]

Or, maybe he's just a tall, lanky guy who doesn't do well in a sprint. :whoknows:

Jason

Could be, but considering there's separate rumblings of a lack of work ethic, this is the type of thing that just backs it up. Lemme ask you this: when was the last time a non-offensive lineman from Miami didn't run under 4.8-4.9? If a guy under 300 is athletic enough to make it in the NFL, there's a 95% chance he can work hard enough to get his 40 time under 5.0, especially with the specialized training resources that UM offers its players.

[zyvo23]

anyone know what Harvey ran? I think the 291 was a typo. it was 271.

[nightbird]

Mayock made a good point. Campbell certainly has a vocie in our Draft room now in our new D line coach and it is hard to say it is and objective one.

That cuts both ways. He may have more insight on why he DOESN'T think campbell will be a good NFL player. Bobby Petrino skipped right over Amobi Okoye and took another defensive lineman last year.

[TheREALJBird]

Good maybe he'll drop to us now. He's faster than a 5.03 I can assure that...and like everyone has said 40 times are so overrated

[Sonny Joe Hog]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

If there were a drill for beating the tackle, he wouldn't be among the Top Performers. I don't know why so many people on this board are hot to draft him. He had a mediocre year and did not make All-ACC first or second team.

Besides, Vinny wants a DT, not a DE, so any talk of Campbell may be moot.

[The Full Monty]

If there were a drill for beating the tackle, he wouldn't be among the Top Performers. I don't know why so many people on this board are hot to draft him. He had a mediocre year and did not make All-ACC first or second team.
Now those are good points against him.

[Joe Sick]

I was for Calais, but he is slipping in the ratings. He seems like a Philip Daniels clone to me. He could move to DT on passing downs. I would love for him to be around in the 2nd round.

As of this point, I think there will be better options at #21 overall. I'm starting to like Harvey.

[Never4get#21]

top performers so far:

Groves, Quentin 4.57
Crable, Shawn 4.64
Gholston, Vernon 4.67
Johnson, Curtis 4.69
Ellis, Chris 4.71
Gatewood, Curtis 4.74
Long, Chris 4.75
Smith, Bryan 4.75
Thompson, Jeremy 4.75

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

[RDSKNfaithfull]

top performers so far:

Groves, Quentin 4.57
Crable, Shawn 4.64
Gholston, Vernon 4.67
Johnson, Curtis 4.69
Ellis, Chris 4.71
Gatewood, Curtis 4.74
Long, Chris 4.75
Smith, Bryan 4.75
Thompson, Jeremy 4.75

http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers

Gholston overall was the most impresive today.

[cphil006]

Gholston overall was the most impresive today.
I still think he's undersized without the Dwight Freeney quickness.

[Never4get#21]

top performers on the bench press:

Gholston, Vernon 37
Laws, Trevor 35
Rubin, Ahtyba 35
Ellis, Sedrick 34
Hayden, Nick 34
Okam, Frank 32
Harvey, Derrick 31
Jackson, Lawrence 31
Moore, Dre 31


What did Calias do I missed it? Hey Trevor Laws was great in the Senior Bowl and so far today he looks GOOD!!

[Never4get#21]

top performers on the vertical jump:

Gholston, Vernon 35.5
Howard, Marcus 34.5
Long, Chris 34.0
Avril, Cliff 32.5
Holmes, Louis 32.5
Smith, Bryan 32.5
Thompson, Jeremy 32.0
Biermann, Kroy 31.5
Jackson, Lawrence 31.0
Craig, Angelo 30.5
Laws, Trevor 30.5

Trevor ? again!

[Shotgunner]

Can the man play Ball, that is the most important ??? We can get caught up in this nonsense.

[TheLongshot]

Could be, but considering there's separate rumblings of a lack of work ethic, this is the type of thing that just backs it up. Lemme ask you this: when was the last time a non-offensive lineman from Miami didn't run under 4.8-4.9? If a guy under 300 is athletic enough to make it in the NFL, there's a 95% chance he can work hard enough to get his 40 time under 5.0, especially with the specialized training resources that UM offers its players.

In any case, we should have some insight into him since Palermo was his coach for a year, so I'm not worried either way.

I'm not going to let one datapoint decide anything. It should be part of the larger picture.

Jason

[[[ghost]]]

I was hoping Groves' stock was going to fall. He's an extremely fast Pass Rusher. I would have loved to get Sweed in the 1st and Groves in the 2nd.

[MartinC]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

Nice point:applause:

But its not just us fans who get too caught up on 40 yard times though. I was reading a story today which cited a conversation between Jim Mora Snr and his line coach back when he was a Head Coach.

They had seen a few injuries on the line and had brought in some free agents to work out. His line coach was recommedning they sign one of them and Mora looked over the workout reports and said to his linecoach "this guy ran a 5.45 40 - how am I supposed to play him" - his line coach looked at him without missing a beat and with a straight face said "just don't send him deep" ....

[#21Taylor4Ever]

This guy's looking more and more like a DT now.

Sweed just passed him on my list for our 21st pick.

16 reps of 225 and he's 290lbs? That's pretty damn weak.

[MartinC]

Are you kidding? the Tackles ran faster than that ...and he doesnt look to agile... . We need to stop looking at this kid and move on ......... Look at others like Harvey or Merling.... Watching also....

Only 1 Tackle this year beat 5.00 for the 40, for what thats worth.

I will say though tha if there is one position on the line where speed is important its DE. I have never seen Campbell play a down but he worries me - he is one of those boom or bust picks.

[B&G]

I would think the time for the 10 second split is more meaningful than the 40 for a DL.

[TheLongshot]

16 reps of 225 and he's 290lbs? That's pretty damn weak.

Something they did say when the OL was lifting over the weekend was that the bench press works to the strengths of guys who are short-armed and barrell chested.

I agree that it isn't impressive, tho.

Jason

[Never4get#21]

This guy's looking more and more like a DT now.

Sweed just passed him on my list for our 21st pick.

16 reps of 225 and he's 290lbs? That's pretty damn weak.

wow that is bad. I missed it. The funny thing is that "Vinny" will probably still take him at #21.


Im hoping for Kenny Phillips and take Trevor Laws in 2nd round.

Use Chris Wilson for speed rush!!

[Samuels]

I can't believe any of you guys that were/are clamoring for him have actually watched him play. He sucks period the only thing going for him was his size. In the UVA they just mauled him over and over the guy is'nt good.

Merlin is a very good run defender but he lacks passrush ability has well.

Thier are 3 De's in this draft who could possibly help this team. Chris Long,Gholston and Harvey. Those are the only 3 guys we should even mention has possibilitys at De and 2 of them will be surely gone before #21 but likely all 3.

At DT the only 2 guys who could help us Sedrick Ellis and Dorsey both will be gone.

In rd2-3 is the time to draft our D-Lineman.

In rd1 give me Branden Albert and take care of that o-line longterm.

[Grumtar]

Pat Sims should be the pick if we dont get Merling

[Wanted: Super Bowl]

How about we get Kellen Davis from Mich St .....impressive 40 impressive bench impressive size....plays both sides of the ball....sounds great to me!

[gkekoa]

Who cares about 40 time? What is the difference in 5.03 and 4.78...2.5 tenths of a second. Who cares?

[Grumtar]

Burst off the line is important and a slow forty time makes that much worse for campbell it looks as though he will slip into the 2nd rd possibly 3rd. Trevor Laws and Pat Sims have the production in college and are 3 tech dts so thats where i think thats where the skins will be going

[Fake Plastic Skins]

In any case, we should have some insight into him since Palermo was his coach for a year, so I'm not worried either way.

I'm not going to let one datapoint decide anything. It should be part of the larger picture.

Jason

Absolutely agree with you there. Nevertheless, I'm a homer for Derrick Harvey, especially at 271.

[TLusby]

I believe I read where GW said that Wilson was the fastest DE that he had ever seen and that his time was close to 4.5. Let's pass on CC and develop Wilson and get a stud DT that is a run stuffing and pass rushing machine.

[ADF]

I'm more interested in if the guy can actually play. Have people actually seen this guy play or are they just fascinated by his size? Combine numbers should only be used to confirm what has been seen on film.

[DCMONEY]

The Skins need are CB, D-lineman and Possible bigger wide out. If the best player at 21 happens to be a wideout then take him. I have a feeling James Hardy is gonna be a beast.

[DemSkinz]

I really thought Campbell was gonna be a bust anyway.

[the burgundy and gold]

i jumped off his band wagon a few months back. I really hope we don't draft him, just seems like a bust waiting to happen.

[Fake Plastic Skins]

I believe I read where GW said that Wilson was the fastest DE that he had ever seen and that his time was close to 4.6. Let's pass on CC and develop Wilson and get a stud DT that is a run stuffing and pass rushing machine.

Who's going to stop teams from running to the outside constantly with Wilson and Carter on the edges? Ideally, you get a big end for the first two downs to stop the run that can provide some pass rush (i.e. Philip Daniels if he can rush the passer), go with a rotation on the inside of Montgomery, Golston and Griffin on the first two downs, put the big end on the inside on 3rd down, rotate Carter and Wilson the first two downs, and have them both out there on 3rd.

Problem solved.

[jnhay]

This guy's looking more and more like a DT now.

Sweed just passed him on my list for our 21st pick.

16 reps of 225 and he's 290lbs? That's pretty damn weak.
Are you sure? When I was watching, the bench press said DNP for Calais Campbell.

[boobiemiles]

The most inportant thing is can CC stay stout at the point of attack. In our D, he doesn't need to rush the passer, we have Andre Carter for that. He will need to pinch down the ends, and hold his own against the run and add some bite to our pass rush. %.03 is slow, but a few good DE's have slow times. Michael Strahan had a slow 40, now look at him.

[mcmillan89]

ummm.... my freshman year in highschool football i ran a 5 flat so thats a bit slow for an NFL prospect

[ArmchairRedskin]

Doesn't matter since we won't go Dline in the first.

[aubreyjn]

Freeney runs a 4.6. I am a U fan but CC is looking pretty poor

[Flycoach]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

A-FREAKIN'-MEN! :applause:

[Smoot Point Really]

40 times for lineman are pretty stupid if you ask me. and nightbird is correct, when was the last time you saw a 280 pound lineman bolting around?

Mario Williams, 291 lbs... 4.66 40 yard dash...

BTW, people should really get off Charlie Casserly's back by now. :)

[cokill]

Are you guys kidding he went to the U relax.

[HoyaSkins28]

merling is definitely the better prospect

[Fake Plastic Skins]

Are you guys kidding he went to the U relax.

Exactly the problem. The U is a pro factory, and part of that includes getting their players ready for the draft. Campbell had all the combine specific training that there is available to him, and he still fell short. That sets off alarm bells.

[Brother Redskin]

This guy's looking more and more like a DT now.

Sweed just passed him on my list for our 21st pick.

16 reps of 225 and he's 290lbs? That's pretty damn weak.


Jared Allen put up 225lbs 13 times and Terrell Suggs ran a slower than expected 40 time which droped where he was picked. Sweed seems like he will be a good player but will probably be gone at 21. Combine numbers are just a part of the puzzle.

[SkinsMaster88]

Jared Allen put up 225lbs 13 times and Terrell Suggs ran a slower than expected 40 time which droped where he was picked. Sweed seems like he will be a good player but will probably be gone at 21. Combine numbers are just a part of the puzzle.
Exactly. Most steals seem to come by guys falling in their pre-draft performances. Of course, this can also be an indicator of their possible lack of athletic talent compared to their peers.

I'm still not ruling out Campbell, but there might be better guys available when we pick. He was the team MVP in 2006 as a sophomore, and had a monster season as a sophomore with 1st-team All-ACC with 55 tackles, 20.5 for loss, 10.5 sacks, 17 pressures, 3 forced fumbles. His D-line coach was John Palermo, the new Redskins D-line coach. Palermo might know how to get the most out of Campbell. When Palermo left, Campbell didn't live up to expectations and had a mediocre junior year. You can't deny the size and potential. His 2006 season with 20.5 stops for loss was similar to numbers of Julius Peppers, Mario Williams, and Lawrence Taylor in ACC history.

As to his athletic ability (in HS): "[As a senior] On offense, he had 38 receptions for 412 yards with four touchdowns, including 68- and 72-yarders on tight end screens"

"An accomplished all-around athlete who was an All-State basketball choice as a junior (the only non-senior chosen) in 2002-03...Averaged 22.7 points (fourth best in Colorado) and led the state in rebounding (16.0 per game) and blocked shots (3.3 per game) as a junior...Also competed in track and field, qualifying for the state meet in the discus and shot put in 2003...His track and field personal bests included 21'0" in the long jump, 48'1" in the shot put, 135'0" in the discus, and 44'2" in the triple jump."

[Laxpunk2006]

Way too much stock is put into 40 times so this shouldn't rule Campbell out completely. However he is steadily working his way out of the first round. So far he's coming off a very unimpressive season, and has basically skipped all pre-draft functions up untill now. A 5.00 40 is extremely poor for a DE, but some guys just don't time well. Anquan Boldin dropped into the second round because of a bad 40, it happens every year. Normally this is where you would say okay, so what am I seeing on film? The problem here is CC had a bad season, so you don't have much positive to look back on without going back to his sophmore year.


I don't think this 40 time really tells us much about CC. What's going to be important is his pro day at Miami. He should be much more comfortorable there and if he's smart he will participate in all of the drills. He had a chance to shoot up draft boards if he could have blown scouts away with the workout everyone knows he is capable of. I'm more interested to see how he does in the interviewing process. Does he have an explaination for his lack of production?

I no longer think CC is the top pick at #21, not just for the 40 time but the fact he isn't doing anything to help himself. This could all change after his Pro Day, but as of now it looks like he is sliding.

[deejaydana]

much ado about nothing. A DE doesn't need to be a track star...

[SKINS FAN #56]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

So true!

[Laron Burgundy]

Really now I'm psyched that we have a chance at this guy in the 2nd round. Frees up our first pick for Brandon Albert.

[Peregrine]

If you listen to the evaluators at the combine, they talk about 40 technique. Apparently its very important to practice the 40 and use the proper technique, because even if you are fast, you will put up a slow time. There is something seriously wrong with that. I know if im an NFL exec, im not about to put an arbitrary irrelevant event(that has nothing to do with football) anywhere near the persons playing career. If a person plays 30 games in college, hes not about to suddenly change based on two 40 yard dashes at the combine. If he was bad before, hes still going to be bad. If he was good before, hes still going to be good.

[The_cavalierman]

What is the big deal with this guy?

[Oldskool]

just saw on NFL network calais campbell ran a 5.03...this might ensure he's there when we pick, but its also somewhat alarming to me...that's pretty slow

Considering that NT Ellis ran a 5.00/40 it only proves my point that Campbell is not starting NFL DE material. He's a tweener 1 gap DT/DE.

[Oldskool]

For all of you that believe that 40 speed and speed in and of itself has nothing to do with sacks in the NFL, you need to watch this.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=En6cTw1nGSo

A DE needs 1.5 seconds or less to get to a QB around a stationary tackling dummy to disrupt a QB on a 3 step drop.

Start watching the video at 4.25 minutes.

[Veretax]

The way they are talking about Glenn Dorsey right now he might fall down the chart too

[gutlead74]

CC is a bust , count it. For me it has not much to do with 40 time, i have just watched him play.

[gutlead74]

The way they are talking about Glenn Dorsey right now he might fall down the chart toonow that would be awesome, he flat dominates inside

[eagleskins]

This would be a horrible pick. The guy isn't a good athlete. Chris Long is the best athlete I've seen at the combine so far. We need to seriously look at trading up somehow to get him

[jivelikenice]

CC reminds me a bit too much of a poor man's Jamal Anderson. Jamal Anderson was 6'6, 280 pounds, had trouble with his strength, and ran a pedestrian 40. The results?? ZERO SACKS!! Stay away from CC....

[squatch66]

i watched the highlights of the defensive ends on nfl.com and derrick harvey looked pretty good. i havent seen any of merling so i cant make a decision. i would take dorsey if he falls and depending on how the wide recievers are looking i would take campbell if he falls into the second. think how beastly a line we would have with carter, montgomery, dorsey, and daniels/campbell would be.

[turbodiesel#44]

This would be a horrible pick. The guy isn't a good athlete. Chris Long is the best athlete I've seen at the combine so far. We need to seriously look at trading up somehow to get himNo chance. Long is probably top 5, maybe even 1st.

[Doctor ToughLove]

Not big on 40 times. More concerned Calias Cambells has been living off his size in college. More physical specimen than polished skills. I usually prefer the opposite, more polished skills than physical specimen.

[frommd]

Do you care what Dexter Manley or Charles Mann's 40-time was?

Me neither.

Dexter was the fastest player on the team until they drafted Darrell Green.

[A Skinhead in Saints Land]

I watched him run the drills and he was stiff as a board. I'm not sold on this guy.

[DGreen1]

I believe we need guys with talent and ability, not potential and flash. After our recent years I'm willing to take a D Lineman that's 6'0 200 as long as he can generate a pash rush!

[MWCREDSKINS]

I'm kind of souring on Campbell after seeing his physique. I don't know, but we really need a pass rusher. I'd be open to trading down to the mid 20's to try and grab Quentin Groves. I need to see game tape of Campbell play but he might be too tall

[Fletch_Lives59]

40 times for lineman are pretty stupid if you ask me. and nightbird is correct, when was the last time you saw a 280 pound lineman bolting around?

if you are basing your draft pick on their 40 time then we're screwed either way..it's alot different when you have a pads on and a ball in your hand..

Hey my neighbor runs a 4.3 40 time and throws a football like Lamar from Revenge of the Nerds, does anyone think we should let him tryout???

[SKOALSKIN]

just saw on NFL network calais campbell ran a 5.03...this might ensure he's there when we pick, but its also somewhat alarming to me...that's pretty slow

You mean when we pick in the third round? This guy sounds worse and worse every time I read about him. He's got all the physical skills but cant break 5 on the 40. Couple that with a crappy Junior season and what has been described as a winded and un inspired workout. You have all the makings of a short NFL Career.

[Titaw]

What alarmed me was the fact that he did not look athletic enough to play football. In most of his drills he looked like a fish out of water. He was lumbering around, running way too upright. In my eyes he looked way too stiff. He more than likely slipped way down most draft boards. I would not be surprised if he slipped to the late 2nd, early 3rd round. He definately did not look like 1st round talent to me.

[Oldskool]

Here's the full results on the DE/DT workouts in the combine

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/combineDL.html

[Laxpunk2006]

Here's the full results on the DE/DT workouts in the combine

http://www.footballsfuture.com/2008/combineDL.html

Somewhat shocking to see how many other kids ran 5.00+. Although none of them were as highly acclaimed as CC. As I said earlier, this doesn't rule him out for me but it definitely drops him down the list. It's not so much that he isn't fast but more than he isn't putting the work in to show up. At least with a workout warrior you know you have somebody that is willing to work and to learn. Seeing someone show up out of shape lets you know they think they're going to get by on physical talent alone. That doesn't work in the NFL because everyone is big, everyone is strong, and everyone is fast.

[generals01]

Heres a recap on CC from Sports Illustrated who has him as a "slider" following his combine.

Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/02/25/combine.dl/index.html

This was the first mention I had seen of his terrible bench performance. 16 is flat out awful. Not only is it the lowest of the DL but at a quick glance it seems to be in the lower half of the WR's who benched. Eddie Royal, who is 5'8, 184 lbs benched 24 times.

[UltimateSkins]

Campbell is coming across as lazy. I think we should avoid him.

[turbodiesel#44]

It's going to be tough for CC to employ his "elite" skills if he can't catch anybody to employ them on. 16 reps for a DL? What was his excuse?

[Oldskool]

Heres a recap on CC from Sports Illustrated who has him as a "slider" following his combine.

Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/02/25/combine.dl/index.html

This was the first mention I had seen of his terrible bench performance. 16 is flat out awful. Not only is it the lowest of the DL but at a quick glance it seems to be in the lower half of the WR's who benched. Eddie Royal, who is 5'8, 184 lbs benched 24 times.

To me Campbell slid to the 2nd round with his combine workout result.

If he has any chance to be taken in the 1st round, he'd better have a hell of an individual workout.

[Laron Burgundy]

Campbell is definitely a late 2nd rounder at best as it stands now. I wouldn't take bench reps too seriously, tall players usually have problems getting a ton of reps. He is not a physical speciman like mario williams though. I still wouldn't mind if we drafted calais, but with our 2nd rounder at best. I think he's a guy who could end up being a very good de if he were properly motivated.

[alwaysaskin]

I think it was Mayock who questioned Campbell's technique, if he has raw technique he could get manhandled off the line by veteran OT's. Just say no to Balmer, he's got first round bust written all over him. I'd rather get Jonny Dingle at this point, a nice 40 time and at the middle of the pack in the BP. We should look at WR with our #1

[TheREALJBird]

Damn I was high on the guy but his performance was downright awful. He had better turn some heads at Miami's pro day if he wants to stay afloat as a 1st round possibility. That being said if he slid to the 2nd round where we pick I'd absolutely take him

[turbodiesel#44]

I think he's a guy who could end up being a very good de if he were properly motivated.If the thought of a very lucrative NFL career as a high pick didn't motivate him to train himself to be faster or stronger than he showed, what do you think will motivate him?

[Laron Burgundy]

If the thought of a very lucrative NFL career as a high pick didn't motivate him to train himself to be faster or stronger than he showed, what do you think will motivate him?

A lot of people like the idea of losing weight but sometimes that isn't enough to motivate them to actually doing it. It is probably a weak work ethic. There is a reason people hire personal trainers and that nfl teams have strength and conditioning coaches. Some people need outside motivation to reach their goals.

[kansas-redskin]

you can keep the forty and the other goofy drills, I'll take the hustle and mean streak

[chaught76]

you can keep the forty and the other goofy drills, I'll take the hustle and mean streak

A 5 second forty doesn't mean jack at this position, at least to. A 16 rep bench press does.

I guess a fast 40 time would be useful for getting off the ground quickly to get into your pursuit angle. What good is hustle and a mean streak when you get pancaked every play?

To the poster, I am not trying to pick on you. I just think this combine has exposed Campbell as a bust and like others have said, unless he has the most unbelieve pro day at the U; his performance at combine just moved into the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft.

[FrFan]

Calais Campbell, Miami: Campbell's struggles continue, as he capped a mediocre junior season with a poor combine. He measured just over 6-7 1/2 and 290 pounds, yet completed a measly 16 reps on the bench -- worst of any defensive linemen who participated. Campbell then ran his 40s near the 5.1 mark and looked winded at the end of the practice session.
Link (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/football/nfl/02/25/combine.dl/index.html)

[generals01]

I wouldn't take bench reps too seriously, tall players usually have problems getting a ton of reps.

I considered this since with longer arms they have to push it up much further but then I saw James Hardy who is 6'6 and weighs 218 and ran the 40 in the 4.4's and even he beat CC with 18 reps.

I think Calais is definitely out of 1st round, probably not even going to be an early 2nd rounder unless he has a fantastic pro day. These combine numbers do relate to performance when they are this bad. A weak, slow DE is never going to beat an OL who is the same speed but much stronger. Not to mention it shows a lack of work ethic

[EliMustDie28]

I watched him run the drills and he was stiff as a board. I'm not sold on this guy.

i was waiting for someone to comment on this. he has horrible footwook. i like trevor laws but he will probably be gone b4 21.

[RedskinDan0557]

Rodgers-Cromartie is the way to go with our #1. Calais has bust written all over him.

[eagleskins]

I wouldn't use our 3rd rounder on this guy if he falls. He is going to get MANHANDLED in the NFL by left tackles.

[EliMustDie28]

Rodgers-Cromartie is the way to go with our #1. Calais has bust written all over him.


With the way he is tearing it up he could be the first corner off the board. Not likely but we would be lucky if he falls to us.

Cromartie that is.

[Oldskool]

Rodgers-Cromartie is the way to go with our #1. Calais has bust written all over him.

Yeah having 1st round picks in your secondary and a D-line that can't rush the passer is the way to build a defense.

Works wonders for Denver..

Oh, wait. It hasn't! :laugh:

[VuV]

I doubt it will be an issue.

How often during a game does a 280-pound DE take his pads off and run full speed ahead unimpeded for 40 yards?

Where's the combine drill for "beating the tackle in front of you and obliterating the qb"?

Are you kidding???

How about every time he is running toward the sideline after a qb???

Notice that guys like Ware, Peppers, Etc. run QB's down from behind. At a 5.03 this guy couldn't even catch Jared Lorenzen from behind.

After posting this kind of cheese he may be available when we pick in the 3rd round.