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RedlightG20
April-7th-2008, 08:11 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html

The Internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web, the grid could also provide the kind of power needed to transmit holographic images; allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players; and offer high-definition video telephony for the price of a local call.

David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a leading figure in the grid project, believes grid technologies could “revolutionise” society. “With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine,” he said.

The power of the grid will become apparent this summer after what scientists at Cern have termed their “red button” day - the switching-on of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), the new particle accelerator built to probe the origin of the universe. The grid will be activated at the same time to capture the data (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html#) it generates.

Cern, based near Geneva, started the grid computing project seven years ago when researchers realised the LHC would generate annual data equivalent to 56m CDs - enough to make a stack 40 miles high (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html#).

This meant that scientists at Cern - where Sir Tim Berners-Lee invented the web in 1989 - would no longer be able to use his creation for fear of causing a global collapse.

This is because the Internet (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html#) has evolved by linking together a hotchpotch of cables and routing equipment, much of which was originally designed for telephone calls and therefore lacks the capacity for high-speed data transmission.

By contrast, the grid has been built with dedicated fibre optic cables and modern routing centres, meaning there are no outdated components to slow the deluge of data. The 55,000 servers already installed are expected to rise to 200,000 within the next two years.

Professor Tony Doyle, technical director of the grid project, said: “We need so much processing power, there would even be an issue about getting enough electricity to run the computers (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html#) if they were all at Cern. The only answer was a new network powerful enough to send the data instantly to research centres in other countries.”

That network, in effect a parallel Internet, is now built, using fibre optic cables that run from Cern to 11 centres in the United States, Canada, the Far East, Europe and around the world.

One terminates at the Rutherford Appleton laboratory at Harwell in Oxfordshire.

From each centre, further connections radiate out to a host of other research institutions using existing high-speed academic networks.

It means Britain alone has 8,000 servers on the grid system – so that any student or academic will theoretically be able to hook up to the grid rather than the internet from this autumn.

Ian Bird, project leader for Cern’s high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.
“It will lead to what’s known as cloud computing, where people keep all their information online and access it from anywhere,” he said.

Computers on the grid can also transmit data at lightning speed. This will allow researchers facing heavy processing tasks to call on the assistance of thousands of other computers around the world. The aim is to eliminate the dreaded “frozen screen” experienced by internet users who ask their machine to handle too much information.

The real goal of the grid is, however, to work with the LHC in tracking down nature’s most elusive particle, the Higgs boson. Predicted in theory but never yet found, the Higgs is supposed to be what gives matter mass.

The LHC has been designed to hunt out this particle - but even at optimum performance it will generate only a few thousand of the particles a year. Analysing the mountain of data will be such a large task that it will keep even the grid’s huge capacity busy for years to come.

Although the grid itself is unlikely to be directly available to domestic internet users, many telecoms providers and businesses are already introducing its pioneering technologies. One of the most potent is so-called dynamic switching, which creates a dedicated channel for internet users trying to download large volumes of data such as films. In theory this would give a standard desktop computer the ability to download a movie in five seconds rather than the current three hours or so.

Additionally, the grid is being made available to dozens of other academic researchers including astronomers and molecular biologists.

It has already been used to help design new drugs against malaria, the mosquito-borne disease that kills 1m people worldwide each year. Researchers used the grid to analyse 140m compounds - a task that would have taken a standard internet-linked PC 420 years.

“Projects like the grid will bring huge changes in business and society as well as science,” Doyle said.

“Holographic video conferencing is not that far away. Online gaming could evolve to include many thousands of people, and social networking (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html#) could become the main way we communicate.

“The history of the internet shows you cannot predict its real impacts but we know they will be huge.”

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With scientists working on blazing fast internet and organic computers that "learn" like human brains, I predict that robots take over the planet by year 2016.

herrmag
April-7th-2008, 08:13 AM
I don't care how fast it is or what new technology it uses, Comcast will still find a way to **** it up.

10fttall
April-7th-2008, 08:17 AM
the Large Hadron Collider (LHC),
Whew, had to read that one a few times before I got it right...:yikes:

China
April-7th-2008, 08:22 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,347212,00.html

The Internet could soon be made obsolete. The scientists who pioneered it have now built a lightning-fast replacement capable of downloading entire feature films within seconds.

At speeds about 10,000 times faster than a typical broadband connection, “the grid” will be able to send the entire Rolling Stones back catalogue from Britain to Japan in less than two seconds.

The latest spin-off from Cern, the particle physics centre that created the web...


This story must be false. We all know that Al Gore invented the internet.

portisizzle
April-7th-2008, 08:29 AM
Privacy in this day and age is quickly becoming a myth.

outbaksean
April-7th-2008, 08:33 AM
Privacy in this day and age is quickly becoming a myth.
well... not really.

portisizzle
April-7th-2008, 08:34 AM
well... not really.

Ian Bird, project leader for Cern’s high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.

outbaksean
April-7th-2008, 08:35 AM
Ian Bird, project leader for Cern’s high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.
And why should that have anything to do with privacy

portisizzle
April-7th-2008, 08:38 AM
And why should that have anything to do with privacy

Just my two cents. Not really worth debating. :)

Dan T.
April-7th-2008, 08:41 AM
Woohoo!!! 3-D porn!!!

alexey
April-7th-2008, 08:45 AM
From what I understand when information travels around the Net nowadays it makes "hops" as light over fiber-optic cables, but then gets translated into electrons at each juncture, then goes back as light over the next hop. Not having to go back and forth between light and electrons would really speed things up. Some day the whole computer will be using light to carry signals instead of electricity.

Zguy28
April-7th-2008, 08:47 AM
Ian Bird, project leader for Cern’s high-speed computing project, said grid technology could make the internet so fast that people would stop using desktop computers to store information and entrust it all to the internet.Isn't that what most people do now?

The only personal stuff I store on my local desktop at home is my Turbo-Tax files. Otherwise, everything is internet based. Credit Cards, Insurance policies, Utilities etc.

As an IT culture, we are evolving back into a mainframe philosophy. We're already doing it at my company. We're replacing desktops with thin-clients (Neoware dummy terminals) that attach to servers.

outbaksean
April-7th-2008, 08:48 AM
I can't wait for a computer to be surgically implanted in my head.

Zguy28
April-7th-2008, 08:48 AM
From what I understand when information travels around the Net nowadays it makes "hops" as light over fiber-optic cables, but then gets translated into electrons at each juncture, then goes back as light over the next hop. Not having to go back and forth between light and electrons would really speed things up. Some day the whole computer will be using light to carry signals instead of electricity.The CIA at Langley uses fiber to its office desktops instead of ethernet. Now that's nice. :D

RedlightG20
April-7th-2008, 08:50 AM
Well the thing is, we often have much of our information already saved on the internet. Bank accounts, file servers, personal websites, photo albums. There is so much of our personal information out there that we trust to people we will never meet. Privacy is thrown out the window once your computer first connects to the internet. In the future, security will be a bigger issue should we continue our habits of having our information stored out on the internet somewhere. And I don't necessarily think that is a good nor a bad thing.

Bang
April-7th-2008, 08:53 AM
And why should that have anything to do with privacy
Because nothing on the internet is truly secure no matter how much anyone would like you to believe it is.
If everyone started using the internet, or the grid, to store all of their files, then everyone's files are now accessible.

~Bang

outbaksean
April-7th-2008, 08:55 AM
Because nothing on the internet is truly secure no matter how much anyone would like you to believe it is.
If everyone started using the internet, or the grid, to store all of their files, then everyone's files are now accessible.

~Bang
files on my desktop or in my actual desk are never truly secure either. anyway, nobodys forcing me to put files on the internet/grid.

cyfar
April-7th-2008, 09:05 AM
I don't care how fast it is or what new technology it uses, Comcast will still find a way to **** it up.
Amen to that. :laugh:

Dan T.
April-7th-2008, 09:12 AM
Do you ever sit back and marvel at the information EXPLOSION we've experienced in the last 15 years or so? The Internet is a miracle, with the unfathomable amount of information available with a few keystrokes. I find myself getting impatient if I have to wait 6 seconds for an Internet page to load. Then I stop to consider that pre-Internet, in order to get that same information people would have had to get in a car and drive to a library. (For you younger kids, a "library" was a big building where "books" were stored, and people could borrow them. A "book" was a printed text on sheets of paper bound together with a protective cover.)

Corcaigh
April-7th-2008, 09:20 AM
I think this story is really stretching the impact at the personal level. Already today you could have just about all of your personal files on the web unless you are heavily into multi-media. The connection speeds are already adequate for that.

The story here is that these physics experiments are generating so much data the regular Internet and computer networks can't handle it. Modeling these types of experiments and interpreting the data used to take many days on the fastest supercomputers. The new distributed grid will make this all faster, but the impact on the man in the street will be minimal until the research techniques see new cures for diseases.

Fifty Gut
April-7th-2008, 09:48 AM
"allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players"

*drools*

RedlightG20
April-7th-2008, 02:06 PM
"allow instant online gaming with hundreds of thousands of players"

*drools*

That brings up another issue. With all this great bandwidth at our disposal, and as computing power increases each day, more and more people would perhaps become less social. Just think of how many lives were/are messed up because of the game Everquest.

Now think of the possibilities of submersive massively multiplayer games that can connect hundreds of thousands of people with increased speed and graphics. Gameplay would be so engaging that no one would go outside. Way more engaging than anything we have today.

Fifty Gut
April-7th-2008, 02:30 PM
That brings up another issue. With all this great bandwidth at our disposal, and as computing power increases each day, more and more people would perhaps become less social. Just think of how many lives were/are messed up because of the game Everquest.

Now think of the possibilities of submersive massively multiplayer games that can connect hundreds of thousands of people with increased speed and graphics. Gameplay would be so engaging that no one would go outside. Way more engaging than anything we have today.

You don't have to leave the house to be social. This isn't the 50s anymore. So what if kids aren't out playing sports, chasing each other around the neighborhood. The reason? Video games are more fun than the bull**** I did as a kid (minus the occasional nighttime game of flashlight tag). So be it. This is the reality of life these days. Accept it or get left behind. :cool: Sure kids are fatter now because they aren't forced to be non-lethargic but that ain't my problem.

Jumbo
April-7th-2008, 02:31 PM
Matrix uploaded.

dchogs
April-7th-2008, 02:59 PM
That brings up another issue. With all this great bandwidth at our disposal, and as computing power increases each day, more and more people would perhaps become less social. Just think of how many lives were/are messed up because of the game Everquest.

Now think of the possibilities of submersive massively multiplayer games that can connect hundreds of thousands of people with increased speed and graphics. Gameplay would be so engaging that no one would go outside. Way more engaging than anything we have today.

or we'll find that our current notions of being social are old fashioned and out dated. if the gaming is "that" good, it might just be better than going outside into the wasteland that is earth.

wait a sec, i think that was just "the matrix." carry on.

jpillian
April-7th-2008, 03:01 PM
1) While the Grid will most likely not effect the "common man", certainly similar projects based on optical-based networking technologies will have the effects stated in this article. No doubt in my mind.

2)I contend that there is a good probability that the Social Security benefits shortfall may never in fact occur -- or its effects may be greatly diminished. Do you really think a society where the average Joe and Jane is becoming increasingly obese will really exceed the life expectancies of their parents? Such advances will only increase the pervasiveness of a sedentary lifestyle.

Not that I don't think vastly increased bandwidth wouldn't be a cool thing; as with all things, there will be some unintended consequences. Who knows.

Dan T.
April-7th-2008, 04:13 PM
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tats bs if you don't tink it will affect te common man-- olograpic imaging a completely immersive 3d experience -- able to work 3d dimensions man you wouldn't even need a mouse just a 3d scanner and proJector it would be te JAMMY jAM.


my keyboard is messed up btw.

This post, talking about unimaginable technological advances, with that kicker, wins the irony-of-the-day award!! :laugh: :laugh:

daveakl
April-7th-2008, 06:31 PM
You don't have to leave the house to be social. This isn't the 50s anymore. So what if kids aren't out playing sports, chasing each other around the neighborhood. The reason? Video games are more fun than the bull**** I did as a kid (minus the occasional nighttime game of flashlight tag). So be it. This is the reality of life these days. Accept it or get left behind. :cool: Sure kids are fatter now because they aren't forced to be non-lethargic but that ain't my problem.

Sad but true. Sad in that if people could just plug into a grid and be who they want, when they want, where they want, and with who they wanted then many people would do it in a heart beat. Couple in the fact that they have the ability to experience the events in such a way that it "feels" real, what's the reason to be in the "real" world anymore. At it's basic form an event is just a series of neurological firings in your own mind to create a memory. Each person's memory of any event is unique and also changes over time. Imagine if you could live out your wildest fantasy in a way that seemed 100% real to every sense. Now imagine you can relive that memory over and over or tweak it each time to be better.

Reic
April-8th-2008, 12:06 AM
Just think of how many lives were/are messed up because of the game Everquest.



EverQuest is the ****, I played EQ1 and 2 for 6 years lol.

Spaceman Spiff
April-8th-2008, 03:56 AM
No more ES? :(

jpillian
April-8th-2008, 06:46 AM
No more ES? :(

Holographic ES!! :laugh: