BBC Caught Red-Handed on Anti-Israel, False Coverage

[IHOPSkins]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125664
"(IsraelNN.com) A media monitoring organization and a British citizen forced the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) to apologize for blatant anti-Israel news coverage. They caught the network “red-handed,” reporting falsely."




I am getting very tired dealing with people that do not admit Liberal Media Bias
I will now make it my duty to point these items out

And lets be clear

I am not saying there is Never a conservative bias......or a corporate bias for that matter

BUT

The overwhelming majority of political bias in the MSM leans to the left
This job will be easy to show....the hard part is getting liberals to admit it

[Duckus]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125664
"(IsraelNN.com) A media monitoring organization and a British citizen forced the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) to apologize for blatant anti-Israel news coverage. They caught the network “red-handed,” reporting falsely."




I am getting very tired dealing with people that do not admit Liberal Media Bias
I will now make it my duty to point these items out

And lets be clear

I am not saying there is Never a conservative bias......or a corporate bias for that matter

BUT

The overwhelming majority of political bias in the MSM leans to the left
This job will be easy to show....the hard part is getting liberals to admit it

How is anti-Isreal news= liberal?

I will agree with you 10000000% that LOTS of European media has an anti-Israel slant. That is very clear. I am just confused with what that has do with "liberal" vs "conservative." 95% of all Jewish people I know are liberal. Almost every liberal politician in the US supports Israel as well (obviously some exceptions). So I am confused.

[IHOPSkins]

How is anti-Isreal news= liberal?

I will agree with you 10000000% that LOTS of European media has an anti-Israel slant. That is very clear. I am just confused with what that has do with "liberal" vs "conservative." 95% of all Jewish people I know are liberal. Almost every liberal politician in the US supports Israel as well (obviously some exceptions). So I am confused.

Liberal = Palestinian support (like Hillary kissing the PLO)

Did I say politician....or Media?

next

[Sarge]

Is this really a surprise

The Beeb is so liberal now the Royal NAvy banned it from their ships during the Iraq campaign

[Midnight Judges]

I'm sure Israelnationalnews has no bias what-so-ever. :rolleyes:

[IHOPSkins]

Is this really a surprise

The Beeb is so liberal now the Royal NAvy banned it from their ships during the Iraq campaign

Sarge

To some of us...the liberally biased media is obvious

But I still see people in denial

Until liberals admit the truth....I will post the obvious accounts

[IHOPSkins]

I'm sure Israelnationalnews has no bias what-so-ever. :rolleyes:

Find it

Post it

Prove it

Maybe they are......however

Can you deny the truth of the story I posted?

MSM = liberal

[zoony]

Wait... Western Europeans harbor resentment towards Judaism? Say it ain't so!

....

[SkinsHokieFan]

I think 95 percent of politicans, liberal or conservatives, in America and in the American media are pro-Isreali

In Europe, its a different story, but in America there is a very clear pro-Isreal bias in the news

Not sure if that makes it convservative or liberal though, but seeing how Jewish people vote something like 3 to 1 for Democrats, well I am still not sure what conclusion to draw

Can any of our Jewish members help? :whoknows:

[Midnight Judges]

Find it

Post it

Prove it

Maybe they are......however

Can you deny the truth of the story I posted?

MSM = liberal

BBC is British. They aren't part of our MSM. Europe in general is way more liberal than we are so of course they are going to seem liberal to a die hard Republican like yourself. To Europeans, moderate American Democrats are far right.

And being anti-Israel or pro Israel has jack squat to do with liberal/conservative.

[alexey]

BBC is known for anti-Israeli reporting.

[SkinInsite]

The Jewish people are very self loathing, that's why they keep voting for Democrats.

Despite the fact all liberals are very anti Israel!

[SkinsHokieFan]

BBC is known for anti-Israeli reporting.

I am not sure if it should be called "anti-Israeli reporting" where there actually is balance in coverage with how Isael is presented. Our media is so incredibly pro-Israel (similar to our media being liberal prior to FoxNews) that it just seems that the BBC is anti-Israel


The Jewish people are very self loathing, that's why they keep voting for Democrats.

Despite the fact all liberals are very anti Israel!

I don't think all liberals are very anti Israel. In fact most politicians on America's left are very pro Israel. It does make for an interesting dichotomy

[Duckus]

Find it

Post it

Prove it

Maybe they are......however

Can you deny the truth of the story I posted?

MSM = liberal

I am a person who thinks all media has a bias. Some liberal, some conservative, and some bias towards $$$. Mostly I think it is $$$ with some exceptions.

If the media is liberal wouldn’t they want what is in the best for the democrats in the next election? What is in their best interest

1) having a clear nominee or
2) fighting this out for months and months on the national stage.

Clearly #1 is in the best interest of the democrats. How could anyone think otherwise?

Well, if there was a clear solely political bias like you claim in the media they would have ended Hilary Clinton months ago when she was down and out and proclaimed Obama the unstoppable winner. They have not done that even though it is STILL true today. She CAN’T beat him in delegates or popular vote in anyway before the convention (unless there is a miracle), but somehow no one is running that story besides for a few news outlets. Most news coverage is about this “extremely close election” (which is a joke) and how both could win the whole thing. News flash - this thing was over months ago. The only way HRC wins is if she gets super delegates to support her over the delegates and popular vote of the people. Why are they not running that story and end all of this, which many conservatives are claiming is GREATLY helping them? Money, lots and lots of money. The longer this goes on, the more money the media gets, even if it kills the democrats chances. That is a pretty crappy political bias :laugh: .

[JMS]

I am getting very tired dealing with people that do not admit Liberal Media Bias
I will now make it my duty to point these items out



The problem with this discussion is that both liberals and conservatives in the United States are strong supporters of Israel. Most Jewish people in the US vote Democratic, the party most associated with Liberal and have traditionally for decades and decades ever since that Great self proclaimed Liberal Harry S. Truman along with Elenor Roosevelt pioneered support of Israel in this country.

[SkinsHokieFan]

The problem with this discussion is that both liberals and conservatives in the United States are strong supporters of Israel.

Exactly. That and many high positions in the American media are held by Jewish people

[SUSkinsFan]

The Jewish people are very self loathing, that's why they keep voting for Democrats.

Despite the fact all liberals are very anti Israel!I'm a liberal, and I'm pro-Israel, so obviously your statement is false.

[zoony]

Exactly. That and many high positions in the American media are held by Jewish people


The problem with this discussion is that both liberals and conservatives in the United States are strong supporters of Israel.



So I wonder if Israelis would prefer a McCain or Obama?


And I wonder if Israelis look at Bush's presidency and the Iraq war as a disaster?

[zoony]

I'm a liberal, and I'm pro-Israel, so obviously your statement is false.


And you did a bang up job picking up on his sarcasm :silly:

[SUSkinsFan]

And you did a bang up job picking up on his sarcasm :silly:It's been a long day...I am now a victim of self-ownage

[Corcaigh]

Any bias of the BBC is only a concern for the British taxpayer, which funds the BBC through license fees.

As others have commented Europeans in general are more liberal than Americans. Most Brits would think it laughable to consider CNN as liberally-biased.

[JMS]

Liberal = Palestinian support (like Hillary kissing the PLO)


Actually you are about a decade old on that critism of Hillary. It's true she was one of the first to come out and proclaim support for a separate state for the Palistinians, but since she did that it has become the official position of both Republicans and the Democratic parties; as well as many conservative Israeli's.


Hillary almost a decade ago reversed herself on some of the Israeli rhetoric. Likely because she was elected Senator of New York one of the few states where the Jewish vote is concentrated in this country. I don't believe pro Israeli lobbies currently have any problem with Hillary, after all she has been the senator for many of them for the last half decade or more.

[alexey]

I am not sure if it should be called "anti-Israeli reporting" where there actually is balance in coverage with how Isael is presented. Our media is so incredibly pro-Israel (similar to our media being liberal prior to FoxNews) that it just seems that the BBC is anti-Israel
pro- and anti- Israel usually comes down to how Palestenians are reported. Both are pretty bad at reporting the plight of the Palestenians. American outlets simply do not cover it. BBC, on the other hand, runs "Polywood" type stories. I would not say those are similar enough to be placed on the same pro-anti line.

[JMS]

So I wonder if Israelis would prefer a McCain or Obama?


And I wonder if Israelis look at Bush's presidency and the Iraq war as a disaster?


Good point. Even conservative Israeli's are far to the left of American liberals on social and domestic issues. Israel is after all a socialist country.

Was that your point?

[zoony]

As others have commented Europeans in general are more liberal than Americans. Most Brits would think it laughable to consider CNN as liberally-biased.


I think the definition of liberal changes greatly though, so you can't really compare the two.


"Liberal" Europeans who believe in greater government involvement and more socialism also could (and often are), in the same instance, be incredibly racist and or xenophobic.


European Socialism tends to grow out of an extreme sense of nationalism and pride... while American socialism tends to grow out of a general unhappiness with the country and a desire for change.

jmho, but I think anyone who has spent any amount of time in Europe would agree, including yourself :)

[JMS]

The BBC is biased against Israel because they used stock photo's of Israel bull dozing a terrorists home rather than having the actual photo's of the terrorists home, or that of his family?


I don't understand why Israel is gripping or why the BBC appologized. Isn't it official Israeli policy to bull doze the homes of the families of terrorists? Holding the families responsible for the crimes of their fathers, and sons...

So the BBC used stock photos and reported the bull dozing early. It's sloppy reporting, but it hardly paints a misleading understanding of what's happenning on the ground...

I guess America's own "Liberal" media, which failed to report not only this bull dozing, but all Israeli bull dozing homes reflects the "good American liberals". Or is it that for the sake of this story America now has a conservative press?

The question I have, this storry was from Saterday 3/22, now on Monday 3/24 is the home still standing? I think not.

Why is it Anti Israeli to report on this policy Israel has now been using for decades.

Now If Israel renounced their policy, and the BBC still reported it going on; that they should appologize for.

[mad4comp]

This is why I don't trust any of the media outlets for information on the middle-east, they just make up BS for the sake of ratings and air them......its just plain ridiculous.

Just watch this... i know its a little lengthy, but trust me, its worth it... (I actually laughed through the whole thing).

http://youtube.com/watch?v=t_B1H-1opys

BBC is not the only news outlet that airs anti-israel crap time after time....Fox, Cnn, MSNBC etc.... are all guilty of it.

[JMS]

I think the definition of liberal changes greatly though, so you can't really compare the two.


"Liberal" Europeans who believe in greater government involvement and more socialism also could (and often are), in the same instance, be incredibly racist and or xenophobic.


:doh: In reality Israel is one of the most socialized countries in the world. And of coarse their brand of socialism is European socialism.

[IHOPSkins]

.....If the media is liberal wouldn’t they want what is in the best for the democrats in the next election? What is in their best interest......

I did Not say there was a "Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy"...like Hillary thinks about the right

And there are liberals that support Obama...that would not support Hillary

If the Media was conservative....wouldn't there be more records of their donations?....

"An unusual source-MSNBC-has provided the latest documentation of the liberal bias in the mainstream media"
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/msnbc-confirms-liberal-media-bias/

[zoony]

:doh: In reality Israel is one of the most socialized countries in the world. And of coarse their brand of socialism is European socialism.


Either you missed the point, or you think the rampant racism and anti-semitism that exists in Europe is an unfair label that has arbitrarily been applied.

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[33]

The BBC is government owned. I don't think that really qualifies for MSM.

And I don't think there is much of an anti-Israel bias in the media or with liberals who don't protest for a living.

[Corcaigh]

European Socialism tends to grow out of an extreme sense of nationalism and pride... while American socialism tends to grow out of a general unhappiness with the country and a desire for change.



There's no shortage of xenophobia and racism in Europe but it's not usually socialist/liberal. In general you would see the socialists opposed to the ardent nationalists.

[Prosperity]

Wait... Western Europeans harbor resentment towards Judaism? Say it ain't so!

....

Not any more than they do for Muslims

[zoony]

There's no shortage of xenophobia and racism in Europe but it's not usually socialist/liberal. In general you would see the socialists opposed to the ardent nationalists.


But my point is that in Europe, the "libs" would be high-fiving Sarge in his "keep dem dern Mexicans outta here" thread, while in the US, it would be the oppositte.

[lovellj]

Not any more than they do for Muslims

Spot on. While there is certainly a bit of antisemitism present in much of Europe, the level of bias and racism (or whatever you refer to it as) against Muslims is significantly higher.

[JMS]

Either you missed the point, or you think the rampant racism and anti-semitism that exists in Europe is an unfair label that has arbitrarily been applied.

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Now the BBC is racist and anti semitic?

I thought the thread was about the Evil BBC which used stock footage when reporting on an Israeli policy which has been taking place for decades in that country. The policy of holding the children and elderly family members of criminals responsible for the crimes of their fathers, sons and grand children.

I think the BBC was responsible for sloppy journalim, but the picture they painted is still representative of what is happening on the ground in the occupied territories. As I said before this story is two days old, care to wager on whether that home still stands today, will still be standing this time next week?

We are talking about a well documented official Isreali policy are we not?

[Corcaigh]

But my point is that in Europe, the "libs" would be high-fiving Sarge in his "keep dem dern Mexicans outta here" thread, while in the US, it would be the oppositte.

Unless I'm missing your argument completely, this is not my experience. The "European libs" are the ones who favor multi-culturalism and at times tolerate all sorts of nonsense.

There is a highly nationalistic blue collar element to some European societies, but they aren't socialists. Those who hate foreigners in Europe are usually on the far right, not the left.

[IHOPSkins]

Now the BBC is racist and anti semitic?.....

The BBC admits it is biased.....

"Senior BBC figures have acknowledged that the corporation could suffer from "groupthink" which tended towards a liberal world view and had led to certain opinions being under-represented on subjects such as Europe and immigration."
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/06/should_the_bbc_fess_up_to_libe_1.html
My emphasis

Original BBC Document....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/research/impartiality.html



Its not a matter of "IF" MSM media is liberally biased.....its a matter of degree

[bedlamVR]

The BBC is government owned. I don't think that really qualifies for MSM.

And I don't think there is much of an anti-Israel bias in the media or with liberals who don't protest for a living.

I am from the UK and I used to be proud of the BBC but tis current labor (liberal/socialist) government took their balls just like our government has no balls . The press should give a balanced picture of world event unfortunately the BBC has fallen into the bracket of tabloid media . The BBC always used to be a bias free gold standard in world journalism . That has not been the case in for years .

The BBC, like most terrestrial TV in the UK is funded by the government but not run by them. However it is becoming the unofficial spokesperson for the liberal agenda .

The situation in Israel is very complex and two sided but all we ever hear about from the BBC is how a 6 year old boy was killed by the heartless Israel military... like they are demons with guns just randomly getting bored and taking to the streets guns blazing ... we rarely hear in the UK the fact rockets, explosive devices are being fired into residential streets in towns in Israel, not military target not government buildings not occupied terrortories but streets in Israel .

The fact is in the UK we had our terrorist problem, I live near two towns in northern england in which the IRA targeted, Manchester and Warrington - neither military towns both bombs were on busy shopping days a hot summers day in June, just before fathers day in Manchester (I WAS THERE), no lives were lost in that bombing but the heart of the city was ripped out, in Warrington we were not so lucky. We like the Spanish should have nothing but disdain for terrorists and yet we make them heroes .

The idea that terrorism is a "meens to an ends" is rubbish . As soon as you resort to terrorist tactics the cause your fighting for gets lost. The only aim of terrorism is terror . Not peace not justice but terror and fear and hatred . For that reason as long as murderers thugs and child killers like Gerry Adams and McGuinness, Whinny Mandella and the ANC and others who came to the ballot box with a gun stuffed in their waistband there will never be peace .

[Coltsfan in VA]

The BBC admits it is biased.....

"Senior BBC figures have acknowledged that the corporation could suffer from "groupthink" which tended towards a liberal world view and had led to certain opinions being under-represented on subjects such as Europe and immigration."
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/organgrinder/2007/06/should_the_bbc_fess_up_to_libe_1.html
My emphasis

Original BBC Document....
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctrust/research/impartiality.html



Its not a matter of "IF" MSM media is liberally biased.....its a matter of degree

You missed the point. The argument isn't whether BBC is liberal or not. It is that Liberalism has nothing to do with being pro-israel or anti-israel.

[IHOPSkins]

You missed the point. The argument isn't whether BBC is liberal or not. It is that Liberalism has nothing to do with being pro-israel or anti-israel.

So lets count articles about BBC bias

You get the pro-israel ones......:snore:

I get the ones that point to the BBC bias against Israel and is part of the Liberal MSM

Guess who wins

[Destino]

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125664
"(IsraelNN.com) A media monitoring organization and a British citizen forced the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) to apologize for blatant anti-Israel news coverage. They caught the network “red-handed,” reporting falsely."

[/url]


I am getting very tired dealing with people that do not admit Liberal Media Bias
I will now make it my duty to point these items out

And lets be clear

I am not saying there is Never a conservative bias......or a corporate bias for that matter

BUT

The overwhelming majority of political bias in the MSM leans to the left
This job will be easy to show....the hard part is getting liberals to admit it

You sure got the right wing lingo down. I've never met anyone outside of the dedicated right wing media fan base that uses the term "MSM".

I think the left wing media bias thing is crap. It's a great campaign ploy to be certain and the people behind it certainly did a great job pulling it off. I also enjoy how bias is never spoken of in degrees it's always some bias = all bias. That way the the washington post equates to the washington times despite the fact that one of the too is grossly bias to a degree that is almost laughable. In this way the strategists have taken advantage of the republican brain's inability to see shades of grey.

Also before you go dedicating you life to proving your tin foil theory is true and that everyone else is crazy... go to [url]http://www.mediaresearch.org/ (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/125664) and you'll see that other crazier people have already taken on this task of proving the main stream is bias and the bias media is factual. Good luck with your adventures in bizzarro world.

[IHOPSkins]

.....Good luck with your adventures in bizzarro world.

Bizzarro World rates well..........

Now visiting you in the land of DENIAL does not seem so pretty

[Destino]

Bizzarro World rates well..........

Now visiting you in the land of DENIAL does not seem so pretty
That's right... the truth is out there! lol

Sorry but the fact that your left wing counter parts make the same damn arguments you are making with the opposite conclusion just makes you both seem crazy. They aren't short on anecdotal "media caught in bias" stories either. Wingnuts... you're all crazy.

Then again maybe the "MSM" has brainwashed me.

[SkinsHokieFan]

You sure got the right wing lingo down. I've never met anyone outside of the dedicated right wing media fan base that uses the term "MSM".

.

Are you serious? :laugh:

Have you ever scanned Democrat Underground or Daily Kos?

The term "MSM" and corporate media is thrown around there in every other post

[Waldo da Magnificent]

So lets count articles about BBC bias

You get the pro-israel ones......:snore:

I get the ones that point to the BBC bias against Israel and is part of the Liberal MSM

Guess who wins

So, based on this logic, Nazi Germany was a liberal bastion???

[jpyaks3]

American media tends to be incredibly pro Israeli, to the point that it is worse then the Israeli media at criticizing or pointing out flaws in Israels policies. Rarely is the Middle East reported on fairly and its a shame but the bias goes both ways.

[Destino]

Are you serious? :laugh:

Have you ever scanned Democrat Underground or Daily Kos?

The term "MSM" and corporate media is thrown around there in every other post
You're right. The other crazies use the same term while making the same type of arguments.

[Destino]

BTW for those of you that haven't figured out the scam it goes like this. If you show Palestinian violence and Israeli violence, your the liberal media. If you show Palestinian violence while labeling them "homocide bombers" and praying for Israel, your a conservative voice. By this standard anything that isn't completely slanted to the point of stupidity can be labeled "liberal" and used to further the argument that the media is liberal.

[Midnight Judges]

BTW for those of you that haven't figured out the scam it goes like this. If you show Palestinian violence and Israeli violence, your the liberal media. If you show Palestinian violence while labeling them "homocide bombers" and praying for Israel, your a conservative voice. By this standard anything that isn't completely slanted to the point of stupidity can be labeled "liberal" and used to further the argument that the media is liberal.

Why do you hate jews?

[Burgold]

American media tends to be incredibly pro Israeli, to the point that it is worse then the Israeli media at criticizing or pointing out flaws in Israels policies. Rarely is the Middle East reported on fairly and its a shame but the bias goes both ways.

This is untrue, especially in regards to the Palestinian issue. The truth is that it's cyclical. There are some periods where almost all of the attention is pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and then there winds up being a backlash and a swings towards being pro-Israel. The reporting rides the waves of sentiment. I will agree that most American news is incredibly driven by looking at things from the U.S. point of view.

[Destino]

Why do you hate jews?
because they own every media outlet/bagel shop in the world and control them from their secret jewey moon base.

[JMS]

This is untrue, especially in regards to the Palestinian issue. The truth is that it's cyclical. There are some periods where almost all of the attention is pro-Palestinian and anti-Israel and then there winds up being a backlash and a swings towards being pro-Israel. The reporting rides the waves of sentiment. I will agree that most American news is incredibly driven by looking at things from the U.S. point of view.


Burgold, I disagree with you there.

The United States press is heavily heavily biased in favor of Israel and has been for 70 years.. So much so that most Americans while fiercely pro Israel, don't even know why the Palistinians are pissed off. Also, there is a much richer and better informed political debate on the Palistinian Israeli troubles in Israel itself than in the United States.

The premise that there is a conservative liberal divide on support for Israel is nonsensical. The reality is American liberals have supported Israel since the day they declaired themselves a nation. American conservatives, especially the evangelicals are the new guys at the party who can trace their support back only for the last two or three decades.

As far as American Presidents go, I don't think you can find one since Truman who wasn't pro Israeli, much less anti Israeli.

[JMS]

You're right. The other crazies use the same term while making the same type of arguments.

What does "MSM" stand for? I would google for it, but I'm afraid of what might come back.

[Thiebear]

I'm pretty sure almost everyone knows why they are pissed off as you say.
It was called the 6 day war.
It was called firing back with bigger weapons.
It was the wall
It was the fact the Jews won't drown themselves to allow the Palestinians/Jordon/Iran/Syria Gov't what it really wants. Everything.

[Thiebear]

What does "MSM" stand for? I would google for it, but I'm afraid of what might come back.
Main Stream media

[JMS]

So, based on this logic, Nazi Germany was a liberal bastion???



Dude you haven't been keeping up with the Orwellian historical rewrites that have been ongoing.



According to the new Right thinking, Fascism and Communism are both extremist positions on the far left. According to them there is no historical extremist philosophy originating on the far right.



No joke, we've had that debate here. Their political spectrum isn't a line; it's a ray originating with conservative and moving more and more into depravity.

[Destino]

What does "MSM" stand for? I would google for it, but I'm afraid of what might come back.
Main stream media.

[JMS]

I'm pretty sure almost everyone knows why they are pissed off as you say.
It was called the 6 day war.
It was called firing back with bigger weapons.
It was the wall
It was the fact the Jews won't drown themselves to allow the Palestinians/Jordon/Iran/Syria Gov't what it really wants. Everything.

Wrong.

The First Arab Israeli war was the war of independence in 1948. All the reason's you gave happenned 20 years latter or more. The six day war was 1967. Israel having bigger weapons happenned in the early 1970's. The wall just happenned in the mid to late 1990's.

The troubles date to the founding of the modern state of Israel in 1948 and the Philosophy of Zionism.

( Zionism originated in the late 1800's and is the philosophy advocating the recreation of a Jewish homeland in what was a province of the Ottoman empire and latter a populated British protectorate of Palistine )

The reason the Palestinians are pissed is because when Israel was founded in 1948, they displaced the people who had been living there for thousands of years and moved them en mass into camps all on religous grounds.

The reason the Palestinians are pissed is because every Israeli home which predates the war of independece used to be a Palistinian home. Every Israeli home built since the war of independence was built on top of a Palistinian home or Palistinian land.

The reason the Palistinians are pissed is because largely European refugee's displaced by WWII, with almost no ties to the Middle East decended upon them en mass and took their homes by force of arms all based upon religous affiliation which the vast majority of the population living in that area before WWII, did not share. In which the majority of the population in 1948, did not share.

( The British Mandate of Palistine existed from 1920 - 1948, and ended in the Israeli war of independence. Before the British mandate Jews made up 1/6th of the population of Palistine. At the end of the British mandate(1948) Jews made up almost 1/3 of the population of Palistine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Mandate_of_Palestine#The_Yishuv
).

That religious affiliation continues to be the most important attribute for Israeli citizenship today. Recent Russian immigrants who have no ties to Israel have more rights in Israel today, than Arabs who's families have lived there for thousands of years all based upon religion.

That is why the Palistinians pissed.

And before I am flamed, Let me just add, I'm not saying anything that isn't taken as historical fact anywhere else in the world including Israel. The only place these stateemnts are questioned is the United States, where the population is mostly ignorant of the origins of the conflict.

[Burgold]

Burgold, I disagree with you there.

The United States press is heavily heavily biased in favor of Israel and has been for 70 years..

The premise that there is a conservative liberal divide on support for Israel is nonsensical. The reality is American liberals have supported Israel since the day they declaired themselves a nation.

I agree with the thought that the support of Israel is not a conservative or liberal issue.

I disagree with your interpretation of the media slant. This, however, is a perceptual issue and almost impossible to prove. I remember very long stretches (mostly prior to 9/11) where almost all of the news had a pro-Palestinian spin. They were the beset people, struggling to survive and the Israelis were the cruel overlords, suppressing them and victimizing them.

This issue is like all of the media bias issues though. If you are a member of one group you hear words very differently and the language which makes one person cautious is not even heard by the other.

In the last few years, there certainly has been more sympathy for the Israeli plight, but I think that has to do with the fear and understanding of terrorism.

[JMS]

I disagree with your interpretation of the media slant. This, however, is a perceptual issue and almost impossible to prove. I remember very long stretches (mostly prior to 9/11) where almost all of the news had a pro-Palestinian spin. They were the beset people, struggling to survive and the Israelis were the cruel overlords, suppressing them and victimizing them..

I don't know if the media ever reached the point where they were even handed much less biased for the Palistinians, but I will agree with you that for a time there during the Clinton Peace talks in the late 1990's what was happenning in Israel on the ground on a daily basis found itself splashed on the front page of US papers.

I still don't understand what went on there. You think it was a Clinton strategum to raise awareness/pressure on the eve of the peace talks? Remember this was right around the time where Clinton helped engineer the moderate Ehud Barak becoming PM of Israel.

Then again it was during the Intifada where rock throwing youths were combating Israeli soldiers armed with American weapons. It did make for great video. Maybe that explains the US presses interests at that time.

If it was just another Clinton strategum to complement the ongoing peace process, it would be hard to exlain. I can't believe the President has ever had that type of control over the media.