Trade Randle El

[81tothehall]

I would love to package ARE and a 3rd round pick next year to Miami for Jason Taylor. We now have kick returners and arguably more talented wr's. When was the last time anybody saw Seattle run a gadget play? I think that if we could pull this trade or something similar and bring in Vince Hall and Erin Henderson as Undrafted Free Agents we might just possibly be looking at a Super Bowl run.

[WilberMWarrior58]

I like Randel El. I'd be against that trade.

[dfitzo53]

I'm not sure they'd let Jason Taylor go for that.

[Jimbo]

I don't feel like we upgraded the D-Line at all. Not sure what kind of cap hit we'd take for Randle-El but I wouldn't be opposed to trading for Jason Taylor as a short-term fix. He deserves to play on a good team for his last couple of years.

[81tothehall]

Do you like Randle El more than a top notch pass rusher?

[BRAVEONAWARPATH]

That won't happen but I've never been that enamored
with Randle-EL. He's making far too much money for
being basically a 3rd wideout. :(

[SteveFromYellowstone]

Jason Taylor is 33 years old and probably mentally checked out of football. Randle El is our slot reciever, and we cannot trade him without knowing if Thomas or Kelly are going to work out. No way.

[AAARedskin]

I love Randel El too, but if these young WRs that were just drafted are the real deal, he may be out of a job with the Skins in time....

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

Bad idea. The cap hit, even after June 1st would be too great. As well, he hasn't had an opportunity to be a slot receiver in a WCO, something he should excel at. He is a high character veteran. We need him to mentor the youth. Perhaps NEXT offseason if he doesn't fit into our new scheme, but absolutely no way this offseason.

[81tothehall]

I think we could make somthing like this happen. I thought I heard yesterday that the Dolphins were shopping him for a 2nd round pick.

[IHOPSkins]

.....We now have kick returners and arguably more talented wr's.....

I guess Moss starts...

Who is #2?

Who is #3?

Oh Really

[Higgs44]

Jason Taylor and Andre Carter = 200 yards a game rushing AGAINST us

[SC_RedskinsFan]

I think we should keep ARE. We should run gadget plays and you need him to do that, to keep other team honest. Just b/c we drafted 2 WR's doesnt mean now we can get rid of one. This is why everybody has been happy this offseason, b/c we have kept our players. Why go now and give him away now?

[D-Day]

Awesome Idea, a 4 - 5 million dollar cap hit (quick math) + a third round pick for a two year rental.

How about we keep the pick for when this team is ready to realistically compete in 09 when we might need it to trade up to grab an elite prospect or something. Randel El is needed on this team....

Bad idea...

[81tothehall]

I like him as a person but the truth is he is one of the most high paid underperforming wr's in the league. I think he still has a lot of perceived value but I can't think of one guy who has made more money out of one play (even though it was the super bowl) in the history of the NFL. He is even one of the worst punt returners in the league statitically speaking.

[D-Day]

I think we could make somthing like this happen. I thought I heard yesterday that the Dolphins were shopping him for a 2nd round pick.

and they will never get it....

Third at most

[jnhay]

Jason Taylor is barely worth a 3rd rounder next year alone.

[tml6157]

i wouldnt mind moving ARE for a DE but not Taylor. He is already on the outs.

[dyounker44]

ARE you crazy? Yalor is done in two seasons. El has the talent to give us seven to ten TDs a season if he is used properly

[81tothehall]

How is this team not realistically in competition for a super bowl? And by the way will somebody give me 5 teams where there #2 wr caught less balls for less yardage.

[AAARedskin]

Hey fellas, I agree....the Skins should keep Randel El for at least 1 more season, and then his talent and abilities can be evaluated, etc.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

To give you guys an idea of the #'s, it would be a $8.88M cap hit if we trade him before june 1st. A hit of $2.119M in '08 and a $6.761M in '09 if we trade him on or after june 1st. If you add that to Lloyd's cap hit, that is too much to manage.

[81tothehall]

We're not going to cut him, we would trade him.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

We're not going to cut him, we would trade him.I meant trade but am used to doing it for "cut" players. The #'s are the same though.

[#21Taylor4Ever]

I knew this would come.

Trading ARE would be completely foolish on our behalf, ESPECIALLY for an over-the-hill DE. No matter what some think about ARE, he saved our ass on many occasions since he's been here.

Negative on trading him.

[Redskins:Victory_or_Death]

No. A thousand times no.

What is the love affair w/ Jason Taylor? Great Defensive player w/ about 1-2 years left in the tank. (and a good dancer according to the wife) So what? No way in hell is he worth ARE and a 3rd. Give me a call when you want to talk about Ed Reed with that kind of trade.

Just my :2cents:.

[Hunter_R]

I like him as a person but the truth is he is one of the most high paid underperforming wr's in the league.
Unfortunately, the Skins have the other one, too.

[RDSKNfaithfull]

Wow :doh: Have you heard one press confrence from our new Head Coach? When ever asked about our recievers the first thing Zorn says is he can't wait to get El in the slot. He brings him up more than Moss. Pluss the guy played really well last year.

[GibbsFactor]

How is this team not realistically in competition for a super bowl? And by the way will somebody give me 5 teams where there #2 wr caught less balls for less yardage.



No pass rush, inconsistency at the QB spot. Last I checked, those are two key ingredients to a Super Bowl run.

[81tothehall]

So nobody else thinks that we are one big pass rusher away from being an elite team? I don't understand how in the heck we could be ready to hang Cerrato for not selecting the greatest DE to come out of the "U" (Calais Campbell, sarcasm) b/c we need a pass rusher, not a run stopper mind you, a pass rusher, yet the idea of dealing an underperforming gadget guy for Jason Taylor is rediculous. If you think anybody used him better than Pittsburgh did you're an absolute moron and he wasn't going to Pro Bowls then. I just don't get it, but maybe I'm the one who is crazy.

[Robbnva]

just my 2 cents but I have a feeling we made trade ARE. Moss, Cooley, MIX, Kelly, and that new receiving TE could be a decent set of receivers

[Robbnva]

So nobody else thinks that we are one big pass rusher away from being an elite team? I don't understand how in the heck we could be ready to hang Cerrato for not selecting the greatest DE to come out of the "U" (Calais Campbell, sarcasm) b/c we need a pass rusher, not a run stopper mind you, a pass rusher, yet the idea of dealing an underperforming gadget guy for Jason Taylor is rediculous. If you think anybody used him better than Pittsburgh did you're an absolute moron and he wasn't going to Pro Bowls then. I just don't get it, but maybe I'm the one who is crazy.

Vinny and company are fine subsituting Wilson and getting him to bulk up. They have alwasy said a pass rushing DE was NOT a priority in this round. I think Wilson will be used more often next season

[Califan007]

just my 2 cents but I have a feeling we made trade ARE. Moss, Cooley, MIX, Kelly, and that new receiving TE could be a decent set of receivers
Mix lol :laugh:...

[D-Day]

So nobody else thinks that we are one big pass rusher away from being an elite team? I don't understand how in the heck we could be ready to hang Cerrato for not selecting the greatest DE to come out of the "U" (Calais Campbell, sarcasm) b/c we need a pass rusher, not a run stopper mind you, a pass rusher, yet the idea of dealing an underperforming gadget guy for Jason Taylor is rediculous. If you think anybody used him better than Pittsburgh did you're an absolute moron and he wasn't going to Pro Bowls then. I just don't get it, but maybe I'm the one who is crazy.

I wasn't, we need a pass rushing DE but not one that is 34. That is so 2000. This team is being built for the future not mortgaging it.

[RabidFan]

He's a slot guy and was forced to play on the wing.....he's our Wes Welker if we finally choose to use him like that...which we can now with a real #2 opposite Moss with one of our draft picks....Moss gets dinged too so we need all our WRs

[isle-hawg]

WTFO? Another get rid of Randle El thread.:doh: Please explain to me why we want to get rid of our most productive receiver from last year who is still young, for an older defensive player.

Especially considering our Defense last year was a strong point for us and our lack of being able to put points on the board (especially in the 2nd half) was our downfall.

[mcarey032]

Why are we trying to trade a receiver who isn't that dominate to begin with? He's consistent yes, but dominate no. He is a good player and giving up a draft pick for a player who is 34 years old and may not play but for one year would be a mistake.

[LLandryistheshiz]

4 Words:



Hell to the no.

[Califan007]

He's a slot guy and was forced to play on the win.....he's our Wes Welker if we finally choose to use him like that...which we can now with a real #2 opposite Moss with one of our draft picks....Moss gets dinged too so we need all our WRs
We don't need all these WRs...I think our philosophy of plucking receivers off the street during the season or asking retired receivers to give up their job at Walmart and play a few games for us works extremely well AND saves us money.

Plus, Mix is better than ARE.

[81tothehall]

Punt Return Statistics
Player Returns FC Yds/Ret Long TD
Antwaan Randle El 34 7 6.1 27 0

Player Rec Yds Yds/Rec Long TD
Antwaan Randle El 51 728 14.3 54 1



Defense Statistics
Player Tot Solo Assist Sck Fumb
Jason Taylor 56 47 9 11 4


You guys tell me what guy would have made more of an impact.

[Califan007]

Punt Return Statistics
Player Returns FC Yds/Ret Long TD
Antwaan Randle El 34 7 6.1 27 0

Player Rec Yds Yds/Rec Long TD
Antwaan Randle El 51 728 14.3 54 1



Defense Statistics
Player Tot Solo Assist Sck Fumb
Jason Taylor 56 47 9 11 4


You guys tell me what guy would have made more of an impact.
You tell us who will make more of an impact 2 years from now.

[81tothehall]

ARE doesen't make a sinificant impact now. Rod Gardner had better numbers and we act like he was a total bust. We can get a 6 yd avg. punt return from my grandma.

[KNGwithOUTaCrwN]

uhmmm.......NO!

[Califan007]

ARE doesen't make a sinificant impact now. Rod Gardner had better numbers and we act like he was a total bust. We can get a 6 yd avg. punt return from my grandma.
What's her 40 time?

[JosephGibbs]

ARE is a great fill in for santanna when he get's injured as he often does (same size, maybe alittle slower). The front office would have to be banking heavily on the drafted receivers to do something like that. If we trade ARE and Santanna aggravates his hamstring as he usually does, that leaves us with James Thrash and 2 rookie wide receivers who are in their initial learning stages of the NFL: not a good situation to be in.

[81tothehall]

You don't need a good 40 time when you're only running 6 yards at atime.

[elkabong82]

How is this team not realistically in competition for a super bowl? And by the way will somebody give me 5 teams where there #2 wr caught less balls for less yardage.

Antwaan Randle El had 51 catches for 728 yards in 2007.

That's better than the 2nd WR for Dallas, Seattle, San Fran, Tampa, Atlanta, Carolina, Chicago, Minnesota, Miami, Jets, Bills, Jaguars, Tennessee, Oakland, KC, San Diego, Denver, Ravens, and Browns. That is more than 5. Stats aren't hard to look up.

In fact, there were at least 4 teams ARE did better than any receiver on that team. They are Oakland, Jaguars, San Diego, and Minnesota.

Trading ARE is not feasible because you actually have to consider cap hits when you discuss trades, and ARE's cap hit would not be favorable. We also don't need Jason Taylor, we need a DE who can stop the run. Sure a couple extra sacks are nice, but what does it matter when teams are running all over us.

[Califan007]

ARE is a great fill in for santanna when he get's injured as he often does (same size, maybe alittle slower). The front office would have to be banking heavily on the drafted receivers to do something like that. If we trade ARE and Santanna aggravates his hamstring as he usually does, that leaves us with James Thrash and 2 rookie wide receivers who are in their initial learning stages of the NFL: not a good situation to be in.
Don't forget MIX. He's tall, yanno.

[skindogger47]

Randle El was the only one that showed up in the Seattle playoff game. No way.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

You are conveniently avoiding the money issue, which is paramount in this situation. You can argue all you want about impact/effectiveness/etc. but what your are suggesting is virtually impossible. Something you have failed to address and clearly don't comprehend.

[rebornempowered]

I don't think the draft had anything to do with ARE but everything to do with a lack of confidence in Moss.

[Califan007]

Antwaan Randle El had 51 catches for 728 yards in 2007.

That's better than the 2nd WR for Dallas, Seattle, San Fran, Tampa, Atlanta, Carolina, Chicago, Minnesota, Miami, Jets, Bills, Jaguars, Tennessee, Oakland, KC, San Diego, Denver, Ravens, and Browns. That is more than 5. Stats aren't hard to look up.

In fact, there were at least 4 teams ARE did better than any receiver on that team. They are Oakland, Jaguars, San Diego, and Minnesota.

Trading ARE is not feasible because you actually have to consider cap hits when you discuss trades, and ARE's cap hit would not be favorable. We also don't need Jason Taylor, we need a DE who can stop the run. Sure a couple extra sacks are nice, but what does it matter when teams are running all over us.
Ouch lol...last time I checked, 19 was more than five.

We have MIX, by the way, don't forget. He's a tall one.

[Califan007]

I don't think the draft had anything to do with ARE but everything to do with a lack of confidence in Moss.
Has nothing to do with any lack of confidence in Moss, and has everything to do with furthering Jason Campbell's development.

[skinsince72]

ARE made some clutch catches last year. He is a very solid #3 and decent #2. Replace him at returns maybe, but not at WR.

[rumplestilskin]

Bad Idea. It seemed like last year the guy who gave the most effort was ARE. Too valuable. A third next year OK. But no EL

[elkabong82]

So nobody else thinks that we are one big pass rusher away from being an elite team? I don't understand how in the heck we could be ready to hang Cerrato for not selecting the greatest DE to come out of the "U" (Calais Campbell, sarcasm) b/c we need a pass rusher, not a run stopper mind you, a pass rusher, yet the idea of dealing an underperforming gadget guy for Jason Taylor is rediculous. If you think anybody used him better than Pittsburgh did you're an absolute moron and he wasn't going to Pro Bowls then. I just don't get it, but maybe I'm the one who is crazy.

Yeah, we need another pass rusher when the D has been top 10 3 of the last 4 years with a run-stopping DE on one side. :rolleyes: The Giants run a 3-4, which is why they can use 2 pass-rushing DEs. We run a 4-3, using 2 pass-rushing D's means teams run all over us. You really want that in a division with Barber, Jacobs, and Westbrook? I think the team knows their system way better than you do. You don't even understand cap ramifications for trades.

I think it is you who is looking like the moron. Randle El had is best year ever, statistically, this past season with the Skins, NOT with the Steelers.

http://www.nfl.com/players/antwaanrandleel/profile?id=RAN399604

Like I said, it helps if you actually look up stats before making an argument.

[81tothehall]

Okay Front Office Guru, are you saying that we absolutely can't afford it? If so I back off, my comprehension abiliy is just fine, I just haven't broken into Redskin Park and rifled through all contracts and did all the trade scenarios so I would be the most intelligent unemployed NFL front office man in America. Last I checked NOBODY on this board said that we needed a run-stopping DE in this draft. NOBODY. Every wr on this team will be in an initial learning stage this year so that point to me is invalid.

[DCchillin89]

Jason Taylor is 33 years old and probably mentally checked out of football. Randle El is our slot reciever, and we cannot trade him without knowing if Thomas or Kelly are going to work out. No way.


Mentally checked out from football? The guy had more sacks than any other redskin this year! I would love him, but I really think that Zorn is committed to making ARE a permanent slot receiver, and giving him an opportunity to act as a Wes Welker type receiver...

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Ouch lol...last time I checked, 19 was more than five.

We have MIX, by the way, don't forget. He's a tall one.

Please tell me you're being sarcastic about Mix.

Tall does not equal good.

He's a special teamer, period.

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

Okay Front Office Guru, are you saying that we absolutely can't afford it? If so I back off, my comprehension abiliy is just fine, I just haven't broken into Redskin Park and rifled through all contracts and did all the trade scenarios so I would be the most intelligent unemployed NFL front office man in America. Last I checked NOBODY on this board said that we needed a run-stopping DE in this draft. NOBODY. Every wr on this team will be in an initial learning stage this year so that point to me is invalid.You need to check your angry ignorance at the door. If your assertions are accurate, why were many here advoacting the addition of Phillip Merling? Even by your own admission(in an earlier post), weren't we all over Calais Campbell? You are now actually negating your own arguments. Quit while you are only marginally behind.

[elkabong82]

Okay Front Office Guru, are you saying that we absolutely can't afford it? If so I back off, my comprehension abiliy is just fine, I just haven't broken into Redskin Park and rifled through all contracts and did all the trade scenarios so I would be the most intelligent unemployed NFL front office man in America. Last I checked NOBODY on this board said that we needed a run-stopping DE in this draft. NOBODY. Every wr on this team will be in an initial learning stage this year so that point to me is invalid.

D Day already gave you a rough estimate of 4-5 million, and he is one the more knowledgeable people on here when it comes to the cap. But you are basically admitting that you started this argument without gathering all your information first. Regardless of your over-the-top scenario, if you're going to make an argument for trading a player, you should at least be aware of his contract, something that has a MAJOR affect on trades.

[Califan007]

Please tell me you're being sarcastic about Mix.

Tall does not equal good.

He's a special teamer, period.
LoL...No, not being serious about MIX. Just poking fun at how so many ES members include him in discussions about our wr unit and how good it will be. And it's mostly because of how tall he is lol...

Oh, and everyone keeps putting his name in all-caps :laugh:...

[81tothehall]

If I'm so far off? If I know so little about football and I am really unrealistice about how teams win football games I would like everybody to do a little survey and honestly ask yourself if you think that ARE + 3rd round draft pick is greater in value than Jason Taylor coming off the edge. Seriously.

[Califan007]

If I'm so far off? If I know so little about football and I am really unrealistice about how teams win football games I would like everybody to do a little survey and honestly ask yourself if you think that ARE + 3rd round draft pick is greater in value than Jason Taylor coming off the edge. Seriously.
Oh, god, yes...by a HUGE margin. That 3rd round pick could very realistically end up being a starter with big impact on the team. Or did you forget that we got both Dockery and Cooley in the 3rd. Give me 5-10 years Dockery and ARE or Cooley and ARE over two years of Taylor every single freakin' time.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

LoL...No, not being serious about MIX. Just poking fun at how so many ES members include him in discussions about our wr unit and how good it will be. And it's mostly because of how tall he is lol...

Oh, and everyone keeps putting his name in all-caps :laugh:...

Whew thats a relief, I was thinking dang how do you get to 10k posts and still be that clueless?

:laugh:

[CM916]

Is this the new annoying trade for the year like Portis/Betts was last year and heading into the offseason? :doh: It's an even more ridiculous concept as you can't even say "well, we have Cartwright and Mason." Moss is awesome but has had issues with drops and health the last two years. Thrash is still a solid depth guy for his age but probably doesn't have the endurance to start all season if needed. After that if you trade Randel El, what do we have? Mix is probably the new Thrash if he sticks around for a few years and after that all I see is some promissing but 100% completely unproven rookies.

[81tothehall]

5-10 years of Dockery and Cooley haven't provided a Super Bowl.

[moondog]

Are you crazy? These other two guys make him MORE important because now it allows him to switch to slot receiver which is his strong suit anyway. Think in the mold of Wes Welker. What about injury to Santana? Randle El is a good receiver and will stay and should stay. In a few years, yes, he may be out of here, but as of now he is a great guy on the field and in the locker room and is still very much a needed commodity. Nothing says that any of these guys will pan out and Randle El is a good receiver when utilized....remember Detroit game? What about the Miami game to start the year? Yeah, that hail mary inflated his statline a bit. But that doesn't take away the fact that he had plenty of 5+ catch games and a lot of huge clutch catches for us that led to wins or kept us in games that we should have one if it weren't for a costly interception here or something there. We need him.

[Califan007]

5-10 years of Dockery and Cooley haven't provided a Super Bowl.
How many Super Bowls has Taylor provided for Miami?

[Lloyds' Mongolian Beef]

5-10 years of Dockery and Cooley haven't provided a Super Bowl.When was the last time Taylor was in the playoffs? Not the Super Bowl, the playoffs.

[81tothehall]

When did we bring in a Patriot offensive coordinator? Think more Bobby Engram, he was a Seahawk. And truth be told I can't really count clutch catches in games we almost won, because we LOST.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

Fact is, he's not very good.

He won't generate much interest trade-wise and he's a cap hit.

Jason Taylor is old, the Redskins need to stop picking up old guys who are past their prime. He'll want a big salary.

This thread is poor.

[Califan007]

Fact is, he's not very good.

He won't generate much interest trade-wise and he's a cap hit.

Jason Taylor is old, the Redskins need to stop picking up old guys who are past their prime. He'll want a big salary.

This thread is poor.
MIX is tall.

[DarrellsMyHero28]

MIX is tall.


Oh he is?

I hadn't heard.

He's a Hall of Famer for sure.

:laugh:

[Califan007]

Oh he is?

I hadn't heard.

He's a Hall of Famer for sure.

:laugh:
Not too many people know that about him :laugh:...

[Chris Worthy]

ARE in the slot is money in the WCO. Besides they will probaly re-do his contract when its necessary to keep him. EL is a good person, great locker room guy and knows how to play football. I can see him taking the Rookies under his wing.

[Califan007]

ARE in the slot is money in the WCO. Besides they will probaly re-do his contract when its necessary to keep him. EL is a good person, great locker room guy and knows how to play football. I can see him taking the Rookies under his wing.
ARE seems like a fantastic team mate and a great influence for younger players. Cowher praised his field and locker room leadership to the hilt when he signed with us, and said it would be difficult to replace.

[Emoshag]

Granted, Randle El is probably slightly overpaid, but thats also a knock against the Redskins for overpaying. Remember, he is also a return specialist and a outworldly high character type of guy.

He should have never been a #1 or #2. He is prototypical for the slot. And Santana Moss should have never been a #1. Reggie Wayne of the Colts is an absolute beast, but he was the #2 to Marvin Harrison for years, despite probably having better tangibles.

Moss can cut a defense apart, but he has a hard time breaking up double teams and cover 2s with a safety keying on his side of the field. Put him at 2 running the sluggos, posts, and 9s and a bigger (Kelly, Thomas, Mix) guy running the #1 options and giving them the slants, bubbles, hitches and curls and all the sudden Moss is a real threat again.

And for the West Coast running game (passing) you put 2 tight end sets with Chaos and Davis and split Moss, Thomas and Kelly out there..... thats arguably the most talented (albeit raw) receiving corp in football.

And I LOVE that they are going to develop Colt Brennan.....

[skinsn24]

Taylor only has 1-2 years left. Our rookie WRs will not be ready to surpass ARE by the start of the season.

ARE outplayed moss this year. This idea is silly at best

[ashsra]

Pretty much a given that either Moss or Randle-El will be gone by the 2009 season as long as at least 1 of these guys pans out this year. Not to mention some of our draft picks project as potential punt returners, I figure Randle-El will be gone after this season unless he puts up some gaudy numbers. I think it's a good thing, it'll motivate Moss and Randle-El to play more consistently with the young studs behind them.

[81tothehall]

My last post: When did the 3rd wr in the slot become the most important guy in the west coast offense? Did you guys watch football in the 80's? I can't even remember who the "slot" wr was for the 49ers. I remember Jerry Rice going in motion and ending up in the slot. I don't remember any of the Eagles "slot" wr's destroying the league. In fact most of the time in the WCO I believe the primary option after the 1st two wr's is usually a te. In fact, I would say that the reason we drafted a 2nd te so early is that we will be running a lot more 2 te sets. I also have listened to our new coach and truth be told he seems to be a whole lot more interested in getting the ball more to Portis than trying to feed the slot. I would suggest that some of you "football" guys check out some players named Roger Craig, Brian Westbrook, Brent Jones, Mark Chmura, Jerry Rice, Sterling Sharpe, and Terrell Owens. Look at the Eagles, 49ers, and the Packer teams of the past and let me know who the great slot wr's were. I bet if you look closely on the defensive side of the ball with those teams you will see some special pass rushers. That's it for me.

[TomE]

ARE in the slot.. is a good person, great locker room guy and knows how to play football.
Bullseye..

and MIX is tall :)

[.THEkid.]

bad idea.

we're not great on the D-Line. but we sure are solid enough to compete next year. this year we drafted what our offense need desperately (WRs taller than 6ft) Next year we draft what we need desperately. (D-Line)

Our Defense competed last year and kept us in games. Offense just couldnt cut it. Realistically speaking. If our D can perform the same it did last year. And our New Offense including our new system and upgraded weapons. We can now score points and our D can finally appreciate our offense.

Here is to a great season :cheers:

[cjbrown]

Good idea. As soon as it looks like we may have an awsome wide receiving corp, lets get rid of one of our starters and put in a rookie.

Don't think so.

[stevemcqueen1]

Bad idea. The cap hit, even after June 1st would be too great. As well, he hasn't had an opportunity to be a slot receiver in a WCO, something he should excel at. He is a high character veteran. We need him to mentor the youth. Perhaps NEXT offseason if he doesn't fit into our new scheme, but absolutely no way this offseason.

Agreed, trading Randle El would make the team super green in the receiving corps. These young guys were second round picks not because they didn't have the talent to be taken in the first round, but because they have to be brought along for a little while before they can be solid contributors. Unless they prove that they can start during the season, they need to be kept in marginal roles until they are ready. Randle El is still needed to start while the new guys learn.

But he shouldn't be returning punts any more.

[Blackest Eyes]

Yeah I dont think trading Randle El is all that smart. He was more consistent than Moss this past year. In all honesty, when I saw that we drafted Kelly, I thought to myself it was insurance if Santana got hurt again or did not perform well. If he got injured again or has a poor season, I would not be surprised for him to be traded.

[turbodiesel#44]

I would love to package ARE and a 3rd round pick next year to Miami for Jason Taylor.I would do that in a heartbeat, but I think Parcells will want more.

[Califan007]

Bullseye..

and MIX is tall :)
Isn't he?!? MIX!!

[WigSkin]

I think my man Antwaan will have a great season this year! Especially with an attack minded coach at the helm. Also given the fact that Campbell will need to produce this year its important to have a mix of consistency at WR as well as some new targets to throw to (the taller the better as we all know JC likes to throw it slightly high on occassion!) ;)


Could have the making of an exciting offense here! :cool:

[ST is my boy]

Nah we need Randle El this year....while the rookies develop...after this year though....hes gotta go....makes too much money.

[Jesus, Mary & Joe Gibbs]

I'm for getting rid of Randle El if it helps our cap situation...

[jujuskinsfan]

we can't get rid of ARE, since he's the only valuable WR with Moss on this team. Okay, we drafted two of the best WRs available and the best TE, but they are rookies with no NFL experience. They need to develop, trading ARE would be very stupid.

[hobbie8046]

Randle El is a very good slot guy, and if Thomas or Kelly work out we can move him there where he is best suited.

Jason Taylor is too old to trade away that much for. I would give a 3rd and nothing else, which the Dolphins would turn down. I would then move on with my life.

[twobags95]

You are crazy! We are a playoff team!

[HSW]

Crazy talk...anyone who watched the skins play last year know that he
is our most clutch WR. :doh:

[Abshir]

I have to say I agree, we can leverage Randle El, but not for Taylor, only way I would like to see Taylor as a skin is if he takes the league minimum or close to it. Lets jettison randle el now for some more first round picks next year.

[SKINSPHAN41]

vince hall signed with the rams and erin henderson signed with the vikings

[MartinC]

I'm for getting rid of Randle El if it helps our cap situation...

I would assume there would be a dead cap charge for trading ARE of about the same we took to cut Lloyd as they signed very similar deals - thats just over $5M. So no trading him would not help our cap position.

Aside from that from a football point of view ARE is one of the best slot receivers in the NFL and great team guy. I would not want to trade him straight up for Jason Taylor at 33 let alone with a 3rd round pick attached.

Even if the Dolphins cut Taylor - which they are not about to do - I would not want to sign him based on what I assume he would want to be paid plus he is basically a slightly better but older version of Carter who was our best D'lineman last season.

[MartinC]

I have to say I agree, we can leverage Randle El, but not for Taylor, only way I would like to see Taylor as a skin is if he takes the league minimum or close to it. Lets jettison randle el now for some more first round picks next year.

1. Who do you have in mind to get a 1st round pick for ARE from? I have some real estate on Mars I'm trying to move .....

2. Even if we did find someone that stupid - Matt Millen? - you have to consider the cap hit we take to trade him plus what we have to pay out to the player we sign in his place. Its over $5M as a cap hit to trade him then God knows what for the new player.
3. What if both new receivers turn out to be busts (God forbid but it could happen) - whats plan B?

Trading ARE makes no sense from either a football or cap perspective.

[dizzinator53]

Jason Taylor and Andre Carter = 200 yards a game rushing AGAINST us

Carter was great in Run Support last year. Montgomerie is really solid in the middle.... plus London Fletcher! You are misinformed or don't watch the games.

[edgun88]

Honestly, I really wouldn't care if ARE left. He really hasn't had much of an impact here as we thought he would have. I don't think we would be missing much. But then again, it would leave a big hole at WR, so maybe it isn't such a good idea.

Maybe next year?

[TD_washingtonredskins]

I love Randel El too, but if these young WRs that were just drafted are the real deal, he may be out of a job with the Skins in time....

If Colt doesn't pan out ARE can be our #3 QB!

[CGB Spender]

I would love to package ARE and a 3rd round pick next year to Miami for Jason Taylor. We now have kick returners and arguably more talented wr's. When was the last time anybody saw Seattle run a gadget play? I think that if we could pull this trade or something similar and bring in Vince Hall and Erin Henderson as Undrafted Free Agents we might just possibly be looking at a Super Bowl run.

At this point (after the draft) I'd have to agree. With Jerome Mathis and Cartwright taking Kickoffs and no more gadget plays coupled with 2 WR's in the draft (top prospects at that) we really don't have need for him. Don't get me wrong, I like Randle-El but, his days here are done really.

[SkinSabbath]

I think we can wait until the season starts, and if Chad Johnson REALLY holds out and doesn't play, then we try and pull the trigger, trade them Randel El and a pick next year..

[chris_c_19960]

NO Not ARE I just gotthe Jersey last Season Lets see how these boys do at first b4 we do any of trade for JT go younger not older and ton of money unless we go for CJ in june when the can spread his cap over 2 years !

[Donita35]

I don't think the draft had anything to do with ARE but everything to do with a lack of confidence in Moss.


BINGO! Truth be told, ARE is our only reliable receiver. Moss, let's face it, hasn't wowed us since 2005. This is not to say that he can't, but the fact remains he hasn't. Why should be trade when we are finally looking ok at the receiver position? Keep them all, well Trash and Mix are probably the odd men out, but Moss and ARE stay for now. These drafts picks are intriguing but that's it. They have to still prove themselves. :2cents:

[walker77]

I'm all for trading randel el as long as we acquire Johnson, Boldin or Williams to fill that gap. I dont know if these new WR's we have are ready to start. They need to learn from another top end receiver.

[Donita35]

Man you guys are some fair weather fans for real. Yeah trade our most productive receiver. Sheesh! Plus, Campbell seems more in tuned with ARE than Moss. Don't let the raw talent we drafted go to your heads. :)

[Doctorfro]

I always think of Randle-el as our emergency QB as well. Don't want to see him gone.