One more chink in the Obama armor

[BigMike619]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday.

On Friday, the department revealed that Obama (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/barack_obama)'s passport file was improperly accessed three times this year, and the passport files of the two other major presidential candidates -- Democrat Hillary Clinton (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/hillary_clinton) and Republican John McCain (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/john_mccain) -- had also been breached
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This may not be something that he is directly responsible for and it may even be something that was done TO him. But what kind of people is this guy in bed with?

This is almost getting comical..

[Destino]

How closely related is the CEO to the employee? This looks like one hell of a stretch. Every company has had bad employees - it's why people get fired. You think Bill Gates is responsible if an employee of Microsoft does something stupid? Would you extend that responsibility to Bill's friends?!

[BigMike619]

How closely related is the CEO to the employee? This looks like one hell of a stretch. Every company has had bad employees - it's why people get fired. You think Bill Gates is responsible if an employee of Microsoft does something stupid? Would you extend that responsibility to Bill's friends?!

you should look at your contributors a little closer then he did obviously. this may not be as big a deal as the other stuff, but add it up with the other stuff and it just all looks shady.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

Boring.

...

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Obama hates white people. Obama is a muslim. Obama is a terrorist. Obama's contributor's can't manage their employees when they are at the State Department...

:doh:

Obama bashing is so annoying.

[BigMike619]

Boring.

...

not so boring that you couldnt post ;)

[SkinsOrlando]

And here I was thinking Obama's pastor went Asian bashing;)

[BigMike619]

Obama hates white people. Obama is a muslim. Obama is a terrorist. Obama's contributor's can't manage their employees when they are at the State Department...

:doh:

Obama bashing is so annoying.

Since when are true stories bashing? :doh:

[Om]

Mike,

It all only "adds up" and "looks shady" to those whose minds were made up long ago. Believe it or not, some people will actually be using both sides of their brains right up until the election. :)

[BigMike619]

Mike,

It all only "adds up" and "looks shady" to those whose minds were made up long ago. Believe it or not, some people will actually be using both sides of their brains right up until the election. :)

Wow, both sides huh? I will have to trust you've tried that a time or two then. ;)

It IS shady and it IS no longer a coincidence that all of these things that just happen to keep showing up that arent on the up and up keep happening to this guy. McCain isnt in the spotlight this much. Hillary isnt even in the spotlight as much.

You can believe what you want, but I will continue to believe what I see. :)

[Om]

Wow, both sides huh? I will have to trust you've tried that a time or two then. ;)

It IS shady and it IS no longer a coincidence that all of these things that just happen to keep showing up that arent on the up and up keep happening to this guy. McCain isnt in the spotlight this much. Hillary isnt even in the spotlight as much.

You can believe what you want, but I will continue to believe what I see. :)
I don't doubt it.

Me, I'll continue to take what I see, hear, feel and, most importantly, think, and put it all together a little further into year. Damn, guy, we're not even through preseason yet. :)

[BigMike619]

I don't doubt it.

Me, I'll continue to take what I see, hear, feel and, most importantly, think, and put it all together a little further into year. Damn, guy, we're not even through preseason yet. :)

Right and I didnt say I wouldnt either. Im just saying it seems kind of the norm now to find out something odd is going on that isnt on the up and up in the Obama camp.

This isnt a bashing thread, but let me ask everyone this: why is it so easy to think it is? If I made a thread about John Riggins you wouldnt assume it was negative and bashing.

Could it be that everyone is against Obama or could it be that Obama is doing many things that arent honest and therefore has that stigma attached now?

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Since when are true stories bashing? :doh:

Since you titled the thread "One more chink in the Obama armor."

:doh:

[BigMike619]

Since you titled the thread "One more chink in the Obama armor."

:doh:

Thats what I saw. You make a thread and you title it what you want.

[Om]

Mike,

Obama is the center of the storm. You can't turn on your TV, radio or computer without being bombarded by coverage of all things Obama.

McCain won the REP nomination. He won't be a story again until after the conventions, unless he does or says something stupid.

Clinton is a know quantity--and she's losing. There's no real demand for more news about her at the moment. Which of course will change should the DEM's find a way to nominate her, in which case it'll be all-Hillary-all-the-time.

Obama is the biggest story to come along at this level of politics in our lifetimes. I expect nothing less than to have his every body cavity inspected with electron microscopes by the media machine. You know what we're beginning to find out about the man right now? That he's actually a flesh and blood human being, with warts and all ... and a politician.

What we'll find OUT over the next few months in watching how he handles himself and who emerges around him as likely leadership in a potential administration, is what he's really made of and what kind of president he might make.

For me, he's just starting to become a real person, not the false image we've had of him until recently, the kind of 2-dimensional caricature we get of celebrities via today's multimedia.

[mjah]

it just all looks shady.
No, not really.

Let's see, someone looked at passport data illegally, against company rules (and Federal law). All involved parties were either fired or disciplined. Their former boss's boss's boss is a consultant to a political campaign. You're trying to tie that all together as a potentially conspiratorial act on behalf of the candidate in question.

Despite the fact that his passport data was also breached.

Three times.

Because apparently one breach wasn't enough for people working on behalf of the guy.

Riiiiiiiiiight.

If you applied the same standard to either Clinton or McCain -- and I doubt you will -- the full list of "shady" connections you'd dig up would form a web big enough and strong enough to stop a Mack truck dead in its tracks.

By the standards of national politics -- despite the wishful thinking and earnest digging of folks who obviously have a major agenda to push -- Obama is squeaky clean.

[BigMike619]

I dont need to apply any standards because the stuff they have going on isnt making front page headlines. I posted that he was breached 3 times in the opening comment so you didnt really shock me there.

The part that is shady is now his contributors are getting in trouble too. Yes I know Hillary has that too, but Obama was The Golden Child for a while and now that its coming down to the wire it seems his colors are coming out.

To me anyways..

[Dan T.]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday.

On Friday, the department revealed that Obama (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/barack_obama)'s passport file was improperly accessed three times this year, and the passport files of the two other major presidential candidates -- Democrat Hillary Clinton (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/hillary_clinton) and Republican John McCain (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/john_mccain) -- had also been breached
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This may not be something that he is directly responsible for and it may even be something that was done TO him. But what kind of people is this guy in bed with?

This is almost getting comical..

I hope you limbered up before typing this post, because with a stretch like that you're likely to pull a muscle. :rolleyes:

[BigMike619]

LOL...the Obama supporters are deep today!!

Good, I welcome all of it.

[btfoom]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/03/22/passport.files/index.html

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The CEO of a company whose employee is accused of improperly looking at the passport files of presidential candidates is a consultant to the Barack Obama campaign, a source said Saturday.

On Friday, the department revealed that Obama (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/barack_obama)'s passport file was improperly accessed three times this year, and the passport files of the two other major presidential candidates -- Democrat Hillary Clinton (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/hillary_clinton) and Republican John McCain (http://topics.cnn.com/topics/john_mccain) -- had also been breached
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This may not be something that he is directly responsible for and it may even be something that was done TO him. But what kind of people is this guy in bed with?

This is almost getting comical..

Man, this was quite a story when it was supposed that the 'Bush Administration' was responisble. Now that is shows badly on 'bama, see how his faithful defend him. Yeah, no story here (kind of like his Senate accomplishments).

[Zguy28]

I'm still trying to figure out why the folks had access to it if they didn't need it or weren't suppoe to have it.

What the heck kind of security model are they using? It sure isn't the principle of least privilege.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Thats what I saw. You make a thread and you title it what you want.

Hence the :doh:

You are supposed to use an accurate title and/or use the title of the article actually posted.

If you want to title it however you see it, don't act like you are just "posting facts."

[BigMike619]

Hence the :doh:

You are supposed to use an accurate title and/or use the title of the article actually posted.

If you want to title it however you see it, don't act like you are just "posting facts."

yap yap yap...you dont like it then dont read it.

I am not going to "change" or do anything just to please you. You wanna argue over this then take it to PM.

Some of us want to actually discuss this.

[WinSkins]

Wow, both sides huh? I will have to trust you've tried that a time or two then. ;)

It IS shady and it IS no longer a coincidence that all of these things that just happen to keep showing up that arent on the up and up keep happening to this guy. McCain isnt in the spotlight this much. Hillary isnt even in the spotlight as much.

You can believe what you want, but I will continue to believe what I see. :)

Isn't it tough to see through the eyelets on that hood ;)

[BigMike619]

Isn't it tough to see through the eyelets on that hood ;)

is that a joke like Im a racist?

[TheSteve]

I didn't see the big deal when this was first reported and I don't see the big deal now. Some curious fools had access to confidential information and obviously couldn't handle that responsibility. Story over.

Saying this reflects poorly on Obama is like saying that if I had a friend whos friend's friend committed a crime that I must be suspect because I associate with criminals.

[BigMike619]

I didn't see the big deal when this was first reported and I don't see the big deal now. Some curious fools had access to confidential information and obviously couldn't handle that responsibility. Story over.

Saying this reflects poorly on Obama is like saying that if I had a friend whos friend's friend committed a crime that I must be suspect because I associate with criminals.

I dont agree with that. I think that he has made poor choices when it comes to who he accepts money and advice from. I am not saying that he is involved with this at all, I am merely stating that I believe that Obama is either really clueless as to what is going on around him or he just doesnt care enough to tighten it up...

[WinSkins]

is that a joke like Im a racist?

It's a question? If you don't wish to answerit, then consider it rhetorical.
You've clearly decided you are not going to vote for Senator Obama. You've chosen to start a thread postulating an extremely dubious and farfetched conspiracy theory. You expect reasonable folks to take this seriously? :D

[BigMike619]

It's a question? If you don't wish to answerit, then consider it rhetorical.
You've clearly decided you are not going to vote for Senator Obama. You've chosen to start a thread postulating an extremely dubious and farfetched conspiracy theory. You expect reasonable folks to take this seriously? :D

What was that comment about? Dont back track now man, you said it now explain it.

[WinSkins]

is that a joke like Im a racist?

It's a question? If you don't wish to answer it, then consider it rhetorical.
You've clearly decided you are not going to vote for Senator Obama. You've chosen to start a thread postulating an extremely dubious and farfetched conspiracy theory. You expect reasonable folks to take this seriously? :D

Figured I'd repeat it like we did when we trained troopers in the army.

It's a question? If you don't wish to answer it, then consider it rhetorical.
You've clearly decided you are not going to vote for Senator Obama. You've chosen to start a thread postulating an extremely dubious and farfetched conspiracy theory. You expect reasonable folks to take this seriously? :D

[BigMike619]

It's a question? If you don't wish to answer it, then consider it rhetorical.
You've clearly decided you are not going to vote for Senator Obama. You've chosen to start a thread postulating an extremely dubious and farfetched conspiracy theory. You expect reasonable folks to take this seriously? :D

Figured I'd repeat it like we did when we trained troopers in the army.

It's a question? If you don't wish to answer it, then consider it rhetorical.
You've clearly decided you are not going to vote for Senator Obama. You've chosen to start a thread postulating an extremely dubious and farfetched conspiracy theory. You expect reasonable folks to take this seriously? :D

For someone that is supposed to be 55 you are acting like a child. I may come across as stubborn and sometimes a little pigheaded but for you to make a racist comment like that is crazy and unwelcomed. Those who know me on here know that I am not that kind of person either.

Second off, if you ask a question the put a ? at the end of it.

[Jumbo]

LOL...the Obama supporters are deep today!!

Good, I welcome all of it.

I don't think they are all Obama supporters.


Like me, some may just want to stop by to give another deserving partisan hack type of political thread one of these :doh: :D




But its keeping you off the streets and active in your countries business, so that's good. :laugh:



Actually, dude, this is what I would call a reach of Reed Richard porportions, just so I offer something specifcally on topic. I think the "colors" you speak of that you see being revealed are pretty mild to date, even to the degree they actually stick. I also think, from your posts, you weren't for the guy to begin with and are looking for almost anything you can find to talk him down. That's "typical" :silly: . And I actually expect much worse ahead. So pace yourself. Hell, the GOP media agents worked to get the Clintons posed as murderers. :laugh:

Make no mistake however, if the guy in the article was attached to Hiilary or McCain, someone would have posted it. Now how they titled it, or where they tried to take it would be up to conjecture. :)


BTW, just so you don't land in NNT someday again, you may want to familiarize yourself with the rule on accurate titles, just for the future. It's looser in the tailgate, but still counts. I think this one's fine. It's lets everyone know who you are. :silly: :cheers:

Now where can I get a Hillary-shaped cornflake.....



<edit--I wrote this before seeing a little temper flaring up in the thread, so hopefully that's passed>

[Destino]

LOL...the Obama supporters are deep today!!

Good, I welcome all of it.
Deep what? The only thing in this thread that looks deep to me is the BS your pouring into it. The CEO works with Obama. An employee of his company took a look at Obama's records illegaly and was canned for his trouble.

What exactly is Obama's problem with any of this. The fact that he works with a guy, that heads up a company, that hired a guy, that broke the rules, and was fired. That's trouble for Obama?! lol okay.. :doh: :laugh:

Next you'll tell me Obama lived in a house that was built from wood from a tree that was cut down by some guy that cheated on his wife. ON HIS WIFE?! OMG OBAMA!!!

[Larry]

If I made a thread about John Riggins you wouldnt assume it was negative and bashing.

I would if the subject of your thread were "the guy who broke into John Riggins' car and tried to steal the radio once worked for a company that had a manager who once attended a Redskins game that Riggins played in."

Especially if you then tried to claim that the reason you posted this stunning information was because you have come to the dispassionate, logical conclusion that this means that Riggins might somehow be involved in breaking into his own car.

[btfoom]

Isn't it tough to see through the eyelets on that hood ;)

So, which type of Kool-Aid do you prefer, Orange or Grape??? (Le me know if I need to 'splain this to all you libs?)

[btfoom]

Deep what? The only thing in this thread that looks deep to me is the BS your pouring into it. The CEO works with Obama. An employee of his company took a look at Obama's records illegaly and was canned for his trouble.

What exactly is Obama's problem with any of this. The fact that he works with a guy, that heads up a company, that hired a guy, that broke the rules, and was fired. That's trouble for Obama?! lol okay.. :doh: :laugh:

Next you'll tell me Obama lived in a house that was built from wood from a tree that was cut down by some guy that cheated on his wife. ON HIS WIFE?! OMG OBAMA!!!

The problem, Dest, is that while it was assumed by all of the libs (and the left-wing media) that it was part of the Bush Admin who had done this, the out-cry was huge (kind of like the Marine/puppy fake video). Now that it connects back to Obama, all of his supporters stop acting like this was the second coming of the inquisition and ask questions like "What exactly is Obama's problem with any of this.". Make up your minds, either an act is devious, politically motivated, and the 'leader' is to blame, or it is no big deal the the leader is clearly insulated. Can't have it both ways.

[BigMike619]

I don't think they are all Obama supporters.


Like me, some may just want to stop by to give another deserving partisan hack type of political thread one of these :doh: :D




But its keeping you off the streets and active in your countries business, so that's good. :laugh:



Actually, dude, this is what I would call a reach of Reed Richard porportions, just so I offer something specifcally on topic. I think the "colors" you speak of that you see being revealed are pretty mild to date, even to the degree they actually stick. I also think, from your posts, you weren't for the guy to begin with and are looking for almost anything you can find to talk him down. That's "typical" :silly: . And I actually expect much worse ahead. So pace yourself. Hell, the GOP media agents worked to get the Clintons posed as murderers. :laugh:

Make no mistake however, if the guy in the article was attached to Hiilary or McCain, someone would have posted it. Now how they titled it, or where they tried to take it would be up to conjecture. :)


BTW, just so you don't land in NNT someday again, you may want to familiarize yourself with the rule on accurate titles, just for the future. It's looser in the tailgate, but still counts. I think this one's fine. It's lets everyone know who you are. :silly: :cheers:

Now where can I get a Hillary-shaped cornflake.....



<edit--I wrote this before seeing a little temper flaring up in the thread, so hopefully that's passed>

Well I hope nobody took when I said "chink" as anything but as what it was meant, a chink in his armor. That was NOT anything racial.

NNT? I would get it honestly if I wrote something crazy or off the wall but after some of the crazy titles I have seen posted on here I would consider this one to be pretty tame and actually to the point when you have my vision of it. And a few others who are able to see it for what it is too ;) .

I hope this lets everyone know who I am. I am someone that likes to discuss things from every angle. I am not anti-Obama, I am not pro-McCain..I am just posting stuff that I find interesting and that could spark a nice debate. When it turns into "eyelids in my hood" is when I draw the line and wonder why that is.

Im sure you see this as a Reed Richards stretch and think that I have lost my mind...its not the first time you've thought that Im sure :laugh: . But I believe that he has shady people advising and now contributing to his campaign and it was something I wanted to address. And honestly it has been the front story on CNN all day..cant be reaching that far now can I? ;)

Those who merely stop by to give me the :doh: are the ones I find the most amusing actually. I have tried to get each of them to speak to me and I try to hold myself to a respectable manner.

Jumbo, I love this reply. I really do. :cheers: You remind me that not everyone is going to see eye to eye with me and I welcome that. Heck man, I welcome it even more sometimes then those who do because it helps to educate me. When done properly and not with :doh: 's

[Teller]

Isn't it tough to see through the eyelets on that hood ;)

As someone who's put up with more than his fair share of baseless racist accusations, why don't you post just one racist comment Mike's EVER made on this board. Just one.

Deliberately inflammatory accusations like this are a crutch for people who are incapable of making a logical argument, or dealing in any kind of factual basis.

It's my opinion, and not just because Mike's a friend, that an apology is probably in order.

[Jumbo]

You remind me that not everyone is going to see eye to eye with me and I welcome that. Heck man, I welcome it even more sometimes then those who do because it helps to educate me. When done properly and not with :doh: 's

Glad you took it in the spirit meant--straightforward with a little jabbing, but not hostile. You'll never go wrong when your feet are planted firmly on that ground (as often as possible:silly: )

[BigMike619]

Glad you took it in the spirit meant--straightforward with a little jabbing, but not hostile. You'll never go wrong when your feet are planted firmly on that ground (as often as possible:silly: )

maaaaaaaaaan...you have mentored me WAY TOO much for me to get all butt-hurt over anything you say. :D

Thanks HH..I can appreciate you saying that.

[Burgold]

Dark Helmet: [mask down] Not so fast, Lone Starr.
Lone Starr: Helmet. So, at last we meet for the first time for the last time. [thinks about what he said] Yeah.
Dark Helmet: Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Starr.
Lone Starr: What?
Dark Helmet: I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate.
Lone Starr: What's that make us?
Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing.

[mjah]

So, which type of Kool-Aid do you prefer, Orange or Grape??? (Le me know if I need to 'splain this to all you libs?)
I have no trouble believing you're a Kool-Aid authority.

[BigMike619]

Dark Helmet: [mask down] Not so fast, Lone Starr.
Lone Starr: Helmet. So, at last we meet for the first time for the last time. [thinks about what he said] Yeah.
Dark Helmet: Before you die, there is something you should know about us, Lone Starr.
Lone Starr: What?
Dark Helmet: I am your father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate.
Lone Starr: What's that make us?
Dark Helmet: Absolutely nothing.

http://ratonland.org/img/articles/bunny-pancake.gif

[Prosperity]

pretty much a non story here

[Burgold]

You are saying that Obama is at fault for someone invading his privacy. You are further suggesting that it is a dark mark against his character despite the fact that he didn't do it, didn't authorize it (and could get no conceiveable advantage for doing so) and didn't even know about it until the story broke. Further, this was not a deed done by an employee of Obama, nor a Obama contributor do it, but an employee of a contributor.

Or

To put it in Spaceballize, the dastardly villian of this story is Obama's "father's brother's nephew's cousin's former room-mate." and what does relationship does that make the contributor's fired employee to Obama?



Absolutely nothing.

:D

[BigMike619]

yaaaaaaaaaaawwwnnnn...you people can re-read my posts if you want. Im going to get beer and follow Jumbo around for a while. :D

[mjah]

The month of March, and ill-advised threads.

They come in like a lion, and go out like a lamb.

[Teller]

Hypocrisy, served up in heapin' helpins! :cheers:

[BigMike619]

The month of March, and ill-advised threads.

They come in like a lion, and go out like a lamb.

I think its funny that with your signature you say anything about ill advised. I have nothing against it but you are bound to offend someone who either doesnt like it or doesnt get it.

I think if you want to speak on the thread topic thats cool..if not you are just trying to put fuel on a fire thats going just fine without your help. :cheers:

[mjah]

I think its funny that with your signature you say anything about ill advised. I have nothing against it but you are bound to offend someone who either doesnt like it or doesnt get it.
Not my problem.

There's no such thing in this country as a right to not be offended. And even in a moderated forum like this one, the degree of offense an isolated individual might take to my signature is not significant enough to register.

Except, perhaps, if his skin is as thin as the plastic straws he's grasping at.

Nor is there a right to have the community discourse dumbed down to the level where everyone will get the joke every time. In the case of my signature, it's not exactly subtle in the first place.

I can understand Dallas fans missing the joke, but that's primarily because most of them can't read.

Back to our group dinner. Mmmmmm, lamb chops. ;)

[Duckus]

Deliberately inflammatory accusations like this are a crutch for people who are incapable of making a logical argument, or dealing in any kind of factual basis.


Like this entire thread?

[btfoom]

I have no trouble believing you're a Kool-Aid authority.

Absolutely, I see the drinkers here all the time. Same old stuff, just wrapped slightly differently from time to time. Doesn't matter what Obama does, he gets the free pass while any chance to bash the Repubs is jumped on immediately. NO thought involved, just drink it in.

And mjah, I am the GOVT :rolleyes: :D

[Teller]

Like this entire thread?

If you want to condemn CNN, go ahead.

Mike said nothing to deserve the klan comment. NOTHING.

The only racist comment I can find in this thread is Obama's generalization of all whites.

May not be convenient, but sometimes the truth isn't. :cheers:

[#21Taylor4Ever]

Since when are true stories bashing? :doh:

If you believe any of that nonsense, you should really stop letting the media think for you.

I knew this would happen if a black man came close to actually winning the presidency, so I can't say I'm shocked by it.

[Teller]

If you believe any of that nonsense, you should really stop letting the media think for you.

I knew this would happen if a black man came close to actually winning the presidency, so I can't say I'm shocked by it.

Sweet. Someone else who has pledged to be intellectually honest enough to exempt any white man from saying something that might be considered racially insensitive.
Welcome aboard! :cheers:

[#21Taylor4Ever]

...Next you'll tell me Obama lived in a house that was built from wood from a tree that was cut down by some guy that cheated on his wife. ON HIS WIFE?! OMG OBAMA!!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

:cheers:

[Teller]

Funny how this mattered BEFORE we knew it was an Obama advisor's company that did it.

Hypocrisy for all!!!!

:cheers:

[#21Taylor4Ever]

Sweet. Someone else who has pledged to be intellectually honest enough to exempt any white man from saying something that might be considered racially insensitive.
Welcome aboard! :cheers:

If Obama were a white man, would you be so easy to believe media nonsense? I think not.

This kind of thing doesnt only go for this presidency, this happens everywhere throughout the media. Even though it's so obvious Obama's the best man for the job, some people would rather make up foolish stories about him not liking white people, being muslim, being a terrorist, anything to keep him from becoming president. America's a sad place indeed.

I mean hey, lets just vote in McCain who will keep this bull**** war going, reinstitute the draft, and do nothing about healthcare....all because he's the right shade. :doh:

[Teller]

If Obama were a white man, would you be so easy to believe media nonsense? I think not.

This kind of thing doesnt only go for this presidency, this happens everywhere throughout the media. Even though it's so obvious Obama's the best man for the job, some people would rather make up foolish stories about him not liking white people, being muslim, being a terrorist, anything to keep him from becoming president. America's a sad place indeed.

I mean hey, lets just vote in McCain who will keep this bull**** war going, reinstitute the draft, and do nothing about healthcare....all because he's the right shade. :doh:

It's convenient to make up a bull**** argument...yet again, I ask an Obama supporter...SHOW ME a single thread or story about Obama being Muslim or a terrorist. (Kindly use a legitimate source, such as CNN, which brought us Obama's ACTUAL words.) Otherwise, kindly quit making **** up to argue with.

Imus was judged on his words. Obama is judged by his words. They BOTH exhibited bigotry. The difference is, one is a harmless radio host. The other could become the most powerful man in the world.

Which one scares me more? Not Imus.

*EDIT* And yes, I believe Imus said what the media claimed he did. You're going to have to look awful hard to find hypocrisy in my position. ;)

[#21Taylor4Ever]

It's convenient to make up a bull**** argument...yet again, I ask an Obama supporter...SHOW ME a single thread or story about Obama being Muslim or a terrorist. (Kindly use a legitimate source, such as CNN, which brought us Obama's ACTUAL words.) Otherwise, kindly quit making **** up to argue with.

Imus was judged on his words. Obama is judged by his words. They BOTH exhibited bigotry. The difference is, one is a harmless radio host. The other could become the most powerful man in the world.

Which one scares me more? Not Imus.

*EDIT* And yes, I believe Imus said what the media claimed he did. You're going to have to look awful hard to find hypocrisy in my position. ;)

Imus called black women, "nappy headed." I dont think Obama said anything about disliking white people(he's half white), being muslim(im pretty sure he's christian), or being a terrorist(laughable to say the least).

Imus is a racist, Obama is not.

Lets not compare the two again, k?

[Teller]

Imus called black women, "nappy headed." I dont think Obama said anything about disliking white people(he's half white), being muslim(im pretty sure he's christian), or being a terrorist(laughable to say the least).

Imus is a racist, Obama is not.

Lets not compare the two again, k?

How many white girls were on that Rutgers team? Did Imus specify who he was referring to? Nope. But your candidate made it clear with his "typical white" comment. :cheers:

Also, yet again, an Obama supporter claims that their candidate has been called a Muslim or a terrorist by a reputable media entity, and once again, said supporter has failed to provide even a LICK of proof to back-up said claim.

Color me (pun intended) shocked. :rolleyes:

I'm glad you'll have no problem with McCain refering to "typical blacks" though. That's respectable. Course, he's got far too much class for that.

Let me ask you this, if I say "typical black fathers abandon their kids, like Obama's did," am I a racist?

[mjah]

The difference is, one is a harmless radio host. The other could become the most powerful man in the world.

Which one scares me more?
Bush.

Neither Imus nor Obama is scary.

Hopefully, even the guy with extensive real-world experience in the Kool-Aid Arts can agree with that.

[Teller]

Bush.

Neither Imus nor Obama is scary.

Hopefully, even the guy with extensive real-world experience in the Kool-Aid Arts can agree with that.

See: My thread yesterday, criticizing the administration, yet again, for the "lost emails."

Seriously, when the only argument against me is 100% fabrication, I feel pretty confident.


NEXT???

*EDIT* Yeah, here's some serious Bush kool-aid. :laugh:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5023568&postcount=1

[Teller]

It gets awful quiet in a thread like this when people get called on their LIES. :laugh:

[Teller]

I think 20 minutes is enough time to allow the fabricators to respond. I'm going to bed.

:D

[mjah]

See: My thread yesterday, criticizing the administration, yet again, for the "lost emails."

Seriously, when the only argument against me is 100% fabrication, I feel pretty confident.


NEXT???

*EDIT* Yeah, here's some serious Bush kool-aid. :laugh:

http://www.extremeskins.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5023568&postcount=1

Um...

Surely, as someone who can read, you realized I wasn't referring to you with the Kool-Aid comment.

Your immediately defensive stance at that perceived slight, however fictional, certainly provokes some thought. Interesting that you'd react that way for some reason.

Perhaps the sudden silence in the thread had more to do with people leaning back in their chairs, scratching their heads and wondering, "Did this h_h guy even read the recent posts before assuming an arbitrary comment was all about him?"

Or maybe the silence can be attributed to the fact that it's almost 3am EST.

Might you be a bit punchy at this hour?

:doh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[joeknows]

fact is hog is right. these things do have a tendancy to pile up.

a week ago i said i was definately voting obama........... now......... i dunno......
i think he has to win my vote again..... and seeing how he has insulted me recently..... i dont think its gonna be easy for him to do

[joeknows]

first it was his meeting and accepting contributions from some guy who is know to our govt for trying to blow some **** up.....

then he has a known association with a revrend that has very extreme opinions of the black white relationship in this country opinions that arent very flattering anyway

then in defense of his extreme friend he makes a racially insensitive remark

and now a consultant is under investigation for entering passport files of the only candidates left in the race..........

[Jumbo]

first it was his meeting and accepting contributions from some guy who is know to our govt for trying to blow some **** up.....

then he has a known association with a revrend that has very extreme opinions of the black white relationship in this country opinions that arent very flattering anyway

then in defense of his extreme friend he makes a racially insensitive remark

and now a consultant is under investigation for entering passport files of the only candidates left in the race..........

I think I see where your headed with this...with all this questionable character...and his shifty connections...and crazy religious influences...if the next thing is he's secretly gay and adulterous.....HE'S REALLY A REPUBLICAN!!!! DIRTY BASTIDS!!!



:silly: :laugh: :D

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

and now a consultant is under investigation for entering passport files of the only candidates left in the race..........
Link?

[Teller]

Um...

Surely, as someone who can read, you realized I wasn't referring to you with the Kool-Aid comment.

Your immediately defensive stance at that perceived slight, however fictional, certainly provokes some thought. Interesting that you'd react that way for some reason.

Perhaps the sudden silence in the thread had more to do with people leaning back in their chairs, scratching their heads and wondering, "Did this h_h guy even read the recent posts before assuming an arbitrary comment was all about him?"

Or maybe the silence can be attributed to the fact that it's almost 3am EST.

Might you be a bit punchy at this hour?

:doh:

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Ummm...


Maybe if you're referring to someone else next time, you'll QUOTE someone else.

I doubt it though. 'Typical' dodge.

[Burgold]

Funny how this mattered BEFORE we knew it was an Obama advisor's company that did it.

Hypocrisy for all!!!!

:cheers:

If you want to condemn CNN, go ahead.

Mike said nothing to deserve the klan comment. NOTHING.





I've grouped these quotes together, because I think you're right about one issue, but wrong on the other. First the right--

Not every criticism about Obama is about race. I have no reason to believe that Mike's criticism about the really bizzarrly tenuous relationship between this consultants', supportors', boss' employee and Obama himself was made because Mike hates black people. Rather, I think it is the kind of semi-slanderous attack that is generally used to impugn politicians.

The Swiftboating of Kerry was not done because he was white. This breaking into Obama's passport records was not about race either. It's about dirty politics.

I do disagree that there is any blood on Obama's hands on this issue. I strongly doubt he was involved in any way. Why? What possible advantage could he get from looking at his own travel history? That makes little sense. Why would he need to invade his own privacy three times?

Now, it could benefit the Clinton's if he made suspiscious trips, I suppose. It could benefit McCain or the Republicans. But in what way could this help Obama? And if it couldn't help him, why would he do it? Did his wife ask him where they spent their first vacation together and he couldn't remember?

[Larry]

Funny how this mattered BEFORE we knew it was an Obama advisor's company that did it.

Hypocrisy for all!!!!

:cheers:

Funny how the instant someone finds a six-degrees-of-separation "link" to somebody who likes Obama, suddenly we know that "it was an Obama advisor's company that did it". :)

[WinSkins]

As someone who's put up with more than his fair share of baseless racist accusations, why don't you post just one racist comment Mike's EVER made on this board. Just one.

Deliberately inflammatory accusations like this are a crutch for people who are incapable of making a logical argument, or dealing in any kind of factual basis.

It's my opinion, and not just because Mike's a friend, that an apology is probably in order.

You've had a history of personally attacking me and others when we disagree with you on any issue. You also have edited other posters quotes when you replied to bolster what was a weak or spurious argument in your response. I do not intend to engage with you on any level whatsoever.

[Larry]

The only racist comment I can find in this thread is Obama's generalization of all whites.

Funny. I don't see any racist comments in this thread at all.

All I see are accusations of racism.

The one you're getting outraged over.

And the one you're making.

[WinSkins]

For someone that is supposed to be 55 you are acting like a child. I may come across as stubborn and sometimes a little pigheaded but for you to make a racist comment like that is crazy and unwelcomed. Those who know me on here know that I am not that kind of person either.

Second off, if you ask a question the put a ? at the end of it.

Interesting perspective...should we add ageism? Thanks for the punctuation lesson. ;)

[Destino]

The problem, Dest, is that while it was assumed by all of the libs (and the left-wing media) that it was part of the Bush Admin who had done this, the out-cry was huge (kind of like the Marine/puppy fake video). Now that it connects back to Obama, all of his supporters stop acting like this was the second coming of the inquisition and ask questions like "What exactly is Obama's problem with any of this.". Make up your minds, either an act is devious, politically motivated, and the 'leader' is to blame, or it is no big deal the the leader is clearly insulated. Can't have it both ways.

From what I saw the assumptions were Bush, because lets face it your boy is all about illegal access to information, or Hillary because the state department tends to be liberal. Also the story lost it's legs when it turned out that records for all three remaining candidates were looked into and the story went from domestic spying to curious employee.

Also this doesn't connect to Obama unless you believe six degrees of seperation that connects me to some farmer in china is a real connection. Obama works with the CEO not the person that did this (that was fired).

[BigMike619]

Interesting perspective...should we add ageism? Thanks for the punctuation lesson. ;)

I hope you got the hint from those of us who have been on here a while that name calling and wild accusations arent accepted.

[BigMike619]

fact is hog is right. these things do have a tendancy to pile up.

a week ago i said i was definately voting obama........... now......... i dunno......
i think he has to win my vote again..... and seeing how he has insulted me recently..... i dont think its gonna be easy for him to do

And this ladies and Gentlemen is why I titled the thread the way I did. One thing after another and things "piling up".

I wasn't just attacking him, I was pointing out that this is one more questionable (to me) thing that he has done and it was time to discuss it.

WinSkins, I am going to have to ask you to stop calling me racist now. I have not demonstrated anything like that and by the way you tried to come down on HH by saying he talks down to people you should really follow your own advice. If you can point out one thing on here that shows where I have said ONE, JUST ONE racist thing then you can call me that all day and night.

[Burgold]

I wasn't just attacking him, I was pointing out that this is one more questionable (to me) thing that he has done and it was time to discuss it.


The thing is it's hard for me to understand this action as something that Barrack Obama has done. I honestly don't see the culpability on his part. Maybe that's me being naive or maybe it's you being too cynical.


I also want to say again that the personal attacks on Mike are way out of line in this thread. I don't see this as being a racial thread at all. Not all criticisms of Obama or his associates are race driven.

[BigMike619]

The thing is it's hard for me to understand this action as something that Barrack Obama has done. I honestly don't see the culpability on his part. Maybe that's me being naive or maybe it's you being too cynical.


I also want to say again that the personal attacks on Mike are way out of line in this thread. I don't see this as being a racial thread at all. Not all criticisms of Obama or his associates are race driven.

And this is why I like debating with you and people like you. You dont see it like I do and that is GREAT because I can sometimes be overly opinionated and go one way waaaaaaaay too much.

I dont think that Obama had anything first hand to do with this just like I dont believe that he thinks like Rev Wright does. But what I do believe is that Obama needs to do a big house cleaning on his campaign and with those who are supporting him because it is just getting to be too much. Wright's comments (advisor), wife's comments (family), his comments (poor choice of words), now his campaign contributor (money). It just seems to me like it is getting to be too much and too many people within his circle are coming out looking poor.

Maybe the media is just overly attacking him, I am not sure. But it seems like he is an easy target to get a good story out of.

[mjah]

Maybe if you're referring to someone else next time, you'll QUOTE someone else.
If an admission of your own reading comprehension shortcomings is the best you can muster in your own defense, you probably shouldn't be pretending to offer Internet lessons to others.

Second-grade context-clue skills are your friend, especially in a reading-heavy medium. Now you know.

Back to the topic at hand: You could stop a Space Shuttle with the web of lies, deceit, and shadiness you'd get by applying the Obama-passport standard to either McCain or Clinton.

This assumes that the Space Shuttle exists, which it obviously doesn't. See my signature and feel free to ask for more details.

Aside from maybe Jimmy Carter, I can't think of a Presidential nominee who has been wrapped in less actual scandal at this point than Obama. Even Dukakis, the feel-good squeaky-clean guy with obviously no real shot against Bush, was starting to get into trouble over some Massachusetts issues by the time he had secured the nomination.

Even goofy old Bob Dole had some skeletons -- some real, some perceived -- dancing out of his closet at this point.

Obama? He's at least a step and a half away from the scandal. In the case of Rev. Wright, he told people exactly where he stands -- and a clear majority of Americans seem to have agreed with him. If you put any stock in the Weak Law of Large Numbers, then more than half of the nation sees him as capable of uniting the nation and 7 out of 10 people have said the Wright thing has not even a tiny influence over their vote.

I'd compare these numbers to Hillary, but apparently they aren't tracking her performance so closely anymore. I wonder why. :laugh:

[Burgold]

And this is why I like debating with you and people like you. You dont see it like I do and that is GREAT because I can sometimes be overly opinionated and go one way waaaaaaaay too much.

I do believe is that Obama needs to do a big house cleaning on his campaign and with those who are supporting him.

Agreed, but I also think that the whole political structure needs a huge overhaul getting rid of cronyism, lobbiests, and sychophants would be great. I actually do not hate Bush, but I think he has surrounded himself with people who have led this country into a giant mess.

Wright's comments (advisor)

I believe there is more to Wright than the picture that has painted. The media's portrayal of him is too two dimensional. He's too much of a cartoon character. That being said, some of the stuff he said is hate driven, inflamatory garbage that you do not want infecting children, citizens or the President.

wife's comments

These I think were blown out of proportion. I think that there are some proffessionally unhappy people who study things with a microscope and then yell, "Eureka! I knew it! This proves the nature of their soul and being! They are evil!"

I think being raised by a Holocaust survivor makes me especially sensitive to some of this because I know how some will paint words and try to create hatred. Saying that, I think Michelle Obama is a victim of overanalysis, but Reverand Wright seems to be a hate monger who could stir people to violence or prolong and reinforce division and scapegoating.

, his comments (poor choice of words),

I thought the "typical" stuff was overplayed too. I know that I have walked towards the subway at 1 in the morning in New York and occassionally gotten spooked by the presence of some large person. It's irrational and I tell myself it's wrong, but there is a part of me that sometimes reacts in the manner Obama expressed. Bringing it up for discussion and bringing some people's fears to light isn't a bad thing. I think that as a nation, we have all developed such thin skin when it comes to race. We are so worried about how we are perceived that it is hard to have a real, productive discussion. That's why I was so impressed with the Tailgate discusson's we had recently.

(money)

What a world it would be if we could take the money out of politics.

Maybe the media is just overly attacking him, I am not sure. But it seems like he is an easy target to get a good story out of.

[mjah]

From what I saw the assumptions were Bush, because lets face it your boy is all about illegal access to information, or Hillary because the state department tends to be liberal. Also the story lost it's legs when it turned out that records for all three remaining candidates were looked into and the story went from domestic spying to curious employee.
This is an excellent summary of the before-and-after, including well-earned reputations of both Bush and Hillary. It could be that Obama is as crooked as the rest of them, but without the legacy of legitimately deceitful and shady behavior, he was the third guy down on a three-suspect list. And as soon as it became clear that everyone was getting looked up, some multiple times, it became obvious that this wasn't some pointed political hackery.


Also this doesn't connect to Obama unless you believe six degrees of seperation that connects me to some farmer in china is a real connection.
Do you know a guy named Wang Lung?







DISCLAIMER: Lest I get the Mike treatment, please be advised that Wang Lung is a fictional Chinese farmer, the protagonist in the Pearl Buck novel The Good Earth. You may put away the daggers.

[BigMike619]

DISCLAIMER: Lest I get the Mike treatment, please be advised that Wang Lung is a fictional Chinese farmer, the protagonist in the Pearl Buck novel The Good Earth. You may put away the daggers.

:finger: :laugh:

[mjah]

:finger: :laugh:
Oh, what the hell. Might as well pile on, then.

I'll let the kid do the talking:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/Tonito44/ThatsRacist.gif

[BigMike619]

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/01/2001898980931779480_rs.jpg

[Tastes Like Chicken]

Being 1/2 Asian and 1/2 White, I am offended by the klan remark as well as the chink comment. **** you all.

Carry on. :silly:

[Larry]

Being 1/2 Asian and 1/2 White, I am offended by the klan remark as well as the chink comment. **** you all.

Carry on. :silly:

I'm not worried.

20 minutes later, he'll feel like posting again.

[WinSkins]

I hope you got the hint from those of us who have been on here a while that name calling and wild accusations arent accepted.

BigMike619
Join Date: Jul 2007
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WinSkins
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Guess you found another "chink in my armor" :D
Since you assisted me in earlier post (thanks again) with punctuation, I am returning the favor with reminder to always include apostrophe when writing contraction, such as "aren't." ;)

[#21Taylor4Ever]

How many white girls were on that Rutgers team? Did Imus specify who he was referring to? Nope. But your candidate made it clear with his "typical white" comment.

How many white girls are on that Rutgers team? You have to be kidding me, right? I guess being ignorant about who Imus was talking to helps your argument, if you think so buddy.


Also, yet again, an Obama supporter claims that their candidate has been called a Muslim or a terrorist by a reputable media entity, and once again, said supporter has failed to provide even a LICK of proof to back-up said claim.

You're right buddy, we just made it up. We just pulled those comments out of our asses, kinda like where your arguments are coming from.


I'm glad you'll have no problem with McCain refering to "typical blacks" though. That's respectable. Course, he's got far too much class for that.

I say again, I knew if a black man/woman got this close to winning the presidency, people such as yourself would dig deep to find faults in everything he says. Color me (pun intended) shocked. :laugh:


Let me ask you this, if I say "typical black fathers abandon their kids, like Obama's did," am I a racist?

If you were to say that, you'd be a moron. And I hardly think this supposed Obama comment comes close to such an idiotic one as you've posted.

[Teller]

How many white girls are on that Rutgers team? You have to be kidding me, right? I guess being ignorant about who Imus was talking to helps your argument, if you think so buddy.

He was talking to his news director, Charles McCord. So?


You're right buddy, we just made it up. We just pulled those comments out of our asses, kinda like where your arguments are coming from.

This is the third time I've asked for ANY kind of legitimate link or reference. And will no doubt be the third time you've failed to provide one.

I'll thank you to swallow your condescension until you can back your false claims.


I say again, I knew if a black man/woman got this close to winning the presidency, people such as yourself would dig deep to find faults in everything he says. Color me (pun intended) shocked. :laugh:

People such as myself? Up until a few weeks ago, I was legitimately trying to decide if I could vote for Obama or not, and haven't said a single negative thing about him, until he decided it was time to generalize all white people.

I guess it doesn't matter that I didn't post even once in the Jeremiah Wright thread, does it? No, because 'people like me' are just piling on to keep a black man from getting elected. :rolleyes: :laugh:


If you were to say that, you'd be a moron. And I hardly think this supposed Obama comment comes close to such an idiotic one as you've posted.

http://www.jointcenter.org/DB/factsheet/livarg.htm

I'll continue waiting for your link.

[Tastes Like Chicken]

I say again, I knew if a black man/woman got this close to winning the presidency, people such as yourself would dig deep to find faults in everything he says. Color me (pun intended) shocked. :laugh:

Actually, H_H has posted several times his positive opinions of Senator Obama. I think it's the Democratic side that he has a problem with, moreso than the black side.

Oh yeah, we used to discuss the real issues in a Presidential race, didn't we? :doh:

[Teller]

You've had a history of personally attacking me and others when we disagree with you on any issue. You also have edited other posters quotes when you replied to bolster what was a weak or spurious argument in your response. I do not intend to engage with you on any level whatsoever.

Please provide one example.

Just one.

[Teller]

Actually, H_H has posted several times his positive opinions of Senator Obama. I think it's the Democratic side that he has a problem with, moreso than the black side.

Exactly right.

The people flinging the unfounded racist accusations (again) will have a hard time explaining away my post in the "who's the smartest presidential candidate" thread too.

But, as I've learned over the years, the ES tailgate is a great place for debate, but rarely is it honest.

[Midnight Judges]

HH, a few months ago I told you the right wing media would have you opposing Obama with their smear tactics. You were insulted that I would say such a thing but here we are...

[Teller]

HH, a few months ago I told you the right wing media would have you opposing Obama with their smear tactics. You were insulted that I would say such a thing but here we are...

I've opposed Obama, based on party affiliation, health care plan, plan to raise taxes, etc, since the beginning. I took the time to do my homework on him, just as I did the other candidates.

I'll be honest, man. On a personal level (some of these new accusations aside) Obama is probably my favorite of the remaining candidates. But whether or not you "like" somebody shouldn't be the litmus test for giving them your vote.

And I'm sorry, but I don't consider questioning a man's words a smear tactic. But, like we talked about before, if there were campaign ads that painted Obama as a Muslim or whatever, provided no one had discovered a factual basis for them, I'd be outraged too.

Look, I don't care if Obama's black, white, green or orange. EVERY presidential candidate deserves to have his or her words scrutinized VERY closely. Afterall, we're electing the most powerful human being on the planet. Examining the man's words is not a "smear" tactic.

*EDIT* Also, since when does CNN qualify as 'right wing media.' That's rich.

[Midnight Judges]

I've opposed Obama, based on party affiliation, health care plan, plan to raise taxes, etc, since the beginning. I took the time to do my homework on him, just as I did the other candidates.


None of those stances have changed. The only thing new since you've changed your opinion on Obama are the smear tactics.


I'll be honest, man. On a personal level (some of these new accusations aside) Obama is probably my favorite of the remaining candidates. But whether or not you "like" somebody shouldn't be the litmus test for giving them your vote.


Agree it shouldn't be the litmus test but it does matter. And it should matter for anyone who trusts their instincts.


And I'm sorry, but I don't consider questioning a man's words a smear tactic.

It is when you inject your own meaning and discard Obama's as Republicans did with the grandmother quote. And I have seen enough of your posts to know you are capable of seeing things in a different light. Do you care what Obama's intent was with that quote? Do you honestly think he was feeling hatred when he said it? Seems to me he was making an effort to be accurate and forthcoming about his experiences. But somehow it wasn't PC to you even if it is true.


But, like we talked about before, if there were campaign ads that painted Obama as a Muslim or whatever, provided no one had discovered a factual basis for them, I'd be outraged too.


They might not be funded by McCain or Hillary, but they are certainly perpetuated by McCain's Republican allies at FOX news. Watch the link. Why arent you outraged?


Look, I don't care if Obama's black, white, green or orange. EVERY presidential candidate deserves to have his or her words scrutinized VERY closely. Afterall, we're electing the most powerful human being on the planet. Examining the man's words is not a "smear" tactic.


Like I said, it's smear tactic when you pretend they mean something the speaker obviously didnt intend in order to fool the weak minded. But I don't think you are weak minded. I think you are a Republican who played the role of the fair minded/objective guy as long as he could stand it. And you are to be commended for that. It was said earlier, these smears don't mean much individually but they add up. I don't agree with that and I make an effort to not let hatchet jobs effect my vote.


*EDIT* Also, since when does CNN qualify as 'right wing media.' That's rich.

The only way that would matter would be if CNN were your only news source. And we both know it's not.

Anyway CNN seems to be pretty fair minded IMO. Especially when they debunked FOX's assertion that Obama was educated at a Madrassa. The Republicans on FOX claimed Hillary's campaign made that assertion with jack squat for evidence. I don't believe them, and even if I did, they ought to investigate before publishing headlines the way the NY Post did. Anyway, I don't know where exactly you got influenced by the smears because I don't know what media you listen to. But clearly it worked.

http://www.truveo.com/CNN-Debunks-False-Obama-Madrassa-Smear/id/2120483161

[joeknows]

I think I see where your headed with this...with all this questionable character...and his shifty connections...and crazy religious influences...if the next thing is he's secretly gay and adulterous.....HE'S REALLY A REPUBLICAN!!!! DIRTY BASTIDS!!!



:silly: :laugh: :D

ok i wasnt going there but i like the way you think lol.............

[joeknows]

Link?

link? are you kidding me? this is just stuff that has been in the news the last 6 weeks............... where have you been?

[joeknows]

Oh, what the hell. Might as well pile on, then.

I'll let the kid do the talking:

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f312/Tonito44/ThatsRacist.gif


this is what geraldine ferraro was trying to say..... sadly she got gun shy and never really pounded her point home.

obama got as far as he has without scrutiny because he is black and anyone who is white that would question him would be a racist because they are giving him a hard time because he is black blah blah blah.....

and i can see from the picture above that the indoctrination into being the victim starts early.........

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

link? are you kidding me? this is just stuff that has been in the news the last 6 weeks............... where have you been?
What you said:



and now a consultant is under investigation for entering passport files of the only candidates left in the race..........

You are wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Thanks.

[19Skins72]

you should look at your contributors a little closer then he did obviously. this may not be as big a deal as the other stuff, but add it up with the other stuff and it just all looks shady.

Congratulations on seeing exactly what you wanted to see...funny how that works out.

[mjah]

and i can see from the picture above that the indoctrination into being the victim starts early.........
Actually, the picture shows a quick clip from a TV sketch comedy show that was on MTV2 a while back.

It's pure satire, and it's obviously impossible to pull out the correct context just by looking at the image.

It would be a bad idea to try to draw or support any larger conclusions from it.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

He was talking to his news director, Charles McCord. So?

Huh?


This is the third time I've asked for ANY kind of legitimate link or reference. And will no doubt be the third time you've failed to provide one.

I'll thank you to swallow your condescension until you can back your false claims.

If you check back in this thread, you'll notice that I'm simply repeating what another poster said. Though I had heard some of the same moronic claims about Obama, I dont have any links. I also do not think it's possible to link something said on a television show. :doh:


People such as myself? Up until a few weeks ago, I was legitimately trying to decide if I could vote for Obama or not, and haven't said a single negative thing about him, until he decided it was time to generalize all white people.

He didn't say ALL WHITE PEOPLE. I mean come on man...wake the hell up! Half his family is white. And based on what you're now saying, you were pro-Obama until this quote of his that was taken completely out of context. It's a damn shame how easily some people can be swayed. Think for yourself buddy, it's actually pretty easy to do.

http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/sayar/riqs.htm

[BigMike619]

Congratulations on seeing exactly what you wanted to see...funny how that works out.

First off thank you for the congrats, it was a hard fought struggle and I couldnt have done it alone. Id like to thank the academy, HH, Jumbo and all of those who have worked closely with me in order to get to where I am.

So how's this all working out for you skins?

The being clever part that is...

[BigMike619]

BigMike619
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WinSkins
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Guess you found another "chink in my armor" :D
Since you assisted me in earlier post (thanks again) with punctuation, I am returning the favor with reminder to always include apostrophe when writing contraction, such as "aren't." ;)

In 8 pages of this thread you have offered absolutely nothing but an attack at me. Do you know me and are pissed? Are you a previous poster and have something that you need to get off your chest?

It's funny that you want to put up join dates but yet you aren't smart enough to figure out that you shouldnt JUST personally attack somebody in a post. Try to offer something the next time or just PM me. That would help everyone out in here.

Thank you for listening..

[Teller]

None of those stances have changed. The only thing new since you've changed your opinion on Obama are the smear tactics.

My position hasn't changed either. I'm not quite sure what you're getting at here.

Frankly, I think I've done a pretty good job of praising Obama where he's deserved it, and questioning him when I believe he's deserved that. Personally, I have no respect for the partisan hacks on either side, so giving credit to a worthy opponent where it's due is a good thing. Maybe I'm missing something though.

Do I have to agree with everything Obama says, and never question his motives or his actual words to be considered open minded? To me, that's the antithesis of open minded. Therefore, I will continue to offer my honest opinions in regard to him, and the other candidates.

Again, questioning what someone says is not a smear tactic.


Agree it shouldn't be the litmus test but it does matter. And it should matter for anyone who trusts their instincts.

And again, I LIKE Obama on a personal level. He and his wife have both said some things that I disagree with, but hell, so do most of my friends.

The bottom line is that my instincts tell me that Barak Obama would be a BLAST for someone like me to have a beer with and discuss politics. But my instincts also tell me that I don't want him as my president; for a whole host of reasons, none of which have anything to do with race.


It is when you inject your own meaning and discard Obama's as Republicans did with the grandmother quote. And I have seen enough of your posts to know you are capable of seeing things in a different light. Do you care what Obama's intent was with that quote? Do you honestly think he was feeling hatred when he said it? Seems to me he was making an effort to be accurate and forthcoming about his experiences. But somehow it wasn't PC to you even if it is true.

We're just not going to agree on this, and that's fine. I will continue to hold the position that no presidential candidate of any race, should make broad generalizations about the people of another race.

I just hope that if you disagree, you'll be consistent when and if a republican says something similar, that's all.


They might not be funded by McCain or Hillary, but they are certainly perpetuated by McCain's Republican allies at FOX news. Watch the link. Why arent you outraged?

Please source this claim. Cite specifically who McCain's allies are at FOX, and how they've 'perpetuated' this alleged hit job.

We all know (and some of us even admit) that certain news outlets lean either right or left. FOX leans right, CNN leans left (which is why you see them as 'fair' in all likelihood), the Post leans left, the Times leans right.

And watch what link? I read the CNN story linked by the OP.


Like I said, it's smear tactic when you pretend they mean something the speaker obviously didnt intend in order to fool the weak minded. But I don't think you are weak minded. I think you are a Republican who played the role of the fair minded/objective guy as long as he could stand it. And you are to be commended for that. It was said earlier, these smears don't mean much individually but they add up. I don't agree with that and I make an effort to not let hatchet jobs effect my vote.

Played the role? :laugh:

Yeah, I 'played the role' until Obama said something stupid. And when he did, I called him on it. Sorry.

Likewise, though I'm not voting for McCain either, if he comes out and makes generalizations about blacks, I'll condemn that too. Seems pretty consistent to me.


Anyway CNN seems to be pretty fair minded IMO. Especially when they debunked FOX's assertion that Obama was educated at a Madrassa. The Republicans on FOX claimed Hillary's campaign made that assertion with jack squat for evidence. I don't believe them, and even if I did, they ought to investigate before publishing headlines the way the NY Post did. Anyway, I don't know where exactly you got influenced by the smears because I don't know what media you listen to. But clearly it worked.

http://www.truveo.com/CNN-Debunks-False-Obama-Madrassa-Smear/id/2120483161

I knew about that story. Good on CNN. Congrats to 'em. But if that story renders FOX worthless, then so is CBS, no? Afterall, that was the false hit job to end all false hit jobs.


Huh?

You asked me who he was talking to. He was talking to his news director, Charles McCord who had just referenced Rutgers' win. Yes, it was being broadcast nationwide, but you asked me who he was talking to when he said that, and the answer is Charles McCord.

Now, do you have a point here?


If you check back in this thread, you'll notice that I'm simply repeating what another poster said. Though I had heard some of the same moronic claims about Obama, I dont have any links. I also do not think it's possible to link something said on a television show. :doh:

Oh. I'm sorry. So you were regurgitating someone else's false claims. Got it.

What TV show is Obama going to go on that's not a news station or show? Can you name a single news station or show that doesn't have a website or offer transcripts.

(You know, it IS OK to just admit you were wrong. Hell, personally I would think MORE of you for doing so.)

I won't ask you a fourth time though. I've been around long enough to understand the tactic being employed here.


He didn't say ALL WHITE PEOPLE. I mean come on man...wake the hell up! Half his family is white. And based on what you're now saying, you were pro-Obama until this quote of his that was taken completely out of context. It's a damn shame how easily some people can be swayed. Think for yourself buddy, it's actually pretty easy to do.

http://www.clubs.psu.edu/up/sayar/riqs.htm

Think for myself??? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Are you trying to be a charicature of yourself? Imagine, a guy regurgitating someone else's unfounded crap telling ME to think for myself. Friggin classic. :laugh:

Also, if you READ MY WORDS, you'll see that I was NEVER pro-Obama, in terms of planning to vote for him. I said that I like the guy on a personal level, and I've given him credit where it's due.

THAT, my friend, is called independent thought.

Here it is again for you, read slower this time:


I've opposed Obama, based on party affiliation, health care plan, plan to raise taxes, etc, since the beginning. I took the time to do my homework on him, just as I did the other candidates.

I'll be honest, man. On a personal level (some of these new accusations aside) Obama is probably my favorite of the remaining candidates. But whether or not you "like" somebody shouldn't be the litmus test for giving them your vote.

At least know what in the hell you're talking about before you call me out. Especially when my words to the contrary are right in front of your face.

But I know. I don't expect your side to argue honestly. I expect you to put words in my mouth and then fight with them. So, congrats on living up to my expectations. :thumbsup:

[WinSkins]

In 8 pages of this thread you have offered absolutely nothing but an attack at me. Do you know me and are pissed? Are you a previous poster and have something that you need to get off your chest?

It's funny that you want to put up join dates but yet you aren't smart enough to figure out that you shouldnt JUST personally attack somebody in a post. Try to offer something the next time or just PM me. That would help everyone out in here.

Thank you for listening..

This is a self-indulgent and nonsensical thread, so I'm just being consistent with the theme and vapid content. You set the tone and are receiving appropriate response to what you've posted. ;)

[Midnight Judges]

Likewise, though I'm not voting for McCain either, if he comes out and makes generalizations about blacks, I'll condemn that too. Seems pretty consistent to me.


McCain isn't half black.


I will continue to hold the position that no presidential candidate of any race, should make broad generalizations about the people of another race.


What do you mean "another race?" Obama is just as white as he is black and he was talking about his own blood.

[TheSteve]

McCain isn't half black.



What do you mean "another race?" Obama is just as white as he is black and he was talking about his own blood.

Not only that, but he was raised more by his 'white' half of his family than his black half.

[BigMike619]

This is a self-indulgent and nonsensical thread, so I'm just being consistent with the theme and vapid content. You set the tone and are receiving appropriate response to what you've posted. ;)

This is why nobody will ever respect what you post. Just try to stick to the topc which is Obama and NOT me. Are you in love or something? Did you see my picture and figure that you would try your luck?

Give it a rest man and just move to the next topic since it's obvious this one is above your head. :)

[WinSkins]

This is why nobody will ever respect what you post. Just try to stick to the topc which is Obama and NOT me. Are you in love or something? Did you see my picture and figure that you would try your luck?

Give it a rest man and just move to the next topic since it's obvious this one is above your head. :)

Now you've moved on to homophobia...covering all the bases. ;)
Difficult to stick to topic that is without any merit or substance. :doh:
It is challenging for many of us to recognize and appreciate the depth and breadth of your intellect. :D

[Dan T.]

I object to the use of the term "chink" in the thread title.

THAT'S RACIST!

[BigMike619]

I object to the use of the term "chink" in the thread title.

THAT'S RACIST!

Ya know when I made the title I didnt even think about that. :doh: :laugh:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

How is this thread still getting posted in?

[BigMike619]

How is this thread still getting posted in?

Because people like you keep making it front page news.

And obviously people still feel like its worth speaking on.

I understand if you personally are over it but that doesnt mean everyone is. I am still enjoying talking to people on here who want intelligent conversations about this.:cheers:

[Tulane Skins Fan]

Because people like you keep making it front page news.

And obviously people still feel like its worth speaking on.

I understand if you personally are over it but that doesnt mean everyone is. I am still enjoying talking to people on here who want intelligent conversations about this.:cheers:

Its disturbing to me that you think this is "intelligent conversation."

[BigMike619]

Its disturbing to me that you think this is "intelligent conversation."

Is it as disturbing that you believe you are in charge of what's is intelligence and what isn't?

[IHOPSkins]

....Saying this reflects poorly on Obama is like saying that if I had a friend whos friend's friend committed a crime that I must be suspect because I associate with criminals.

The story was caste in an anti administration (read republican) light when it broke

NOW its a non-issue

Liberal Bias is evident

And

What would an Obama administration look like?

Would the Racist Rev. Wright be the unofficial Whitehouse pastor?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

The story was caste in an anti administration (read republican) light when it broke

NOW its a non-issue

Liberal Bias is evident

And

What would an Obama administration look like?

Would the Racist Rev. Wright be the unofficial Whitehouse pastor?
Uh no. Everything I saw and heard from people was that they believed that Hillary was behind it.

[Thanos]

The story was caste in an anti administration (read republican) light when it broke

NOW its a non-issue

Liberal Bias is evident

And

What would an Obama administration look like?

Would the Racist Rev. Wright be the unofficial Whitehouse pastor?

Billy Graham served many presidents and his early sermons were anti-Semetic to say the very least.

Also Nancy Reagan had an astrologist in the Whie House.

[Predicto]

The idea that this casts any bad light on Obama doesn't make any sense.

In fact, this whole thread doesn't make any sense.

[Predicto]

The story was caste in an anti administration (read republican) light when it broke

NOW its a non-issue

Liberal Bias is evident




What the?

The first rumors were that a Hillary operative must have done it. At least the ones that I heard.

[BigMike619]

Originally Posted by TheSteve
....Saying this reflects poorly on Obama is like saying that if I had a friend whos friend's friend committed a crime that I must be suspect because I associate with criminals.


http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

In a speech last week that took the country's racial divide head-on, Obama — the son of a white woman from Kansas and a Kenyan father — said black anger persists over injustice in America, and whites shouldn't be surprised about the way it's expressed in sermons.

"The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning," Obama said.

Obama did not attend the Easter Sunday service.


But at the church itself, the "unashamedly black" identity can be seen in the African and African-American art on the walls and windows, as well as in the traditional African clothing of the choir. It can be heard in references to rapper Tupac Shakur in Moss' Easter Sunday sermon, which was titled "Gangster's Paradise."

Does that seem like distancing to you? Sounds to me like he is defending Wright and why he is like that. I would take that to the other extreme and say that it will only get worse if you have someone who is NOT walking the middle ground here. And from the description of that church it seems like they are ONLY catering to black people. That sounds alot like stores in the 60s that discouraged people of color from coming in and shopping.

[Tulane Skins Fan]

The idea that this casts any bad light on Obama doesn't make any sense.

In fact, this whole thread doesn't make any sense.

Don't tell BigMike that, he'll call you dumb.

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

BigMike is the West Coast Mickilano.

I'm done with this thread.

[IHOPSkins]

......Also Nancy Reagan had an astrologist in the Whie House.

Does Hillary still talk to Dead Lesbian Icon Eleanor Roosevelt?

[BigMike619]

BigMike is the West Coast Mickilano.

I'm done with this thread.

bwaaaaaaaaaahahahahahaa..

Ok man, thanks for informing everyone that you are done with this thread. We will be sure to all be sad and cry over losing you. :rolleyes:

[BigMike619]

Don't tell BigMike that, he'll call you dumb.


:laugh:

[IHOPSkins]

What the?

The first rumors were that a Hillary operative must have done it. At least the ones that I heard.

The Obama campaign accused Republican President George W. Bush's administration of an "outrageous" breach of privacy for political ends.

The Democratic Illinois senator, who is locked in a tight race against rival Hillary Clinton for the party's nod, issued a scathing statement admonishing the Bush administration for showing "little regard" for citizens' rights.

http://rawstory.com/news/afp/Rice_apologizes_to_Obama_over_passp_03212008.html

[Bang]

y'know, for three days now I've wanted to post
"What, now Obama's going after the Chinese?"

but I didn't.

And I feel better for it.

~Bang

[joeknows]

What you said:



You are wrong. You don't know what you're talking about. Thanks.


ummm no.............. im not.............
watch the news again

[btfoom]

What the?

The first rumors were that a Hillary operative must have done it. At least the ones that I heard.

That means you missed the first day and a half of coverage. It was reported by CNN, MSNBC, Drudge, and Fox that an 'Administration Insider' had accessed Obama's passport info. There was even a story that everyone in the office that had access was to take a poly-graph test.

A day later, it was discovered that someone outside the govt had accessed these files. This is when the Hillary story came out. In the end, it was traced back to someone with connections to Obama.

Notice how the story died then???:doh:

[joeknows]

A day later, it was discovered that someone outside the govt had accessed these files. This is when the Hillary story came out. In the end, it was traced back to someone with connections to Obama.

Notice how the story died then???:doh:

thanks for verifying what a previous poster accused me of not knowing what i was talking about.........

[joeknows]

lemme ask this just because........

if you were going snooping and you needed info on 2 of 3 people ....... wouldnt you also snoop yourself so as not to raise suspicion?

just a thought........

btw ..... im not anti obama......... just very dissapointed.....

i didnt turn my back on obama he turned his back on me with his racist statement

[TheSteve]

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/

In a speech last week that took the country's racial divide head-on, Obama — the son of a white woman from Kansas and a Kenyan father — said black anger persists over injustice in America, and whites shouldn't be surprised about the way it's expressed in sermons.

"The fact that so many people are surprised to hear that anger in some of Reverend Wright's sermons simply reminds us of the old truism that the most segregated hour in American life occurs on Sunday morning," Obama said.

Obama did not attend the Easter Sunday service.


But at the church itself, the "unashamedly black" identity can be seen in the African and African-American art on the walls and windows, as well as in the traditional African clothing of the choir. It can be heard in references to rapper Tupac Shakur in Moss' Easter Sunday sermon, which was titled "Gangster's Paradise."

Does that seem like distancing to you? Sounds to me like he is defending Wright and why he is like that. I would take that to the other extreme and say that it will only get worse if you have someone who is NOT walking the middle ground here. And from the description of that church it seems like they are ONLY catering to black people. That sounds alot like stores in the 60s that discouraged people of color from coming in and shopping.


Are you even remotely aware of the history and impact the black church has had on the African American community? Newsflash, most predominantly black churches carry a rich cultural heritage that reflects their role in the history of the black american.

To compare it to racist establishments in the pre-civil rights era is ignorant to say the least.

All I read from Obama's statement - that you've quoted and somehow twisted to compare predominantly black churches to segregated white establishments of the 60s - is a truism, which is that the most segregation you'll find in this nation is on Sunday morning. Most churches are either predominantly white, or predominantly black. There's nothing controversial or untrue or inflammatory about that at all, it simply is truth.

Now what all this, including a quote from before the passport breach, has to do with distancing himself from the guy whos employees employee looked at three candidates files you'll have to explain. I myself would find it hard to distance myself from a guy whos employees are about to commit an act in the future.

And as to why he hasn't further distanced himself from Wright besides telling you already he disagrees with and denounces his remarks? Well, he already explained that to you you'll just have to read and use some of that good ol' reading comprehension to find out. ;)

[btfoom]

lemme ask this just because........

if you were going snooping and you needed info on 2 of 3 people ....... wouldnt you also snoop yourself so as not to raise suspicion?

just a thought........

btw ..... im not anti obama......... just very dissapointed.....

i didnt turn my back on obama he turned his back on me with his racist statement

If I read the part in bold above correctly, you surmise that someone in Obama's camp did this to spy on McCain and Clinton, then accessed Obama's info to cover his/her tracks?

[G.A.C.O.L.B.]

thanks for verifying what a previous poster accused me of not knowing what i was talking about.........
Just verifies that two people don't know what they are talking about.

[outbaksean]

i didnt turn my back on obama he turned his back on me with his racist statement
So are you really going to change your vote because of that one little thing? It doesn't seem like he meant it to be racist IMO.

[btfoom]

Just verifies that two people don't know what they are talking about.

Ummm, or it could just verify that there are LOTS of folks here who don't know what they are talking about. Just because I tell someone that 2 plus 2 actually equals four, and they argue that that just does not compute with them, then tells me I'm wrong, doesn't make me wrong again. Just makes the rest of you ignorant - don't blame me for that.

[BigMike619]

Are you even remotely aware of the history and impact the black church has had on the African American community? Newsflash, most predominantly black churches carry a rich cultural heritage that reflects their role in the history of the black american.

To compare it to racist establishments in the pre-civil rights era is ignorant to say the least.

All I read from Obama's statement - that you've quoted and somehow twisted to compare predominantly black churches to segregated white establishments of the 60s - is a truism, which is that the most segregation you'll find in this nation is on Sunday morning. Most churches are either predominantly white, or predominantly black. There's nothing controversial or untrue or inflammatory about that at all, it simply is truth.

Now what all this, including a quote from before the passport breach, has to do with distancing himself from the guy whos employees employee looked at three candidates files you'll have to explain. I myself would find it hard to distance myself from a guy whos employees are about to commit an act in the future.

And as to why he hasn't further distanced himself from Wright besides telling you already he disagrees with and denounces his remarks? Well, he already explained that to you you'll just have to read and use some of that good ol' reading comprehension to find out. ;)

so 2 wrongs make a right?

I havent twisted a damn thing bro, I took what I saw and made an intelligent statement about it. I am sorry that you dont approve or like it, but thats what it was. I read the article, heck man, I posted the damn thing.

What Ive gotten is that Obama wants to play both sides of the fence. He wants to tell us that he "totally denounces what he says" but that we "shouldnt be shocked" because that's how it is in his church. Well brother, I have a problem with a man telling me as a white man that I should expect to be hated and held accountable for something I had nothing to do with.

[joeknows]

So are you really going to change your vote because of that one little thing? It doesn't seem like he meant it to be racist IMO.


yup!!!!

lemme explain....

im white living in a black city governed by black people. i have black friends and black enemies. i have worked with and for and above black people.

i have nothing against black people.

however....... in the city that MLKjr was killed still resides animosity against whites. it is prevelent in the city and its just dealt with.........

however statements similar to "typical white people" are common place in a city where the mayor <whom just resign TG> never had any problem letting his dissention toward whites be known.

on a national stage a politician must be much more polished and cant say such things.

ever heard of a freudian slip? if not look it up........

im just not prepared to have the kind of politics we have here in memphis on a national level and trust me.............. neither do you..... white or black...


and oh yeah ....

goooooo tigers!!!!

[outbaksean]

on a national stage a politician must be much more polished and cant say such things.

ever heard of a freudian slip? if not look it up........
So what if it he did mean it. So what if he thinks that the typical white person is a little racist, is that really so bad?


im just not prepared to have the kind of politics we have here in memphis on a national level and trust me.............. neither do you..... white or black...
I don't know what kind of politics you are talking about here. Are white people repressed in memphis?



and oh yeah ....

goooooo tigers!!!!
lol, I've got State winning in my bracket.

btw, im curious, are you switching to mccain or hillary

[joeknows]

you asked....


So what if it he did mean it. So what if he thinks that the typical white person is a little racist, is that really so bad?

yes because im sick of being presumed to be racist because im white and im country and from the south..........

you also asked......


I don't know what kind of politics you are talking about here. Are white people repressed in memphis?

ummmm basically yes..... they make no bones about it ...... if a local politician here would have said what he said i wouldnt have been surprised at all....

i was just hoping for more from obama....

i will prolly go for billary because i dont expect much change from a 72 year old man.....im not sure he even understands the type of change we need in this country

i originally wanted edwards because i like his rhetoric but i am concerned about his ability to be taken seriously on the hill.....

[BigMike619]

i will prolly go for billary because i dont expect much change from a 72 year old man.....im not sure he even understands the type of change we need in this country



Ronnie understood my friend.

Dont let the age fool you...

[33]

Ronnie understood my friend.

Dont let the age fool you...

I've been avoiding this thread. But I often wonder what Reagan would think about any of the modern day Republicans.

EDIT: I mean politicians, not civilians.

[outbaksean]

yes because im sick of being presumed to be racist because im white and im country and from the south..........



ummmm basically yes..... they make no bones about it ...... if a local politician here would have said what he said i wouldnt have been surprised at all....

i was just hoping for more from obama....

Ok, I understand what your saying, and I also don't like what he said. Its just that racial issues are way down near the bottom of my list when it comes to who I'm going to vote for. If it comes down mccain and obama, would you still not vote for him?

[joeknows]

Ok, I understand what your saying, and I also don't like what he said. Its just that racial issues are way down near the bottom of my list when it comes to who I'm going to vote for. If it comes down mccain and obama, would you still not vote for him?


its always the lesser of the 2 evils isnt it?

[joeknows]

Ronnie understood my friend.

Dont let the age fool you...


ronnie understood? are you kidding me? his 2nd term <if not his first> was all bush sr.

do you not remember iran contra.... the death squads in south america, nicoragua...... the fumbling of response to aids.....

why do republicans hold this man as god? he was a senial puppet for gods sake.
i for one was shocked at the amount of grief at his death and the claims nationally about how the man was some kind of saint...

do you know what TRICKLE DOWN ECONOMICS IS?????

IT IS THE RICH PISSIN ON THE REST OF US....

ugggh dont get me started on reagan.....

let me guess ...... jack ruby is a national hero too right?

[outbaksean]

its always the lesser of the 2 evils isnt it?
You could say its a douchebag vs a turd sandwich;)
But seriously, I would not be unhappy with either Obama or McCain.

republicans hold this man as god?
Well he did win the cold war...

[joeknows]

You could say its a douchebag vs a turd sandwich;)
But seriously, I would not be unhappy with either Obama or McCain.

Well he did win the cold war...


i guess it could be said ................but it could also be said that the russians were simply outspent in defense by a country that is built on capatalism

[outbaksean]

i guess it could be said ................but it could also be said that the russians were simply outspent in defense by a country that is built on capatalism
Yup, that was his plan all along:)

[joeknows]

seemed an inevitability to me.....

[outbaksean]

Also got to give Kennedy some credit with the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the Appollo program.

[BAFGA]

I would if the subject of your thread were "the guy who broke into John Riggins' car and tried to steal the radio once worked for a company that had a manager who once attended a Redskins game that Riggins played in."

Especially if you then tried to claim that the reason you posted this stunning information was because you have come to the dispassionate, logical conclusion that this means that Riggins might somehow be involved in breaking into his own car.

This is the post of the thread.

The original post is basically someone trying to dig up some stuff on Obama and creating a reason not to like the guy. If it's come down to this then they're really reaching....

[joeknows]

This is the post of the thread.

The original post is basically someone trying to dig up some stuff on Obama and creating a reason not to like the guy. If it's come down to this then they're really reaching....



no actually the guy is just paying attention. we know the dirt on hillary and we know some of the dirt on mccain but his time will come later..... right now the media is digging dirt..... or just making sure we know all there is to know about obama....

and things do seem to be starting to snow ball on him.....

[BAFGA]

no actually the guy is just paying attention. we know the dirt on hillary and we know some of the dirt on mccain but his time will come later..... right now the media is digging dirt..... or just making sure we know all there is to know about obama....

and things do seem to be starting to snow ball on him.....

It's politics in action...throw enough crap against the wall and hope something sticks. It worked with Kerry 4 years ago because he didn't know how to defend himself against the allegations... Obama is trying a "talk about the issues, stupid" approach.

[robotfire]

Well obviously this means he would be a bad president.