Skins make offer to Frost and Fabini

[MWCREDSKINS]

Per Vinny on Redskin Radio. I don't mind Fabini back. He's a solid backup who can play 4 positions but I stress youth whether you keep Fabini or not

[Mackdaddydean]

Old news......

[Jimbo]

My guess would be vet minimum, screw the incentives.

[RDSCNZ20]

My guess would be vet minimum, screw the incentives.


"vet minimum" seems to be the phrase of the offseason...

[Recent Vintage]

It's the phrase of every off-season.

You don't recall every off-season on this board?


The auto-response to every single non-superstar player out there is "Vet-min + Incentives"

[SkinsGuy]

Frost was made a contract offer a while back by the Redskins.

He rejected it.

The Redskins invited hm to try FA to gauge his worth.

From what we know, he received little interest.

Though Denver may be interested now.

[dfbovey]

I'd lke to see Fabini go, get some young prospects at guard.

[Chump Bailey]

Per Vinny on Redskin Radio. I don't mind Fabini back. He's a solid backup who can play 4 positions but I stress youth whether you keep Fabini or not

I really do not see the need for Fabini unless there's no other option. The guy was terrible in run blocking and marginal in pass blocking. Hopefully Randy stays healthy all season.

[dfbovey]

I really do not see the need for Fabini unless there's no other option. The guy was terrible in run blocking and marginal in pass blocking. Hopefully Randy stays healthy all season.

The need would definitely be for back ups. And I think it's age that makes me scratch my head when it comes to Fabini. The fact that all of our starters are 30+ means that we should be targeting young backups, hopefully in the draft. Get some fresh blood that can hopefully beat Fabini out of a roster spot.

[dockeryfan]

Fabini was horrible last year, and I don't think that's an exaggeration at all. There were only a few bright spots to his entire season. He was one of the major reasons we lost in Seattle as well.

[RDSCNZ20]

It's the phrase of every off-season.

You don't recall every off-season on this board?


The auto-response to every single non-superstar player out there is "Vet-min + Incentives"


ES yes, but not from the Skins...

[RedskinsFanatic]

Frost was made a contract offer a while back by the Redskins.

He rejected it.

The Redskins invited hm to try FA to gauge his worth.

From what we know, he received little interest.

Though Denver may be interested now.


Please Denver..Puhleeeese :thumbsup:

[jrockster21]

Fabini is terrible. Please sign somewhere else, kthx.

[pjfootballer]

Did they get an offer that they....ummmm, Can't Refuse?

[heatman28]

Frost had a very good season and should be re-signed! What boggles me is that they re-signed Suisham instead of bringing in competion to compete against him...the guy is terrible! Fabini sucks...let him go!

[MWCREDSKINS]

First of all Suisham isn't terrible. He had several nice kicks and true some shanks but what better option was a freee agent besides Josh Brown. They'll likely bring in competition but Suisham had as good a season as a Skins kicker has in some time

[zskins]

Old news......

Pretty much!

[Never4get#21]

Im suprized at Suisham also there are a few good kickers in this draft.
Brandon Coutu, Georgia has a monster leg. Not consistent at times but just as consistent as Suisham.

Frost has become a good punter and should be resigned.

As for Fabini......no more. To much young talent in this draft.

[Hitman#21]

At first i didint care about these two but then i realized not only is Frost the punter hes also the holder and besides one bad bobble against the vikes he had a great season as holder. Fabini is also good deph.

[turbodiesel#44]

At first i didint care about these two but then i realized not only is Frost the punter hes also the holder and besides one bad bobble against the vikes he had a great season as holder. Fabini is also good deph.I'd rather have the #2 QB holding. Keeps other teams honest and gives an option for a trick. Frost was average and worth his pay, but if he gets uppity and leaves for more money, we would only be replacing an average punter.

[XtremeRedskins83]

Fabinin is a good two position backup for the o-line but do we really need Frost back? He is decent at times but more erratic than good. I thought getting a better punter on the roster would have been a need.

[downbeat87]

we let akers go and now hes awesome

keep swish!

but hopefully vinny is just being nice with the offers and frost and fabini arent coming back. id rather draft a punter in the late rounds and get albert.

[turbodiesel#44]

keep swish!

Swishy is already signed.

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Frost had a very good season and should be re-signed! What boggles me is that they re-signed Suisham instead of bringing in competion to compete against him...the guy is terrible! Fabini sucks...let him go!

Frost had an OK season. 21st in net average, Not so good in regular yards per punt either. While he is a good holder, he is a middle-of-the-pack punter.

Suisham actually had a good season. Made 82.9% of his field goals If I'm not mistaken. Those are great numbers.

[djotroy17]

Why can't we ever hold onto good kickers and punters, Frost is a top 10, maybe top 5 punter in the league and he is very young and would love to see the guy suit up with us for the next decade.

[turbodiesel#44]

Why can't we ever hold onto good kickers and punters, Frost is a top 10, maybe top 5 punter in the league and he is very young and would love to see the guy suit up with us for the next decade.??? How about showing us some of your numbers. Since you won't be able to do that, why don't you share some of the intangibles that would lead you to that conclusion. Can't do that either, huh?

[mi6]

Frost is an average punter. At times, his poor and erratic punting put the Skins iin a hole.

Time to see what's available in the draft.

[Peregrine]

Frost had a very good season and should be re-signed! What boggles me is that they re-signed Suisham instead of bringing in competion to compete against him...the guy is terrible! Fabini sucks...let him go!

:doh:

Frost had a great season? I hardly call ranking at the bottom of NFL punters in avg a great season. Suisham is terrible? I hardly call the second BEST season in Redskins history, by a kicker, terrible. Would you like to know the only year that a Redskins kicker was better than him? Mosely! When a kicker won the MVP award.

Sometimes what people post on here really makes me wonder....

Ok, all the time.

[Truant]

:doh:

Frost had a great season? I hardly call ranking at the bottom of NFL punters in avg a great season. Suisham is terrible? I hardly call the second BEST season in Redskins history, by a kicker, terrible. Would you like to know the only year that a Redskins kicker was better than him? Mosely! When a kicker won the MVP award.

Sometimes what people post on here really makes me wonder....

Ok, all the time.

I was losing hope in this thread until this post. :cheers:

Frost is erratic at best. Suisham, in his first full year of kicking, put up stats that we haven't seen from a Redskins kicker in more than 15 years.

Yes, he missed the playoff kick, but there were 16 other games in played in as well.


It's amazing with the revolving door at kicker that people aren't celebrating Suisham. Going into next year most teams would be very pleased if their kicker was going to kick better than 80%.

And he's young so he could get better. If he does we'd have one of the best kickers in the league.

[JLU44]

What's going on here? The Redskins take a backseat approach to Free Agency and now we have to hold our breath and see if Frost and Fabini return? I'm not as concerned about Jason Fabinin because he's just about done. But let's just say, Frost leaves, then what are our options? I don't understand this, but it wreaks something bad........Can you spell, D-Y-S-F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L ?

[turbodiesel#44]

What's going on here? The Redskins take a backseat approach to Free Agency and now we have to hold our breath and see if Frost and Fabini return? I'm not as concerned about Jason Fabinin because he's just about done. But let's just say, Frost leaves, then what are our options? I don't understand this, but it wreaks something bad........Can you spell, D-Y-S-F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L ?WTF? Here's Frosts rankings

Punts inside the 20- 16th
Avg Yd punt distance- 28th
Net Avg- 21st

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/stats

The guy is worth a minimum contract. Period. He is an average punter at best.

[SkinsMaster88]

What's going on here? The Redskins take a backseat approach to Free Agency and now we have to hold our breath and see if Frost and Fabini return? I'm not as concerned about Jason Fabinin because he's just about done. But let's just say, Frost leaves, then what are our options? I don't understand this, but it wreaks something bad........Can you spell, D-Y-S-F-U-N-C-T-I-O-N-A-L ?
What are our options??? Teams bring in multiple punters in the off-season if they don't have a reliable guy with them. There are plenty of former punters without a job that could compete. It's not like he has some special talent that can't be replaced. As posted above, Frost is below-average with some potential to become solid if he becomes more consistent (sounds kind of redundant...). Anyhow, there's nothing wrong with offering some base pay contracts to the free agents that have contributed to our team. If we get them back for vet. min fine, otherwise, not much of a loss.

[IronMike]

Why the hate for Suisham? He is a very good kicker. Yes, his kick-offs do not make the end-zone very often. But we pay him to make FGs. And he makes FGs! We give up too often and too early on kickers. Need I mention a certain kicker in Philly who we gave up on too early? I think his name is Akers. Duh! Love to have him kicking FGs for us!

:helmet:

[tex]

fabini was owned over and over last season. why is he even here?

[COWBOY-KILLA-]

I like that we will not commit ANY additional $ past the minimums to either of these guys. They are just guys that can be replaced pretty easily, at what we want to pay or cheaper. I appreciate Fabini for stepping in but would not really miss him. I wouldn't call Frost an asset in the kicking game either.

[clskinsfan]

How can anyone say Suisham sucks. The Guy made 3 game winning field goals last year. Including a 45 yarder in overtime. Give me a break. He's the best kicker we have had since Lohmiller.

[SonnyJ]

I guess I find it pretty amazing that so many here are convinced that Fabini is garbage.

Yet the team (and presumably Bugel is on-board), with its far greater knowledge of his performance and assignments, felt that he was worth making a contract offer to. Not to mention that he was adequate to start for just about the whole season.

Apparently, the team does not share the assessment that he is worthless. :no:

[RDSKNfaithfull]

I pray to god the Dolphins sign Fabini. While he may have been a smart vet he may have been the weakest Guard I have ever seen.

[Hitman#21]

I pray to god the Dolphins sign Fabini. While he may have been a smart vet he may have been the weakest Guard I have ever seen.

True, but all he is, is depth thats all.

[Chump Bailey]

I guess I find it pretty amazing that so many here are convinced that Fabini is garbage.

Yet the team (and presumably Bugel is on-board), with its far greater knowledge of his performance and assignments, felt that he was worth making a contract offer to. Not to mention that he was adequate to start for just about the whole season.

Apparently, the team does not share the assessment that he is worthless. :no:


I would agree with this most of time because we tend to make rash decisions regarding the players no matter who they are. In this case however I think it's warranted. I can recall at least two occasions this past season when Fabini was single-out on replay during the game getting absolutely destroyed at the point of attack on a rush play in the redzone - destroyed. They also showed another clip showing the difference when Heyer was run blocking and when Fabini was run blocking in a seperate game - It was Brain Baldinger I recall. Heyer was far superior.

Now I understand the oft used argument that the coaches know better than we, but sometimes they're wrong too. I think Bugel likes the guys attitude and work ethic but he is only there by default and desperation because they have no other option at present. I have little faith in the guy myself - also realizing full well that everyone struggles at times, even guys like Samuels. Fabini 'struggles' a bit too often IMO and is a definite liability. Now perhaps the guy was injured as was Wade and maybe we'll see a different guy this time around but still color me very skeptical regarding his abilities backup or otherwsie.

[SonnyJ]

I would agree with this most of time because we tend to make rash decisions regarding the players no matter who they are. In this case however I think it's warranted. I can recall at least two occasions this past season when Fabini was single-out on replay during the game getting absolutely destroyed at the point of attack on a rush play in the redzone - destroyed. They also showed another clip showing the difference when Heyer was run blocking and when Fabini was run blocking in a seperate game - It was Brain Baldinger I recall. Heyer was far superior.

Now I understand the oft used argument that the coaches know better than we, but sometimes they're wrong too. I think Bugel likes the guys attitude and work ethic but he is only there by default and desperation because they have no other option at present. I have little faith in the guy myself - also realizing full well that everyone struggles at times, even guys like Samuels. Fabini 'struggles' a bit too often IMO and is a definite liability. Now perhaps the guy was injured as was Wade and maybe we'll see a different guy this time around but still color me very skeptical regarding his abilities backup or otherwsie.

Well, I'm not going to defend Fabini as some world-beater, because he's not. I just seriously doubt that he is as bad as some people claim him to be.

I think you're trying to be reasonable here, but I disagree with your assertion that coaches or the FO can be wrong about his overall performance (if one assumes that they are objective in their evaluation). They have been evaluating his play, in practice and in games, in real-time and on film (repeatedly), since July. They are experienced professionals. I think the chances are pretty good that they have a good handle on what he can provide to the team. Based on that evaluation, they have determined that it is worthwhile to have Fabini compete for a roster spot (at a certain price).

Now, based on this, and the fact that the team saw fit to keep him in the lineup for the whole season, I don't think he was the disaster people here are making him out to be. If he was that bad, they could have found any # of bodies to come in and replace him. They could have said "So long" at the end of the season. No, they kept him in the lineup and invited him back for next season. There must be something redeeming in his play. He probably did get blown up on more than a couple of plays. I strongly suspect that he carried out his assignment adequately on most plays, though.

He's not a guy you want to be your starter. He provides serviceable depth. No team has an abundance of full-season quality starters serving as backups. They may have a couple here and there, but, for the most part, it's guys like Fabini - someone who can come in and hold the fort until the starter can go back in.

If having Fabini in a backup role is the weakest part of the team, I'd say the team is pretty good. :2cents: