if we really got out of the cap...

[downbeat87]

do you think we could simply buy a sb?

with unlimited options or whatever you want to call it, what do you think the redskins would really do? (twas talked about on riggo today or yesterday i believe)

how do you all think the cowboys-redskins rivalry would be then?!?

[inmate running the asylum]

do you think we could simply buy a sb?

with unlimited options or whatever you want to call it, what do you think the redskins would really do? (twas talked about on riggo today or yesterday i believe)

how do you all think the cowboys-redskins rivalry would be then?!?

Your topic is fine, but your thread title is misleading or at least confusing. The thread would create more interest, if you entitled it something like: "Can the Redskins or Snyder ever buy a Super Bowl?" Just a helpful suggestion. :2cents:

[SkinSabbath]

Dan Snyder VS Jerry Jones = Yankees V Red Sox (in baseball terms)

An uncapped league means championships for the richest teams...

$$ = best players. In my opinion, that removes the strategy required to own a team.

[SkinSabbath]

No salary cap would also create a HUGE disparity of wealth in the league... The richest teams would basically be in a "league of their own." And even though the Redskins would be in the upper echelon of the wealthy teams, disparity is not something I look forward to.

Think about it: If we were uncapped THIS YEAR, the Redskins would get Chad Johnson, Lance Briggs, Marcus Trufant, Randy Moss, Zach Thomas, and every other free agent worth consideration... IMO that is NOT how the league should operate.

Without the cap, the NFL would NOT be competitive, and would become just as boring as baseball...

[downbeat87]

well its how it was back in the true glory days. im all for it. this is professional football, and teams should be aloud to try all they can to win... esp with all the money flying around the nfl.

[inmate running the asylum]

Without the cap, the NFL would NOT be competitive, and would become just as boring as baseball...

Hmm. Is that why baseball is really boring? Funny, when I got out of high school and quit playing baseball myself, I found it very boring to watch on TV, whether it was competitive or not.

[bedlamVR]

well its how it was back in the true glory days. im all for it. this is professional football, and teams should be aloud to try all they can to win... esp with all the money flying around the nfl.

The true glory days? You mean when the NFL lagged behind the collage game in popularity and baseball was Americas game ? The days when games would be cut short by networks to show re runs of feature films? When the Superbowl was rarely nationalized, let alone shown over the world ?

The 1980s were great .. there was a hand full of teams who could win games it was great for us because we were one of the handful of teams but in the 80s the Squire often threatened to move the franchise out of DC because they were struggling financially .

If the NFL is such a bad model why are other sports such as soccer, rugby etc etc moving closer and closer the the closed league salary capped model that we want to get rid of?

I am not sure there was this much money flying around and there was not the massive disparity in team incomes . At the moment the Redskins are turning over twice the money as the next nearest rival and some teams even make a loss .

With no cap there is no revenue sharing and some very historic teams WILL fold, franchises will be moving every other year. With no CBA there is no universal TV coverage, some teams may sign exclusive deals with clashing networks so you may not be able to watch say the Redskins Cowboys games in Washington. Without the cap there will be no such thing as "free" agency as the good teams will tie up the best players to lifetime contracts and the poor teams will become nothing but feeders .


There is also the possibility of strikes and lock out all of which play into the hands of any start up league and if the NFL lets something like the USFL take hold by giving the fans what they really want close competitive football between even teams rather than the weekly blowout of the super rich over those scrapping for survival then eventually it will be a slow lingering death for leauge and within maybe 20 years the Redskins, Cowboys etc etc will just be names in History .

This push to leave the CBA behind is driven by greed pure and simple, and most notably the greed of one Jerrah Jones. My belief is that this posturing will lead to a reworking rather than an abandonment of the cap with less revenue sharing, particularity to the NFLPA. What i think is interesting is the big revenue teams were the drivers to get the new deal a couple of years ago where as it was the small market teams dragging their heals, so you have to hope that the owners see the value of competitive compelling football in terms of the bottom line .

[Fan since a Fetus]

Hmm. Is that why baseball is really boring? Funny, when I got out of high school and quit playing baseball myself, I found it very boring to watch on TV, whether it was competitive or not.

I stopped playing baseball about the same time Angelos bought the O's. One of the two killed my interest in the game. I find the game incredibly boring these days. I would rather watch basketball, and I find that boring also.

[Fan since a Fetus]

I know the Skins will be able to buy anyone in uncapped football. However, I do not think this is in the league's best interest. I really enjoy the salary cap these days. Even if the Skins are not dominate. It really forces teams to compete and it handcuffs other teams from buying everyone great. It just makes the game interesting.

I think the salary cap is one of the main reasons the NFL has done so well over the last several years. It keeps fans of team, without owners who spend, interested in the season because their team always has a chance.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I disagree with that premise

One, each team has a budget, no matter how much money they make. Granted the Redskins could have a higher budget, but I have a sneaking suspicion that Six Flags' stock falling, and the Redskins suddenly staying out of the FA market are somehow related

These teams will still make hand over fist, and in baseball in the past few years small market teams have been competitive

Chemistry and intangibles still matter

[dfbovey]

Other teams wouldn't have a cap either.

Problem isn't the cap anyway, it's who they choose to spend the money on.

[revallenjr]

No salary cap would also create a HUGE disparity of wealth in the league... The richest teams would basically be in a "league of their own." And even though the Redskins would be in the upper echelon of the wealthy teams, disparity is not something I look forward to.

Think about it: If we were uncapped THIS YEAR, the Redskins would get Chad Johnson, Lance Briggs, Marcus Trufant, Randy Moss, Zach Thomas, and every other free agent worth consideration... IMO that is NOT how the league should operate.

Without the cap, the NFL would NOT be competitive, and would become just as boring as baseball...

There are a couple of flaws in that assumption. Other teams like Dallas, Miami, New York, New England, want to win also, so I don't think that it is a guarentee that we are able to get those guys. Secondly Chad Johnson is not a FA. We would not be trading our future away, when we could possibly just pay to get a FA in here just as good.

[kvarlo12000]

Uncapped football would not be as fun as it is t now. Teams would not be able to go from worst to first.

[Cowboy8467]

I think that everybody is forgetting about Paul Allen, owner of the Seattle Seahawks. He dwarfs the rest of the owners in terms of wealth, with $18,000,000,000. The Seahags would be champions year in and year out, forget about the Cowboys and Redskins :laugh:

[Gary Clark Fan]

No, b/c we will still have the same clowns calling the shots in the front office.....this management will never figure out how to win unless they man up and hire a gm........

[coyote4848]

If that happened, there would be only 20 - 25 teams left in the league......teams like Buffalo, Jacksonville, Carolina and Texans couldn't compete.

[SkinsHokieFan]

I think that everybody is forgetting about Paul Allen, owner of the Seattle Seahawks. He dwarfs the rest of the owners in terms of wealth, with $18,000,000,000. The Seahags would be champions year in and year out, forget about the Cowboys and Redskins :laugh:


No owner will spend one dime of his personal money on player salaries

None do, none have in this day and age of multiple revenue sources

Paul Allen will not be giving out 1 billion dollar contracts

[scottishskinsfan]

Soccer is my first sport and over here in Scotland, two teams dominate the league year in, year out. No other team stands a hope in hell of winning the league and it doesn't make for interesting viewing.

Part of the draw to the NFL for me is that unpredictability that comes from any team being able to turn from the worst to the best in a matter of a few years, that's entirely down to the cap.

Even if we did win the SB almost every year, I just couldn't enjoy it and the achievement certainly wouldn't be the same.

[kuraitengai]

ok, didnt want to start a new thread when i could just put this question in here...

but everyone is talking about 2011 and being an uncapped year. instead of going out and spending big bucks on all the big named FAs to try to buy a super bowl, could we use the uncapped year as a way to get out of our perennial cap hell?

the thread in around the nfl where the bucs are 44 million under the cap and there was rumor that they would sign asante samuel and give him a huge roster bonus (around 20 million) this year since they have to much cap space. that would make the following years of his contract much lower in regards to the cap hit.

so the question is could the redskins do something similar in the uncapped year? assuming snyder doesnt magically fix everything before then. could we convert all the guaranteed money for the high-priced contracts already on the books to roster bonuses that year? then the players still get the same amount of money, but their future cap hits are remarkably lower. in doing that, could we get out of our cap hell and be more like the teams that are 20-40 million under the cap?

[SkinSabbath]

There are a couple of flaws in that assumption. Other teams like Dallas, Miami, New York, New England, want to win also, so I don't think that it is a guarentee that we are able to get those guys. Secondly Chad Johnson is not a FA. We would not be trading our future away, when we could possibly just pay to get a FA in here just as good.

If there were no cap, the Bengals would not have to take a 10 mil cap hit by trading him.

Hence, we would get him if there were no cap.

[kansas-redskin]

Without the cap, the NFL would NOT be competitive, and would become just as boring as baseball...[/QUOTE]........I agree completely and to be perfectly honest, miss the days when we KNEW our team and they stayed OUR team. Never been a big free agency guy. Took us awhile to get to the SB but it was guys who were "Redskins" and now it's just hired guns.

[truskinsfan18]

NO, you simly cannot "buy" a Super Bowl team. To win you need chemistry between the players and good coaching. You can have all the superstars you want but if they can't play well together it wont matter.

[GoSkins8921]

Here's what I said about this in the Redskins Myspace group:

I think no salary cap would be retarded. It'd be like the MLB where teams are always trying to buy a championship(well Dan already does that, but it'd be even worse). Oh and for people that think this would be a huge advantage for us, there are lots of owners out there that are much richer than Dan.

[moviedude25]

The answer to this is NO. It would buy the Seahawks a Superbowl, Paul Allen owns

[squatch66]

snyder would treat the skins like a madden franchise with the cap turned off. hopefully he would show some restraint otherwise folks are going to be paying 50 bucks a beer to pay the salaries of the players.

[GoSkins8921]

The answer to this is NO. It would buy the Seahawks a Superbowl, Paul Allen owns

Yea he's got enough money that with no cap he could get any and every player he wanted. He's worth like 20x the next richest owner. ****, I bet he's worth as much as all of them combined, or pretty damn close.

[artmonkforHOF]

Dan Snyder VS Jerry Jones = Yankees V Red Sox (in baseball terms)

An uncapped league means championships for the richest teams...

$$ = best players. In my opinion, that removes the strategy required to own a team.

I dont think it does. You might have a roster filled with the most expensive players at each position but that does not mean they will play well together. Football is the ultimate team game and if you start bringing in players who are only looking to get paid and think of themselves first, I dont think you will have a good team. In fact the "best" Skins uncapped team could go 4-12 just as easily as it could go 12-4.

Look at other leagues that did not have a salary cap, like the old NHL. The Toronto Maple Leafs are a perfect study on this. After MLSE became the owners of the Leafs, there was no salary cap in the NHL. The leafs would sign a bunch of big name free agents every year and make as many deals as they could at the trade deadline. This went on for about 15 years and the Leafs did not even make it to the Eastern Confrence finals in any of those years. The leafs also got sucked in by a bunch of veterans who where good when they played with another team, but came to Toronto to relax and be close with family and never again achieve the levels of play they once had.

If you consitently overpay for players, your team will have the stigma of being future FA's ATM machine. The last reason you want any FA to sign with your team is so they can "get paid", because once they "get paid", they tend to stop doing the things that helped get them paid in the first place, like working hard to get better (see Brandon Llyod).

[artmonkforHOF]

NO, you simly cannot "buy" a Super Bowl team. To win you need chemistry between the players and good coaching. You can have all the superstars you want but if they can't play well together it wont matter.

Preach on! Let the Truth be heard! Amen.

[pjfootballer]

well its how it was back in the true glory days. im all for it. this is professional football, and teams should be aloud to try all they can to win... esp with all the money flying around the nfl.

In the 70's and 80's the TV deals were garbage and the NFL wasn't making alot of money. Once the billion dollar TV deals started rolling in, there had to be some sort of salary cap or certain teams could outbid other teams with their cash. Every team would get the same under the TV deal, but teams like the Redskins, Cowboys and Patriots make so much "Extra Money" through the franchise, that the Bengals, Bills and Packers could not match. Those teams were able to compete back then because there were no club seats, skyboxes or huge TV revenues.

[pjfootballer]

Look at other leagues that did not have a salary cap, like the old NHL. The Toronto Maple Leafs are a perfect study on this. After MLSE became the owners of the Leafs, there was no salary cap in the NHL. The leafs would sign a bunch of big name free agents every year and make as many deals as they could at the trade deadline. This went on for about 15 years and the Leafs did not even make it to the Eastern Confrence finals in any of those years. The leafs also got sucked in by a bunch of veterans who where good when they played with another team, but came to Toronto to relax and be close with family and never again achieve the levels of play they once had.



And then once the NHL switched to a salary cap, the Maple Leafs had to get rid of talent because they were so far over the cap. Now, they still can't get rid of some high priced players, because those vets have no trade clauses (Sundin) and they can't do like the Capitals did and hoard draft picks.

[coyote4848]

And then once the NHL switched to a salary cap, the Maple Leafs had to get rid of talent because they were so far over the cap. Now, they still can't get rid of some high priced players, because those vets have no trade clauses (Sundin) and they can't do like the Capitals did and hoard draft picks.

What is this NHL that you speak of?